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The Slaughter solution

This, if true, crosses the line:

The twisted scheme by which Democratic leaders plan to bend the rules to ram President Obama's massive health care legislation through Congress now has a name: the Slaughter Solution.

The Slaughter Solution is a plan by Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-NY), the Democratic chair of the powerful House Rules Committee and a key ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), to get the health care legislation through the House without an actual vote on the Senate-passed health care bill.  You see, Democratic leaders currently lack the votes needed to pass the Senate health care bill through the House.  Under Slaughter's scheme, Democratic leaders will overcome this problem by simply "deeming" the Senate bill passed in the House - without an actual vote by members of the House.

We are reaching a point, some might argue that we've already passed it, that would suggest that it's time to take our country back... by any and all means...

Blood has been shed over less.

We live in precipitous times.

H/T to Kim Priestap via email.

Crossposted(*).


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All this says is desperatio... (Below threshold)
Michael:

All this says is desperation. They don't have the votes and this idiocy will vanish in a few days after some sensible Dimo(are there any?) will point out to this moron Slaughter that what she is devising is not legal.

>> Blood has been shed over... (Below threshold)
Paul:

>> Blood has been shed over less

Seriously? Are you advocating hurting people? Or is the argument "some dude got mugged over $10, so yeah, blood has been shed over less."
Look, I'm all for citizens maintaining control over their government, but let's not get all nutjobby.

by any and all means...... (Below threshold)

by any and all means...

wow, despite keeping up with all this as much as I have, I can't believe I'll still need a little more time for that. I hate being unprepared.

Paul -Are you sugg... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Paul -

Are you suggesting that possibly passing something that'll affect 1/6th of the US economy WITHOUT voting on it is something we should just go "Dang - we'll have to watch them closer next time!" and accept it peacefully?

It's hard to believe the folks in Washington don't already have a good idea about how people in this country are thinking about them - Ghu knows they're doing polls about this, that, and the other thing and getting results which - in a rational mindset - would lead them to reconsider whether they SHOULD be sticking their hands into a live fuse box and grabbing all that shiny copper.

But this - they're climbing up a high-tension tower with a ground strap solidly on their ankles and shouting "Hey y'all! Watch this!" as they prepare to leap off and grab a 50kv line with both hands.

It is going to be SPECTACULAR - and not in the way they're expecting.

Paul,what do you t... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Paul,

what do you think will happen if a million Americans march on DC and shut it down ? Do you think the police won't be called out to clear the streets after a day or 2 ?

I will guarentee that protesters will be injured and bloodied ...

blood will be shed but in the cause of freedom ...

nobody is saying shed their blood, we need to be prepared to shed our own blood to stop this madness ...

Paul,just to clari... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

Paul,

just to clarify it for you ...

The tree of liberty is not refreshed with the blood of our enemies ... but with our blood ...

Previous marches on DC in t... (Below threshold)
epador:

Previous marches on DC in the past (Veterans come to mind) ended with bloody force to disperse the protestors. Read your history, Paul.

Look, I'm all for ... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
Look, I'm all for citizens maintaining control over their government, but let's not get all nutjobby.
This, of course, begs the question of where, exactly, the line is for getting "all nutjobby" about.

A lot of people are "all nutjobby" about that Constitution thingy. The Dems appear to be willing to discard it. A lot of people have died defending it. That's pretty "nutjobby" ain't it?

If true it is grounds for i... (Below threshold)
Erick:

If true it is grounds for impeachment of Obama and Biden

Erick, are you crazy? You k... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

Erick, are you crazy? You know who is next? Palosi.
Forget impeachment, even if the house passes i there is no way the senate will have 67 votes for conviction.
As to taking back the country, I have already made up my mind what to do.

keep this in mindA... (Below threshold)
rain of lead:

keep this in mind

And unlike other Unconstitutional things Congress does, there's caselaw here suggesting pretty clearly that when Congress attempts to pass a law in the absence of proper bicameralism and presentment, a person negatively affected by Congress's action (e.g., a person required to pay a fine for not having health insurance) has standing to challenge the law's validity in the Courts. This farce is illegal and unconstitutional on its face, and someone has to be advising the Democrats in the House of this fact. They already know the American people don't want this bill. They know by now that what they're trying to do is illegal. The question now is whether they still have the shame to care about either

Paul,I think your te... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Paul,
I think your term nutjobby is misused. Think about it. About a year ago we had a trillion dollar economic rescue legislation passed which needed to be done immediately or the economy would crash. Well only about 30% of those funds have been spent and it seems that Obama is not really losing any sleep over the stagnant economy. Now, we need to enact legislation to reform healthcare or else another disaster will occur. Consider they have been screwing with our heads on this for, what, almost a year and still no disaster has occurred. To top it off this plan will (as I understand it although Pelosi says they have to actually pass it for us to know what's in it) require us to begin to pay into it several years before the reform program itself is actually enacted. Does this make sense to you? This particular piece of legislation is so unpopular they are now trying to figure out how to pass it without actually voting on it. So Paul, what do you think? Aren't you, me, we really nutjobby's for actually accepting this surreal situation up to this point?

Is this how the socialists ... (Below threshold)
SER:

Is this how the socialists will take over?

The voters have a plan for ... (Below threshold)
Neo:

The voters have a plan for November ..
it's called the Slaughter Solution

Seriously? Are you advocati... (Below threshold)
trump:

Seriously? Are you advocating hurting people.


Personally, if they do this, I wouldn't advocate hurting those responsible.......but I'm more than willing to pony up for the defense fund of those who do.

You gotta abide by the Constitution, otherwise it's all fair game...

soap box, ballot box, jury ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box

You gotta do the first three first but after you do, and if nothing changes, the ammo box is in the mix.

I've got too much respect f... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

I've got too much respect for our country to support the violent overthrow thing. That's a line most of us won't cross, and it has to do with the country we leave our kids. You can't love your country and tear it down at the same time. A lot of people have died, including my earliest American relatives, to get us where we are.

That said, however, there's another line, and it's also about what kind of a country we leave our kids. The Tea Party movement is a warning shot, and it's not some bullshit concoction of the Republican party, like so many asshat liberals believe. If the Obama administration insists on jamming this health care down our throats, we're going to get a lot louder.

The mid-term elections in November will be the next response, and I hope it scares the bejesus out of every tinpot politician in Washington. It amazes me that liberals don't understand that the health care drama is a suicide pact for the Democrat party.

And if that doesn't do it, congressional recall petitions and impeachment proceedings will be next.

Either way health care turns out, Obama will never be elected to a second term. He's screwed the pooch. He just won't let himself hear it yet.

Paul, #2: "God for... (Below threshold)

Paul, #2:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
--Thomas Jefferson

bobdog, #17, says he has to... (Below threshold)

bobdog, #17, says he has too much respect for "our country" to support the violent overthrow thing -- and says it has to do with "the country" we leave our kids. You can't, he says, love "your country" and tear it down at the same time. A lot of people have died, he goes on, including his earliest American relatives -- and that got us to "where we are."

But only because his earliest American relatives (who apparently, conveniently, before shuffling off this mortal plain, begat his slightly less early American relatives) knew the difference between "our country" and "the government!"

And that:

"We (Sovereign Americans) hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

There are many pitfalls in ... (Below threshold)
kevino:

There are many pitfalls in the reconciliation process:

1. The House has to pass an unpopular Senate bill. They don't have the votes, so they intend to say that it passed without actually passing it.
2. If the House passes the Senate bill, the House has not confidence that the Senate will proceed with reconciliation. They intend to avoid that problem by giving the Senate a collection of changes without an actual bill behind it.
3. If the House passes the Senate bill and the Senate doesn't pass the changes, the House is afraid that the President will sign the mess. Again, they propose to prevent that by passing changes without actually passing the bill.

Gag.

Democrats don't like the rules, so they ignore them. What is "democratic" about the "Democratic Party"?

And in the midst of all this, the American people have made it clear that they don't want this bill - under any circumstances. The paraphrase Bertolt Brecht, "The government of the Democrats has lost the confidence of the people; therefore it is necessary to elect a new people."

Government exists by the consent of the governed -- unless the Democrats don't like the result.

--------

Oh, and you owe it to yourself to see this quote by Speaker Pelosi about the latest attempts by the Democrats to keep you in the dark about what they ultimately plan to do: "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it".

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

Next stop: Immigration reform

I know the quotation very w... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

I know the quotation very well, Mr. Allen. I've quoted it here before.

Don't twist what I said. I'm not saying we should just roll over and think of England.

as they prepare to leap ... (Below threshold)
JAT:

as they prepare to leap off and grab a 50kv line with both hands

Point of order - there are no 50kV lines actually. Now let them climb a 500kV line tower and you got real fireworks.

Come November we all use the Slaughter Solution and vote them all out!

As a veteran I do not like what I see as the ruling-class tries hard to push us into socialism!

serfer62 - please, share wi... (Below threshold)
Razorgirl:

serfer62 - please, share with us what it is you are going to do. I am at my wits end about the direction this country is headed. I am 56 years old and ready to do what needs to be done, yet I am just at a loss as to what that is. So far all the nutjobs that have been in the news lately have been Democrats who have a beef with Bush. However, I am anxious that someone with nothing to loose (terminal cancer-six months to live. i.e. Jack Ruby type) will go vigilanty and do something stupid and Obama will declare Marshall Law and cancel the November elections.

I too, love my country. I ... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

I too, love my country. I have no desire to violently overthrow it. The problem is the country I was born and raised is being overtaken from within. I hope November will bring about the REAL HOPE AND CHANGE that Americans want. If the new congress continues as it is now, then the government will force us to other means, much as LesNessman has stated. As for martial law, I find it impossible to believe our children and grandchildren in the armed forces would turn on the American Citizens.

Keep your powder dry.... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Keep your powder dry.

Bury your valuables.

Evacuate your women and children.

The House can pass the Sena... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

The House can pass the Senate bill word-for-word, with a vote, and then the president can sign it. That's what they're talking about.

The procedure is nothing novel anyway.

yaaaaaaawn

Adrian Browne:RE: ... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Adrian Browne:

RE: "The House can pass the Senate bill word-for-word, with a vote, and then the president can sign it. That's what they're talking about."

No, they aren't. You're totally wrong.

What is being discussed is:

Under Slaughter's scheme, Democratic leaders will overcome this problem by simply "deeming" the Senate bill passed in the House - without an actual vote by members of the House.

Doesn't this type of thing ... (Below threshold)
Stephen H.:

Doesn't this type of thing happening in D.C. fall under Treason?

"House members are being to... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

"House members are being told that they must vote for the Senate bill as a procedural step. But the bill would then be only a presidential signature away from becoming law. That is, House members might end up voting for the Senate's Cornhusker Kickback, Louisiana Purchase, "Cadillac" tax, abortion coverage and other unpopular provisions -- and then find it's all become law."

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/nancy_nutty_new_rules_EX9ApnhgHZConMA7wxkMuN#ixzz0ht0q9bZP

The passing-healthcare-without-a-vote talking point is basically yet another hoax that some people are falling for. Send your money in to the Republican Party in order to Stop the Dems!

Another place where Adrian ... (Below threshold)

Another place where Adrian is wrong:

The Constitution specifically says that any revenue bills have to originate in the House. If there is a single element of the plan that raises taxes, then the House CAN NOT just approve the Senate's bill -- the House vote has to come first.

Those darned pesky rules...

J.

The Democrats would be poor... (Below threshold)

The Democrats would be poor schemers if they didn't have a couple of plots going at once, Adrian...

J.

JT, Adrian, like Nancy does... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

JT, Adrian, like Nancy doesn't let facts or rules get in his way. Probably spends all day admiring himself in front of a mirror while wearing his regulation Brown Shirt, jodhpurs and jack boots. That red arm band with a big "O" on a white background really sets the ensemble off.

OMG There is a new post ^ab... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

OMG There is a new post ^above^ spreading the same misinformation/hoax!

Adrian is being typically v... (Below threshold)

Adrian is being typically vague, but just in case he's saying I'm spreading a myth, here's the quote:

United States Constitution, Article I, Section 7:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

J.

Adrian:Your articl... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Adrian:

Your article is old news. I covered those ideas back on #20. Because the Democrats don't have the votes and because they don't want to get stuck with the Senate bill, they are throwing up the Slaughter plan. This is a real proposal, and you don't have a shred of evidence to the contrary.

If Rep. Slaughter wasn't serious about this proposal, her office would be issuing a flat denial: what you've read is not true. That isn't happening.

Call her office:

Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D, NY-28)
202 225 3615
716 853 5813
716 282 1274

The first answer you get is a non-denial denial: there hasn't been a rules committee meeting to discuss how they will proceed. If you stay on topic, you will be told that there will be a vote in the House on healthcare. If you then ask, "Will they vote on the Senate bill", you get the answer that's all over the place, and nowhere in that conversation will you hear a real vote on just the Senate bill.

This is a trial balloon that is clearly causing concern with most Americans. Contrary to what President Obama believes, Americans really do care about the process.

And I urge everyone who cares to call her office and voice your concerns. Be informed. Be polite. Be firm. Be heard.

Here's an interesting fact ... (Below threshold)
Arizona CJ:

Here's an interesting fact that I haven't seen discussed anywhere, yet; Procedural nonsense like this virtually guarantees a legal challenge to the legitimacy of any law passed in such a way. (there are other constitutional problems with Obamacare, as well) That means the Supreme Court will be involved. That would, oh the irony, be the selfsame Supreme Court that Obama seems to be going out of his way to piss off and humiliate with no good reason. (SOTU slam, the insults stemming from Obama's swearing in, firing back at the Chief Justice today, etc).

I think the chickens are coming home to roost, and it's a matter of when, not if.




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