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Health Care Vote Schedule

Michelle Malkin has a good rundown of today's schedule including the estimated timing of the GOP's Motion to Recommit. Sister Toldjah has more commentary. According to all the reports I am seeing, the Democrats have the votes they need. If they don't then they are going to look especially foolish since they have led everyone in the press to believe they do. Of course that was the strategy though -- create the illusion, then the reality will follow. Of course that reality required more than an illusion. Lots of threats, arm twisting and pay offs were necessary. The Chicago Way.

If the bill does pass expect the media to declare it the fix all for all that has ailed Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Expect their rehabilitation efforts to have some effect, which may or may not be short lived. The media will not remind voters of all that made Obamacare unpopular, and many of the negative ramifications of the policies will not be felt for a while, but candidates will be reminding voters -- from now til November.


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If HCR passes, the GOP will... (Below threshold)
Get Real:

If HCR passes, the GOP will be forced to debate the reality of the bill, and this is what conservatives are really afraid of.

Americans are not going to experience the effects of HCR through the former Alaskan Governor's twitter feed or a snarky blog post. They'll see the real life outcome of the new regulations when their child can be insured despite a pre-existing condition. Or when they have the freedom to start a small business without losing their health coverage.

All I've heard from the right for the last year (or 30 years) about heath care reform are the same lame talking points:

1. They complain about health care in some foreign country, usually Canada or England.

2. They claim our system is the "best in the world", despite the fact that it costs twice as much as any other and fails to insure 1 in 6 Americans.

3. They offer small ideas such as tax shelters for those who have extra cash to stash in a "health savings account". Or they demand more tort reform, which would only make a 2-3% difference and do nothing to solve the real problems.

4. Name calling. Go to a tea party and read the signs. Go to any right-wing blog and read the comments. I'm sure I'll be called every name in the book for pointing this out but I really couldn't care less. You all know exactly what I'm talking about. It's pitiful.

If this passes, I'll be front and center defending it all the way until November and beyond. Republicans are playing small ball - a short-term political game to get them through the midterms. Democrats aren't playing a political game. This is about policy, not politics, and they're in it for the long run.

Elections come and go, but HCR will be here to stay.


Get real - this bill is the... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Get real - this bill is the begining of te end if the DimRats.

Sad that the only comment i... (Below threshold)
Frank:

Sad that the only comment is a coolaide drinking dem. It is my hope that this passes this week, Obama get's his healthcare plan that takes affect in 4 years and then in November the dems get so whacked in the elections that this pile of crap can be overturned and withstand a veto. That will be the ultimate slap to Obama and he will become a lameduck the earliest is history. Now, that is the history making event that I can't wait for - Lame Duck in less than 2 years!

Why does it need to withsta... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Why does it need to withstand a veto? A Republican president with a Republican House and Senate will repeal it in 2013.

Final Rasmussen poll: 41% f... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Final Rasmussen poll: 41% for/54% opposed.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

Get Real. Pull your head out of your liberal ass. It's only JUST BEGINNING if the bill passes today.

Micahel - your fix of a rep... (Below threshold)
Frank:

Micahel - your fix of a republican President and Congress can't take place until 2013. Law passed by congress which can withstand a Presidential veto can take place in 2010 - this year. We can do it 3 years earlier than your scenario if we take back the congress and withstand a veto in 2011. I just want to speed up the process than wait until Obama is out in 4 years - but I like your thinking that this will be a 1 term President.

IF the bill dies today, Bar... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

IF the bill dies today, Barry will have become a lame duck even before the November elections. And Nancy will be up to her ass in IOU's, whether the bill passes or not. Come November she can also kiss off even being minority leader. Steny Hoyer has to be laughing behind her back on that one.

I don't think Obama is even... (Below threshold)
Michael:

I don't think Obama is even going to run. He ego can't take the chance of defeat. Biden will be the 2012 sacrificial lamb.

Get lost - <blockquot... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Get lost -

1. They complain about health care in some foreign country, usually Canada or England.
Yes, because if you are going to socialize medicine then it makes sense to look at where it has been tried and the fact that it is worse than what we have here in terms of quality is germane to the discussion. I know socialists like yourself don't like having that fact pointed out, but there it is.
2. They claim our system is the "best in the world", despite the fact that it costs twice as much as any other and fails to insure 1 in 6 Americans.
Yes, and yet most of those are temporarily uninsured due to unemployment and the solution to that is not to socialize it for everyone. A large number of the rest are self employed and you can make it easier for them to participate in the insurance market without socializing it.

And even with the uninsured we manage to treat people sooner and more effectively than any other system in the world. Go figure.

It is Best in the World. Show me data which shows our outcomes are worse than anywhere else. You can't.

3. They offer small ideas such as tax shelters for those who have extra cash to stash in a "health savings account". Or they demand more tort reform, which would only make a 2-3% difference and do nothing to solve the real problems.

Actually 3 % would work out to be $60 B annually. That's not nothing. You are ignorant of economics as well as healthcare. And actually it would be more than that. People who need health care savings accounts are not rich. The Kennedy's don't need it but my engineer friend who is a consultant does. He is decidedly middle class and he cannot afford an expensive policy for his family. If he were in a company he would get his insurance pretax (tax sheltered for you, but you wouldn't understand since I'm given to understand hat you are from Canada anyway) but since he is self employed he doesn;t get that benefit. It is a well known flaw of the existing system. Obama doesn't want to fix it because he wants to have people without insurance as a reason to socialize it.
4. Name calling. Go to a tea party and read the signs. Go to any right-wing blog and read the comments. I'm sure I'll be called every name in the book for pointing this out but I really couldn't care less. You all know exactly what I'm talking about. It's pitiful.

Your just ignorant. You can't argue about facts and the failures of socialized medicine. You try to claim that the failures of socialized medicine elsewhere are not relevant to the discussion so you can avoid the uncomfortable truth.

Get Lost - Last ti... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Get Lost -

Last time we tangled on this issue you ran away rather than answer the hard questions

http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/08/5-yr-cancer-survival-rates-us-dominates.html

if as you say 1 in six Americans has no insurance and we assume that it falls roughly evenly male and female then please explain why the survival rates for Prostate ca, Breast ca, melanoma, and Uterine ca all are at or above the rate at which people are insured. How are they being treated? If our system is failing them then why do they live and their counterparts in Europe who are protected by the great government run systems dying?

The answer is that we manage to treat people without insurance anyway. We always have. Just as the uninsured woman that Obama used s a prop last week is getting treated for free at the Cleveland Clinic, one of the worlds best cancer centers.

You are ignorant and a liar.

The really funny thing is t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The really funny thing is the impression I get from liberals is that if this bill passes, IT WILL ALL BE OVER. And they can move on. They don't seem to realize that the Senate will have to act on the House "fix". And completely ignore that the bill is going to wind up in court. Barry, Nancy and Harry are acting as though they'll move smoothly into election season with the bill behind them. IT WILL BE FRONT AND CENTER DURING THE ENTIRE ELECTION CYCLE. Talk about gamblers. They talked themselves into believing they'll lose 'some' seats, I seriously doubt they've even considered they might lose a lot more. When the poll numbers show you are at a 41/54 disadvantage, the smart move would be to change course. But then, no one has ever accused Barry, Nancy or Harry of being smart.

Garandfan,I think ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Garandfan,

I think you are right. The problem is going to be that the media, which has never given much time to the anti-Obamacare side will just ignore it. The bill will have been signed. The discussion will be over. There will be no allowance for anyone who wants to talk about getting rid of it.

Expect the media to go through a short period of self congratulation and then change the subject.

It is a good thing I am not... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

It is a good thing I am not blogging right now because I would not be able to contain my anger. We are looking into the face of evil and it has a smile on its face.

Say this bill passes, what ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Say this bill passes, what do the Dem's think will happen when they introduce legislation to hire 16,000 IRS employees to check people for health care insurance? Do they actually think the Republicans are not going to ask why this continuing cost WAS NOT ADDED TO THE ORIGINAL COST ESTIMATE OF HEALTH CARE? Or are those agents going to 'work for FREE'? What happens when the young decide to 'pay the fine' rather than purchase health care? After all, there will no longer be any 'pre-existing' condition restrictions for purchase when you actually need it. What happens when those 'extra dollars' don't show up? Now let's move to the 'Cadillac tax'. People don't like paying taxes. They avoid them. What happens when the Cadillac plans are modified and/or a later Democratic Congress attempts to shelter workers health plans from those taxes. How will that money be replaced?

THIS IS NOT OVER. The Brit Parliament spends a lot of their time each year, 'tweaking' their health care system. EVERY YEAR. This is not what they envisioned when they created National Health Care in 1945. Today they argue why their district doesn't have a clinic, or why their local clinic has long wait times.

Jim m you give the MSM too... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Jim m you give the MSM too much credit. Is Fox just going to move on? Is Rush just going to move? I don't think so. This is a major miscalculation by the Dims and the MSM is not going to save them.

Get Real says:<blockq... (Below threshold)
StevefromMKE:

Get Real says:

1. They complain about health care in some foreign country, usually Canada or England.

If by complain you mean how many Canadians run on down here for their health care instead of staying put with their supposed superior system, then sure...

2. They claim our system is the "best in the world", despite the fact that it costs twice as much as any other and fails to insure 1 in 6 Americans.

You assume that "insuring" is equated with getting actual care. Just as with #1, if it's so bad and rotten, to listen to left drone on and on, why do so many people come here for our services GR? When's the last time Canada or Sweden led in the medical innovation like the U.S. has? Are you seriously telling me the wait times for basic procedures and things like MRI's are faster in Canada? You're a fool if you think so.

3. They offer small ideas such as tax shelters for those who have extra cash to stash in a "health savings account". Or they demand more tort reform, which would only make a 2-3% difference and do nothing to solve the real problems.

Ah yes, damn that pesky freedom! How dare people want to take control over their own healthcare costs! And I make less than $35K a year and don't consider myself someone who has "extra cash". Nothing like some know-nothing trying to play the class envy card. Then again, I love my HRA and wouldn't consider Medicaid or something like Americhoice as an alternative. As far as tort reform, do you realize how much money a doctor pays every year for malpractice insurance? It's in the six figures for some. Don't sit there and tell me that tort reform is some non-starter, because doctor's deal with this everyday and instead providing care, they have to look over their shoulder for some nitwit like you who has some ambulance chaser waiting to pounce.

4. Name calling. Go to a tea party and read the signs. Go to any right-wing blog and read the comments. I'm sure I'll be called every name in the book for pointing this out but I really couldn't care less. You all know exactly what I'm talking about. It's pitiful.

Go to your average left-wing blog...your side perfected the name calling trick..

Piglosi was overheard telli... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Piglosi was overheard telling Hoyer today:
'Steny, we have to get to 217. None of these members wants to be the deciding vote'

The Dems are SO FUCKING PROUD of this, they don't want to be known as the person who made it possible!

Novemeber 2010. Pray we take the country back via the ballot box. Pray.

If not, then 2011 onwards will be ugly...VERY!

For those liberals who beli... (Below threshold)
retired military:

For those liberals who believe what Obama says about the healthcare bill I ask that you

a. go to the middle east and ask the former GITMO detainees their opinion.

Oh umm wait. they are still in GITMO even though Obama promised to close it in a year.

b. Wait for the 5 days it is online before he signs it and then ask people what they think.

Oh wait. They havent had a bill online 5 days prior to his signing despite what he said.

c. Review the hundreds of days of CSPAN footage to determine the best plan for the country.

Oh wait. Obama only had 8 hours or so on CSPAN despite what he said and the back room deals didnt get aired.

In short. Obama fools you once and shame on him. Obama fools you time after time after time and you are the fool if you believe him.


1. They complain a... (Below threshold)
Marc:
1. They complain about health care in some foreign country, usually Canada or England.
Yeah well, that what happens when the current power structure attempts to turn the US into Europe.

I notice you fail to note the other valid argument, our long-standing complaints about RomneyCare.

Insurance rates have gone up, not down, hospitals are suing the Mass government over loss of revenue, and the dirty little secret obama has flooded Mass with CASH keeping the program afloat while he turns American into a serfdom.

I have not seen so much pol... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

I have not seen so much political action from so many citizens since the Reagan Revolution. That is what the liberals have done. Made regular, everyday, hard working tax payers take time out of their busy schedules to get involved in this travesty of a bill. Conservatives and independents do not like being ignored. ww

"Or when they have th... (Below threshold)
John S:

"Or when they have the freedom to start a small business without losing their health coverage..."

They still lose their coverage. The difference is now someone has to budget $1,500 month for an individual health insurance under threat of IRS fine or imprisonment before they can spend a single dime on their new business. Result: fewer new businesses and a lot less new jobs. The only practical effect of Obamacare before the November election is a rectroactive trillion dollar tax increase on the healthcare industry and American businesses. All of which will be passed onto consumers. You can pretty much count on a double dip recession by the fall elections.




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