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Obama: flying flag in Haiti gives the wrong idea

I kid you not:

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The many nations helping Haiti recover from the devastating earthquake that struck there have set up their own military compounds and fly their flags at the entrances.

France's tricolor, Britain's Union Jack and even Croatia's coat of arms flap in the breeze.

But the country whose contributions dwarf the rest of the world's -- the United States -- has no flag at its main installation near the Port-au-Prince airport.

The lack of the Stars and Stripes does not sit well with some veterans and servicemembers who say the U.S. government should be proud to fly the flag in Haiti, given the amount of money and manpower the U.S. is donating to help the country recover from the Jan. 12 quake.

The Obama administration says flying the flag could give Haiti the wrong idea.

"We are not here as an occupation force, but as an international partner committed to supporting the government of Haiti on the road to recovery," the U.S. government's Haiti Joint Information Center said in response to a query about the flag.

We are no longer governed by those who would consider themselves exclusively American.

We are governed by radicals.

And many of you voted for this.

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Comments (62)

Well, keep in mind most of ... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

Well, keep in mind most of those that voted for this are either too young to have a clue, too old to have a clue, too wealthy to need to have a clue, or too systematically downtrodden and uneducated to know the difference.

Having said that, however, the sheer contempt for all things Americana does speak volumes about leftism in general and about the administration's worldview, doesn't it?

Heaven forbid the Hatians k... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Heaven forbid the Hatians know who to feel gratitude towards. It's far better to have the world think that we're not doing a damn thing rather than have our presence obvious.

"what's important is what w... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"what's important is what we do as a nation"

So Stevie is on record as approving of Barry's actions THAT HAVE REPEATED ACTIONS TAKEN BY PRESIDENT BUSH.

You know, those actions; when taken by Bush, Stevie was vehemently against. Let me guess Stevie, you were 'against those actions before you were for them'.

Go ahead Barry, fly the Ken... (Below threshold)
914:

Go ahead Barry, fly the Kenyan flag. We wont look.

Dumbass

So, Obama is saying that th... (Below threshold)
davidt:

So, Obama is saying that those other countries flying their flag while aiding Haiti are occupation forces?

I voted to keep this Ass ou... (Below threshold)
Stan:

I voted to keep this Ass out of the White House and to keep the United States safe. Well I definitely know who will not get my vote the next time. I hope to hell that there will 100 million more just like me. Of course, Stevie -- the idiot that he is -- will be the lone vote for this idiot.

"So, Obama is saying that t... (Below threshold)
914:

"So, Obama is saying that those other countries flying their flag while aiding Haiti are occupation forces?"


Yep, thats what it adds up to.

According to Stevie's logic... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

According to Stevie's logic, we shouldn't have to fly the flag over the US Capitol, or anywhere else for that matter. After all, WE know who WE are, don't we?

I thought little stevie wim... (Below threshold)
Michael:

I thought little stevie wimp boy was banned?

The best thing that could h... (Below threshold)
just bob:

The best thing that could happen to Haiti would be for the US to occupy that den of corruption and incompetence. There is no little US in Haiti but there is a little Haiti in many major US cities. They are drug infested crime cesspools and a blight on our economy. The US should proudly fly the Stars and Stripes wherever our brave and proud serve. SG can join the admin in a circle jerk and play pivot man.

Steve, it's our money, our ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Steve, it's our money, our soldiers, our government, and our good will, helping the people of Haiti.

Why SHOULDN'T we be proud of it? Why SHOULDN'T we fly our own flag?

You may be ashamed of our flag, pencil-neck, but I'm not.

SteveGreen- look in the mir... (Below threshold)
zaugg:

SteveGreen- look in the mirror for teh stoopid.

STEVE-"Are you ser... (Below threshold)
914:

STEVE-

"Are you serious? The whole point is that we don't fly a flag over *another* nation."


Really? Tell that to the U.N.

"The whole point is that we... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The whole point is that we don't fly a flag over *another* nation."

Ever been to a US embassy in a foreign country? You'll find them flying the US flag, not the flag of the country in which they are located.

You are an ass Stevie. An idiot. A dumbshit. Why shouldn't US forces fly OUR flag at their headquarters? Because the French might be offended? Because your fucking socialist Obamassiah doesn't think we should? In a nutshell Stevie, FUCK OBAMA!

The sooner we get this Trea... (Below threshold)
Stephen H.:

The sooner we get this Treasonous fuck and his commie/muslim friends out of office the better.

We're not an occupation for... (Below threshold)
Rich Fader:

We're not an occupation force? And the French, British and Croats are? Way to insult our friends, Skippy. Masterfully done.

Not flying the flag is bad enough. Trying to defend that brainfart is worse.

And is anybody suprised by ... (Below threshold)
Roy:

And is anybody suprised by that typical liberal knee-jerk reaction to a symbol?

Flying our flag wherever we... (Below threshold)

Flying our flag wherever we have American troops isn't an elective, it's a requirement, in my view. And no, I did not object to the punishment and removal of Afghanistan's rulers and Iraq's vicious dictator Saddam Hussein.

Some of the comments made here are as insufferably stupid as Rosie O'Donnell's "never before in history has fire melted steel" comment which placed her in the 65 IQ level in my books. Of course, I'm from Cleveland and my mother's from Pittsburgh and I've seen steel being made!

Trust me you ignorant buffoons - steel does too melt!

The military always (until ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

The military always (until now) proudly raised the stars and stripes but now the very unamerican or ashamed of america Obama is breaking with protocol AGAIN, to reveal how weak and afraid he is. I am truly embarassed by this bafoon. France is even laughing at his weakness. Now that says alot. ww

Oh, but it is indeed an off... (Below threshold)
Rich Fader:

Oh, but it is indeed an official outpost, for however long it's operating. Just like the temporary centers the other governments are running, and flying their flags over. The reasoning that makes it okay for them to do so and not us, assuming it exists, continues to escape me.

"Garandfan. Are you a a mor... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Garandfan. Are you a a moron or just especially combative today?"

Not at all. I just tire of idiots like yourself, your Obamassiah and the stupid shits he has working for him.

Oh, and Stevie, (except for Iran), foreign embassies are considered sovereign.

Steve,".... and what... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Steve,
".... and what's important is what we do as a nation, not how many flags we wave."

Why Steve, I am grateful for your point. It is indeed important what we do as a nation and a strong nation we should be. Please remember that very position when Obama tries to weaken our national identity by folding it into the dictats of corrupt international organizations such as the UN. I hope you will stand with us in our desire to maintain strong national sovereignty in the face of an encroaching one world government.

If Obama wants to offend veterans and servicemen and by extension their families and friends, hey, I don't care. It's just one more group of people who will look upon him as a pariah.

Obammy continues to rely on... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Obammy continues to rely on the integrity of our military...give them bullshit orders and expect them to obey. Which they have...so far.

But Barry's going to go a bullshit order too far some day...maybe even concerning dealing with American citizens in America. Or telling our military to sit idly by while an ally of ours is overrun. Who knows. What will the military do then?? Bastille Day?

Steve Green wrote:<bl... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Steve Green wrote:

. . . what's important is what we do as a nation, not how many flags we wave.

Obama doesn't buy into this logic, though, does he? He thinks that how many flags we wave is important. I guess that's because he thinks if Haitians see the American flag waving, they'll think we're there as an occupation force, despite how much we are giving them.

Obama must think that the Haitians are as stupid as the Democrats.


"Some elementary school in ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Some elementary school in Haiti is not and official outpost of our country.

Ohh stevie, suffer us thy devine idiocy.

If I were to attend a funeral and sign the guest visitation book out of respect of the deceased to show I was there. Would that be an offense to family members?

Many of us knew Obungle was... (Below threshold)
CZ:

Many of us knew Obungle was a radical leftist by paying attention to what he said during his campaign and peeling back his paper thin veneer.

Others among us chose to "make history", consequences be damned.

We are now living an American history lesson. One that is best not forgotten for generations to come.

No, but if you hun... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
No, but if you hung a banner displaying your family crest above the door it might make people wonder why the fuck you're such a douchebag

I know it's only March, but I think we have a winner for the 2010 Dumbest Analogy of the Year.

Bottom line Green is... Hus... (Below threshold)
914:

Bottom line Green is... Hussein did not do this out of some BULLSHIT respect for Haiti. He does these sort of things out of disrespect for America.

True - embassies are not... (Below threshold)
Stan:

True - embassies are not sovereign, but they are an official enclave of the United States.

Any American Embassy, military installation, Consular Office in another country, is considered sovereign American territory, thus flies the American flag. The American people that live and work at these installations are full citizens and have all of the rights that are inherent with the citizens of the physical United States. That includes the right to vote.

It figures the Green Douche... (Below threshold)

It figures the Green Douchebag is the only commenter willing to defend President Teleprompter on this.

Robert Gibbs, is that you?

He does not want a flag the... (Below threshold)
just bob:

He does not want a flag there so that when he visits he will not have to put his hand over his heart if they play the national anthem.

I'm glad "Green" is a fairl... (Below threshold)

I'm glad "Green" is a fairly common last name. I'd hate to mistakenly think the guy spouting this nonsense is the same Steve Green I served with in the Navy.

"THAT's why there aren't... (Below threshold)
914:

"THAT's why there aren't more liberals commenting here - inconvenient truths get people banned. This blog prefers to not have people around who point out those lies."

Thats a LIE STEVIE. This blog has left YOU AROUND LOG ENOUGH to prove otherwise, even though we've yet to see you make prove one assertive truth accept that you kiss Barrys hindquarters on a daily basis.


Thats "make or prove".... (Below threshold)
914:

Thats "make or prove".

Green, whether or not it's ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Green, whether or not it's sovereign territory is moot. The point here is simple, but you've deftly sidestepped it. Obama says flying our flag at our post would imply we're there as occupiers. This implies that other countries helping with the effort there look like occupiers. That hog wash. He's kowtowing again. There's nothing wrong with our flag flying at our station there. Nothing. It's all bullshit.

And pointing out facts with whatever sources you want is not the sort of thing that gets one banned here. As many facts that are pointed out over and over by others here, which you conveniently ignore when ever they're inconvenient, won't get you banned here either.

What gets one banned is crossing a line of decorum. A line you have crossed multiple times, yet, you are still here. As rude and offensive as you are, you are still here. As often as you ignore hard and true facts, you are still here.

So quit your whining, ya ninny.

Yeah, others have gotten just as rude with you, and not that I think it's a good idea they do so, but you started it. So forget the sanctimonious clap-trap you'll be so inclined to spout off about because others say mean things to you.

Unforced error. Again.... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Unforced error. Again.

Barry is getting a reputation - as embarrassed about America, always apologizing about America - and this incident does not help him.

And it's over something that shouldn't even be an issue; other 'sophisticated' European nations are proudly flying their flag, so why not us?

Another flub by the Obama foreign diplomacy team. What a newb.

Steve Green is a liar plain... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Steve Green is a liar plain and simple. I have been kicking around Wizbang for a number of years. I do remember MANY times when moderators warned Steve Green to not use vile language or such but he continued anyway. What a putz.

Also, for clarification, Obama is the Commander and Chief so it is his responsibility for our flag not flying over our barracks in Haiti. Haiti will take all our money, all our products and all our labor, but they won't take our flag? Fuck them. ww

Steve GreenI am go... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve Green

I am going to break this up in little chunks so try to keep up.

Ref your post 1

"and what's important is what we do as a nation, not how many flags we wave."

as someone else eloquently stated apparantly Obama disagrees with you.

Next post of yours

"They won't know it's the U.S. because there isn't a flag flying? Are you serious?
"

Per

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-03-14-haiti-flag-flap_N.htm/

"The many nations helping Haiti recover from the devastating earthquake that struck there have set up their own military compounds and fly their flags at the entrances"

I guess they wont know that the other nations are there either.


REf Post 13
"Are you serious? The whole point is that we don't fly a flag over *another* nation."

Again I guess that doesnt apply to the other nations there just us correct>?


Post 22

"Are you a a moron or just especially combative today? "

Well I guess we will see that you are the moron but I digress here for a second.

Post 29

"And they will continue to do so as long as they want to stay out of prison.

Because, of course, you're not suggesting they do otherwise, are you "

Hmm I seem to recall some on the left actively encouraging soldiers to shoot their commanding officers becuase we were in Iraq. I guess that seemed to have missed your attention.

BTW It is the DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY of any soldier to NOT obey an order that is illegal and or immoral. Even if that order is FROM THE PRESIDENT. Now we havent reached that point yet with Obama but hey who knows. And before you mention Bush you might want to check out the Authorization for use of force in Iraq (you know the ones so heavily supported by dems back around 2003), the one signed by Congress which basically stated that Bush could do what he deemed nescessary to protect the US against terrorists.

Post 31

"No, but if you hung a banner displaying your family crest above the door it might make people wonder why the fuck you're such a douchebag '

Are you suggesting that all the other countries which are flying flags are douchebags?

Post 37.

"So the meme that Obama made this decision is a flat out lie."

Here if you DONT KNOW ANYTHING about the military then just STFU so you dont look so STUPID.

COL BUCKER is a Public Affairs officer. He doesnt make policy. He only comments on it and those comments are in line with what the State DEPT and the Obama administration say they are. In short, he is nothing more than a mouth piece.

Now if you look back at the article I quoted above you will notice that

a. There was official communication between the military and the state department.
b. An official military PAO officer made a statement.

c. The state department was involved

d. The article quotes the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.

Yet you try to absolve Obama from any decision making at all. I seem to recall when some young stupid soldiers at Abu Graib abusing prisoners and there were

a. NO communication with Washington

b. Did not contact the state dept

c. Didn't have a PAO officer stating their actions were justified or authorized.

d. newspaper articles quoting Bush administration officials as saying that is is the official policy.

The left wanted to try, convict and execute Bush and Cheney for war crimes. Yet you want to give Obama a free pass in this issue.

So in short Steve Green... (Below threshold)
retired military:

So in short Steve Green

Feel free to STFU and stop proving the old saying.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

And BTW

"feel free to drop the ad hominem attacks against me and go back to discussing the topic at hand"

Maybe you should stop "hanging the "I am an Obama fanboy" crest and poeple will stop telling you the truth about how much of an ignorant moron you really are.


Item D in post 46 above sho... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Item D in post 46 above should read

"d. NO newspaper articles quoting Bush administration officials as saying that this was official policy. "


Stupid laptop keyboard.

Re: #37:"THAT's why ... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

Re: #37:
"THAT's why there aren't more liberals commenting here - inconvenient truths get people banned. This blog prefers to not have people around who point out those lies."

No,Steve, people get banned for being asinine trolls.
Like you.
And being a racist one (such as yourself) doesn't help.

Stevie's "most transparent ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Stevie's "most transparent government, evah!"

In the last budget year, the Obama Administration has refused FOI requests 70,779 times, compared with 47,395 times during President George W. Bush's final budget year, this according to annual FOIA reports filed by federal agencies.

So Stevie, what are they hiding?

Oh and if you think it's because the press is asking MORE questions, forget it.

All told, the 17 agencies reviewed by AP reported getting 444,924 FOIA requests in fiscal 2009, compared with 493,610 in fiscal 2008.

Steveand some seri... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve

and some serious heartfelt advice

"feel free to drop the ad hominem attacks against me and go back to discussing the topic at hand"

If you want people to stop calling you a moron, saying that your statements are idiotic and calling you an Obamafanboy then do t his.

a. Stop making moronic statements.
b. Stop making idiotic statements.
c. Stop being an Obamafanboy.

Every time you post something it is like a 10 year old pitching to Mark McGuire and then crying that so many of your pitches are hit out of the park.

If you want to bark with the big dogs then stop pissing with the puppies.

But let's not m... (Below threshold)
But let's not make this about Steve Green - feel free to drop the ad hominem attacks against me
Just as soon as you retract and apologize for disingenuously accusing me of threatening the President.

Douchebag.

I wondered for a while why ... (Below threshold)
JPO:

I wondered for a while why someone like Steve Green would want to post on here at all. After all, I can hardly stand to read Huff Post and it's comments (where it would seem someone like Steve Green would feel more at home), makes me want to puke. Then I began to wonder if there isn't some masochistic narcissism involved here. After all, it seems every time S. Green makes a comment, the rest of the discussion eventually gets twisted around to being about him instead of the original topic. Basically, he posts an asinine comment, people respond, he returns volley with more asinine comments, until it reaches a point where discussion of the original post has been all but abandoned. Hasn't happened as much in this thread, but just wondering if anyone else has noticed this phenomenon.

"So by not flying the fl... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"So by not flying the flag, we're not changing anyone's mind about anything."

So since you're hanging your hat on that one, then read it again. If by flying it we appear to be occupiers and not flying it wouldn't change anyone's mind, then what's the problem?

Steve GreenGonna t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Steve Green

Gonna try this one more time.

Funny how you have to bolster your arguments from an article someone else linked. I mean what is the matter? The items you listed in the last 2 posts werent in your dem talking points?

From your last post

"HAITI ASKED US TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG"

But up above you stated that an Army COL made the decision and not the Obama administration.

Do try to be consistent.

And nowhere in the article did it state that Haiti asked us to take down the flag.

""Apparently, the prime minister (Jean-Max Bellerive) saw this" and thought it appeared as if the United States were taking over the airport, Luoma-Overstreet said."

Where in that paragraph did Haiti ask us to take down the flag. It stated they misunderstood the flag being flown at the airport and now we cant fly the FLAG ANYWHERE as the Obama administration has stated that we cant.

Did Haiti mention that they thought the other nations were occupying Haiti? Doesnt say that. Could it be that the Haiti ambassador doesnt like the US? Possibly. But I cant state that as fact like you tried to state as fact that Haiti asked us to take down the flag.

Again the state department was contacted and they in turn contacted the Obama administration and the decision was made to not fly the flag.

As for the Former Delta Force soldier's comments I have to ask. If he stated that he thought we were right to invade Iraq, that the US was within it rights if we had killed Saddam or that waterboarding terrorists is the right thing to do would you enthusiastically say "I believe this guy"

Yeah I didnt think so. That is what happens when you are a sheeple. People tie your statements into knots because they have no substance in them.

Try to remember these 2 pieces of advice next time you want to post.

"If you want to bark with the big dogs then stop pissing with the puppies"

and also

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

I think our resident troll ... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

I think our resident troll has managed to move this discussion pretty far from the elements of what's happening (probably his plan, even though he's been clobbered at every turn).

I sailed under the U.S. flag. We didn't strike our colors when we entered another country's territorial waters. We didn't strike our colors when we tied up pier-side in another country. The Stars and Stripes was raised at the start of the day and lowered at the end of the day. We observed standard flag protocol underway, in home-port and all ports-of-call. It was U.S. military working under the U.S. flag.

In Haiti U.S. military personnel are serving our country on a humanitarian mission. Military personnel, serving their country. The no-flag order was wrong and demonstrates Obama's disregard toward our military.

If he didn't want the U.S. flag flying he should have sent the SEIU instead.

I wonder if the US had just... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I wonder if the US had just air dropped billions of dollars in the country would the Haiti ambassador had thought we were trying to occupy the country.

They want our aid, our money, our blood and sweat. But apparantly our flag sends the wrong message.


If he didn't want the U.... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

If he didn't want the U.S. flag flying he should have sent the SEIU instead.

Fat lot of good that would have done - there's nothing for them to rip off.

One has to wonder (except f... (Below threshold)
retired military:

One has to wonder (except for the OBamabots) at the following from the news article:

""Apparently, the prime minister (Jean-Max Bellerive) saw this" and thought it appeared as if the United States were taking over the airport, Luoma-Overstreet said"

Now I have to question.

What would we have done with the airport if we had "taken over it"? Declared it was now US property in the middle of a disaster which the whole world was watching? Maybe spearhead an invasion to take over a country with no resources, over a million dead, no infrastructure, no money and nothing that we want?

I mean did we take over Iraq with billions in oil reserves? No.

Yet here we have an ambassador who sees a US flag and suddenly thinks we are confiscating their airport?

The ambassador hasnt denied the story, but at least in my opinion, something smells as bad as a month old fish with the "official explanation" from the Obama administration.

There would have been no wo... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

There would have been no worries if Obama had gone with his gut and used the white flag...

Or maybe Wizbang could spon... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Or maybe Wizbang could sponsor a "Design the Flag" contest for when the US needs to represent overseas without the provocative stars and bars.

Is the white hand shaking a black hand on a soothing green background too trite?

JLawson - "Fat lot of good ... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

JLawson - "Fat lot of good that would have done - there's nothing for them to rip off."

True enough Lawson, but I'm relatively certain they could have found someone to rough up.

Is the white hand shakin... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Is the white hand shaking a black hand on a soothing green background too trite?

No, but it IS racist. And what about desert or northern, ice-locked countries - do you want to offend them with a green background?

Can't use red, either. Or blue.

I'm thinking... paisley. Yeah, a nice paisley pattern. Like this....

"Is the white hand shaking ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Is the white hand shaking a black hand on a soothing green background too trite?"


No, its "RACIST" AT ITS CORE!

Obama.worst.president.ever<... (Below threshold)

Obama.worst.president.ever

JPO, Yes, I've noticed that... (Below threshold)
Hank:

JPO, Yes, I've noticed that too.

Retired military, good comments.

On the topic, this plain sucks.
Obama uses the flag when it suits him, for political purposes.

Otherwise, as with this situation, we see what Obama really thinks of the military, the flag, and more importantly, our country.

Looks like I'm not getting ... (Below threshold)

Looks like I'm not getting a retraction or an apology from the Green Douchebag.

Big surprise.

""We are not here as an occ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

""We are not here as an occupation force, but as an international partner committed to supporting the government of Haiti on the road to recovery," the U.S. government's Haiti Joint Information Center said in response to a query about the flag."

No shit, sherlock. So why even bring up the term "occupation force"? Amateurish statement. Again.

A hoisted flag in the case ... (Below threshold)

A hoisted flag in the case of Haiti relief emphasizes benefaction of the American PUBLIC/PEOPLE as as represented by the American state INSTITUTION.

It's a goodwill gesture and a wise one granted from a position of assurance and confidence.

(There, corrected bryanD's major faux pas)

Someone mentioned that Obam... (Below threshold)
sarahb:

Someone mentioned that Obama was elected partially by the wealthy who didn't need to have a clue....... In the very near future they will see that they really did need to have a clue. Soon, if he gets his way the wealthy will be paying tax at the rate of 65%.




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