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Unmixing Nuts

In a recent comment, I compared and contrasted the differences in the "nuts" on the left and right ends of the political spectrum. Because while both sides have their dangerous whackjobs, there are significant distinguishing aspects as to how they express their nuttiness. I felt like there was more to be said, so I thought I'd expand on those ideas here.

The first thought I had was that the far left is passionate, while the far right is efficient.

To the left, political extremism is a way to express outrage. They are furious, and they want the whole world to know just how outraged they are. They are loud, they are proud, and they are shouting it to the rooftops.

To the right, it's about getting things done. Right-wing nutjobs aren't overly interested in individual glory and fame; they just see what they percieve as a great injustice, and will do whatever it takes to right it.

To the leftist nutjobs, political extremism is a social activity. When they want to go nuts, they find as many like-minded nuts as they can to feed their craziness and egg each other on. They build whole social networks around their extremism.

To the rightie nutjobs, political extremism is an obligation. It's a duty, an onerous task. And it's a risky one. That's why it must be done in secret, in isolation or in small groups, because exposure doesn't bring glory, but defeat.

Both are also expressions of ego. But on the left, it's about "look at me and how outrageous I am!,' while the right is saying "look at what I have done."

In brief, leftist extremism is fun, while right-wing extremism is work.

The examples I cited in that earlier comment demonstrate this: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn vs. Timothy McVeigh. Ayers and Dohrn formed the Weather Underground with a bunch of friends and lovers and whatnot, published their manifestos and screeds, and set up their bombs around the country to express their outrage.

McVeigh, on the other hand, recruited one buddy and set off one big bomb.

In the end, McVeigh and Terry Nichols achieved far more than all the Weather Underground ever did with their bombs; McVeigh took out a whole federal building and almost 200 people, while the biggest score the Weather Underground ever pulled off was an "own goal" where they blew themselves up.

It's also illustrative in how the "mainstream" left and right treat their nutjobs. McVeigh is universally seen as a monster, and nearly everyone is glad he was caught and executed. On the other hand, Ayers and Dohrn were allowed to put their past behind them (without even a public repenting), and were allowed to assume positions of authority and responsibility and trust.

Another distinction worth noting is that there are a lot more left-wing nuts than right-wing nuts. It's easier to get passionately worked up about a cause than to become whole-heartedly dedicated to one. Most people, when given the choice between "fun" and "work," will choose "fun."

Another distinction that might or might not be significant is the nutjobs' perception of America. To many on the far left, America is a bad, bad place, and the source of much of what is evil in the world. Smashing America -- or, at least, the government and social and economic fabrics of the nation -- would make the world a better place. They love humanity so much, they must destroy America as it is to save it.

On the right, their hatred is reserved for factions that they believe are out to destroy America. Their motivation is love of country -- an idealized, fantasy America where their beliefs prevail and those who hate it are the enemy. The world is filled with evil people, including even some Americans, and they must be defeated to save the nation.

So, whose nuts are more of a problem? Tough call. On a one-to-one basis, the right-wingers are more dangerous. They aren't deterred when things stop being "fun" -- that happened a while ago. They've got far more of themselves invested in their causes. And they've put far more effort into training and education and skills -- when a right-wing nut sets out to do something, they're far mroe capable of wreaking havoc.

On the other hand, they're a lot slower to anger. One healthy component of education and training is a sense of responsibility for what one is capable of doing. The vast majority of gun owners, for example, are exceptionally aware of what their guns can do, and go to great lengths to make damned certain that bad things don't happen with them. And that sense of responsibility means that they will take a hell of a lot of provocation before they lash back with everything at their disposal.

For the leftists, the leap to extermism is much easier. It doesn't demand the dedication and commitment as the right does. Plus, there's the social atmosphere -- left-wing nuts are more welcoming and trusting of new converts, and not as paranoid about infiltration and betrayal. When one makes the leap to the left, there's no sense of "going it alone," but "joining the cause."

So, naturally, there are more leftist nuts out there than their right-wing counterparts. And there is strength in numbers. Enough, quite often, to outweigh the dangers of their far more competent and committed opposites. Joseph Stalin once famously noted that in some cases, "quantity has a quality all its own."

So, the question remains: how best to deal with the nuts? Well, for one, grandstanding about them doesn't make much sense. These people are at least partially motivated by ego, and to have prominent figures go on TV and talk about how scary they are gives them a happy. And blaming the leadership or rank and file of a political movement for "egging them on" or, at least, tolerating them and enabling them to engage in their nuttiness is pretty much pointless, too -- they aren't the ones doing the nutty things, they don't particularly like the nuts, and they don't like being lumped in with them when they haven't done anything wrong.

If anything, there's also the chance that you can end up pushing some borderline nuts over the edge. "Hell, if I'm going to get blamed for it, I might as well do it. Besides, those whiny jerks think they've seen bad things happen? Wait'll I show them just how bad things can get for them."

Karl Rove and Representative Eric Cantor both have been the subject of numerous threats over the years, and they both said last week that the way they handle them is to quietly inform the authorities of the threats -- not to hold hysterical press conferences where they can cry victim and point fingers.

Good advice. A lot of people could stand to hear it, and follow it.


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There's no such thing as a ... (Below threshold)

There's no such thing as a 'dangerous weapon,' there are only dangerous men.

Ya forgot one thing JT. Wh... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Ya forgot one thing JT. When a left wing nut does something there are EXCUSES galore offered for their behavior. With a right wind nut-job, their CRIMINAL. No further discussion wanted or desired. Billy and Bernie were 'lashing out'. McVeigh was a 'baby killer'. Yet both had blood on their hands.

And blaming the le... (Below threshold)
jim m:
And blaming the leadership or rank and file of a political movement for "egging them on" or, at least, tolerating them and enabling them to engage in their nuttiness is pretty much pointless, too -- they aren't the ones doing the nutty things, they don't particularly like the nuts, and they don't like being lumped in with them when they haven't done anything wrong.

I deeply disagree. One of the primary differences between liberals and conservatives is how they deal with their extremists. Conservatives reject them and put them out of the movement. Liberal embrace them. They become icons. Liberals revere Castro, Chavez, Che and other savage dictators. Che was a psychopathic mass murderer and liberals pay good money to wear his image on their clothing. Obama supporters were proud to display a Che flag in their campaign offices.

Today Ayers and Dohrn are respected thought leaders of 'progressivism'. No one cares that they were part of a murderous group of domestic terrorists and that Ayers is proudly on the record that they should have done more. More what? One can only presume that he means they should have killed more innocent people to get their way.

Liberals see there extremists as just getting the job done that the rest of hem are too squeamish to do. They do not condemn them like conservatives do. They excuse their actions. They blame the actions on conservatives. Conservatives provoke the liberal extremists by holding incorrect views.

We see it in the political discourse today. Democrat politicians scream bloody murder about conservative 'threats of violence' most of which are frauds and there is compelling evidence that they are false (OK except for the 30 story giant. They caught us on that one). Meanwhile hey ignore or excuse the daily violence done against conservatives. They shoot our our windows. They slash our tires. They attempt to intimidate us at the polls with clubs and the Obama administration protects hem from prosecution.

Jay, you can try to compare liberal and conservative extremists, but you are only falling into their trap of playing the "they do the same thing" game.

You want liberal efficiency, Look at any dictatorship. Look at the communist states. They are all extremely efficient at suppressing dissent and controlling the people through fear. Liberal activist and terror groups might not be efficient in killing people, but they do the job in oppressing a population. How many people were too afraid to put a McCain sticker on their car or fear of having it vandalized? THAT is how liberal work.

L M F A O R O T F F ! !<br ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

L M F A O R O T F F ! !
Sorry JT, just have to share this news head:

"Obama presses Karzai to fight corruption in Afghanistan"

"A lot of people could stan... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

"A lot of people could stand to hear it, and follow it."

BUT, there would be no political advantage to that, Jay! /sarc

"Progressives are out to im... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Progressives are out to improve America, not destroy it."

Yeah, that "Stimulus" really worked didn't it?

Barry's hope to get gasoline up around $7/gal will do wonders for the economy, won't it?

Opening up a whole new entitlement program while two others are going bust is a great idea!

17+% total UNEMPLOYED. Let's welcome 20 million more to the country that came in ILLEGALLY. Hell, there are enough jobs to go around!

14 TRILLION debt, and RISING by a TRILLION each year. That's okay. We'll just BORROW more money!

That's quite a list of "improvements" Stevie!

"Obama presses Karzai to fi... (Below threshold)
914:

"Obama presses Karzai to fight corruption in Afghanistan"

There will be a lot less to fight once Barry leaves.

Steve - You are tr... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve -

You are truly amazing in that you have an ability to be corrected on something completely obvious and then restate the same BS over and over.

Palin did not draw targets on dem leaders. If you knew what a target looked like you would know that. Also there is a difference between saying that you are targeting an official for voting out of office and putting a cross-hair on the president and saying "Snipers wanted" as the liberals did. THe dems excused that as free speech.

Where were you when the libs were putting targets on people and calling for their murder? Did you denounce the assassination fantasy of Bush or go see it a dozen times?

You are completely full of BS. You can't see that Grayson in FL is calling for the elimination of the GOP. You cannot see that other libs have been vocal about wishing the murder of GOP and conservative leaders. Not just that they want them to shut up or that they want them turned out of office. They want them dead.

You come here and apologize for he dems and their violent rhetoric. You have not once admitted to any of the acts that they have committed. You can't even find the time to denounce them even once. Yet like the rest of the libs today you whine like a child when a conservative suggests that a dem should be voted out of office.

Show me the video where you call hear someone shouting the n-word at a congressman last week. Show me the video of conservatives showing up at a polling place to intimidate minorities in the last election. Show me the voice recording of a conservative leaving death threats on a congressman's voice mail.

These are happening, but they are being done by the dems. The dems are bringing up only a bunch of bogus crap and whining that the conservatives are being violent. It's only a distraction and an excuse to cover what they are already guilty of doing.

So let me be clear for you since I know you can't understand much: The violence and violent rhetoric is ALL on the dem side. If you bothered o listen you would find that it isn't on the other side.

YEAH! Hell YEAH! Let's kill... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

YEAH! Hell YEAH! Let's kill us some Democrats! How dare they provide for the health care of the poor in America! HOW DARE THEY!

1. Posted by Steve Green | March 27, 2010 9:52 PM

Remember that post Stevie?

"Like I said - so pathetic.... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Like I said - so pathetic. So very pathetic."

TRANSLATION: "I'm not going to answer".

Shorter stevie: "OMG... (Below threshold)

Shorter stevie: "OMGWTFBBQ! UR all violent right-thug wingnutterzz!!!!!!!eleventy!!!"

Jim M, I am surprised you e... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jim M, I am surprised you even acknowledged Steve Green banal outpouring. By the way, do you all know the difference between someone shooting a bullet through a window and someone throwing a gun through the window? How stupid can liberals be? Nevermind.

JT, good post. Don't forget Ted K. the Unibomber. Or the enviro-whackos that target building projects, spike trees to injure or mame lumbermen, etc.

Another difference is conservatives and independents are too busy working and paying the taxes for all the loafers that show up for dem causes. Then you factor in unions demanding their members show up for demonstrations. Where the Tea Party lackss organization and leaders. It just is. Very much a true movement. Liberals really do not know how to act independently. They are a mob mentality. Look at the recent campus demonstration where Ann Coulter was going to appear. The hate was oozing from the liberals. ww

Steve,A bullet WAS... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve,

A bullet WAS fired through the window of his office. While the Richmond police have decided that it is from "Random gunfire" there was no way of his knowing that initially. So when YOU say that Cantor Lied it is actually YOU who is lying. You want to make it seem like there was no bullet but one was recovered from the scene.

It is unfortunate if it really was accidental that it just happened to happen to the GOP House Whip and the highest ranking Jew in the Congress. It's enough to have a President that says they will hit back twice as hard and who is openly anti-Semitic. Coincidences like this don't help if that is what they are.

You want someone from the l... (Below threshold)
Stan:

You want someone from the left that is/was totally despicable? Try Ted Kaczynski aka the Unabomber. He is about as leftist as a person can get. He is a total nut job that would fit right into the ranks of Che, Pol Pot, Mao, Fidel and Stalin. The left would have given him a pass, but he went to far and bombed a couple of leftist establishment facilities and then the media started hounding him

In May of 1998 Ted Kaczynksi was sentenced to life in prison for being the "Unabomber," an anti-technology terrorist who in 1978 began a series of sporadic bombings across the United States. His first bomb was found in May of 1978 at the University of Chicago: a package sent through the mail to a professor, it exploded and injured a university police officer. Over time the bombs became more sophisticated and fatal, but there was still little known about the bomber's identity besides a widely-circulated sketch of a man wearing sunglasses and a hood. In 1994 the Unabomber began demanding publication of his "Manifesto," a 35,000 word document railing against technology. The document's eventual publication by the mainstream media led David Kaczynski to suspect that his brother Ted was the Unabomber, and he turned him in. Ted Kaczynski was arrested in April of 1996, surprised by federal agents at his one-room shack outside of Lincoln, Montana, where he had been living as a recluse since 1971.http://www.answers.com/topic/unabomber
WW- I get PO'd at his conti... (Below threshold)
jim m:

WW- I get PO'd at his continual outrageous lies. Allowing lies to go unchallenged is to allow people to continue to believe in them and o deceive others.

In the end, McVeigh... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

In the end, McVeigh and Terry Nichols achieved far more than all the Weather Underground ever did with their bombs; McVeigh took out a whole federal building and almost 200 people, while the biggest score the Weather Underground ever pulled off was an "own goal" where they blew themselves up.

You're kidding me with this post...right?

Defending McVeigh's actions as any kind of tactical success compared to TWU just shows how morally corrupt you people have become. He was trash. Killed hundreds. You really want to use that as a successful metaphor for the right wing's "organization and efforts"?

One more detail - the Weather Underground blew up government institutions as protest - but also warned the authorities before they did so to avoid accident deaths. McVeigh had so little use for human life (much like some of your kind who kill Abortion doctors) that he never bothered with such formalities, thus murdering men, women and children. Real hero of the right.

It's also illustrative in how the "mainstream" left and right treat their nutjobs. McVeigh is universally seen as a monster, and nearly everyone is glad he was caught and executed. On the other hand, Ayers and Dohrn were allowed to put their past behind them (without even a public repenting), and were allowed to assume positions of authority and responsibility and trust.

Yeah... because McVeigh killed MEN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN WITHOUT REMORSE. The Weather Underground actually made an effort NOT to do that, whatever you think of their politics. There is no comparison. If you feel there is, then that says alot about you.


Please. Everyone come to the defense of this post. It will be interesting to see all of you defend this kind of rhetoric and try to be honest and not resort to your lame, pathetic diversion tactics, such as "Yeah! Well Obama sucks!"

And, by the way, I didn't misread your post. That's the subtext of your examples, whether you want to accept that or not.

Another distinction worth noting is that there are a lot more left-wing nuts than right-wing nuts.

Please give me some real research on this. Otherwise, it's just your self-serving opinion.

On behalf of myself and my ... (Below threshold)
G.:

On behalf of myself and my legally concealed Glock .40cal I thank you.

"Revolutionary violence is ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Revolutionary violence is the only way."
Bernardine Dohrn

Ayers and friends planned the murder of police Sergeant Brian McDonnel and have never expressed remorse for that. They fire bombed the house of a New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh and never expressed remorse for trying to kill him and his whole family.

Get a grasp on some history Steve. You are ignorant of he truth in a most glaring way.

Here's a left wing nut for ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Here's a left wing nut for you Steve: John Wayne Gacy. Chicago Democratic Precinct Captain and had his picture taken with Rosalyn Carter.

"On the other hand, Ayer... (Below threshold)
914:

"On the other hand, Ayers and Dohrn were allowed to put their past behind them (without even a public repenting), and were allowed to assume positions of authority and responsibility and trust."

What about the other TK? AKA "splash" or " the swimmer"? Surely he fits this paragraph very well. And I would say he was certifiably a left wing nut.

SteveP, McVeigh WAS tactica... (Below threshold)

SteveP, McVeigh WAS tactically successful. He planned to destroy the building, and he did it.

The Weather Underground? Nowhere near the destruction.

Both are contemptible, despicable, vile human beings. But it's no endorsement to note that McVeigh was far more competent than the entire Weather Underground combined.

J.

re:18Well, at leas... (Below threshold)
epador:

re:18

Well, at least there were a lot more left-wing nuts than right-wing nuts VOTING Nov 2008.

How about Alcee Hastings, G... (Below threshold)
jim m:

How about Alcee Hastings, Guilty of perjury and of accepting a $150,000 bribe to let off two union thugs for stealing $1M from the union.

I said fired through his wi... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I said fired through his window and that he had no way of knowing immediately that it was not fired at it deliberately. So I was both truthful and accurate. I acknowledged what the police said so I could not have lied about it.

You on the other hand suggested that it never happened. That IS a lie.

"The Weather Underground ac... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The Weather Underground actually made an effort NOT to do that (kill)"

That's a lie! On one occasion MEMBERS OF THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND killed a police officer and blinded another in San Francisco. Ten years later, members killed two police officers and a security guard during a bank robbery. On another occasion, a cop just avoided ambush. I suppose Stevie, the loaded weapons where just "theatrical props". In his correspondence, Ayers mentioning IMPRISONING those who disagreed with their agenda, and estimated that 250,000 would have to be "eliminated".

Real peaceful group. They were 'idealists'. They had 'the best interests of the country at heard'. Waaaaaaa....nobody understands us....waaaaaa

Greenie, the bullet was fir... (Below threshold)

Greenie, the bullet was fired. It went through the window. So yeah, it was fired through the window.

Please, don't be any more aggressively stupid than absolutely necessary.

J.

Jim M., I understand your g... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jim M., I understand your getting pissed at Steve Green's lies. They are numerous and are actually pathological about them. He isn't even aware of his lies. He believes them. That is freightening. To quote George Castanza from Seinfel: "It is not a lie if you believe it". Of course that was comedy but Steve actually believes what he writes. He is like Bahgdad Bob, doesn't matter what is happening around him, only in what he says is happening around him.

Steve Green is too pointless for me to address any thought to what he states. ww

Green,A bullet was... (Below threshold)

Green,

A bullet was indeed fired at (or at least in the general direction of) Cantor's window, as a bullet did indeed hit that window. The intent of the person firing that round is known only to that individual, and unless he's been identified and is talking (truthfully), you can't KNOW what his intent was, you can only speculate.

QED

Stevie - "It's a lie" "Eve... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Stevie - "It's a lie" "Everything conservative say is a lie!" "Only progressives tell the truth!" "You're all liars!"

Waaaa...waaaaa....waaaa......

And you are full of bullshit. As usual.

s green - "the pathetic... (Below threshold)
Marc:

s green - "the pathetic Eric Cantor lied and said that someone shot a gun through his office window."

Lied? No asshole he said a bullet went thru the window, and it did. But you obviously think he has CSI training and should have recognized it was fired randomly vice targeted at his office.

Silly you. No stupid you.

And ignorant of anything related to guns, or targeting considering you continue to smear Palin over her desire to remove certain dems from office.

But hey, that places you in the same camp as tina s who's also pushing that meme.

"Great" company you keep.

I am Blessed/Cursed to live... (Below threshold)
Burt:

I am Blessed/Cursed to live in a very conservative town nearly dead center in an extremely conservative state. However, when I go to the tshirt store, I find that I can purchase a Che Tshirt but I can't find a Timmy McVeigh Tshirt. Heck I even have to special order my Dick Cheney Tshirts.

jim m - "Through" a windo... (Below threshold)
Marc:

jim m - "Through" a window, or "at" a window.

What do you expect from greenie? You speak truth to him hoping its gets "through," but alas it fails to pause "AT" his brain stem as it sails into and out the other ear.

MM (mental midget)

Burt:I'm curious, si... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Burt:
I'm curious, since you live in a 'conservative' town in a 'conservative' state. How often do they sell the Che shirts?

Or is this another of those, "I used to be a conservative, but now I'm a ______ because ______.

Bert - "Heck I even hav... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Bert - "Heck I even have to special order my Dick Cheney Tshirts."

I bet the newly fashionable Big Fuckin' Deal (BFD) T-shirts abound then.

The police have no way to d... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

The police have no way to determine if a bullet was fired randomly. They may list the shot as random if was fired from long range and they have no specific suspect or motive. If it was a 9mm and it was fired from 1/2 mile, then there was little chance that the person firing the shot would hit anything they aimed at, but if someone were simply trying to make a statement and not get caught then they might shoot from long range. It would produce ballistic evidence similar to a random shot.

There is no evidence to indicate Cantor was telling a lie and to say so would be to intentionally give false impressions which is another definition of lie.

Psssst... s green.... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Psssst... s green.

You MUST live in Maine, if not we'll gladly all chip-in for your moving expenses.

You'll fit right-in considering the Maine gov is looking at taxing CLOWNS & COMEDIANS!


C'mon. Che only executed 1... (Below threshold)
jim m:

C'mon. Che only executed 1897 people. They disagreed with his politics so that's fair right? That's what the left believes. Otherwise why would they wear his image on their T-shirts all the time?

Seriously. Why would you want to wear the image of a man who is notable only for his blood lust and desire to gain power through whatever means necessary even mass murder? The only answer is that you admire the man and his actions and what he stood for.

Stevie, you don't seem to b... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Stevie, you don't seem to be concerned about progressives lying, do you?

Stevie, the silence is deaf... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Stevie, the silence is deafening!

Stevie?... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Stevie?

BTW s green - Eric Cantor i... (Below threshold)
Marc:

BTW s green - Eric Cantor is the highest-elected Jewish official in the country and the only Jewish Republican in the House.

Does that make you an Anti-Semite?

BTW - left-turd Alan Colmes reported the following:

FOXWIRE: FOX has learned that the Richmond, VA campaign office of House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) was shot at overnight.
Will you call him a liar?

Or we all laugh our collective asses off as you ignore it?

Bueller? Bueller?... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Bueller? Bueller?

Stevie is just following Al... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Stevie is just following Alinski's Rules for Radicals.

"He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. ..."
"The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means..."
"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means...." p.24-29

So for Steve and his friends they are not lies they are tactics. There is nothing that is out of bounds if it gets them what they want.

There will be a brief time ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

There will be a brief time out, as Stevie takes a dump and clears his mind. He'll then dash over to DK to cut-and-paste something which has nothing to do with the questions posted to him above. Smoke if ya got 'em.

Jay,I'd say the di... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Jay,

I'd say the discussion proves my original point.

Conservatives cast out their radicals. Liberals embrace them. The libs either ignore, excuse or applaud the excesses of their radicals. You only need to go to a college campus to see how they deal with an exchange of ideas. They shout down the conservative speaker. They cannot tolerate differing views to even be expressed.

This weekend they attacked people attending the Tea Party event in Nevada. They made false accusations in an attempt to get there ideological opponents arrested. They know no bounds in trying to suppress thought and get their way.

Even here we see that they celebrate murderers and accept them as elder statesmen of their movement. They excuse these crimes because they were committed in service of the ideology. There is nothing, no means what-so-ever, that is too radical, too far out there to not be used and accepted.

That is where conservatives and liberals separate. We have morals. We have limits. They have none. They have demonstrated so time after time. They are doing it today. They have no problem with subverting the constitution in order to achieve their aims. The only thing that stopped them was that they though it wouldn't work.

Um MeThinks we are all laug... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Um MeThinks we are all laughing our collective asses off as I suggested we would be.

GrandFan - "There will ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

GrandFan - "There will be a brief time out, as Stevie takes a dump and clears his mind."

Forget grennie. hes gone to find a doctor.

While there are any after obummer past pelosi's HC bill.

Ladies and gentleman, Stevi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Ladies and gentleman, Stevie has left the building!

The left and its followers ... (Below threshold)
wildman:

The left and its followers have killed more people in the name of 'fairness' and to achieve their utopia than all the religious persecutions and right wing junta's combined. That they complain that they are now the target is hilarious.

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel... (Below threshold)
Stan:

Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro Robert Mugabe have killed more people in the name of progressivism than any tyrant king or potentate of the Middle ages ever thought of doing and the middle ages were very bloody. If these people had lived then, there would be no people to repopulate this planet.

braynDead, did you used to ... (Below threshold)

braynDead, did you used to go by the handle of Barney Gumble?

Dumbass?... (Below threshold)

Dumbass?

Thread winner!... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Thread winner!

Dumbass?ste... (Below threshold)
914:

Dumbass?

stevies back??

"OR!"Unmixing Nuts"---ti... (Below threshold)
914:

"OR!"Unmixing Nuts"---title/jay tea

Food reference noted.
I'm a fan of vacuum-packed Planters products myself. (I prefer Spanish Peanuts. "Redskins")"

So what variety of nut are you bryanD? Full blown or vacuum sealed?

braynDead, have you ever pa... (Below threshold)

braynDead, have you ever passed an IQ test?

SteveP, McVeigh WAS... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

SteveP, McVeigh WAS tactically successful. He planned to destroy the building, and he did it.

The Weather Underground? Nowhere near the destruction.

Both are contemptible, despicable, vile human beings. But it's no endorsement to note that McVeigh was far more competent than the entire Weather Underground combined.

Yes. It is an endorsement. You are calling a mass murderer "competent" and glorifying the act as an example of how conservative murderers are better than liberal attempted-murderers.

It's a despicable approach. And it is EXACTLY what you are very weakly trying to claim it isn't.

At least be honest with yourself if you are going to be deceptive with your audience.

And as far as your followers here are concerned, they have proven themselves in their responses to have condoned this post. Be as arrogant as you want. There isn't a rational person alive who would try to frame your argument the way you have here.

There are gray areas in some subject matter on this blog. This is not one of them and you deserve to be called out on it.

Yes. It is an endorsemen... (Below threshold)
914:

Yes. It is an endorsement. You are calling a mass murderer "competent" and glorifying the act as an example of how conservative murderers are better than liberal attempted-murderers."


Wow!! You make some pretty bold blanket assertions in your bitch-fest above.

"Glorifying the act" ? How the fuck so?

"There isn't a rational person alive who would try to frame your argument the way you have here."

Somehow I dont think you hang around a lot of "rational people" So how the hell would you know?

"At least be honest with yourself if you are going to be deceptive with your audience."

J is very straight-forward in his postings. There is no "deception"

Come to grips with your liberalism!! The sooner, the better chance for a recovery.

Note to self: acknowledging... (Below threshold)

Note to self: acknowledging that, sometimes, very bad people can be very good at doing very bad things is now considered an endorsement.

SteveP, not all villains are bumbling incompetents. The worst are the ones who are frighteningly capable of carrying out their plans.

The worst thing about McVeigh wasn't his beliefs, but his ability to act upon them with such success.

If only he had been more inept, he might have been forgiven and allowed to become a leading intellectual voice on the right.

Nah. The right doesn't do that kind of shit. That's reserved for the left, who turns its monsters into icons -- see the aforementioned Ayers and Dohrn, and the ever-popular Che.

J.

tina, bryand stevieg post s... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

tina, bryand stevieg post some of the most infuriating bs I have ever read on a blog. They also obfuscate the issues and keep most of you defending what to most of us is blatantly obvious - leave them in their alternate universe.

Cantor did exaggerate, if n... (Below threshold)
ThisIsMyCountryToo:

Cantor did exaggerate, if not outright lie. The bullet struck the window of a first floor conference room that is shared an open to use by the all of the tenants of that building. "The window of his office" was not hit. It was not his office. And a bullet actually aimed at that window instead of just shot into the air for some reason would have penetrated the window completely.

Note to self: A post that i... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

Note to self: A post that in no uncertain terms tries to paint the left as unorganized, unsuccessful revolutionaries by contrasting them with the far more successful McVeigh is, whether the poster wants to believe it or not, an endorsement of McVeigh's activities through musings about the success of his endeavor.

No, I don't think you truly believe McVeigh is a good person -- but there is a very subtle "proudness" in the fact that he is a right winger and your side, seemingly, can execute a plan better.

I would say that using him as an example is your first mistake. Given that this is in the context of current right-wing extremists actions - and that this site opposes these tactics and actions with about as much force as American muslim leaders first opposed the World Trade Center bombings (which was, unfortunately, not enough), it unmistakeably comes off as a soft endorsement.

Cantor did exag... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Cantor did exaggerate, if not outright lie. The bullet struck the window of a first floor conference room that is shared an open to use by the all of the tenants of that building. "The window of his office" was not hit. It was not his office. And a bullet actually aimed at that window instead of just shot into the air for some reason would have penetrated the window completely.

Indisputable FACTS:

1) Cantor has an office in the building
2) It is a small two story building
3) A bullet did go through a window in that building.

With those basic facts how did Cantor lie? Remember, Cantor reported that BEFORE the police concluded that it was a random shot.

What would be your first reaction if you came to work and found a bullet had gone through one of the windows in your office?

I guess bricks just randomly went through the windows at the GOP HQ in Charlottesville, VA, and any suggestion otherwise would be a lie.

"I guess bricks jus... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

"I guess bricks just randomly went through the windows at the GOP HQ in Charlottesville, VA, and any suggestion otherwise would be a lie."

Eric

Eric Cantor? Is that you?

Here's the thing. I personally don't think he lied, but I think he was awful quick to use (without a full accounting) what was probably looking like a random incident from the outset for political gain - and it backfired on him.

Eric - Cantor's words were ... (Below threshold)
ThisIsMyCountryToo:

Eric - Cantor's words were "shot at the window of my campaign office." The window of his campaign office was not shot at. His campaign office is on the second floor. The conference room window that was hit is on the first floor. There are several other tenants in the building, including another campaign office. That conference room "belongs" to none of them. The window was not shot at directly. The window of his campaign office was not fired upon at all. Clearly an exaggeration.

No, I don't think ... (Below threshold)
Eric:
No, I don't think you truly believe McVeigh is a good person -- but there is a very subtle "proudness" in the fact that he is a right winger and your side, seemingly, can execute a plan better.

You know SteveP your indignation might be taken more seriously if somebody like Bill Ayers weren't treated like a hero by the left instead of as a monster.

Somehow, I don't think Jay Tea would have ever gone to Timothy McVeigh's house to launch his political career.

Hypothetically, what would be your reaction if McVeigh had gotten off on a technicality, later said, "Guilty as sin, free as a bird," and Sarah Palin visited his house?

I am from Virginia, my name... (Below threshold)
Eric:

I am from Virginia, my name is Eric, and I used to live in the Fan district not far from where Cantor's office is, but no I'm not Eric Cantor.

We have the benefit of hindsight now. At the time, I can't blame Cantor for jumping to conclusions. A bullet did go through the window.

Hey shit head! Yeah, YOU, ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey shit head! Yeah, YOU, Stevie. You ever going to answer my question? Shit head.

Hey shit head! Yeah... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

Hey shit head! Yeah, YOU, Stevie. You ever going to answer my question?

Quite honestly, I didn't even read or look for your post. Most of what you've said in the past is gibberish and not worthy of my time.

...just read your question. My above statement stands.

SteveP - the question was d... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

SteveP - the question was directed at Stevie Green.

My enormous ego precedes me... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

My enormous ego precedes me.

Nonetheless, your question is lame.

Somehow, I don't think J... (Below threshold)

Somehow, I don't think Jay Tea would have ever gone to Timothy McVeigh's house to launch his political career.

Actually, if it were possible, I just might.

Imagine running for political office as "the guy who killed Timothy McVeigh."

J.

re: "My enormous ego.."... (Below threshold)
Hank:

re: "My enormous ego.."

Based on what?

Based on what?</str... (Below threshold)
SteveP:

Based on what?

Knowing that even if I were the dumbest democrat, I'd be sharper than the smartest republican. ;)

even if I were ... (Below threshold)
even if I were the dumbest democrat
It's like I told Bruce: these guys are beyond satire.
Hey Stevie (Green) and Stev... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey Stevie (Green) and StevieP who likes to jump in. Comments?

http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2010/03/philadelphia-man-charged-with.html

Oh, StevieP, I like that dodge. Don't like a question, label it 'lame'. Sort of like your reasoning.

I see they've arrested some... (Below threshold)
RicardoVerde:

I see they've arrested someone today in the Cantor death threat case.

I am quite sure it was a "random" death threat and was not directly fired at Cantor, only the office he shared with others, or something like that;)

Norman LeBoon is just crazy... (Below threshold)
ThisIsMyCountryToo:

Norman LeBoon is just crazy. In this video, he threatens Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/user/shiamuslimcantbestop#p/u/210/gdOfwx6I3kQ

Buyers remorse,LeB... (Below threshold)

Buyers remorse,

LeBoon was an Obama campaign contributor.

s green - "And that's e... (Below threshold)
Marc:

s green - "And that's exactly - precisely - what Cantor did."

Canter's statement was for "political gain?"

Well then, what do you call the democratic national committee sending out emails requesting donations because of the treats to dem politicians?

Wow, the two Steve's have a... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow, the two Steve's have actually went off the stupid scale. They, trying to make an argument, where none exists, just keep digging the stupidity hole deeper and deeper.

Everyone knows that the person that fired the gun at Cantor's office building was mad at the building.

Oh yeah! How about all the lies the black congressmen and Franks said happened while they walked up the capital steps? All that video running, thousands of cameras and not ONE recording of that happening. It was for political gain. You liberals are such sissies. ww

WTF's up with guys named ST... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

WTF's up with guys named STEVE?!

lmao...




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