No worries, employment is rising.
Yeah right!
What else could go wrong with such a brilliant group of leaders?

Well, now they've stepped in it, haven't they.

They just screwed over another major voting block that isn't going to welcome the news that they've just be robbed of a lifetime investment because of a Democrat change in the tax law.

I really can't wait to see the election night coverage as the Democrat Party becomes a minority for generations, all by their own hand.

What? I suppose you are suggesting that someone should have read the bill before they voted on it. You're a racist!

The early reports are now coming out and they are beyond our worst fears. People are not going to lose their insurance in 4 years. They are going to lose it this year. The silver lining if there is any is that this will keep the pressure on to repeal this mess.

And as for the economy turning around, Florida just reported unemployment at 12.2% the highest rate ever recorded.

Obama has taken a failing economy and delivered a death blow. My take is that he wanted to do just that. Like he and his minions have frequently said: "Never let a good crisis go to waste." And there is nothing like creating a crisis in order to justify subjugating 300 million people to your will.

HughS - You left out an important part of the AT&T story:

"Yet companies that still offer retiree drug benefits, mostly older industrial concerns or those with unionized employees, say the end of the deduction could force them to alter their benefit plans. In other words, they might curtail or even cancel them."

"Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you," the president told residents of the Garden State. "First of all, if you've got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you." "When I say 'If you have your plan and you like it,... or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans,'"

OH, did anyone notice the CBO revised their predicts for the 2011 obama budget?

They were "only off" by a bit under 2 billion and now they project by 2020 we will be 10 trillion dollars in the hole and that will be 90% of the countries GDP.

Greece just got a "bailout" as they sit with a debt of 115% of their GDP.

Gee, I wonder what California's debt to the states GDP ratio is?

Marc

"First of all, if you've got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."

Thanks for the reminder

I'm sure that 'the smartest Administration, evah!' will have solutions.

HEY! Single Payer! Yeah, that'll work!

Next for the "Commerce Clause" will be: Doctors SHALL work for what we are willing to pay. Pharmacies SHALL fill prescriptions for what we are willing to pay. Citizens SHALL purchase GM or Chrysler products. After all, it's for "the public good".

Well, it's a monumental blunder to have Democrats in control of the federal government, so it's only natural there would be monumental blunders in the laws they enact.

The answer to failed socialism is always more socialism.

The answer to vocal dissent is threats, violence and ultimately making it illegal.

Anybody who thinks this is an accident please raise your hand.

The numbers that I've read are the Government won't get the $5.4 billion and drug benefits cost companies $600 a person but will cost Medicare a $1000 a person. The policy guys, of the Bush administration, worked very hard on this calculation to keep their drug bill costs down while giving each retire the maximum benefits. Obama blew it. This little miscalculation probably puts the new bill over the trillion dollar mark and it isn't even a week old yet.

The goal here just in case some of you don't understand is to destroy all the private health insurance plans except for the ones the Gov't guys enjoy. Next step will be to "criticize" the loss of benefits and demand "justice" for the retirees who lost their benefits. The taxsuckers are going to have single payer so they can kill of the old folks one way or another.

Sorry I couldn't raise my hand I was too busy pouring myself a drink to deal with this crap.

Seriously, My take is that Obama will look at this and say, "It's not a bug. It's a feature!" This provides him with 2 new narratives: 1) greedy corporations are shirking their obligations and dumping patients on the government. and 2) If the GOP had cooperated in drafting the legislation, the bill would have avoided this pitfall so we must now focus all the energy on amending the bill to give it greater funding and make it work even better.

Remember every failure of the government healthcare plan is just another opportunity to expand it and demand more money from tax payers. So not only was there no need to get this right there was no desire to.

I'd like to add 'the stunning stupidity' of the GOP for not poring over the bill and highlighting one of these issues every day of every week. It's as if, as was said, that the GOP felt they won when Brown was elected, that they rested their case.

Steve you are wrong, many business people and congressional people brought it to the attention of Obama and well as congressional leadership. They couldn't be bothered, well really who wrote the bill?

Steve,

Are you really that dumb?

The GOP did bring up many issues and the fact that employers would dump their plans was one that got mentioned very early on. For some reason useful idiots like yourself managed not to hear objections when the GOP raised them. You can't have it both ways. You can't refuse to listen and them blame the opposition for not making you hear their objections.

Again, you need remedial education on how the US government works. Scott Brown was elected to the Senate. His election meant that the dems would not be able to draft a compromise between the House and Senate bills. The dems were forced to pass the Senate bill as the Senate passed it. That's why all the payoffs for Stupak and his friends. They objected to the language of the Senate bill.

Note also that even with 34 dems voting against the bill and every GOP rep voting against it it still passed. The dems never needed the GOP and the GOP could never stop the dems from passing it on a party line vote.

Why is it that dem supporters are so stupid that they cannot tell the difference between the House and Senate and they cannot see that the dems hold majorities large enough that they do not need a republican to vote for their bills?

Instead, they have given businesses a reason to dump their retirees out of the private networks and into the Part D system now.

Since what these guys really want is single payer, I wouldn't be so sure that this is unforeseen. The more people they get off of private plans and onto public ones, the closer they get to their overall goal.

There are blunders abounding in Barrys tapioca flavored unicorn dream? Who'd thunk it possible that the affirmative action hero would have screwed us every which way but loose?

I must have missed those slight trillion dollar oversights during the scintillating C-span coverage?

914 -

Hey, with Obama a few Trillion dollars is just a rounding error.

Thats all too true jim m.. 6 Trillion here, triscuit there, what the hell does he care? He gets to ride off into the sunset a multi- millionaire and leave us all holding the bag.

Barry gets an A+ in Con-Man 101

Rest assured, this bill establishes an entire infrastructure with with to deliver Universal Healthcare. Every time I read a few pages I have visions of an Orwellian "Ministry of Health".

Oops, the above should read "with which". How embarassing to typo my first time here.

jim m

Yes - sturm really IS that dumb.

You can put lipstick on a pig in a poke, but it's still a pig in a poke.

One thing I noticed about Obama very early in his campaign was his very specific wording of some phrases. "You can keep your coverage..." leaves out the most important part: "...if it is still offered." Obama never said the second part, but it was always there. As the fellow on the video said (paraphrasing) single payer is built into the bill. The point was to be able to say government wasn't going to take your plan, knowing full well that most employers would dump the cost by dumping their employees.

★ McCain '08! ★ !80'niaCcM ★ McCain '08! ★ !80'niaCcM ★

Too bad McCain didn't run on being Mr. Anti-Healthcare Reform.

Obama and Clinton both had detailed plans about Healthcare Reform, talked about it for at least a year before the election, and were mostly in agreement about it. If both Dems were talking about enacting Healthcare Reform you have to wonder why the Republicans didn't bring it up.

I wonder if their polling told them that wouldn't be a good idea.

★ McCain '08! ★ !80'niaCcM ★ McCain '08! ★ !80'niaCcM ★

AT&T's billion dollar write off means $350 million less in the coffers of the US Trerasury based on the current corporate tax rate of 35%.

While Obama is probably pleased to see evil profits decline, the consequence is there is less money to tax, which Obama doesn't like.

But wait there is more! The VAT isn't far behind.

"While Obama is probably pleased to see evil profits decline, the consequence is there is less money to tax, which Obama doesn't like."

Siezer is always open to new venues to tax! So while he may feign disappointment in shortfalls in gubermint reciepts this week, next weeks progressive siezures are already in the works. Take nuke reduction for instance? He is attempting to sieze it and you can be damn sure whatever Siezer takes, Siezer extracts his pound of ear flesh for.

And if all else fails Barry can always just print more money and have our great, great, great grandkids start paying down the principle in about 2112

"Obama and Clinton both had detailed plans about Healthcare Reform,"

PROVE IT!

The bond market is about to give Obama the education in basic economics he's been lacking. Already bond rates for the strongest corporations have fallen below Treasuries - the traditional "risk-free" interest benchmark. And the government is going to have a pantload of debt to sell from now on under Obamanomics.

Those with short memories have forgotten Bill Clinton's ambitious first year, when his liberal plans so rattled Wall Street he was forced to shake up his economic team and bring in Rubin to calm the markets. That fall, James Carville declared he was going to dress up as the Bond Market for Halloween, "... because everyone is Washington is scared to death of the bond market!"

With good reason . . .

shorty - "Rest assured, this bill establishes an entire infrastructure with with to deliver Universal Healthcare."

Infrastructure? What infrastructure?

Do you mean all these new boards, commissions and various and sundry other nitwits that will manage this nightmare?

1. Grant program for consumer assistance offices (Section 1002, p. 37)
2. Grant program for states to monitor premium increases (Section 1003, p. 42)
3. Committee to review administrative simplification standards (Section 1104, p. 71)
4. Demonstration program for state wellness programs (Section 1201, p. 93)
5. Grant program to establish state Exchanges (Section 1311(a), p. 130)
6. State American Health Benefit Exchanges (Section 1311(b), p. 131)
7. Exchange grants to establish consumer navigator programs (Section 1311(i), p. 150)
8. Grant program for state cooperatives (Section 1322, p. 169)
9. Advisory board for state cooperatives (Section 1322(b)(3), p. 173)
10. Private purchasing council for state cooperatives (Section 1322(d), p. 177)
11. State basic health plan programs (Section 1331, p. 201)
12. State-based reinsurance program (Section 1341, p. 226)
13. Program of risk corridors for individual and small group markets (Section 1342, p. 233)
14. Program to determine eligibility for Exchange participation (Section 1411, p. 267)
15. Program for advance determination of tax credit eligibility (Section 1412, p. 288)
16. Grant program to implement health IT enrollment standards (Section 1561, p. 370)
17. Federal Coordinated Health Care Office for dual eligible beneficiaries (Section 2602, p. 512)
18. Medicaid quality measurement program (Section 2701, p. 518)
19. Medicaid health home program for people with chronic conditions, and grants for planning same (Section 2703, p. 524)
20. Medicaid demonstration project to evaluate bundled payments (Section 2704, p. 532)
21. Medicaid demonstration project for global payment system (Section 2705, p. 536)
22. Medicaid demonstration project for accountable care organizations (Section 2706, p. 538)
23. Medicaid demonstration project for emergency psychiatric care (Section 2707, p. 540)
24. Grant program for delivery of services to individuals with postpartum depression (Section 2952(b), p. 591)
25. State allotments for grants to promote personal responsibility education programs (Section 2953, p. 596)
26. Medicare value-based purchasing program (Section 3001(a), p. 613)
27. Medicare value-based purchasing demonstration program for critical access hospitals (Section 3001(b), p. 637)
28. Medicare value-based purchasing program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 3006(a), p. 666)
29. Medicare value-based purchasing program for home health agencies (Section 3006(b), p. 668)
30. Interagency Working Group on Health Care Quality (Section 3012, p. 688)
31. Grant program to develop health care quality measures (Section 3013, p. 693)
32. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Section 3021, p. 712)
33. Medicare shared savings program (Section 3022, p. 728)
34. Medicare pilot program on payment bundling (Section 3023, p. 739)
35. Independence at home medical practice demonstration program (Section 3024, p. 752)
36. Program for use of patient safety organizations to reduce hospital readmission rates (Section 3025(b), p. 775)
37. Community-based care transitions program (Section 3026, p. 776)
38. Demonstration project for payment of complex diagnostic laboratory tests (Section 3113, p. 800)
39. Medicare hospice concurrent care demonstration project (Section 3140, p. 850)
40. Independent Payment Advisory Board (Section 3403, p. 982)
41. Consumer Advisory Council for Independent Payment Advisory Board (Section 3403, p. 1027)
42. Grant program for technical assistance to providers implementing health quality practices (Section 3501, p. 1043)
43. Grant program to establish interdisciplinary health teams (Section 3502, p. 1048)
44. Grant program to implement medication therapy management (Section 3503, p. 1055)
45. Grant program to support emergency care pilot programs (Section 3504, p. 1061)
46. Grant program to promote universal access to trauma services (Section 3505(b), p. 1081)
47. Grant program to develop and promote shared decision-making aids (Section 3506, p. 1088)
48. Grant program to support implementation of shared decision-making (Section 3506, p. 1091)
49. Grant program to integrate quality improvement in clinical education (Section 3508, p. 1095)
50. Health and Human Services Coordinating Committee on Women's Health (Section 3509(a), p. 1098)
51. Centers for Disease Control Office of Women's Health (Section 3509(b), p. 1102)
52. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Women's Health (Section 3509(e), p. 1105)
53. Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Women's Health (Section 3509(f), p. 1106)
54. Food and Drug Administration Office of Women's Health (Section 3509(g), p. 1109)
55. National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council (Section 4001, p. 1114)
56. Advisory Group on Prevention, Health Promotion, and Integrative and Public Health (Section 4001(f), p. 1117)
57. Prevention and Public Health Fund (Section 4002, p. 1121)
58. Community Preventive Services Task Force (Section 4003(b), p. 1126)
59. Grant program to support school-based health centers (Section 4101, p. 1135)
60. Grant program to promote research-based dental caries disease management (Section 4102, p. 1147)
61. Grant program for States to prevent chronic disease in Medicaid beneficiaries (Section 4108, p. 1174)
62. Community transformation grants (Section 4201, p. 1182)
63. Grant program to provide public health interventions (Section 4202, p. 1188)
64. Demonstration program of grants to improve child immunization rates (Section 4204(b), p. 1200)
65. Pilot program for risk-factor assessments provided through community health centers (Section 4206, p. 1215)
66. Grant program to increase epidemiology and laboratory capacity (Section 4304, p. 1233)
67. Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee (Section 4305, p. 1238)
68. National Health Care Workforce Commission (Section 5101, p. 1256)
69. Grant program to plan health care workforce development activities (Section 5102(c), p. 1275)
70. Grant program to implement health care workforce development activities (Section 5102(d), p. 1279)
71. Pediatric specialty loan repayment program (Section 5203, p. 1295)
72. Public Health Workforce Loan Repayment Program (Section 5204, p. 1300)
73. Allied Health Loan Forgiveness Program (Section 5205, p. 1305)
74. Grant program to provide mid-career training for health professionals (Section 5206, p. 1307)
75. Grant program to fund nurse-managed health clinics (Section 5208, p. 1310)
76. Grant program to support primary care training programs (Section 5301, p. 1315)
77. Grant program to fund training for direct care workers (Section 5302, p. 1322)
78. Grant program to develop dental training programs (Section 5303, p. 1325)
79. Demonstration program to increase access to dental health care in underserved communities (Section 5304, p. 1331)
80. Grant program to promote geriatric education centers (Section 5305, p. 1334)
81. Grant program to promote health professionals entering geriatrics (Section 5305, p. 1339)
82. Grant program to promote training in mental and behavioral health (Section 5306, p. 1344)
83. Grant program to promote nurse retention programs (Section 5309, p. 1354)
84. Student loan forgiveness for nursing school faculty (Section 5311(b), p. 1360)
85. Grant program to promote positive health behaviors and outcomes (Section 5313, p. 1364)
86. Public Health Sciences Track for medical students (Section 5315, p. 1372)
87. Primary Care Extension Program to educate providers (Section 5405, p. 1404)
88. Grant program for demonstration projects to address health workforce shortage needs (Section 5507, p. 1442)
89. Grant program for demonstration projects to develop training programs for home health aides (Section 5507, p. 1447)
90. Grant program to establish new primary care residency programs (Section 5508(a), p. 1458)
91. Program of payments to teaching health centers that sponsor medical residency training (Section 5508(c), p. 1462)
92. Graduate nurse education demonstration program (Section 5509, p. 1472)
93. Grant program to establish demonstration projects for community-based mental health settings (Section 5604, p. 1486)
94. Commission on Key National Indicators (Section 5605, p. 1489)
95. Quality assurance and performance improvement program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 6102, p. 1554)
96. Special focus facility program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 6103(a)(3), p. 1561)
97. Special focus facility program for nursing facilities (Section 6103(b)(3), p. 1568)
98. National independent monitor pilot program for skilled nursing facilities and nursing facilities (Section 6112, p. 1589)
99. Demonstration projects for nursing facilities involved in the culture change movement (Section 6114, p. 1597)
100. Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1619)
101. Standing methodology committee for Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1629)
102. Board of Governors for Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1638)
103. Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Trust Fund (Section 6301(e), p. 1656)
104. Elder Justice Coordinating Council (Section 6703, p. 1773)
105. Advisory Board on Elder Abuse, Neglect, and Exploitation (Section 6703, p. 1776)
106. Grant program to create elder abuse forensic centers (Section 6703, p. 1783)
107. Grant program to promote continuing education for long-term care staffers (Section 6703, p. 1787)
108. Grant program to improve management practices and training (Section 6703, p. 1788)
109. Grant program to subsidize costs of electronic health records (Section 6703, p. 1791)
110. Grant program to promote adult protective services (Section 6703, p. 1796)
111. Grant program to conduct elder abuse detection and prevention (Section 6703, p. 1798)
112. Grant program to support long-term care ombudsmen (Section 6703, p. 1800)
113. National Training Institute for long-term care surveyors (Section 6703, p. 1806)
114. Grant program to fund State surveys of long-term care residences (Section 6703, p. 1809)
115. CLASS Independence Fund (Section 8002, p. 1926)
116. CLASS Independence Fund Board of Trustees (Section 8002, p. 1927)
117. CLASS Independence Advisory Council (Section 8002, p. 1931)
118. Personal Care Attendants Workforce Advisory Panel (Section 8002(c), p. 1938)
119. Multi-state health plans offered by Office of Personnel Management (Section 10104(p), p. 2086)
120. Advisory board for multi-state health plans (Section 10104(p), p. 2094)
121. Pregnancy Assistance Fund (Section 10212, p. 2164)
122. Value-based purchasing program for ambulatory surgical centers (Section 10301, p. 2176)
123. Demonstration project for payment adjustments to home health services (Section 10315, p. 2200)
124. Pilot program for care of individuals in environmental emergency declaration areas (Section 10323, p. 2223)
125. Grant program to screen at-risk individuals for environmental health conditions (Section 10323(b), p. 2231)
126. Pilot programs to implement value-based purchasing (Section 10326, p. 2242)
127. Grant program to support community-based collaborative care networks (Section 10333, p. 2265)
128. Centers for Disease Control Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
129. Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
130. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
131. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
132. Food and Drug Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
133. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
134. Grant program to promote small business wellness programs (Section 10408, p. 2285)
135. Cures Acceleration Network (Section 10409, p. 2289)
136. Cures Acceleration Network Review Board (Section 10409, p. 2291)
137. Grant program for Cures Acceleration Network (Section 10409, p. 2297)
138. Grant program to promote centers of excellence for depression (Section 10410, p. 2304)
139. Advisory committee for young women's breast health awareness education campaign (Section 10413, p. 2322)
140. Grant program to provide assistance to provide information to young women with breast cancer (Section 10413, p. 2326)
141. Interagency Access to Health Care in Alaska Task Force (Section 10501, p. 2329)
142. Grant program to train nurse practitioners as primary care providers (Section 10501(e), p. 2332)
143. Grant program for community-based diabetes prevention (Section 10501(g), p. 2337)
144. Grant program for providers who treat a high percentage of medically underserved populations (Section 10501(k), p. 2343)
145. Grant program to recruit students to practice in underserved communities (Section 10501(l), p. 2344)
146. Community Health Center Fund (Section 10503, p. 2355)
147. Demonstration project to provide access to health care for the uninsured at reduced fees (Section 10504, p. 2357)
148. Demonstration program to explore alternatives to tort litigation (Section 10607, p. 2369)
149. Indian Health demonstration program for chronic shortages of health professionals (S. 1790, Section 112, p. 24)*
150. Office of Indian Men's Health (S. 1790, Section 136, p. 71)*
151. Indian Country modular component facilities demonstration program (S. 1790, Section 146, p. 108)*
152. Indian mobile health stations demonstration program (S. 1790, Section 147, p. 111)*
153. Office of Direct Service Tribes (S. 1790, Section 172, p. 151)*
154. Indian Health Service mental health technician training program (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 173)*
155. Indian Health Service program for treatment of child sexual abuse victims (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 192)*
156. Indian Health Service program for treatment of domestic violence and sexual abuse (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 194)*
157. Indian youth telemental health demonstration project (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 204)*
158. Indian youth life skills demonstration project (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 220)*
159. Indian Health Service Director of HIV/AIDS Prevention and Treatment (S. 1790, Section 199B, p. 258)*

BTW, any one know what "telemental health" is?

Did obama and congress talk to Dr. Spock or what?

Stunning--a major, costly flaw in this goofy legislation is exposed, and what do our resident lefists do? Blame the Republicans, of course. Amazing.

There's that smell of desperation in the morning again. Oh, hi Adrian.

I really wish he'd shower more often, Cheney. That smell's getting intense...

Don't worry. The bond market is softening and may even collapse. Obama is finding fewer and fewer people to purchase our debt. Soon he will be forced to choose between his dream of taking over the economy and actually having an economy.

I'm betting that he chooses to keep taking over everyone else's lives and decides to monetize our debt.

Here's a poll for you: With the administration saying that high unemployment is with us for a while, by this time next year which will be higher? Unemployment or Inflation?

Gosh, "THE PLAN" moves thousands from the capitalist system paying to the socialist government system paying and you think it's because they didn't know what was in "THE PLAN?"

It's like every Friday night is yet another news dump of Obama blunders to be forgotten by Monday.

"I'd like to add 'the stunning stupidity' of the GOP for not poring over the bill and highlighting one of these issues every day of every week. "

I guess Steve missed this:

Industry groups say they lobbied hard against the change in the tax rules before it was added to the health care law over the winter.

"It was in all of our letters and communications that went up to the Hill, and the companies were heavily involved in that," said Dena Battle, a tax specialist with the National Association of Manufacturers.

Nationwide, companies would take a $14 billion hit on their financial statements if all of the roughly 3,500 companies receiving the subsidies continued to do so, according to a study by Towers Watson, a human resources consulting firm. - AP

You see Steve, for the rest of the world there is more to the news than what the MSM decide is fit to let the unwashed masses know about. People have been fighting against the dems and their take over of the economy and the destruction of our freedoms. Just because you can't be spoon fed it on CNN doesn't mean that it isn't happening.

It's not even 10 am... I guess it's 5 o'clock somewhere, so where's my adult beverage?!?!

Look for Barry and company to dust off and bring out the VAT in coming months. After all, those sophisticated Europeans have had it for years. It's done wonders for their economies. Stagnating since the 1960's with perpetual 10% unemployment rates.

Do you think this wasn't KNOWN, PREMEDITATED AND ABSOLUTELY DELIBERATE????? It means even more people under the thumb of Big Brother. That's what the whole damned LAW is about!!!

This just in! Nancy Pelosi was right! They had to pass it in order to find out what's in it!

According to a report by Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation, the individual mandate in Obamacare lacks any real enforcement mechanism:

"The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is assessed through the Code and accounted for as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. However, it is not subject to the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code. The use of liens and seizures otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. Non-compliance with the personal responsibility requirement to have health coverage is not subject to criminal or civil penalties under the Code and interest does not accrue for failure to pay such assessments in a timely manner."

Oooops!

These blunders and many more were pointed out long before it was voted on the last time. Now these hypotheticals are becoming the liberals' conundrum of actualities.