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Those Pesky Jews

Sean's piece yesterday about the Obama administration's attitude towards Israel was superb, but I find it lacked a few key details. In the interest of balance, I feel morally obligated to point them out.

First up, Sean mentioned how Israel's building homes was a grave provocation and insult to the peace process. To counterbalance Israel's aggressive moves, one should really highlight what the Palestinians did themselves last week to demonstrate their commitment to peace -- such as firing a rocket into Israel (fortunately, the Palestinians being as consistently inept as they are, no one was injured this time) and naming a public square in honor of a woman who led one of the deadliest terrorist attacks against Israel ever. Dalal Mughrabi's 1978 attack left 25 Israelis dead -- including 13 children.

And Sean also neglected to mention the respect Biden demonstrated for the Israeli government by showing up for a dinner in his honor a scant 90 minutes late.

These are obviously small potatoes (which were probably cold by the time Joe bothered to appear) compared to Israel's horrific provocations as building homes and stating that the Tomb of the Patriarchs -- where Abraham and several other of the very first Jews are purported to be buried -- as kinda sorta important to Jews everywhere. But since that site is in the West Bank, the Palestinians rightfully demanded that Israel quietly pretend it's purely a Muslim site, or they'll launch another war.

All (well, most) sarcasm aside, it's easy to see the Tomb of the Patriarchs as symbolic of a fundamental aspect of Islam: its covetousness. It craves the historical links and respectability the other two major faiths to come out of the Middle East (Judaism and Christianity), so it does whatever it can to graft on to and appropriate history, co-opt their credibility. In Jerusalem, the Temple Mount is hailed as the third holiest site in Islam, where the Prophet Mohammed bodily ascended into heaven. So it, obviously, must remain in Muslim hands.

This requires some seriously heavy lifting, as it demands that folks forget that the Temple Mount is the FIRST holiest site for Jews, and that Jerusalem -- so prominently mentioned in Jewish and Christian religious texts, never once appears in the Koran. Ask a Muslim how they know that it was atop the Temple Mount that Mohammed last set foot on earth, and you're asking to be beheaded.

Meanwhile, in the Dome Of The Rock atop the Temple Mount, Muslims are busily trying to erase all traces of Jewish occupancy up there and using the heights to throw rocks down at the Jews worshipping at the last surviving part of one of the Temples their ancestors built.

And don't even get me started on the War On Cartoonists...

Islam today reminds me of nothing more than a small child -- a child who has learned that throwing temper trantrums gets him his way. Whenever the world does something Islam doesn't like, they threaten (or actually carry out) acts of violence until they are appeased.

Which lasts precisely as long as it takes for something else to happen that they don't like.

That's what we face today. That's what Israel faces far more closely and clearly today.

And the Obama administration is standing there, telling Israel to just let the baby have whatever it wants so it stops screaming and breaking things.

Considering the maturity demonstrated by the Obama administration, it's no great surprise which side they're identifying with more.


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Why doesn't the left get a ... (Below threshold)
Stan:

Why doesn't the left get a clue about Islam? They preach about how the Christians and Jews are so hateful. Then they give the Muslims a pass when they whack off someone's head. Don't they realize that just like Communists, the first ones that will be on the chopping block -- both figuratively and literally -- when the shit hits the fan, will be the very collaborators that put then in power? I guess when a person or a group of people live in their own little dream world, things will always be hunky dory.

GEN Petraeus is t... (Below threshold)
galoob:


GEN Petraeus is tired of the Israelis, too.

He's tired of US being blamed for Israeli land-grabbing and its effect on his wars as he persuades Arab leaders to help us out. About time.

The team had been dispatched by CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus to underline his growing worries at the lack of progress in resolving the issue. The 33-slide, 45-minute PowerPoint briefing stunned Mullen. The briefers reported that there was a growing perception among Arab leaders that the U.S. was incapable of standing up to Israel, that CENTCOM's mostly Arab constituency was losing faith in American promises, that Israeli intransigence on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was jeopardizing U.S. standing in the region . .


And what about that pesky Jew, Tom Friedman, what's he saying?

So it pains me to say that on his recent trip to Israel, when Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu's government rubbed his nose in some new housing plans for contested East Jerusalem, the vice president missed a chance to send a powerful public signal: He should have snapped his notebook shut, gotten right back on Air Force Two, flown home and left the following scribbled note behind: "Message from America to the Israeli government: Friends don't let friends drive drunk. And right now, you're driving drunk. You think you can embarrass your only true ally in the world, to satisfy some domestic political need, with no consequences? You have lost total contact with reality. Call us when you're serious. We need to focus on building our country."

He's right: screw Israel, America first.

Whew! Great put down, of th... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Whew! Great put down, of those that would so eagerly put Israel down (No I'm not Jewish)

Galoob:The bit you... (Below threshold)

Galoob:

The bit you quoted from Petraeus sounds an awful lot like what I said: the Muslim leadership has a serious problem with reality, and will throw temper tantrums if their beliefs aren't allowed to trump them.

As far as Friedman goes... you citation sounds an awful lot like "some of my best friends are Jewish."

J.

Guess what, JT, the blanket... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Guess what, JT, the blanket accusation of anti-semitism is no longer intimidating critics of Israel. It's been used so much for so many critics, it's like The Boy Who Cried Wolf. So I don't give a shit what you think in that regard.

Truth is, most American Jews do not support Likud land-grabbing. Because they're Americans first, and because they know it's not good for Israel or the Jews for Israel to have a policy of ethnic cleansing.

Reality? Of course the Arabs have a problem with reality. The reality is that Israel is trying to grab all of the land on the West Bank - it's obvious. They're walling Palestinian farmers off from their land, workers from jobs, and posting settlements all the way to the Jordan River. That's reality, and yes the Arabs don't like it anymore than black people liked it in apartheid South Africa. Who wouldn't have a problem with the "reality" of someone grabbing your land?

But again, is Israel helping or hurting the USA? Petraeus thinks they're hurting our war efforts.


And Biden told them . . . .

"This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly told Netanyahu. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace." Yedioth Ahronoth went on to report: "The vice president told his Israeli hosts that since many people in the Muslim world perceived a connection between Israel's actions and US policy, any decision about construction that undermines Palestinian rights in East Jerusalem could have an impact on the personal safety of American troops fighting against Islamic terrorism." The message couldn't be plainer: Israel's intransigence could cost American lives.

Could cost American lives? It's been costing American lives for a long time, as we have to take the hits for a bunch of fanatic Israeli land grabbers on the West Bank.

Yeah, Isreal is grabbing la... (Below threshold)
Sean P:

Yeah, Isreal is grabbing land. So what?

Germany grabbed land from France when they won the Franco German war. France grabbed the land back when they (& the US & British) won WWI. The US grabbed land when we won the Mexican American War. And the Spanish American War. The British grabbed land when they won the French & Indian War. And so on and so on through all of history...

UNTIL NOW. Now, when Isreal defeated Fatah after it rejected a peace deal offering the exact same land they are building settlements on, PLUS MORE, they are being attacked for doing what ANY country would do after defeating an enemy. And Isreal SHOULD grab the land. It's called a reality check. Without it, Fatah or whoever controls the West Bank will continue in the illusion that the post 1967 territories are the STARTING point to a peace treaty, not the END point.

Let Isreal build the settlement as a monument to Arafat's massive stupidity in rejecting Olso and turning to terrorism to try to get more. And when Palestinians complain about the unfairness of the grab, maybe if we should stop pointing fingers at Isreal and start pointing them at Arafat and his cronies like we should, the Palestinian people will finally get the message and elect a regime that is actually willingto negotiate for peace in good faith. And who knows, maybe then they can get this territory back? (Maybe)

I should point out that the... (Below threshold)

I should point out that the Arab's objecting to Israel building homes in a suburb of Jerusalem would be like the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War objecting to the United States putting up apartment buildings In Washington because the Soviet Embassy is on Wisconsin Avenue and the ambassador lived on 16th Street.

Similarly, it would be like illegal immigrants from Mexico objecting to the building of apartments in San Francisco or Los Angeles or insisting that Texas regarding the Alamo as an historical shrine is a "provocation".

I should also point out that the Arabs consistently get away with building illegal structures throughout all of Israel and refuse to turn over land they have settled to the (legitimate) Jewish owners.

galoob, I think you're conf... (Below threshold)

galoob, I think you're confusing "accusations of anti-semitism" with "accusations of racism." It's the latter that's run out of steam.

And unlike Sean, I didn't say Obama is anti-Semitic. I said his foreign policy was biased against Israel, short-sighted, stupid, and unfounded in reality. Read into that what you wish.

I know you will anyway.

J.

According to the Democratic... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

According to the Democratic Party standard, if galoob is not Jewish then he has no right to an opinion on Israel.

Therefore since galoob feels he has the right to an opinion on Israel and he is supporting the Democratic Party position, I surmise that galoob is in fact Jewish.

Is my logic correct galoob? Because if you're a Democrat and NOT Jewish I'm going to report you to the DNC.

GEN Petraeus is... (Below threshold)
GEN Petraeus is tired of the Israelis, too.

He's tired of US being blamed for Israeli land-grabbing and its effect on his wars as he persuades Arab leaders to help us out.

Me, I'm tirede of morons, idiots, retards and imbeciles blaming the U.S. for things THEY KNOW DAMN WELL either aren't our fault, or AREN'T WRONG.
Why does the land in Jordan... (Below threshold)
just bob:

Why does the land in Jordan and Egypt that was promised to the Palistanians not get any ink? They are as most moslems only intent on making war against we heathans. Get a grip, from the time that pedophile crawled out from under a rock and started this cult tere has not been peace.

Those LAND GRABBING Jews!!!... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Those LAND GRABBING Jews!!!

Total land area of the Middle East (and only counting the countries openly hostile to Israel) is LARGER than the land area of the United States (with Alaska included, of cousre).

Amount of land those pesky Jews "grabbed"?? Almost exactly the size of Kern County, California.

3,800,000+ square miles for the Religion of Peace...and 7,700 square miles for the "pesky" Jews. Greedy bastards!

Who cares the whole thing i... (Below threshold)

Who cares the whole thing is based on hatred and the left knows how to play the manufactured anger roll quite well. I just don't understand why the Jews voted so much in favor of Obama. Do they just believe and follow that easily?

The Arabs would kill their ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

The Arabs would kill their own if it proved politically expedient. Does anyone really believe the Arab world has any interest in seeing a true peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis? I don't believe there is ANYTHING Israel can do to achieve a secure peace in the Middle East. It's one thing for the Israelis to feel secure with a friend in the United States. It's another thing to feel secure when the US is lead by Obama who shows no sense of loyalty to any of our long standing allies let alone Israel. In the Inferno, Dante condemned Mohammed and his son-in-law to Hell because they were considered usurpers and sowers of discord. What has changed about the prominent religious and secular Islamic leaders in the Arab world in the 21st century?

The Arabs would kill the... (Below threshold)

The Arabs would kill their own if it proved politically expedient.

What world do YOU live in, DaveD? The Arabs DO kill their own when politically expedient. Google up "Black September" for just one example.

J.

Jay, I confess, I sacrifice... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Jay, I confess, I sacrificed reality for a poor attempt at discretion.

Jay, I confess, I sacrif... (Below threshold)
Tim:

Jay, I confess, I sacrificed reality for a poor attempt at discretion.

Jeez, Dave. Discretion? This is Teh Internets. We don't need no discretion!

You tell him, Tim!... (Below threshold)

You tell him, Tim!

In that spirit, I neglected to change my underwear yesterday.

J.

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The issue is not what the I... (Below threshold)
galoob:

The issue is not what the Israelis do as much as what the U.S. does to support it. The Israelis can try to conquer Russia for all I care, I just don't want the U.S identified with the crazy shit they do.

The issue is: what is in the best interest of the United States?

Subsidizing ($5 billion per year in U.S. taxpayer or borrowed money to Israel) and covering for (making excuses for Israel and the U.N. Security Council veto) is not in the best interest of the USA.

I just say stop sending them money and stop using the UN veto when they piss off the rest of the world. We don't have to vote against them, just sit on our hands.

They're not that great an ally, anyways, they cause more problems than they give us benefits:
1. 1956 Suez
2. 1967 USS Liberty
3. Jonathan Pollard and passing his secrets to the Soviets;
4. Lebanon in the 1980s
5. Playing cozy with the Russians
6. Using real allies passports for operations
7. Generally pissing off Arabs, who have oil

America first, is all I say.

The left has always been an... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The left has always been and will continue to be a palestinian supporter regardless. Obama is just following his belief plus he does have a Muslim heritage. It was the liberals in the early 20th century that quietly agreed with Hitler and his movement. They also dabbled in eugenics. This stance by Obama and the left is no surprise to me. Until it becomes politically expediant for Obama here in this country, he will ignore our greatest ally in the Middle East. Also, do not forget that Israel is restraining itself from handling the Iran nuke problem solely on their relationship with us. Obama would be foolish to condemn Israel.

Jews and Muslims have fought over the same property for thousands of years since Abraham received the land from God. Unfortunately, Abraham's bastard son, Ishmael, (Islam) is claiming the inheritence also. So, walking in late to a meeting or having our State Sec. lecture Israel on its' behavior is just white noise.

IN regards to Muslims always saying Israel is a puppet to the USA; that will continue no matter what happens. Muslim's minds are closed. ww

1. 1956 Suez2. 19... (Below threshold)
1. 1956 Suez 2. 1967 USS Liberty 3. Jonathan Pollard and passing his secrets to the Soviets; 4. Lebanon in the 1980s 5. Playing cozy with the Russians 6. Using real allies passports for operations 7. Generally pissing off Arabs, who have oil

Interesting how the list is both disingenuous and (mostly) false.

For example, 1956 Suez was actually an operation by our allies Britain and France who talked Israel into helping with the promise of their backing (and the promise that the U.S. would stay out of it)

1967 Liberty occurred (as actually admitted by the CIA) because the CIA refused to admit that a U.S. ship was in the area so that the Israeli's thought that it was an Egyptian false flag operation.

Actually, information that Jonathon Pollard passed to the Israelis was not passed to the Russians. There have been reports that Robert Hansen (the Russian spy) was involved in collection the list of what he had (supposedly) turned over to the Russians. Other reports blam Secretary of Defense Weinberger for adding to the list.

Lebanon in the 1980's was obviously a response to the terror operations and a matter of self defense. In fact, they allowed the terrorists to leave Lebanon and only acted to defend themselves.

It can be assumed that they used passports of various countries, just like every other intelligence service in the world. Of course, this is probably a reference to the tabloid like nature of reports on the Dubai assassination.

The last statement is the only one that is true. The sentence that was left out is the reason for the Arabs getting mad. The Arabs are willing to allow Israel to exist only if the Eastern border were situated 20 miles west of Tel Avis and Haifa.

Nice to see an experienced ... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Nice to see an experienced propagandist out.

What makes you so sure that Pollard did not pass top secrets to the USSR, as widely reported? Why do so many from the CIA and FBI oppose his release so strongly?

Your story about the USS Liberty is one I never heard before. Nice try. Is it from the hasbara website?

The Arabs are ready to recognize Israel based on something like the Geneva proposals, even accommodating some of the settlements on the occupied territories. The Saudis have pushed this as a settlement, and so has the PA.

What Israel has never offered is some final settlement proposal, an actual drawing of boundaries. Because they want it all. Whether this is in Israel's interest is for Israelis to answer. What will they do with all of those Arabs who live there? Same thing for the Palestinian Arabs, it's up to them to decide what to do. Maybe they'll give up on their own state and demand representation in the Knesset, since they're ruled from there.

We send Israel $5 billion a year and they tell us to kiss their ass. Which we do. I'm just saying it's time to stop and recognize our real interests and stop taking hits as Israel's lapdog. As GEN Petraeus says.

America first.

I'm just saying it's tim... (Below threshold)

I'm just saying it's time to stop and recognize our real interests and stop taking hits as Israel's lapdog. As GEN Petraeus says.

Actually, Petraeus said we keep taking hits because we ARE PERCEIVED BY THE ARABS as Israel's lapdog. We'd need to correct that perception among Arabs to stop the hits.

Sadly, that perception is part and parcel of the persecution complex and pride culture that is inherent in the Arab mindset.

I don't particularly care to reshape our foreign policy of supporting democracies and friendly nations simply because it might make some crazy people feel slightly less paranoid. Because crazy people will always find more ways in which they're being victimized and persecuted, and giving in to their delusions only encourages them.

Besides, show me an Arab nation that is a functioning democracy that respects the rights of minorities within their borders. Just one. Then I'll have a modicum of respect for that nation.

J.

The Israelis are land thiev... (Below threshold)
Kweku Adjaloo:

The Israelis are land thieves. They are stealing Palestinian lands, and killing their women and children, then expecting we Americans to die for their lunacy. Yes, Joe Biden should have left the moment that stupid land-grabbing announcement was made. A whole American vice President being disgraced by a farcical regime with stealing attitude.

Islam reminds me of that ch... (Below threshold)
BlueNight:

Islam reminds me of that child in that Twilight Zone episode, the kid who could bury anyone in the corn field using only his mind, so all the adults walked around quietly with smiles, dripping sweat in fear.

Excuse me; that's Islam without Israel.

The Israelis are land th... (Below threshold)
Carol:

The Israelis are land thieves.

I have a question. Just how do you figure that the area in Jerusalem they are building in is "Palestinian" land?

Or is it Palestinian land simply because the Palestinians (and other Arabs) think it should be "Palestinian land?

I agree, JT we have to chan... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I agree, JT we have to change the perception. And the best way to change the perception is to let Americans keep the $5 billion per year we give Israel in aid and stop saving them from their own mistakes in the UN.

America first.

I would note that during th... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

I would note that during the centuries when Arab Muslims controlled Jerusalem, there was no particular effort toward protecting the Dome of the Rock, nor any pilgrimage or special attention paid to the sites by Muslims in the area or elsewhere. The site's significance as the "third holiest shrine in Islam" only became an issue after the Jews were in control of it.

Also, in passing, we observe that there is no point in arguing with the anti-Semitic crowd, as they have their own version of history which for them has been engraved in stone.

"" ... it's easy to see the... (Below threshold)

"" ... it's easy to see the Tomb of the Patriarchs as symbolic of a fundamental aspect of (Islamanazim): its covetousness. ""

Sorry -- but "covetousness" doesn't cut it -- its name is psychopathological hesperophobia.

And it is a psychosis.

And we will acknowledge that simple fact or we and the very Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization we vanguard and must forever guard will perish from the Earth.

I can see galoob as one of ... (Below threshold)

I can see galoob as one of those kids in school who ditched his best friend because the jocks and the cheerleaders told him to.

It may not be fashionable t... (Below threshold)

It may not be fashionable to raise this plaint, but this seems like the best place I'll ever get to do it: I would like the Hagia Sophia back for Christianity.




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