I overwhelmingly approve of firing Barry. Mmmm mmm mmm.

I disagree that he's dead wrong. American voters aren't supposed to vote out of ignorance. Almost half saw through Obama's thin skin resume and could see the radical beneath. The rest were gullible, but hopefully at least half again of those had a "Fool me once, shame on you" moment.

First of all, winning 53% of the vote is hardly "overwhelming."

Second, Obama continues to insist that his agenda is not a socialist one, so, if we're to believe Obama, it's not a platform that he was elected on.

I'm sure Rahm has now instructed Sharpton to keep his pie hole closed.

Many Americans felt they needed to vote in a "person of color", as some sort of pennance for America's troubled past as regards race.

This is a FACT.

I sure hope they got all the "absolution" they needed, 'cause the man they elected is hell bent on destroying this country...by "Fundamentally transforming it" into a Socialist Paradise. Sharpton won't say it again, I'm sure...but he was telling the truth, for once.

I think some of the 53% did not know what the hell they were voting for....with no regard of its conseqences.

Background check Fail.

Oh Lordy, now we're quoting a man like Sharpton!

This speaks more of what a hack [I tried a few other descriptive words here, but I wanted to remain congenial here] he is than what Obama does or does not represent.

53% of the 56.8% of the eligible voters who voted is not a majority in any sense of the word.

With Obamacare being forced down our throats, now is not the time to shrivel away. Now is the time to stand up and fight back harder then ever before. Will you join us on a campaign to DESTROY THE MOUTHPIECE OF OBAMA'S SOCIALIST AGENDA, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA? WE ARE IN A FIGHT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY, A FIGHT FOR OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE. Join the fight here, http://sosssn.blogspot.com/

Has anyone told O'Reilly what Sharpton said? He seemed put out that people would consider Obama a Socialist.

epador has a point. Sharpton opens his mouth and whatever pours forth is automatically horse shit. It needs no quoting or countering.

But then hey, it can be fun to point and laugh once in a while.

Been so pissed off with recent events that I haven't felt like commenting. But, as the anger of watching my country go down the tubes subsides somewhat.....

Agree with epador. Why Sharpton has enough credibility to be heard on any issue is beyond me.

But the real reason we're where we are today is the dishonesty of Obama himself and the MSM who continue to provide him cover.

As for Sharptons comments...
Since when are his comments or thoughts based on reality?

Been so pissed off with recent events that I haven't felt like commenting. But, as the anger of watching my country go down the tubes subsides somewhat.....

Stop being such a drama queen. The world won't "fall apart" now just like it didn't when social security was enacted, or medicare.

The only thing that goes down the tubes is the faux-compassion people like you display for your fellow Americans when the camera's on. It's clear none of you give two sh*ts about anyone but yourselves on this planet - and are happy to let others know that with your actions.

"It's clear none of you give two sh*ts about anyone but yourselves on this planet - and are happy to let others know that with your actions."

Wha? Good morning to You too@!

Good ol' SteveP seems to believe that if you don't support forcing people to help other people, you oppose helping people.

It doesn't even occur to him that what we oppose is the part about FORCE.

If Social Security wasn't enacted, we'd still have the elderly dying on the streets, destitute, or burdening their families with costly health issues or infermities that require one or more to stay home with them and not be able to work.

The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will not do things for the good of others unless pushed to do so. If you really think a U.S. where everyone fends for themselves on all fronts is a utopia - and that the old and sick will "somehow get by or pull themselves up by their bootstraps", you're both callous and delusional.

Try not to lie to yourself. That $150 dollars you gave to the earthquake relief fund doesn't exempt you from worrying about your fellow man for a full year.

Do I want to spend more on ANYTHING? Hell no I don't. But unlike some of you, I do live by the phrase, "There but for the Grace of God go I."

Learn it - or stop calling yourself a Christian if, by chance, you do.

"The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will not do things for the good of others unless pushed to do so"

How can You mke that statement? You know probably only Yourself well enough to know ad judge Your own intent. You cannot possibly know what motivates the majority.

"Try not to lie to yourself. That $150 dollars you gave to the earthquake relief fund doesn't exempt you from worrying about your fellow man for a full year."

I dont worry, it promotes stress, ruins the quality of life and leads to all kinds of health related issues, of which I have zero.

"Learn it - or stop calling yourself a Christian if, by chance, you do."

Typical liberal...Tlling others what to say or and think.

"If Social Security wasn't enacted, we'd still have the elderly dying on the streets, destitute, or burdening their families with costly health issues"

?? In reading history, I don't recall FDR mentioning "people dying in the streets".

"The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will not do things for the good of others unless pushed to do so."

Uh, Stevie, don't go there. All studies done in the past about charitable contributions have shown that LIBERALS give the LEAST. And your quote seems to be saying that robbery by the government is okay.

Oh, and Stevie, you forgot to add:

WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?

But you better be prepared for someone to mention that Jesus never said anything about TAKING. He talked about GIVING.

Or is this more of that liberal NewSpeak? You know; strength is weakness, good is bad, right is wrong. Now we can add "taking is giving".

Any more sob stories Stevie? How about when this country hits the wall and no one will let us borrow any more money. You going to advocate that we start TAKING from other countries to feed our entitlements Stevie?

People who wanted this health care have no qualms about picking other people pockets. It appears they are more of the "have-nots", then "haves" and want a piece of the pie without help baking it.
Of course they are ready to say we are so selfish and not caring for others.
Usual comeback.

Uh, Stevie, don't go there. All studies done in the past about charitable contributions have shown that LIBERALS give the LEAST.

He also overlooks the role of government force in depleting the ability of people to help voluntarily.

re: "The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will not do things for the good of others unless pushed to do so."

You really should stop hanging out with liberals, then.

Remember a couple months back when calling someone a "socialist" was a racial insult? It's hard to keep up.

People who wanted this health care have no qualms about picking other people pockets. It appears they are more of the "have-nots", then "haves" and want a piece of the pie without help baking it.

I guess that just characterizes EVERYONE who has trouble affording $1280 a month for their families health insurance and was laid off in the last two years.

Ignorant. Ugly. Callous and Self-Centered. Proud of yourself?

Hey S.P.
...I have a lot of feeling for people who have been laid off because the GOV'T screwed up the economy by allowing people who couldn't afford houses to buy them all in the name of everybody having a equal share.

Who I don't have pity for are the low-lifes who tried to live off of other people.

Regardless how much someone might need something..you still don't have the right to pick someone else's pocket. It is not your money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The gov't has no right to take it from me to give to someone else. End of story.

Aside from all that...they is NO MONEY...for this monster..I don't think it is fair for future generations to buy for this so people like you can feel good about yourself.We can not afford SS and Medicare...how the hell are we going to pay for this. You are all emotions and no common sense.
PS...these people still get the best of health car whether the paid for it or not.

It is not your money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ugly? Ignorant? Callous and self-centered? Better look at your mirror, guy - you're describing yourself and projecting it onto everyone you disagree with.

Now, I know you're just jerking off on this thread, and I really shouldn't validate your fantasies about being one of the repressed and downtrodden - but here's a little clue.

You and your 'friends', who don't recognize anything resembling unforced charity, who insist on having government force out of others what you won't do on your own - your influence is waning. You've come out of the shadows now - and we see you for what you are. You were somewhat effective in the shadows - now that you're out in the light you're laughable in your posturing.

And there's a hell of a lot more range of charity or support than the duality you so feverently embrace. Either government forces it, or nothing happens? That's a fool's argument, and you're aware of it.

But you know - I'm glad to see you arguing here. You're emblematic proof of the bankrupcy of your ideology. As Mag points out - there's no money. Look at what's been happening in California for an example - they've pushed hard to be PC and eco-correct, giving out everything to everyone and stopping everything that wasn't 'environmentally conscious' enough.

And look at them now. That's what you want, Steve P? A failing state that promises everything but can't deliver? Massively in debt, with miserable amounts of taxes? That's shoved out the talent, shoved out the production? It used to be a rich state, and look at it now. The 'Progressives' have damn near ruined it.

Forgive us if we don't want the rest of the country to look like that.

"So Sharpton is correct, Kim is in denial."

Denial of what? That 53% of the electorate are so stupid they voted for race instead of substance? Obama is way more than 2 click's to the left of Booosh!! He has sextupled the deficit his first year out. Now with this monstrosity he has guaranteed a landslide for conservatives in november and beyond.

Yes, but only the gullible idiots actually believed that "moderate" crap. It was obviously bullshit.

bryanD wrote:

Obama is 2 clicks left of that. A logical progression in kind.

Not really. To quote Joe Biden, this is a big fucking deal.

I'd respond to Steve, but I'm busy kicking puppies and drowning kittens right now.

SteveP wrote:

I guess that just characterizes EVERYONE who has trouble affording $1280 a month for their families health insurance and was laid off in the last two years.

I'm not sure who it is you're talking about, but they're going to be in really bad shape once their $1280 per month premium goes up to $3500 a month because insurers are forced to take pre-existing conditions without rating, forced to eliminate policy limits, forced to provide colonoscopies for free, and forced to reduce the percentage of their administrative costs.

Then, after private insurance is eliminated by this bill, our hypothetical family will find that their taxes have just gone through the roof to pay for the cost of free medical care for everyone. They'll also find their cost of living doubling every year to keep pace with the taxes.

They'll also find that they are now forced into the public option, where they have to wait 6 months to see a family doctor, 12 months for an MRI and three years for knee surgery. Unless, of course, they know one of the union thugs or political hacks sitting on the medical boards. If the medical board approves the knee surgery in the first place. Once they get to see the doctor, they'll find that he or she is a dumbass, because none of the smart people will go into medicine like they used to.

Once they get to see the doctor, they'll find that he or she is a dumbass, because none of the smart people will go into medicine like they used to.

32. Posted by iwogisdead |

DING DING DING DING DING!!! You win the prize.
I wonder how long it will be before things get really crappy. I'm getting a little older and hope I can outlast these bastards.

I can't change the channel fast enough when I see Al Sharpton on the TV. He is just plain creepy. Where does he think his self righteous ass has any creds outside of the ghetto anyway?

Um... JLawson? Cheney was being facetious. Trust me on that one. He was baiting folks, and you swallowed that lure hook, line, and sinker.

Sorry, chum...

J.

JT,
Pretty sure JL is responding to the same sock drawer dweller that CWH is mocking :) (see @23)

"but they're going to be in really bad shape once their $1280 per month premium goes up to $3500 a month because insurers are forced to take pre-existing conditions without rating, f"

steveP[eanut head] would you care to guess what will happen to those that keep their "kids" on their policy?

It might have something to do with their rates sky-rocketing.

SCSIWuzzy is correct. JLawson used the entirety of SteveP's idiotic last paragraph, while I only used one sentence.

If Social Security wasn't enacted, we'd still have the elderly dying on the streets, destitute, or burdening their families with costly health issues or infermities that require one or more to stay home with them and not be able to work.
~SteveP

When Social Security was enacted most older people lived with their married children.
Wives stayed home in those days.
People weren't dying in the streets.

The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will not do things for the good of others unless pushed to do so. If you really think a U.S. where everyone fends for themselves on all fronts is a utopia - and that the old and sick will "somehow get by or pull themselves up by their bootstraps", you're both callous and delusional.
~SteveP

God doesn't force people to do his will or the choice necessary to choose and live the Christian life would be taken away, thereby making faith meaningless.
You want a Utopia, but the Christian God you pretend to speak for doesn't or he wouldn't have turfed Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden.

GENESIS Chapter 3
17 And unto Adam he(God) said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Do I want to spend more on ANYTHING? Hell no I don't. But unlike some of you, I do live by the phrase, "There but for the Grace of God go I."
~SteveP

There are plenty of people who don't want to buy health insurance AT ALL.
There are also large numbers of illegal aliens who should have health insurance paid for by American tax dollars.
The vast majority of people who don't buy their own health care insurance fall into these 2 categories.
Taking the fruit of other people's labour by force is IMMORAL.
Nobody was keeping people like you, SteveP, from forming your own Health Insurance Cooperative and serving the truly needy people you imagine are falling through the safety net.

Learn it - or stop calling yourself a Christian if, by chance, you do.
~SteveP

You may call yourself a Christian, SteveP, but you aren't one.
Christ could have healed everyone and fed everyone in the world when he was on earth but he didn't.
You just don't understand the narrative at all.

Wow -

That stevePus is a stupid little puke, ain't it?

"I guess that just characterizes EVERYONE who has trouble affording $1280 a month for their families health insurance and was laid off in the last two years."

Make sure you give credit where it's due, moron. The same socialist fuckwits that are cramming down unwanted legislation are the same crew that ignored Fannie and Freddie, were proponents of CRA, and rebuffed all oversight.

What's with these dirt-stupid trolls?

When you're worried about what Al Sharpton says then you've already lost the game.

Jay -

Yep, I was responding to Ol' Stevie.

APB -

Hell if I know. All I can figure is they're so stuck in projection mode that their entire world is colored by the rage and self-loathing they won't admit to.

It's not THEM that are intolerant - it's US because we object to being forced to give money as they direct instead of as we see fit. (Kind of interesting how conservatives give more to charity than liberals, isn't it? But then again, liberals are much freer with charity when they aren't paying for it....)

THEY don't hate - WE do, because we're not pissed at the same things they are.

THEY aren't ignorant - chances are Stevie's got a degree in some useful liberal art (perhaps English, or Latin) and WE are the ignorant ones who can't see just how much more smart and capable THEY are for running the world than WE cretins.

Callous and self-centered... well, when you're passing judgement on everyone else, how can you be anything but?

I almost feel sorry for him - but then I get to a point where about all I can do is shake my head. He made himself what he is (or isn't) and he apparently sees nothing wrong with the way he treats others.

That he apparently wants to be able to force people to live, give, and think as he does really doesn't say a whole lot for the much vaunted liberal tolerance.

OK, I'm just gonna pretend I didn't say anything at all in this thread... even here.

J.

JLawson -

It ain't liberal tolerance (tongue-in-cheek, I know)- I think the mindset is surely no different than other liberal geniuses like Chavez, Castro, Stalin, etc. All of a sudden I was reminded of the Rush tune, "Hemispheres." Find it, play it, and listen closely to the lyrics - Neil Peart is a great observer of the human condition.

Not sure what he'd make of stevePus, though.

steveP(rick)sorry to hear you were paying that much for ins. or that you lost your job,blame snobama for that not me.gotta be someones fault dont it,typ lib.

GET OFF STEVIE P'S ASS!!! Veterinarian insurance ain't cheap you know,

If it aint White, Shopton wont bite!

You may call yourself a Christian, SteveP, but you aren't one. Christ could have healed everyone and fed everyone in the world when he was on earth but he didn't. You just don't understand the narrative at all.

What a nice bullshit convenient rationale for supporting doing nothing. Don't know how you call yourself a Christian, but someone who can create a distorted idea of why he/she shouldn't give a damn about everyone's health is far from it.

Sorry. You just are. Sadly, you don't know it.

...someone who can create a distorted idea of why he/she shouldn't give a damn about everyone's health is far from it.~SteveP

Everyone's health?
Look, you commie loser, it's a fact that over 80% of the American people were happy with the healthcare insurance plans and options they already had.
How you dare presume to speak for everyone, you jumped up little twit.
Take your delusions of grandeur and shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

Well, Speller, you're not only wrong, but arrogant. Fortunately, my old college roommate agrees with me and used your ignorance as part of his post. A whole host of others agree with my version of Christianity and not yours. Big surprise:

Get a real life. Your is obviously not living a Christian one.

You and your 'friends', who don't recognize anything resembling unforced charity, who insist on having government force out of others what you won't do on your own - your influence is waning.

Here's the first way, of many, in which you're wrong. To consider healthcare for all as "charity" is pathetic.

Do you really think charities are big enough, funded well enough and managed properly enough to make sure that everyone in our country doesn't have to die because they weren't able to afford the doctor's bill?

Get a clue. Here in NY, if you make 70,000 a year and have a family of three you'll still have a third of your income (as an employee) sucked up by regular deductions (this has been the norm for 20 years - through 2 republican administrations).

When all is said and done, you've got somewhere in the range of $3,900 a month to live on.

Now, rent (if you don't own) is at least $1,000 a month, maybe $500 if you want to live in the South Bronx and fear for your life in a tenement. Next, if you're not receiving health insurance through your company, you are too "rich" to receive Healthy NY (which will still be $850 a month), the program for those who have less than that salary.

Now, you have to get insurance on your own. For two people - even with CHIP (which is around $80 a month per child), you will need to pay around $1150 - $1280.

Then there's commuting, food, gas, electric, etc. Forget about having a car and insurance for that.

Tell me how someone in this circumstance can afford health insurance on their own. And God forbid they get a serious illness and the insurance company drops them.

What I don't want to hear is a bunch of bunk about how they should find another job, go to another state, get another profession, etc.

That's a red herring.

Fact is, these people - working poor (at least in NY terms) - are as deserving of good health as you or I. They're not bums, welfare moms or drug addicts. In fact, most of the people who need this reform aren't.

But it's convenient for you folks to look at them that way. It justifies doing nothing. Care enough about your fellow human beings to make sure they don't meet an unnecessary fate because they didn't become a doctor or lawyer? Guess not.

Fact is, this reform is needed exactly because people like you can find a million justifications not to be charitable enough.

I contributed $2,000 to Red Cross for the Haiti disaster. More than I could really afford. Why did I do it? Because I can manage without that money, they can't. If I had to pay that much more per year and ensure others HERE don't die for some stupid reason having to do with insurance companies, so be it.

The reason these reforms are made are because people like you have a million excuses for not parting with enough money to make any kind of real difference. Want to call it tyranny? I call it putting the selfish in their place.