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Democrats Are Willing to Sacrifice Elections to Pass Health Care Reform

I saw Andy McCarthy on Sean Hannity's Great American Panel last night where he said that the Democrats are such true believers in their radically left, big government agenda that they are willing to sacrifice seats this November and in 2012 if that is what it would take to pass their health care reform. He fleshed out his comments from last night in a post at The Corner:

I think our side is analyzing this all wrong: Today's Democrats are controlled by the radical Left, and it is more important to them to execute the permanent transformation of American society than it is to win the upcoming election cycles. They have already factored in losing in November -- even losing big. For them, winning big now outweighs that. I think they're right.

I hear Republicans getting giddy over the fact that "reconciliation," if it comes to that, is a huge political loser. That's the wrong way to look at it. The Democratic leadership has already internalized the inevitablility of taking its political lumps. That makes reconciliation truly scary. Since the Dems know they will have to ram this monstrosity through, they figure it might as well be as monstrous as they can get wavering Democrats to go along with. Clipping the leadership's statist ambitions in order to peel off a few Republicans is not going to work. I'm glad Republicans have held firm, but let's not be under any illusions about what that means. In the Democrat leadership, we are not dealing with conventional politicians for whom the goal of being reelected is paramount and will rein in their radicalism. They want socialized medicine and all it entails about government control even more than they want to win elections. After all, if the party of government transforms the relationship between the citizen and the state, its power over our lives will be vast even in those cycles when it is not in the majority. This is about power, and there is more to power than winning elections, especially if you've calculated that your opposition does not have the gumption to dismantle your ballooning welfare state.

Consequently, the next six weeks, like the next ten months, are going to be worse than we think. We're wired to think that everyone plays by the ususal rules of politics -- i.e., if the tide starts to change, the side against whom it has turned modifies its positions in order to stay viable in the next election. But what will happen here will be the opposite. You have a party with the numbers to do anything it puts its mind to, led by movement Leftitsts who see their window of opportunity is closing. We seem to expect them to moderate because that's what everybody in their position does. But they won't. They will put their heads down and go for as much transformation as they can get, figuring that once they get it, it will never be rolled back. The only question is whether there are enough Democrats who are conventional politicians and who care about being reelected, such that they will deny the leadership the numbers it needs. But I don't think we should take much heart in this possibility. Those Democrats may well come to think they are going to lose anyway -- that's why so many of them are abandoning ship now. If that's the case, their incentive will be to vote with the leadership.

You might be thinking, "how can Nancy, Harry, and Barack get Democrats to sacrifice their political power for this?" I suspect there is a lot deal making going on. If the Democrats and Obama can get their monstrous bill passed, it will have many, many new bureaucracies that will need to be supervised and staffed with pro-big government loyalists. President Obama could easily promise any reluctant Democrats positions in these massive, bureaucracies, which would give them vast power to completely reshape every aspect of American life. They will get to sit on the "death panels" and decide what diseases and disorders get treated and when. They can decide who will get covered and when. You smoke? Well, you'll have to quit or no health care for you. You're 50 pounds overweight? You have to lose that weight or your knee or hip replacement won't be covered. You drive an environmentally un-friendly SUV? Your policy premiums will be higher because your vehicle contributes to global warming and is a menace to all the micro-cars on the roads.

In addition to this, since those who sacrificed their seats will still have positions within the ever-expanding government, they will still get their health care from the government's separate and superior insurance policies, which will be exempt from any and all new reforms that will be forced onto the American people.

Yes, I'm sure there are a lot of backroom deals going on to buy off the votes of nervous Democrats. And if Obama, Pelosi, and Reid manage to make their deals and secure the votes necessary for reconciliation, the American people will turn to the Republicans for help, and they had better have the iron-clad resolve to rescind the entire bill.


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Well, I can't complain abou... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Well, I can't complain about any politician willing to forgo a life-long career in politics. On the other hand, I am worried that the leftists willing to lose in November will look to get jobs writing history books to record for posterity what an historic time it was when they tipped the United States irrevocably into serfdom.

"They want socialized medic... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"They want socialized medicine" and do not give a damn who or what they have to sacrifice to get it.

They have made the political calculation and the one's that will be gone come this November's elections will be the "Conservative Democrats", not the died in the wool socialists and out right communists (and yes they are) who are in politically 'safe' districts that have been gerrymandered to make them impossible to remove.

Cases in point, Maxine Waters, arguably one of the stupidest members of Congress. Perhaps you think that Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charlie Rangel can be retired? Sure, and snowballs can be seen in hell.

No, the Democrat leadership will command fewer troops but they will also be the one's that have been in Congress for decades and are not likely to ever see a challenge.

Then again, it remains to be seen just how white hot the electorates anger will get, forcing enough votes to the other side of the equation to totally rescind their efforts and possibly even dismantle programs that are sacred cows to reduce the Federal Government's debt burden.

Should be interesting - </p... (Below threshold)
apb:

Should be interesting -

Remember, this POS 'law' starts collecting added taxes right away, but does nothing of substance for years.

If this POS is passed, the proles will rebel and croak the dem majority. Fiscal conservatives will be elected, and rescind this mess; the Jug-Eared Douche will veto it of course. If Congress can't overturn JE Douche's veto, it will almost guarantee the Douche is tossed to the ash heap for 2013...

I doubt that very many dems... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I doubt that very many dems are dim enough to take a political appointment in the bureaucracy that is likely to last only 2 years in exchange for a vote that would destroy any hope of elected office for the rest of their lives.

The dems are already saying that they are 15 votes short of passage in the House. That is without pressure from the public and constituents ringing their phones off the hooks with complaints.

I think that this is another example of Barry miscalculating. He miscalculated originally by telling the GOP "I Won" and refusing to take any bipartisan input. He then miscalculated by trying to force through a bill that violated every promise he made during the campaign from transparency in negotiations to having it available to the public before the vote to allowing people to keep their doctors.

Now he is miscalculating that he still has enough political capital (and that Pelosi and Reid do as well) to force this through when it means losing both the House and Senate in November. They may very well lose both anyway at this point, but which congressmen and Senators want to put themselves forward as the sacrificial lambs?

Which democrat wants to be the last politician to lose his career for a bad bill? (to paraphrase the dems)

And now with the Congressional Black Caucus going after MSNBC there may not be as much MSM support as there used to be.

McCarthy is EXACTLY RIGHT!!... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

McCarthy is EXACTLY RIGHT!! The left will gladly sacrifice dozens of seats--even majorities--for the authoritarian power and control it will gain over the lives of 300 million people. This is a no brainer! Yet far too many STILL either believe it impossible that an "American" president could possibly be a fascist and traitor, or actually think Husseincare really has something to do with health or care! People that stupid/gullible should NOT be in politics--at least not on the US side!!

it's social security. it's... (Below threshold)

it's social security. it's medicare. it's that one step closer to a permanent* majority of those living off the fruits of others' labor. of course it's worth it to them. they only need a couple more percentage points of zero-taxers and they're there and the GOP will never have the guts to change it.

*until it all crashes down around their ears and the nation dissolves or whatever, that is

If this mess eventually pas... (Below threshold)
Saterp:

If this mess eventually passes and is made law, can't a Republican Congress simply refuse to appropriate any funds for the departments it creates? I know it would be difficult to actually rescind, at least until Pubs control the Presidency too, but no one can force Congress to appropriate funds for the 'children of the monster', I think...

bryanD,Based on your... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

bryanD,
Based on your post, do you think it's unfair (or an outright lie) that the left likes to characterize Republicans as the lapdogs of big business/big finance?

bryanD makes sense to me. O... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

bryanD makes sense to me. Of course, I started drinking Cutty Sark earlier than usual today.

True, the end of a politica... (Below threshold)
jim m:

True, the end of a political career is not necessarily the end of influence, but that really applies best to politicians who have been in DC for a length of time. There are a lot of dems in congress that were swept into office in 2008 and will be swept back out by Obama's blundering.

It's these guys who the dems are asking to sacrifice everything. These are not men who are going to get the plum positions with major corporations. They are going to get stuck in political limbo, too little time in office to have enough connections to make an impact after it and having been to DC local or state positions will look like a big come down and they will look to the electorate as failures.

I'm betting that a lot of them are smart enough to know this and that many are going to be willing to throw Obama under his own bus so they can claim that they heard their constituents and voted against health care.

After last Thursday I would be surprised if the number of congressmen that need to be bought off isn't going up rather than down.

While Barry and Nancy may a... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

While Barry and Nancy may approach politics from the point of view and fervor of a religion, I don't think they've thought about or choose to ignore the repercussions. Parts of their health care law are going to be tied up in court. Especially anything connected with mandatory coverage. I can imagine that will have an impact on providing coverage for those for pre-existing conditions. They won't be able to plead that tax collections are immediately necessary, since the benefits are backloaded, not up front. There is also the extreme danger that the Democratic brand might be so damaged as to throw them into the political wilderness for 40 years. Americans might well elect conservatives with a MANDATE to kill ObamaCare. What will the Democrats have gained then?

Right now, it doesn't appear that Obama, Nancy or Harry are doing any real thinking. If 'reconciliation' is implemented, it's going to be NASTY. Barry will get NO other legislation out of the Senate.

"Democrats Are Willing to S... (Below threshold)
kevino:

"Democrats Are Willing to Sacrifice Elections to Pass Health Care Reform"

It works for me. I applaud their dedication and their courage, and I will enjoy grinding them into powder in 2010, 2012, and in the elections to come. If the radical Left has taken over the party that thoroughly, then the Democrats - as a party - will be humiliated at the polls for generations to come.

And they will have sacrificed themselves for nothing. Saterp is correct: the simplest way to undo this mess is for the new GOP congress to use the budget process to kill the implementation of healthcare reform. And then trash the entire business after the 2012 elections.

Go ahead. Make my day.

"Democrats Are Willing to S... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Democrats Are Willing to Sacrifice Elections to Pass Health Care Reform"

My bet is that they get the worst of both worlds: Lose on health care AND lose big in November.

The real question is this: If Obama loses on health care this year and then the dems lose big in November, does he continue to double down time and again on health care?

My guess is yes. Just like he is losing on Cap and Trade so the EPA is going forward with proposals that will regulate the local Burger King like a coal fired power plant (don't laugh it's not an exaggeration, a restaurant with gas burners emits more than 100tons of CO2 annually and there are 6 million businesses that the EPA will potentially require to get operating licenses to keep their doors open); I'm betting he looks to other agencies to regulate the same outcomes in health care, bypassing congress.

Kim writes: "They can decid... (Below threshold)
Highlander:

Kim writes: "They can decide who will get covered and when."

As opposed to insurance companies deciding who will get covered and when???

Kim writes: "You're 50 pounds overweight? You have to lose that weight or your knee or hip replacement won't be covered."

Kim, it's the insurance companies and the Republicans, not the Democrats, who want to exclude those with pre-existing conditions from coverage (as well as exclude the poor).

Could one of you Republicans out there please explain why you people love the insurance companies so damn much?????

Kim asks, "You drive an environmentally un-friendly SUV?"

Uh, no Kim, I don't, but I suspect that you and others like you do, given that Republicans don't give a damn about air pollution, and the filth their vehicles belch into the air for others to inhale.

"Kim, it's the insurance co... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Kim, it's the insurance companies and the Republicans, not the Democrats, who want to exclude those with pre-existing conditions from coverage (as well as exclude the poor)."

I take it that you're not concerned WITH FACTS, or that you did not take the time to see the televised "Summit" the other day when the Republicans addressed this very issue.

You would also have learned that the current Democratic plan is fiscally unsustainable. But what the hell, those are only FACTS.

Highlander,What Ki... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Highlander,

What Kim alludes to is already happening in Europe and Canada under your sacred government run health care systems.

It's not that insurance companies are so precious, it's that socialized medicine is such a failure.

My company offers insurance that has no exclusions for pre-existing conditions so to sit there and arrogantly claim that insurance companies are evil and always forbid such things is wrong. They simply need to be able to spread their risk widely enough.

The problem with pre-existing conditions is that they tend to mean higher costs in the long run and therefore higher premiums. Insurance companies needing to compete and not being able to control costs means that they will need to charge higher premiums.

How do you think the governments do this? they are saying that hey will pay for everything for everyone. The answer is that they make you wait. In Canada the wait for an MRI can approach 6 months. The wait for cancer surgery can be over 6 months.

You want cost reduction? In Canada 80% of colon cancer patients are considered treatable when they are diagnosed. After waiting to start chemotherapy only 40% are considered treatable.

There you have it. Canada reduced their cost to treat colon cancer by 50%. Care for that? Go flip a coin. Heads you get treated, tails you die waiting.

There is a reason Canadians have sued their government for violating their rights to access to health care guaranteed in their constitution. There is a reason why the Supreme Court in Quebec found for the plaintiff.

No, insurance companies are not warm and cuddly, but government is far, far worse.

What am I missing. <... (Below threshold)
Mike Giles:

What am I missing.

The Dems passing this bill, is like Japanese kamikazes at the end of the war. Sure, you kill some Americans; but in the end, it was all for nothing.

After the Dems collectively slash their wrists, what keeps the GOP from making it all go away? This isn't something like Social Security or Medicare, which the public wanted. This is something the public hates. And considering the taxes come long before the benefits, this doesn't even have a chance to build an entitlement constituency.

Have the leftists become so delusional, that they no longer recognize reality at all or is this just more of their belief that they can make reality conform to their fantasies?

Some democrats might see th... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Some democrats might see the group as willing to sacrifice anything to to achieve socialized medicine. It likely means they are willing to sacrifice other democrats political careers, not their own. The message has to be taken individually by the voters in each district and state that to vote for this means they do not get re-elected. Safety in numbers makes you feel good until you realize that you as an individual will die.

".....it's the insurance co... (Below threshold)
Mike Giles:

".....it's the insurance companies and the Republicans, not the Democrats, who want to exclude those with pre-existing conditions from coverage (as well as exclude the poor)....."

Insurance companies will cover ANYTHING if you're willing to pay the premiums. When people complain about pre-existing conditions, they're normally complaining about insurance companies being unwilling to cover people with those conditions at the same rates as the healthy.

I see nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't expect my auto insurance company to cover me at the regular rates after my third accident - this week. Or if I lived in a neighborhood where auto theft was a way of life, and I park on the street.

Mike,2 things:... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Mike,

2 things:

First Obama is a delusional ideologue. He clearly believes his own hype. He believes that his much vaunted speaking abilities will be able to mesmerize all who pass within earshot. That is why he held the epic failure of a health care summit Thursday. He expected his charisma to carry the day. News that the spell has broken hasn't reach the peak of Mount Olympus yet.

Second, there are those like Pelosi that believe that if they can only get this monstrosity passed that it will change the base line for politics for generations to come. She and her ilk believe that once they can create the entitlement then future elections will be about how to make it better/fix the government program. They do not expect that anyone will turn around and repeal it. However that is exactly what the GOP will do if it is passed. It will become a rallying cry for opposition until 2012 and the GOP will crush whatever dem defeats Obama in the primary.

As has been pointed out, unlike its predecessors, Social Security and Welfare, Health Care is extremely unpopular. Even a majority of the uninsured are against it.

I'm with jim m above. Misca... (Below threshold)
soozer:

I'm with jim m above. Miscalculations pure and simple. The dems are tone deaf. They keep telling us "the American people want it"---NO, what part of NO do you not understand? They read polls and still say/think "The little people just DO NOT understand. We are doing it for THEM." No, miscalculation and stupidity.

The only things the dems ne... (Below threshold)
retired military:

The only things the dems need on top of health care is a major terrorist attack on US soil.

That would put them in the minority for at least 5-10 years and expose the terrorists as someone who doesnt care if you kiss their ass or not they will still attack you. Of course why attack now when they are getting everything they want (the downfall of the US) now without using any resources.

"I saw Andy McCarthy on ... (Below threshold)
Seth:

"I saw Andy McCarthy on Sean Hannity's Great American Panel last night where he said that the Democrats are such true believers in their radically left, big government agenda that they are willing to sacrifice seats this November and in 2012 if that is what it would take to pass their health care reform. "

Isn't that another way of saying they aren't as interested in getting their sorry asses re-elected?

Isn't THAT another way of saying they are more interested in getting the job done that they came to do - rather than get re-elected?

Politicians more interested in results than in their own re-election? When was that ever a bad thing?

Seems like the right thing to do - for a change. You just aren't used to it.

Of course why attack now... (Below threshold)
Speller:

Of course why attack now when they are getting everything they want (the downfall of the US) now without using any resources.
~retired military

Why would they still attack if, in principle, they are getting what they want without using any resources?

Because what they want is just as partisan as what the Democrats want.
To be King of the Hill amongst their own kind.

It's about getting to rule the Ummah.
It has to be remembered that the only prophesy of Islam is that Islam will one day rule the world.
The Islamic leadership chair, the Caliphate, is achieved through the game of musical chairs and the one who brings down the "Great Satan" gets to sit in Satan's chair.

The Muslim faithful even have a yearly "Stone Satan" event at the Hajj in Mecca.

Whose stone will it be?

The question remains:
Will bringing down "the Great Satan" be done through terrorist attacks from small Islamic cells or will the 13th Imam emerge from the well when Shiite Iran rains nuclear death down on Israel or an American city?

The question of doing things incrementally is embraced by some Muslim leaders, but it needs to be recognized that there are a lot of Muslims who embrace the Jihad for the purpose of individual martyrdom because that's is what is required to get their 72 virgins and they are all willing to cast their stones to that end.

Back to the Democrats and their willingness to sacrifice re-election to achieve long term goals.

Why does the 2nd Amendment exist?

Is not being re-elected the worst that Democrat tyrants have to fear when flaunting the will of the people?

I should hope not.

Do Americans want to gamble that this time flaunting the will of the people is reversible?
How about that Democrat controlled Supreme Court?

How about the next socialist kick at the bucket?

Surrender is not in the Dem... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Surrender is not in the Democrat playbook.

So what if the Dems run ove... (Below threshold)
Michael G. Gallagher:

So what if the Dems run over the political cliff with health care (or any other legislation, for that matter)? If their polices are truly as unpopluar and disastrous as they seem to be, just advocate massive civil disobedience. It worked during the Vietnam War (wrongly) and for the civil rights movement (correctly) during the 1950s and early 1960s. If a million people refuse to buy the mandated insurance, it will become an enforcement nightmare for the IRS. If that happens Obambicare will break down very quickly.

If the Dems force Obambicare through with reconciliation, the Senate Republicans should simply walk out en masse at the start of the vote. Images of a nearly half-empty senate chamber on C-SPAN, Youtube, FOX News, and yes, even MSBC and CNN, would send a very powerful message about how isolated from the majority of the American people the lefties really are.

Finally, if the Republicans do manage to retake the White House in 2012, one of the first things the new president should do is declare Obambicare "morally invalid" and let it be known that if anybody cares to ignore its provisions the new administration will look the other way.

There will be hope after reconciliation.

Mike Gallagher,
Seoul, South Korea

the American people will... (Below threshold)
MjM:

the American people will turn to the Republicans for help, and they had better have the iron-clad resolve to rescind the entire bill.

The problem with this wishful thinking is that a new congress cannot rescind a bill already signed into law by a president. At that point said law can only be taken off the books by new legislation... and for 2011,2012 you would have to have a super majority to override a presidential veto.

That is why it is of the utmost importance to fight this HorrorCare NOW.

Reid realizes that he's lik... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Reid realizes that he's likely going to lose regardless.

Pelosi is safe regardless.

And Obama WON so gets to do whatever he damn well pleases if ever would simply shut the hell up.

The demacratic lemmings are... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

The demacratic lemmings are marching off the cliff to their own doom




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