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Louisiana Republican Beatdown Update

As of Wednesday morning, the following facts have been confirmed:

Allie Bautsch (spelling corrected), a fundraiser for New Orleans governor Bobby Jindal, and her boyfriend, Joe Brown, attended a high-profile GOP fundraiser in New Orleans last Friday.

The event was also attended by some very boisterous protesters who had used some rather inflammatory rhetoric to get people to attend.

After leaving the event, Bautsch and Brown walked two blocks away from the restaurant.

The two were savagely beaten, and ended up in the hospital. Bautsch has a broken leg; Brown was treated for a broken nose, a broken jaw, and a concussion.

Initial reports that the two were wearing Sarah Palin buttons have been denied, and thus reports that they were beaten for wearing those buttons is likewise discredited.

There was no robbery.

Witnesses have described the assailants.

New Orleans police have said very little about the incident, but are investigating.

So far we can safely eliminate a few theories: that Bautsch and Brown inflicted their own injuries or allowed themselves to be injured; that they ran into an out-of-control Tea Party mob; that a horde of Mongol barbarians slipped out of an eddy in the space-time continuum and attacked them before vanishing back into the mists of time; that a meteor struck them; that some anti-government radicals from Tennessee beat them after hanging signs around their necks reading "GOP;" that the two were injured in an auto accident, boating mishap, train wreck, or plane crash; or that the two tripped and fell.

The leading theory -- which I am currently buying into -- is that the two were followed from the fundraiser by some of the protesters who had organized to picket the $10,000 a plate GOP gathering and beaten in a fit of "righteous outrage."

I am fully confident that the New Orleans Police, under the calm and competent leadership of Ray Nagin, will conduct a full and fair investigation of this violent crime and capture the perpetrators. I absolutely believe that the New Orleans city government -- one of the most corrupt and venal and vile examples of Democratic machine politics extant today, rivaled only by Chicago -- will set aside its prejudices and biases and make certain that these Republicans who had attended a Republican event get justice.

Until those series of miracles all occur, however, I am going to continue to believe that this is the latest escalation of "preemptive violence" being waged against conservatives by the righteous left, a campaign that has been going on for years. It started small -- attacks with pies and the like of conservative speakers, Code Pink being assisted by Democratic members of Congress to disrupt President Bush's State of the Union address and assault Secretary of State Rice in a congressional hearing room; the beating of Kenneth Gladney by union thugs at a Tea Party rally; the biting off of a finger of a man protesting the "health care reform" bill; and countless other incidents -- here's a fun little summary from almost five years ago.

I fully expect all those who've warned about the dangers of the rhetoric being tossed around by conservative talk radio, conservative leaders, and the Tea Party movement to immediately issue statements urging their followers to ratchet back the violence and violent rhetoric they themselves have been issuing, to make appeals for calm, to denounce politically-motivated violence. Because even if this incident was not politically motivated, the fact that it was so plausible speaks volumes about the current state of political discourse on the left.

I also expect to be bitterly disappointed on that last point.


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A Google search of "Allie B... (Below threshold)
Bob:

A Google search of "Allie Bautsch" (correct spelling for Jindal's aide) produced references to the beating only in right-wing blogs - Human Events, Big Government, etc. - not a single entry from the state-run media. There's nothing to see here, folks. Just move along.

Thanks for the spell-check,... (Below threshold)

Thanks for the spell-check, Bob. Already fixed in the article.

J.

You'd think that if the lib... (Below threshold)
jim m:

You'd think that if the libs were actually honest about their concerns regarding violence that they would be wanting to get out in front of this condemning the action regardless of the motivation behind it.

If the roles were reversed and the perpetrators were conservative (as if) the left would be howling from the roof tops demanding everyone to disavow and condemn the assault.

Instead we get silence from the left, which leads me to believe that they in truth want the violence. They want it and have deliberately stoked it. They want to do anything and everything possible to win. They also want to be ale to wash their hands of any problems. So they promote the violence, ignore it when it happens, and then will wash their hands of anyone unfortunate enough to get caught and charged.

Frankly, I like the Mongol ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Frankly, I like the Mongol theory myself... oh, wait - is "Mongol" another racist code word? (Theres's so damn many of them, it's hard to keep straight...) There's no real evidence for it, but so what?

Nah, I think you're right on the "preemptive violence" thing. It is, supposedly, what the right would do if it had the chance - despite conservatives showing few indications of the anarchistic, violent behavior the left continaully demonstrates.

The left's been doing the 'Righteous Outrage' bit for decades now, and with that technique losing tractions they're taking non-violent protests up a notch to beating up those who dare disagree now. Of course it's all justifiable, because they're virtuiously beating up vicious bigoted haters. And they feel free to do so because they're beating up vicious, bigoted haters, so they're the good guys! And if the objects of their anger weren't vicious, bigoted haters, they wouldn't need to be beaten up!

I expect to see more of this leading up to the elections. And if the conservatives attacked dare to protect themselves, the headline will likely read "Vicious conservative attacks peaceful assembly of peaceful liberals peacefully expressing their tolerant attitudes of peace and tolerance of diverse viewpoints. 80-year old woman cruelly bruises knuckles of 25-year old males who were peacefully celebrating their First Amendment rights..."

These are not "liberals" (I... (Below threshold)
mag:

These are not "liberals" (I know some liberals even have them in my family and they are nothing like these protesters) but far out leftist/marxist bend on destroying this country. But they best watch out, conversatives and decent people will not put up with now after what they have seen what the big o has done. I fear it is going to be a lot worst then the 60's were. The jerks from that era did not go away, they were just domant until someone like the obama came along.

On a happier note, today my... (Below threshold)
mag:

On a happier note, today my husband is going down to city hall to remove his name from the democratic party. He has ALWAYS been a democrat (some of our biggest arguments have been over politics-him always backing the demos-but no longer) He has vowed to never vote for a democratic again in his life. You have to know him to understand how big a step this is for him. And there are few other family members are doing the same thing.

mag-while the typica... (Below threshold)
jim m:

mag-
while the typical liberal may not have the impetus to go out and commit an act such as this one, they sympathize with the thugs who did it. I have been around enough libs and heard them saying things that support the use of violence and they refuse to criticize those who do it.

The truth is that the left wants the violence. Those too cowardly to stand up and do it merely hide behind those who will act.

As far as I am concerned there are two kinds of lib: the one's who commit the violence and the ones who support them. There are none who stand up and speak out against it. Maybe that wil change. I'm not holding my breath.

Jay,You forgot to me... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Jay,
You forgot to mention the guy arrested for threatening Eric Cantor, several GOP offices that have recently had their windows broken, and remember some of the other classics.

The lawyer who keyed the Marine's car.

The Kerry campaign workers who slashed the GOP tires.

And who can ever forget the Black Panthers on election day 2008?

Link

Link

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"I fully expect all thos... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"I fully expect all those who've warned about the dangers of the rhetoric being tossed around by conservative talk radio, conservative leaders, and the Tea Party movement to immediately issue statements urging their followers to ratchet back the violence and violent rhetoric they themselves have been issuing,..."

No. First we'll get vehement denial. After that I fully expect that many will focus myopically for a time on the fact that they indeed weren't wearing Palin buttons to the exclusion of all other factors. Then when the obvious can no longer be denied - political motivation - we'll get silence. I've seen the pattern and don't expect it to change.

while the typical libera... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

while the typical liberal may not have the impetus to go out and commit an act such as this one, they sympathize with the thugs who did it.

jim m, It is my opinion the majority of liberals and convervatives do not have sympathy for these type of thugs, regardless of politics.

Oyster, you're cheating. Le... (Below threshold)

Oyster, you're cheating. Lee Ward is all over the Palin buttons angle to the exclusion of everything else.

It's hardly a prediction when it's already happening, Oyster. Shame on you.

J.

I CONDEM THE THUGS. Lets ho... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

I CONDEM THE THUGS. Lets hope they are caught and spend a long time in jail.

jim m, It is my op... (Below threshold)
Eric:
jim m, It is my opinion the majority of liberals and convervatives do not have sympathy for these type of thugs, regardless of politics.

TinaS, the problem is that it always seems that many on the Left take an odd hypocritical position on political violence. Many on the Left take ANY violence committed by someone on the Right and use it to paint all on the Right. However, those same people will treat ANY violence committed by someone on the Left as lone nuts or a few bad apples.

Look at the recent Healthcare vote. Whether or not racist taunts were thrown at Black Congressmen, the Left's narrative was that ALL of the protestors were racist. When some of the Democrats were threatened, the Democrats called on the Republican leadership to denounce it.

However, Republicans have been the victims of violence and threats. When Bush was President, protestors routinely called him a Nazi and other vile names. Where are the Democrats' denunciations.

jim m,Yes, I under... (Below threshold)
mag:

jim m,

Yes, I understand what you are saying...I am just thinking about my family memembers and they would never do or condone anything like this. But they sure would like to argue you to death about issues. Sometimes we have some exciting and talkive family get togethers.

Eric:Man... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

Eric:

Many on the Left take ANY violence committed by someone on the Right and use it to paint all on the Right. However, those same people will treat ANY violence committed by someone on the Left as lone nuts or a few bad apples.

In fact, you can find evidence of that here on this blog (in the comments) within the past week.

It's a good thing we have t... (Below threshold)
J-Ho:

It's a good thing we have that expensive system of crime camera's here that work so well!!!...........................................................Oh wait,...

Do any of you find it stran... (Below threshold)
olhardhead:

Do any of you find it strange that a fundraiser for Bobby Jindal would be wearing a Sarah Palin button.

They are saving all their c... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

They are saving all their condemnation for the day when Republicans defend themselves.

"Do any of you find it stra... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Do any of you find it strange that a fundraiser for Bobby Jindal would be wearing a Sarah Palin button."

No. Because later reports indicate that they weren't wearing the buttons. However they were identified coming out of the fund raiser and the crowd was spoiling for violence for some time before it happened.

Without "the Palin buttons ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Without "the Palin buttons angle" this is a non-story. Muggings happen all the time.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was politically motivated.

None. No evidence.

Just the wet dreams and fantasies of Republican operatives who are praying some shred of evidence surfaces to suggest it was politically motivated.

And as we've now seen, when the evidence doesn't exist Republican operatives go ahead and lie about it anyway.

Backwards B carved in your cheek, anyone?

"They are saving all their ... (Below threshold)
Hank:

"They are saving all their condemnation for the day when Republicans defend themselves."

Exactly.

And when repubs do defend themselves, the MSM can then step in and report it as both sides engaging in violence. Until then......

Not even Ashley Todd... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


Not even Ashley Todd thinks there was any political motivation involved.

jim m, the point was that i... (Below threshold)
olhardhead:

jim m, the point was that if they were wearing a button it was probably a Bobby Jindal button. Lee, you moron, this was not a mugging. Muggings do happen but not near Brennon's restaurant. I swear if you leftie morons really believe the crap you write it's amazing that you can make a living and care for yourself. Just for the record, Bobby Jindal is a RINO to da big time!!
Like J I'm fully confident that the Naggin administration and NOPD will get to the bottom of this and bring the perp's to justice (sarc off)....Riiight!

Lee thinks there's nothing ... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Lee thinks there's nothing to see here and that we should just move along to another topic.

It's apparently OK for a mob to savage a couple and put them in the hospital. As long as it's the right couple.

It would only be an outrage if they were wearing Obama buttons. Then it would be 24/7 coverage on every news program and newspaper in the country for the next two weeks. It would be Pulitzer time. Lee would not only be at his sanctimonious best, he'd be doing it at the top of his voice.

And maybe Lee should change his name to Dick.

Lee,Usually (always?... (Below threshold)
GraceGrac:

Lee,
Usually (always?) a mugging involves theft. There was no theft.

Without "the Palin butto... (Below threshold)

Without "the Palin buttons angle" this is a non-story. Muggings happen all the time.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was politically motivated.

None. No evidence.

A mugging without any robbery, Lee?

A mugging that results in a broken leg, a broken jaw, and a concussion?

It's clear that the thugs were not motivated by Palin buttons.

It's also clear that the thugs weren't motivated by robbery.

I'm labeling my belief on this as opinion. You're asserting as absolute truth that I'm wrong, and have absolutely zero evidence to back that up.

By your own standards, that's "lying."

Remember, folks, to Lee Ward, anything that is not proven 100% correct to his satisfaction is a "lie."

Not an error. Not a mistake. Not a misunderstanding. A "lie," meaning a deliberate attempt to spread falsehoods for malicious intent.

Toss in how Mr. Ward can never be proven to be wrong to his 100% satisfaction (he will spin or deny endlessly to avoid this), and it's clear to see how his vocabulary and intellect are so limited.

But I'm not banning him. He's nowhere near being banned. Hell, Oyster's closer to being banned for her earlier remark, and my chastising of her was a joke. He's still far more entertaining than annoying.

But I'm sure he'll also continue to try to play the persecuted martyr card, though. It's the other trick in his repertoire.

J.

"Without "the Palin buttons... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Without "the Palin buttons angle" this is a non-story. Muggings happen all the time."

Yeah. Especially if you ignor that they were at a GOP fund raiser. Especially if you ignore that a belligerent crowd had been building in front of the fund raiser for several hours. Especially if you ignore the fact that they were followed from the fund raiser and attacked just a couple of blocks from it. Especially if you ignore that they weren't robbed.

Lee, you are an ignorant ass. You know that this couple was attacked because of their politics. You are searching for any reason to find a way to dismiss it.

The buttons were the least important part of the story.

Please explain how they were mugged when she had her purse after the beating? Please explain how it wasn't conected with politics when they were followed from the fund raiser?

Otherwise you are as guilty as the thugs who did it. You are providing cover for them and you are excusing their actions.

You are exactly the kind of lib that I talked about earlier. You are too cowardly to commit the violence you want to but you will do everything you can to support those who do it.

Lee, I call your Ashley Tod... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Lee, I call your Ashley Todd and raise you a Kerri Dunn, a Tawana Brawley, and an Angela Jackson. We can keep going with the hate crime hoaxes if you wish, but I bet that there are more of them perpetrated by Lefties than Righties.

And maybe Lee should... (Below threshold)
Rich:


And maybe Lee should change his name to Dick.


That would be redundant.

#28 goes to you too Adrian,... (Below threshold)
Eric:

#28 goes to you too Adrian, you never miss an opportunity to mention Ashley Todd. But you never bother to recognize that there are numerous hate crime hoaxes perpetrated by Left wingers. And each time they occur, they are touted as big stories, that is until they are uncovered as hoaxes. Then they go down the memory hole.

Ashley Todd was a nut, but so was Tawana Brawley. Do you really want to compare how the two were treated?

"Hell, Oyster's closer t... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Hell, Oyster's closer to being banned for her earlier remark,..."

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Jay, you assume I'm reading all of Lee's drivel. I'll admit that occasionally I have a compulsion to read one or another of our resident troll postings, but only occasionally. By suggestion I have employed the "Set Comment Score Threshold" button to save what sanity I have left. And it works!

But thanx for your concern :)

Lee Ward,Here's your... (Below threshold)
olhardhead:
Lee Ward can connect any ne... (Below threshold)
Howcome:

Lee Ward can connect any negative statement about Obama to racist thought. Every word you use is analyzed through the scope of the liberal outrage filter. In fact just being a Republican, white or against anything the left wants to do will be used as evidence against you. But two people leaving a GOP fundraiser are beaten within two blocks of the event, which had a angry crowd outside, and we are crazy for having suspicion that it might be politically motivated. Using Lee's thought process I think just the fact that he is trying to debunk this proves he either approves of this violence or he was involved.

Ray Nagin is no longer in c... (Below threshold)
YaHump:

Ray Nagin is no longer in charge of New Orleans. Mary Landrieu's brother Mitch is the new Mayor but the investigation probably won't go much better.

To understand a simpleton l... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

To understand a simpleton like Lee Ward is easy. Conservatives only LIE! Democrats, on the other hand, only speak TRUTH!

Just ask Lee.

Jay Tea, Have you seen this... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Jay Tea, Have you seen this story in NH? It would interesting if it could be confirmed.

Lee Ward:You shoul... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Lee Ward:

You should retire from commenting until you learn the English language better.

RE: "Muggings happen all the time."

A mugging is a robbery. Merriam-Webster defines a mugger as "one who attacks with intent to rob". The article states: "There was no robbery."


RE: "There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was politically motivated."

Right. A small mob just happened to collect two blocks from a political event that just happened to attack two people leaving the political event. Reports indicate that the group was there for some time, and they were politically motivated. The mob attacked two key players instead of any of the other people who left the restaurant or walked along the street. Other than the political angle, no other motive has surfaced yet.

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I agree with the Jay that this is the price you pay for scheduling a conservative or libertarian conference in a corrupt town like New Orleans. Until the city government of New Orleans cleans up its act, I wouldn't put much faith in the ability of the city to investigate this crime, and that fact simply adds to the threat of violence. If the Democratic fascists thought that they would be caught and punished, they would be less likely to commit crimes like this. Given the level of corruption in New Orleans, they have little to fear.

howcome, that's just not tr... (Below threshold)

howcome, that's just not true. Poke through the archives of the late, unlamented Wizbang Blue and you'll see Mr. Ward spew all kinds of venom against Obama from the primary season. But since he's a good liberal, none of that was racism.

YaHump, my very cursory research on Nagin (Wikipedia) says he will leave office next month. How the hell did he get re-elected after Katrina?

Oh, yeah. New Orleans. Never mind.

J.

Jay Tea,Don't forg... (Below threshold)
Howcome:

Jay Tea,

Don't forget, history of the world began with the election of Obama. Anything before does not count. Unless it can be used against a republican, a white guy or anybody disagreeing with the left.

Attempting to foment... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


Attempting to foment hate against a group of people
Promulgating a 47-year long CIA-complicit Fake Birth Certificate conspiracy
Complete desperation

You're now entering Fringeville, pop. 600

Enjoy your stay!

Adrian, I find your comment... (Below threshold)

Adrian, I find your comment fascinating.

I've GOT to see how you did those cool check marks.

As for the rest... please. I've been smacking around the Birthers from the outset. I'm not "desperate," I'm angry. And if you think that "fomenting hate" against the people who put Bautsch and Brown in the hospital is a bad thing, then I guess you're just fine with their getting beaten?

J.

AB: "You're now entering Fr... (Below threshold)
Drago:

AB: "You're now entering Fringeville, pop. 600"

Gee, I guess we can add Massachusetts (Scott Brown) and New Jersey (Chris Christie) to the list of "fringeville" locations.

Gee, according to the polls, the "bitter clingers" "fringe-villers" are now about 55-60% of the electorate.

What do you call it when the so called "fringe" becomes 60% of the country?

AB: "Enjoy your stay!"

We already are, and we'll enjoy it even more in November.

Hey, weren't we told just 15 months ago that the Dems would rule for the next 500 years?

Yes, I think we were.

hmmmm

For Adrian and Lee, just ke... (Below threshold)
Drago:

For Adrian and Lee, just keep pushing that "all opposition to Obama is racist and "birtherist"!!"

You are doing more to drive independents into the conservative camp than we could have dreamed for!

BTW, why is unemployment still above 8%? Your messiah told us it would never go above 8%, didn't he?

Maybe that mob of morons and anarchists and che-loving marxists that were outside the fundraiser are simply angry over not having real jobs (besides the stipend that Soros and Axelrod provide them). Yeah, that's the ticket...

Of course Adrian is fine wi... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Of course Adrian is fine with their being beaten. Have you heard even one comment from him otherwise? Of course not. The only leftie to say anything mildly against the beatings was Tina S and she disappeared immediately afterward.

Adrian and Lee are fine with conservatives being attacked and beaten. They see no possible connection with the leftist crowd shouting vulgarities and hate and the people who followed them from the restaurant.

They are content to bring up BS excuses and point at crazy people like birthers. I suppose the fact that there are crazy birthers somewhere in the world is enough excuse for Adrian and Lee to excuse the beating of this couple.

Adrian and Lee have no problem at all with violent attacks on conservatives. They have plenty of reasons to excuse it. They can't even condemn the act if it wasn't politically motivated.

You know, jim m, there's th... (Below threshold)

You know, jim m, there's the old saying on the left that silence equals assent. Adrian and Lee haven't explicitly condemned the beatings of these two Republicans, so I guess we can presume they approve of it.

J.

They should have been armed... (Below threshold)
OLDPUPPYMAX:

They should have been armed.

It was obviously a "hate cr... (Below threshold)
914:

It was obviously a "hate crime"!! The thugzz obviously hate Sarah Palin and conservatives.

Just try it on ME!! Fuckheads and will see who comes out on top? 2 words... Not You!

Do any of you f... (Below threshold)
Do any of you find it strange that a fundraiser for Bobby Jindal would be wearing a Sarah Palin button.
She spoke there, so unless they would have said "...for President," why not?

It's not as if either one has declared. For all we know Jindal might like the idea of being a Palin delegate in 2012.

Anyway, it's all moot as they say. I recently heard from a witness who claims the assailants didn't say anything about Palin buttons. Instead they all shouted, "What's in your wallet?"

"Backwards B carved in y... (Below threshold)
914:

"Backwards B carved in your cheek, anyone?

20. Posted by Lee Ward | April 14, 2010 9:20 AM | Thanks"

No,, But theres a frontwords "R" carved on your forehead dumbfuc!

Jim M - The onl... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Jim M -

The only leftie to say anything mildly against the beatings was Tina S and she disappeared immediately afterward.

Probably realized what she'd done, departing from the party line like that, and fled in terror - after all, when you even tacitly support the enemy, you have to distance yourself as quick and far as possible to maintain your credibility. She'll show up again, eventually, and keep to the party line next time after she's counseled.

But I think she'll remember a woman with a broken leg - done by the folks on her side. And, sooner or later, remember that "Question Authority" isn't a slogan meant to apply ONLY to one political party.

"Adrian and Lee have no pro... (Below threshold)
Hank:

"Adrian and Lee have no problem at all with violent attacks on conservatives."

No, they don't. And yet they strive to point out "hatred" emanating from the right.
How they wrap their heads around this blatant double standard is beyond me.

I'm reminded of something I read a while back..
"Liberalism is not about people; it is about loving ideas more than people."

"Liberalism is not about... (Below threshold)
914:

"Liberalism is not about people; it is about loving ideas more than people."


Who said that?? Lurch?

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UP... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:


★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

No Palin pins involved.

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★


Adrian,That was re... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Adrian,

That was reported last night and as has been said here several times: The fact that an abusive and threatening crowd was gathered outside the event and that it appears the assailents were from that crowd and followed the victems from the restaurant is far more significant. The victims didn't need any pins to identify themselves.

Again, your focus on this in a shabby attempt to discredit the story only shows that you in fact support the violent assault of those with whom you disagree politically.

"No Palin pins involved."</... (Below threshold)
davidt:

"No Palin pins involved."

Maybe someone shouted, "They're wearing Palin pins!"

In all honesty, I would hav... (Below threshold)
914:

In all honesty, I would have thought $harptounge and the rev...erend Jack$some would have been all over this like white on rice? Guess they had another race-baiting gig that superseded their righteous indignation.

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ ... (Below threshold)
914:

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

Adrian soils his depends!


★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

I feel I should interject h... (Below threshold)

I feel I should interject here.

I suspected that the comment at #53 was someone impersonating Adrian Browne, as it was just too stupid -- the "no Palin pins" had already been addressed.

But it also had Adrian's current stunt of putting really cool characters into the body of the comment.

So I checked the identifying info of the comment, and it really was Adrian, being that stupid.

Sorry for doubting you, Adrian. I honestly thought you were smarter and more honest than that.

J.

"New Orleans police say tha... (Below threshold)
davidt:

"New Orleans police say that the incident began about 10:45 p.m. when a group of three to five men made "derogatory comments" to Bautsch and her boyfriend. When the man described as the male victim "turned toward" the group of men, at least one of the men struck him repeatedly. The woman "fell to the ground and screamed," the news release said.

Police released a description of one suspect, saying he was in his 20s, looked "dirty," and wore his hair in an auburn-colored ponytail. The man was 6 feet, 1 inch tall with a thin build, police said. He wore a light-colored T-shirt and dark pants.

Officers in the area responded and requested EMS assistance. The woman used her purse as a pillow while waiting for help. Once she was in the ambulance, the woman realized her purse was missing, the release said."

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/04/police_release_statement_on_ji.html

No purse!?!?!!That... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

No purse!?!?!!

That means the "they weren't robbed so they must have been beaten up because they're Republicans" meme was just more right wing blogger's Bullshit.

I am so surprised.

Are we noticing a pattern here people? Is the ring wing wackosphere just a little too eager to try to find a reason to WAAA like a Palin over this?

It's sad when any crime is committed - especially if people are injured.

Except when you've got Ashley Todd - McCain operative - carving a backwards B in her cheek and claiming a black man mugged her because she had a McCain sticker on her car.

Then it's fraud.

Fraud was committed yesterday when the right wing loonies declared these folks were beaten up because they were wearing Palin pins (see Jay's post from yesterday).

And today Jay's post makes big heapum dustup over the fact that they weren't robbed.

But as we now see - that was bullshit too.

Want more bullshit?

It's also clear that the thugs weren't motivated by robbery.

I'm labeling my belief on this as opinion. You're asserting as absolute truth that I'm wrong, and have absolutely zero evidence to back that up.

By your own standards, that's "lying."

26. Posted by Jay Tea | April 14, 2010 9:55 AM

I didn't assert that you were wrong. I said there was no evidence that you were right.

You really can't tell the difference?

Now there's evidence that you were wrong - again - a second time.

Now tell us what the meanin... (Below threshold)

Now tell us what the meaning of "is" is, Lee.

Lee lee-"I didn... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee lee-

"I didn't assert that you were wrong. I said there was no evidence that you were right.

You really can't tell the difference?

Now there's evidence that you were wrong - again - a second time."


Leave it to a liberal to tell you what you can or cannot do.


No purse!?!?!!... (Below threshold)

No purse!?!?!!

That means the "they weren't robbed so they must have been beaten up because they're Republicans" meme was just more right wing blogger's Bullshit.

Lee, you need to read.

Bautsch had been using her purse as a pillow. She wouldn't need a pillow before the assault. That means that she still had it after the assault. Therefore her assailants didn't take it.

As soon as I saw the mention of the purse, I KNEW you'd bite for it. And bite hard.

The only question was how quickly, and how hard. The answer to both? Very.

And you keep calling the theory that this was politically motivated "bullshit." That means you are absolutely convinced that it is untrue.

Considering your obsession with "truth," I presume you have some serious evidence that disproves it -- not that it simply hasn't been substantiated yet.

And I know that it never will be, to your satisfaction, because you are utterly blinded by your prejudices.

So thanks for pointing out that the citation of when Bautsch's purse was taken is considerable evidence that the assault was NOT a robbery. It's not conclusive, of course, but it is more proof that this was a political beatdown.

J.

Actually Lee the fact that ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Actually Lee the fact that the purse was there AFTER the assault is evidence that robbery was not the motive. Hence, this was not a mugging. With robbery excluded as the motive we then move to the next likely motive: political violence.

You assume that the disappearance of her purse after she used it as a pillow whiole waiting for the ambulance is evidence of robbery as a motive? Are you trying to tell me that the thugs came back and stole it while she was waiting there with the police? Or perhaps you are going to say that the police were in on the robbery too?

You rally are a tool aren't you?

58,"I honestly thoug... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

58,
"I honestly thought you were smarter and more honest than that."

As usual you were wrong, I am stupid and I am dishonest.

So, in the face of less, rather than more, evidence, you're still going with the "Palin supporters are under attack!!!!!" story.

New Orleans has one of the highest crime rates in the US but you assume the worst -- that this was politically motivated.

Was the short term strategy of attempting to boost flagging blog traffic with incendiary claims and wild conspiracies a difficult decision for you?


The screaming part was just... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

The screaming part was just to get attention, probably.

Damn show-off. She's probably faking.

Fact: She was robbed. Her p... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Fact: She was robbed. Her purse was taken.

And I suspect the "my purse was there after the mugging" is just another Republican "backwards B in the cheek" moment.

With all of the police and EMT folks around - her purse wasn't stolen until law enforcement was on the scene???

Riiiiight.

Somebody probably used their coat or purse to prop up the victim's head - and then of course took it away after the EMT folks helped out.

Your canoe has so many holes in it you have to stoop to ad hominem attacks to distract from the facts.

Notice that, so far at least, it is only her word that her purse was there.

I place as much weight in that as I do in the claim that they were wearing Palin pins - which was bullshit as we now know.

Fact: She was robbed (period).

She now claims she wasn't robbed until after the EMTs carried her away, and that with that crowd of police, EMT and on-lookers her purse was stolen after the fact - as all of those folks stood by and watched.

lol... keep paddling. I'll check back in a few hours.

Lee-"Notice tha... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee-

"Notice that, so far at least, it is only her word that her purse was there"

Notice that, its just Barrys word that he would create stimulus jobs.

Is that what you mean? Are you now ASSSSertaining that she was never beaten by Obama jacboot brownshirted wanna be thugzz?

Lee Ward, get the fuck out of here! I want steve green back Mr. Jeckyl.

Actually Lee, the more like... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Actually Lee, the more likely story is that she still had her purse and in the commotion of the EMT's coming and taking her away in the ambulance it got left behind.

It's unlikely that she mistook her purse for someone elses.

Again, you are simply trying to deflect any accountability for the political attack and you have never expressed any concern for the victims.

In fact every post of yours oozes with satisfaction that some conservatives were put in the hospital. You really have no concern for the people involved what-so-ever. What I see in your wroting is ill concealed glee that this happened.

So, Lee, what's your proof ... (Below threshold)

So, Lee, what's your proof that she was LYING!!!!!!!!111! about the purse as pillow?

It's a very plausible scenario. Her leg is broken, she's lying on the ground, she puts her purse under her head to keep it off the pavement. EMTs arrive, they put her on a stretcher and take her away. No one thinks to grab the purse; they're more concerned with her safety.

But you have to make up a whole bunch of shit to make your story work. Thieves take the purse, a stray bystander puts a "coat or purse" of their own under her head, and reclaims it after the rescue.

Folks, you might be in for a rare treat. A classic Lee Ward full frothing psycho meltdown, presented live. Get the popcorn.

J.

I know that if My leg were ... (Below threshold)
914:

I know that if My leg were ever broken by jackboots, the first thing I would think of is "wheres My damn wallet", Yeah, then I would wonder why would lackwits thugzz want My gumball cards and nudie photo's? Oh yeah, to control , intimidate and rule every area of your god damned subservient life!!

Well SCREW YOU OBAMA!!! You to Lee Ward of the state!

Lee Ward..★ BREAKI... (Below threshold)
olhardhead:

Lee Ward..

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

FOR THE SECOND TIME!
THIS WAS NOT A MUGGING : http://thehayride.com/2010/04/the-brennans-beatdown-piecing-together-a-story/


★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER,
ol'

So Jim and Jay - you say it... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

So Jim and Jay - you say it is much more likely that she held onto her purse as her leg was being broken and her purse was stolen right out from under the watchful eyes of the cops and EMTs on the scene?

That's your "most likely" scenario?

Lol... keep paddling.

First we heard that she wasn't robbed. Now we know she was.

FACT: She was robbed.

No. I'm saying that it mos... (Below threshold)
jim m:

No. I'm saying that it most likely got left behind by accident and someone picked it up. I'm saying that it was not a theft.

I said that you were inferring that it must have been stolen right from in front of the police since you are insisting that it was stolen.

It makes far more sense to say that it was there when she say it was and that it went missing when she says it did. You are trying to change the story to avoid the fact that this was a political attack.

Why don't you just admit that you are happy to see conservatives beaten and sent to the hospital?

Probably realized what s... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Probably realized what she'd done, departing from the party line like that, and fled in terror - after all, when you even tacitly support the enemy, you have to distance yourself as quick and far as possible to maintain your credibility.

But I think she'll remember a woman with a broken leg - done by the folks on her side. And, sooner or later, remember that "Question Authority" isn't a slogan meant to apply ONLY to one political party.

JLawson, I don't consider you, conservatives or Tea Partiers the enemy. Al Qaeda is the enemy, not other Americans.

Be careful Tina. Much more ... (Below threshold)

Be careful Tina. Much more of this and you'll be identified by the likes of steve green as a dirty racist teabagger.

Which, you being (I assume) a female, would be quite a trick. ;-)

You know, I thought to myse... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

You know, I thought to myself that as soon as there was mention of her purse missing, Lee would misinterpret it in his zeal to PROVE WE'RE ALL LIARS and claim that the attackers took it.

Hahaha. That was awesome, Lee!

Thanx for another laugh today.

"You know, I thought to ... (Below threshold)
914:

"You know, I thought to myself that as soon as there was mention of her purse missing"


Yeah, She forgot it in Her car... Right next to Her gun and Boosh autographed Koresh version bible.

Oyster, first you say you d... (Below threshold)

Oyster, first you say you don't read Lee's comments. Then you respond to them.

YOU ARE A LYING LIAR AND WILL BE BANNINATED!!!!111!!1!!!

Don't say you weren't warned first, you lying troll liar, you...

J.

"JLawson, I don't consid... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"JLawson, I don't consider you, conservatives or Tea Partiers the enemy. Al Qaeda is the enemy, not other Americans."

Well, on other threads it's seemed like you considered folks you didn't agree with to be somewhat enemy-like and less than worthy of rational discourse, and you tended to identify more with the Lees and Adrians in your political philosophy.

But we do agree on at least one thing - Al Q is the enemy of us all.

People can change... (Below threshold)
914:

People can change

As usual Lee, you confuse y... (Below threshold)
Eric:

As usual Lee, you confuse your opinions with facts. It is not a fact that she was robbed, THAT is your opinion based on the little data that we have. It is also not a fact that she was attacked for political reasons. The police have not provided a motive or the result of their investigation.


As for facts what facts we do know are:
1) The victims did attend the fundraiser at the restaurant
2) There were numerous protestors outside the restaurant and people leaving the restaurant had to pass the protestors
3) The victims were beaten severely within several blocks of the restaurant after departing the restaurant.
4) Contemporaneous video of the protestors shows them shouting "fight back".

Other evidence -
A) According to the police statement, a group of 3 to 5 men made "derogatory comments" of the victims and then attacked.
B) Again according to the police statement, the victim claims she used her purse as a pillow while waiting for help
C) It wan't until she was in the ambulance that she realized her purse was missing.

At this point, the evidence is not conclusive one way or the other. We cannot rule out politics as the motive and we cannot rule out robbery. But Lee, you don't know what the motive was. So unless you are one of the attackers that makes you a liar.

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ ... (Below threshold)
914:

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★


Barry duncealot is extremely upset at Novembers prospective job losses!!

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★ BREAKING NEWS ★ UPDATE ★

Oprah has unsightly growth removed from lips!

Lee's right, probably. Let'... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Lee's right, probably. Let's sum up and move on.

She's faking, trying to trump up a completely innocent mugging into a big fuss news story. If this story was true, somebody would have been arrested by now. It's all a concocted Republican news story.

This is so wrong. Those poor callow youths should sue these two posers for defecation of character. They were just walking down the street after a legal exercise of their First Amendment Rights, minding their own bidness, not doin' NUTHIN'. And then out of nowhere, here they are, falsely accused of all kinds of stuff, besmirching their reputations, for no reason at all, and no proof. Their reputations will be damaged for the rest of their for lives. I ask you, is this JUSTICE?

Besides, bitch probably had it coming anyway.

You are right on Jay. Every... (Below threshold)
Ashley Todd:

You are right on Jay. Everyone knows that muggers hate Republicans and therefore hate America. Why can't we just round up all muggers and ship them off to Australia? Then America would be safe for REAL Americans.

Ray Nagin asked for Obama t... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Ray Nagin asked for Obama to send FEMA in and take care of this local issue. Bring the money cards too.

All adds up to a hate crime. ww

I happen to know that Oyste... (Below threshold)
Not Oyster:

I happen to know that Oyster does not read Lee's comments. I read them and tell her what he says.

Curses, Oyster foiled me ag... (Below threshold)

Curses, Oyster foiled me again...

I'll get you, you pesky little mollusk!

J.

Where is the outrage by the... (Below threshold)
Stan:

Where is the outrage by the women's groups? A woman was assaulted and left on the street by an uncaring society. Oh yeah, she is a conservative and a Republican to boot. How many women have made false accusations and the media have run with it as breaking news at the top of the hour and printed extras with 80 pt banner headlines? Where is Gloria Allred or Wendy Murphy screaming bloody murder? They should be all over the tv box decrying this assault of a woman. Oh that's right, again the woman was not the right color or political persuasion.

Well, on other threads i... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

Well, on other threads it's seemed like you considered folks you didn't agree with to be somewhat enemy-like and less than worthy of rational discourse, and you tended to identify more with the Lees and Adrians in your political philosophy.

JLawson,

You are correct, I use to view people here on WizBang as enemy like. I have made a conscientious effort not to, but I occasionally still do and for that I appologize. I try to spend more time understanding you guys than attacking. Hatred tends to distort ones perception of people.

WOW JAY!!!You cert... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

WOW JAY!!!

You certainly found the soft underbelly of most of the regular liberal trolls around here. They HATE being accused of VIOLENCE.

Except Tina S. who seems to actually view conservatives as human. Thanks Tina for renewing my hope for America.

Crazy Thought bubble..cuz, ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

Crazy Thought bubble..cuz, who says Chicago and New Orleans own BAD!?

> BREAKING NEWS UPDATE BREAKING NEWS UPDATE

BIG EASY GAZZETTE:
Three unidentified bodies were found floating in Sheets Creek. One fitting the description of a suspected "mugger" who mugged a random couple on Friday April 9th.
The man 'in his in his 20s, looked "dirty," and wore his hair in an auburn-colored ponytail. The man was 6 feet, 1 inch tall with a thin build, police said. He wore a light-colored T-shirt and dark pants.'
Mayor Nagin and others are leaning towards this being a run of the mill fishing accident, investigations will wrap up soon.

This still would be a NON-STORY.....
move along...right???!!
lol

Lee.... life's a bitch when... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Lee.... life's a bitch when you no longer wield a Ban Hammer isn't it?

You had it all, a free place to blog (read: post the most hate-filled screeds known to mankind, but "normal" to some left-turds) and offered to you by what can rightly be called an opponent in the circle of ideas.

But that freedom bit you square in the ass.

"Great job, Brownie," er... I mean lee!

Jay stuck it out, and Lee b... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Jay stuck it out, and Lee bit hard, and bit quick. He swallowed what was presented.

When did the comments section become Lee's personal glory hole?

"When did the comm... (Below threshold)
Marc:
"When did the comments section become Lee's personal glory hole?"
Lets check the record...

Just as I thought, from his first comment oh so loooooong ago.

And he ain't changed a bit (except for the part about being a Hillary-Bot, then.. "The Black Man showed up!)

Well Marc, I've heard that ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Well Marc, I've heard that once you go black... you never go back.

Tina S. -You ar... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Tina S. -

You are correct, I use to view people here on WizBang as enemy like. I have made a conscientious effort not to, but I occasionally still do and for that I appologize. I try to spend more time understanding you guys than attacking. Hatred tends to distort ones perception of people.

I bow humbly and respectfully in your direction, Tina. We may disagree on things, but we can disagree respectfully, in most cases - as long as we remember to respect each other.

Hate does very strange things to people - it not only distorts their perceptions of others, it distorts how they treat others around them. It certainly doesn't lead to respect for the ideas of the other side.

And I think sometimes folks get to the point where politics is very much like a 'team sport' - my team's the best, always right, and no matter how poorly managed or performing is the side I'll always cheer for, no matter what results come from their ideas.

The ideology is everything - results are inconsequential, as long as my team's proposing it it'll be fine! Your team sucks, it's always sucked, it'll always suck, and anything your team proposes will never work and never be able to be made to work.

We can't really look at politics like that any more - the ramifications are too important now. Ideas and concepts are all well and good, but when we put ideology above results and reality, when we refuse to look at how what's already in place mixes and reacts with what's being proposed, we set ourselves up for catastrophe.

(For example - take ammonia and bleach. Both useful chemicals, sold over the counter, harmless when used as directed. Mix the two together, and you get gasses that can kill you pretty fast. Call it 'unintended consequences'. What you don't know can hurt you badly, and protesting you didn't realize the results of X mixing with Y isn't going to make the pain any less.)

And politics is FULL of unintended consequences - because part of being a politician is visibly 'doing something' to help your state, district, county, or parish. If you don't - you won't get re-elected. If you do - you stuff more legislation into a bookcase already overflowing, that nobody ever really reads because there's just too much there already.

Yeah, I'm mixing metaphors all over the place - just trying to make things clear as possible.

Anyway - maybe we can all get more done by talking with each other instead of shouting at each other. And maybe we can recognize when a politician's doing something hazardous, that'll give ALL of us problems down the line, no matter how well that bottle of bleach is marked, and no matter how pretty that tank of ammonia is labeled...

But I'm sure he'll also ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

But I'm sure he'll also continue to try to play the persecuted martyr card, though. It's the other trick in his repertoire.

And I'll continue to ignore his droolings as usual.

Lee bites at the bait quick... (Below threshold)
davidt:

Lee bites at the bait quicker and harder than a largemouth bass.

I've GOT to see how you ... (Below threshold)
James Cloninger:

I've GOT to see how you did those cool check marks.

Big whoop. It's character 8730...just type an ampersand (&) then a octothorpe (#) and the number 8730. He isn't that clever:

Adrian is a dumbarse? √.

"Well Marc, I've h... (Below threshold)
Marc:
"Well Marc, I've heard that once you go black... you never go back."
Based on poll numbers of late more than a few that "went black," are at best regretting it, at worst kicking themselves.
"I CONDEM THE THUGS. Lets h... (Below threshold)
Greg:

"I CONDEM THE THUGS. Lets hope they are caught and spend a long time in jail.


12. Posted by Tina S"

Thank you, Tina S.

A "mugger" breaking a femal... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

A "mugger" breaking a female victim's leg??

Her purse disappearing AFTER the "muggers" were gone?

THIS IS A RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!!!!

Here is actually transpired: Ms Bautsch "mugged" Mr Brown, breaking his nose, fracturing his jaw, and giving him a concussion. In an attempt to cover up the assault, Ms Bautsch then repeatedly beat her leg against a parking meter pole severely fracturing her leg. She then lay down on the sidewalk, placing her purse under her head, and to divert attention even further, she threw her purse away as she was treated by paramedics.

That about cover it Lee??




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