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Friday's New Orleans Republican Beatdown Update

More and more details are emerging in the brutal assault of Allee Bautsch and Joe Brown last Friday night in New Orleans. The latest version of the events is this:

  • Bautsch, the chief campaign fundraiser for Louisiana's Republican Governor Bobby Jindal, attended a high-powered fundraising dinner at Brennan's, a very ritzy restaurant in the French Quarter.
  • Numerous leftists and far leftists protested at the event, getting so boisterous that the police were summoned and dispersed the protesters.
  • After the event, Brautsch and Brown left the restaurant on foot.
  • After about a block or so, they noticed that they were being followed by a group of about five men who started shouting insults (and, presumably, threats).
  • Brown turned to confront the gang while urging Brautsh to fun for safety.
  • Four of the followers fell upon Brown, beating him savagely, leaving him with a broken nose, a concussion, and numerous contusions. Some of those contusions were on his hand, indicating that he fought back with some effectiveness.
  • The fifth pursued and caught Brown, who suffered a broken leg.
  • When police and paramedics arrived, Brown was lying on the sidewalk with her head resting on a curb, her purse under her head as a pillow.
  • The descriptions of the assailants matches those of some of the protesters caught on video outside Brennan's.

(As before, The Hayride is all over this story.)

It should be noted that "latest version" does not mean that the story has been constantly changing. On the contrary, with a single exception, the story has been evolving in a remarkably consistent fashion; each new detail fills in more of the picture in a consistent fashion. The sole element that has been discredited were the initial reports that Brautsch and Brown were wearing Palin pins, and those were the "provocation" for the assault. Everything else hangs together remarkably well.

Now, for the stuff that has yet to be substantiated, but seems reliable:

One blogger interviewed the New Orleans Police Department spokesman about the case, who confirmed that the insults shouted by the gang of assailants was "of a political nature." The spokesman later walked back those details, not precisely denying or retracting them, but clearly regretful that he had let those details slip out.

Finally, for the completely speculative part. What seems to have happened is that a gang of leftists and anarchists, most likely affiliated with the Iron Rail Gang, heard about the Republican fundraiser at Brennan's and got involved in the protests outside. Being typical leftist/anarchist punkasses, they got a bit rowdy and the police were summoned. Most of the protesters dispersed, but a few lingered. Then, when the fundraiser broke up, they saw Brautsch and Brown leaving on foot. Emboldened by their superior numbers and "righteous rage against the Right," they followed them, shouted insults, then delivered a thorough beatdown of the Republikkkans.

Now, that the details are emerging and people are connecting them back to their friends, their associates, their ties, they can feel the noose drawing tighter around their necks. They know that it's only a matter of time -- very short time -- until they're identified and arrested and charged for their act of "righteous moral outrage" that put two people in the hospital.

When that happens, when it is confirmed that the beatings of Bautsch and Brown was an act of political violence, that they had their bones broken for the unforgivable sin of being conservative in public, then it will be time to wave the bloody shirt in the faces of the left and demand that they acknowledge that their own side has some serious problems with violence and thuggery and inflammatory rhetoric, that their own side has committed the most serious act of political violence in years.

Not yet, though. Not yet.

Not until every single detail has been nailed down, not until every "i" is dotted and every "t" is crossed, not until the assailants have been identified and tied together, not until there is not a shadow of a doubt in any reasonable mind just what went down last Friday night.

There's an old saying: "when you strike against a king, be sure to kill him." It's one of the wisest pieces of political wisdom I've ever encountered: when striking against someone or something powerful, be absolutely certain that the attack will not leave the target in a position to hit back. A wounded king is a powerfully vengeful foe.

For years now, the left has been simultaneously denouncing the "political violence and hatred" of the right while simultaneously its own fringe elements have carried out the lion's share of that violence. This time they've finally gone too far, and they're going to get nailed to the wall. They're going to get crucified on the cross they've tried to shove the right on to.

But it has to be done right. The case against the assailants has to be utterly unassailable. It has to be locked down in every detail, or it will get picked apart and hung up on the slightest imperfections.

We know this will happen. Look at the earliest threads on this story here. The far left trolls here immediately seized on the Palin pins report and tried to use that as a cudgel to rip the entire story apart. Then, when they were flailing for the "robbery gone bad" theory, they grabbed on Bautsch's loss of her purse -- never noting that it disappeared after the assault, after the police arrived, and she was photographed using it as a pillow while talking to police (meaning that the assailants could not have taken it).

What will be most telling is not how many on the left will eventually admit that it was their own extremists, who they failed to police (like they demand of the right), who put these two young people in the hospital. No, what will be most telling is how many of them will get ahead of the curve on this one and acknowledge that they have not been monitoring their own fringe, checking their own extremists, and trying to rein in their own crazies.

Those ones will be the ones worth watching. Those ones will be the ones who are the most reasonable, sensible, and responsible members of the left, and those ones are the ones we need to reach out to.

Not castigate them. Not harangue them. Not lambaste them.

Reach out to them. Draw them away from their own fringe, and towards the more reasonable middle ground. And build a united front of reasonable, responsible, rational politically-obsessed nuts.

As easy and comfortable as it is to dismiss the entire left as commie pinko socialist thugs, it's not an accurate picture. They're just usually the most vocal and visible. And they've got us all pegged as Bircher Birther fascist gun-toting creationist Jesus freaks and willing serfs of our corporate masters, and that's equally untrue.

This could be the tipping point. It could bring a harsh -- but needed -- dose of reality that could wake up the majority of the left.

Alternately, it could convince conservatives that the only way they can be assured of their safety in public is to start to exercise their Constitutional rights of bearing arms and self defense, and the next mob of far-left anarchist thugs that goes after what looks like easy prey could end up thoroughly ventilated and suffering from acute lead poisoning.

Time will tell.


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Stupid leftists... Theve ju... (Below threshold)
914:

Stupid leftists... Theve just opened the door to being shot if they follow my ass from a tea party event.

We need to outlaw the hatef... (Below threshold)
Ima Lefty:

We need to outlaw the hateful speech of Beck, Rush, O'Reily, and other Republikkkans because it is resulting in a divided nation and leads to violence like what happened here. I really hope Pres. Obama re-implements the fairness doctorine in some type of form. Then we can get back to a more harmonious atmosphere that isn't so devisive, racist, and homophobic.

ima leftyhahahahaha<... (Below threshold)
rain of lead:

ima lefty
hahahahaha
really?

Funny how CNN has not made ... (Below threshold)
914:

Funny how CNN has not made one mention of this hate crime beat down?

If this were supporters of Obama coming from a Hussein starbucks rally, CNN would be going 24/7 about the extremist rightwing hate crime perpetrators.

Hypocrites

Rain of Lead gets a gold st... (Below threshold)
Ima Lefty:

Rain of Lead gets a gold star. I was just joking, but I'm sure there really are people on the left who take this moronic view.

The first instinct of the l... (Below threshold)
John:

The first instinct of the left is to "outlaw speech" what else needs to be said. I hate you because you dare state your beliefs so either STFU or get the crap kicked out of you. Gee and all along I thought the ACLU (CL being Civil Liberties) was a left leaning organization. Seems they should jump in here to protect the liberties of these 2 conservatives. Oh but wait they are hate filled and just begging to have their butts kicked. My bad......

Well Ima Lefty, if you ever... (Below threshold)
914:

Well Ima Lefty, if you ever want to troll you sure got the art down pat!

At least in Boston they onl... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

At least in Boston they only threw eggs.

The rightwing nutjobs on he... (Below threshold)
Left of steve green:

The rightwing nutjobs on here need to step down all the hateful tea bagger rhetoric aimed at the president because of their true racist hatred of his skin color.

He is your president too, so stop hating and let's do what Barak say's and make the world a better less divisive place.

And there it is, you get th... (Below threshold)
John:

And there it is, you get the crap beat out of you because you are all RACISTS. The last card in the deck the race card, pretty clumsy play of the card though. You should at least reference the terrible conduct of the "teabaggers" in Washington when they called members of CBC names, oops wait a second I guess no one can actually prove that happened, oh well that's ok where "teabaggers" are concerned all that "innocent unti PROVEN guilt" stuff doesn't apply. SOOOOOO, STFU or have the tolerant left lay a little SPECIAL tolerance on you!

So tell me did the same app... (Below threshold)
John:

So tell me did the same apply to GW Bush was he everyone's president too? Oh I forgot he and Haliburton stole those elections so that didn't count. Besides he's actually Hitler or something.... SOOOOO, STFU or have a little SPECIAL tolerance from the left, you know the kind of tolerance that breaks your jaw! OH and don't forget DICK CHENEY ooooooh

914,It's probably ... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

914,

It's probably also notable that The Won hasn't found a camera to stand in front of and announce that Bautsch and Brown "acted stupidly." At least he did that much for the Cambridge Police.

If you are waiting for CNN ... (Below threshold)
glenn:

If you are waiting for CNN please don't hold your breath.

Jay,Final... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Jay,

Finally, for the completely speculative part. What seems to have happened is that a gang of leftists and anarchists, most likely affiliated with the Iron Rail Gang, heard about the Republican fundraiser at Brennan's and got involved in the protests outside. Being typical leftist/anarchist punkasses, they got a bit rowdy and the police were summoned. Most of the protesters dispersed, but a few lingered. Then, when the fundraiser broke up, they saw Brautsch and Brown leaving on foot. Emboldened by their superior numbers and "righteous rage against the Right," they followed them, shouted insults, then delivered a thorough beatdown of the Republikkkans.

I condemn thee for contributing to the downward spiral of political discourse.


Alternately, it co... (Below threshold)
James H:
Alternately, it could convince conservatives that the only way they can be assured of their safety in public is to start to exercise their Constitutional rights of bearing arms and self defense, and the next mob of far-left anarchist thugs that goes after what looks like easy prey could end up thoroughly ventilated and suffering from acute lead poisoning.

Is it wrong that I've spent the last couple days wondering about New Orleans handgun and concealed-carry laws?

"Everything else hangs t... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Everything else hangs together remarkably well."

Again, in your dreams only.

There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the mugging and robbery was politically motivated.

The previous claim that the pair were wearing Palin pins was 100% false, and just another attempt by a right wing hack to pour bullshit on the American people.

The previous claim that the pair weren't robbed was false as well, and just another attempt by a right wing hack to pour bullshit on the American people. This time, unlike yesterday's post, you're not claiming they weren't robbed, you're just omitting the fact that her purse was stolen.

Gee - so far, all that's been proven is that the right wing blogosphere is desperately spinning bullshit all over this story hoping it turns into a political football.

Meanwhile THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the attack was politically motivated.

What will be most telling is not how many on the left will eventually admit that it was their own extremists, who they failed to police (like they demand of the right), who put these two young people in the hospital.

Meanwhile THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the attack was politically motivated.

They weren't wearing Palin pins. That was bullshit.

The statement made that they weren't robbed is bullshit.

You ignore the facts, embrace bullshit, and make up the rest to fit some pathetic desire to make this into something it isn't.

Carve a damn backwards B in your cheek and get on with it, Jay. Your attempts to make this into something is silly.

I don't know any specifics,... (Below threshold)

I don't know any specifics, James, but I do know that back during Katrina, one of the top priorities of the police and National Guard (translation: mayor and governor, both upstanding Democrats) was going around and confiscating guns from registered owners.

That tells us quite a bit.

J.

Lee and only Lee knows the ... (Below threshold)
John:

Lee and only Lee knows the truth about all things. Lee knows all the evidence and can with out any doubt tell us that what happened in New Orleans has nothing to do with politics unless of course these 2 RACISTS did it them selves. Then of course it's another in the long line of false flag operations. These hick KKK memebers will stop at nothing to advance their hate even breaking their own legs!

Jay,Not y... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Jay,

Not yet, though. Not yet.

Not until every single detail has been nailed down, not until every "i" is dotted and every "t" is crossed, not until the assailants have been identified and tied together, not until there is not a shadow of a doubt in any reasonable mind just what went down last Friday night.

A. This will never happen in this case. There's no videotape, so unless the perpetrators are proud enough of their actions to brag about it, you won't get every last detail locked down. Given the fact that some of those involved seem to be deleting some of their past online presence, I don't think you're going to get any of them to brag about it.

B. You had this level of detail locked down in the Kenneth Gladney beating. You had videotape (from 2 different camera/angles) of the beating. You had the people who committed the crime identified. And you had them given less than a slap on the wrist as punishment.

in the Kenneth Gladney case you had it all locked down as you want (with bonus points for having a black conservative as the victim(, and yet you can't even get a moderate liberal like James H. to acknowledge that it was people on the left who committed the beating, much less condemn it.

Oh, Lee. Here I was writing... (Below threshold)

Oh, Lee. Here I was writing another piece that indirectly referred to you, and you pop back up again.

The Palin pins -- already addressed. Learn to read, you frothing ninny.

The robbery -- I didn't say they weren't robbed, I said they weren't robbed BY THEIR ASSAILANTS. There is photographic proof that Bautsch was still in possession of her purse after they were beaten; ergo, the people who beat them didn't take her purse.

The motives of the attackers: when you say "HERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the attack was politically motivated," you reveal yourself to be the lying liar we all know you are.

There is plenty of EVIDENCE that it was politically motivated. What has yet to be found is CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE or PROOF.

-- We have descriptions of the attackers that match protesters caught on video.

-- We have accounts that prior to and during the attacks, politically-related insults and threats were hurled.

-- We have accounts that Bautsch and Brown were followed from the restaurant, where they were attending a political function, until they were attacked.

No, it's not proof, but it is EVIDENCE. And your refusal to recognize that it is evidence is proof that you're either a liar, incredibly stupid, or delusional.

Or hell -- all three. They're not mutually exclusive, and your own tenuous grasp of reality is thoroughly documented.

Ask anyone with a dictionary, Lee -- "evidence" is not a synonym for "proof." That's why I make points to differentiate facts, evidence, and opinion.

But I know you, Lee. I knew you'd bite hard on the purse angle hard; I just didn't realize how hard you would, and how you'd keep flogging it long after you'd been PROVEN a lying liar. And I know that you're going to keep riding that "Palin pins" thing right into the dust, even though it falls under the "fog" that always emerges immediately after a big story -- lots of stuff goes flying that later proves to be incorrect.

There are tons of other elements here that hang together, and hang tight around the necks of your ideological peers, Lee. But you don't dare address them, so you fixate on something that has already been addressed and dismissed days ago.

The stench of desperation you're giving off positively reeks, dude. Why don't you just slink off again and pretend that none of this happened?

The rest of us won't forget, but maybe you can delude yourself a little longer.

And for the record: you're STILL not even close to getting banned, so hang up that martyr complex. I LIKE how you keep utterly beclowning yourself.

J.

Kenny, the deletions themse... (Below threshold)

Kenny, the deletions themselves are evidence of guilt. In court, such things are often cited as such -- why would an innocent person so frantically try to destroy evidence? Hell, in some cases, I hear, juries are instructed to presume that the stuff the defendant destroyed was as incriminating as possible.

They're covering their tracks as best they can. But they can't do it completely -- and by following what they do, we get a good idea of where they think they're the most vulnerable.

It's like the old thief's trick -- "sir, you dropped your wallet." The first reaction is to reach for where the wallet is kept, telling the thief precisely where you have it. They're saying that they think that their online activity makes them look guilty, so it probably does.

J.

Upset Old Guy-Yes... (Below threshold)
914:

Upset Old Guy-

Yes, interesting he didn't find a camera to celebrate tax day and set an example of how proud he is to pay at the new rate he, piglosi and the rest of the leftists prescribes for "RICH AMERICANS" after the Bush tax cuts expire either. He was too busy defunding NASA and ordering proclamations to hospitals which he has no place doing.

glenn-

Ive come to accept CNN's bs.. I have to get my satellite back so I can get FOX again. Just haven't got around to it yet.

Hey Jay, even if Lee hasn't... (Below threshold)
John:

Hey Jay, even if Lee hasn't concluded this was politically motivated many of his friends have, you can tell because they are blaming it on the victims. Heck they are even suggesting free speach rights be taken away as punishment for saying things they don't like. Soooooo, while we might not ever get Lee to agree at least his friends have already come to the conclusion this was a political act and that these 2 had it coming. I wonder if they feel that way about rape too.

"Lee and only Lee knows ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Lee and only Lee knows the truth about all things."

No, Jay is in charge of making up the truth. I just wish he's base his made up truths on facts, instead of his childish fantasies about persecution.

I remember well the Ashley Todd story. Wizbangers refused to believe the truth and clung desperately to the bullshit that Todd had been mugged by a black man because she had an Obama bumper sticker, and after her money was taken the black man carved a B in her cheek.

Total 100% bullshit.

No doubt this pair was mugged. I'm not questioning that. But there is no evidence that the mugging was politically motivated.

In fact, there's evidence that the people involved in reporting this story are bullshitters. The pair wasn't wearing Palin pins - as Jay and others breathlessly reported a few days ago, and her purse was stolen - despite reports that it wasn't.

Given that the right wing has now been proven to be bullshitting on this story, I suggest we wait for more facts to emerge before we draw any conclusions.

At this point, there is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was politically motivated -- and we know that right wing bullshitters are bullshitting to try to convince people that it was politically motivated.

Until we KNOW something more than that, fantasies such as this post of Jay's should be viewed with a skeptical eye.

The SLRC asked for it. It ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

The SLRC asked for it. It was wearing a short skirt. Right Lee?

Meanwhile THERE IS... (Below threshold)
Eric:
Meanwhile THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the attack was politically motivated.

No evidence?

Mr. Young confirmed to me that the New Orleans police had indeed taken statements from both of the victims, Jindal aide Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend, Joe [Brown]. He confirmed that in those statements, the victims reported that their assailants had indeed hurled "insults" at them, and the "insults" were, and I quote, "of a political nature". Describing the entire attack, he went on to say "it was of a political nature".

Who is Mr. Young, he is the New Orleans Police Department Public Information Officer. Essentially, the Press Secretary to the NOPD. He went on the record to describe the attack as "of a political nature."

Most people would call that evidence.

Lee, the New Orleans PD sai... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Lee, the New Orleans PD said on the record that the attack appears to be "politically motivated." Now you are denying that there is any evidence. You are the one who is spreading Bullshit. Or are you a LIAR?

Lee, take your meds. You kn... (Below threshold)
Mommy:

Lee, take your meds. You know how you get when you get in one of your "up" moods. You don't want to go back AGAIN, do you? You have to do your part, and that means you have to take your meds on schedule. They're for your own good.

By the way Lee, for the rec... (Below threshold)
Eric:

By the way Lee, for the record this is what I wrote about Ashley Todd less than 30 minutes after the 1st Post about the case.

These are the kind of things that are so over the top that they often tend to be bogus BS. It would not be the first time somebody has faked something like this to get attention and made everyone look foolish for getting bent out of shape. I recommend restraint in the outrage department until this is better confirmed.

So when you say:

I remember well the Ashley Todd story. Wizbangers refused to believe the truth and clung desperately to the bullshit that Todd had been mugged by a black man because she had an Obama bumper sticker, and after her money was taken the black man carved a B in her cheek. Total 100% bullshit.

It wasn't 100% Bullshit, because at least one person on Wizbang did not get sucked into the hype. So you are spreading BULLSHIT.

By the way Lee, you misspelled the girl's name, it is spelled T-A-W-A-N-A B-R-A-W-L-E-Y.

"Most people would call ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Most people would call that evidence."

Not Lee. His standards are a bit... different.

oooooh Ashley Todd the sing... (Below threshold)
John:

oooooh Ashley Todd the single conservative false flag operator you if you bring that up a hundred times it's still only 1 incident. Nice diversion. By they way Jay said he is SPECULATING or did you miss that. You on the other say things with absolute athority like they was robbed! Oh MY GOD they did not have on PALIN pins another racist lie from the lying RACIST right. Please someone outlaw their speech before we have to kick the $hit out of more of them.

Initial reports that the... (Below threshold)

Initial reports that the two were wearing Sarah Palin buttons have been denied, and thus reports that they were beaten for wearing those buttons is likewise discredited.

I said that TWO DAYS ago, Lackwit Lee. Why do you keep refighting that one?

Oh, yeah. Because it's the only thing you have to argue about.

You insist on bringing up the robbery angle, referring to Bautsch's purse being missing, but refuse to mention the photo of Bautsch lying on the ground, talking to a police officer, her purse under her head -- INDISPUTABLE PROOF that those who assaulted her did not take her purse.

You also keep bringing up the Ashley Todd case. You are implying that Bautsch and Brown injured themselves for political gain, or allowed it? Grow a pair and come out and say it, or drop it.

No doubt this pair was mugged. I'm not questioning that. But there is no evidence that the mugging was politically motivated.

No, they weren't, you lying liar sack. They were ASSAULTED.

"Mugging" is legally defined as "assault with intent to rob." You keep insisting that I can't speculate on the motives of the attackers, but you insist on saying that you know their intent by calling it a "mugging."

I find myself wondering if you have an alibi for the time of the assault. Then I recall that you've only shown the slightest bit of courage online, and even then it's seriously weak.

Keep spinning, keep lying, keep obfuscating. More evidence keeps emerging, and it keeps putting your fellow leftist psychopaths in the bullseye for a politically-motivated hate crime.

And each time you post a fresh set of lies, I get a happy, knowing that you're discrediting yourself far, far better than I could ever even hope to do.

J.

OOPS my bad I forgot about ... (Below threshold)
John:

OOPS my bad I forgot about the most famous false flag operation of all the 911 thing. No nuts on the left on that one is there? How about a deal, we kick the crap out of every one of those guys when we see them after all acusing "OUR" president of killing 3,000 Americans is pretty damn hateful. That's ok though that hate speach is patriotic.

Afterall Haliburton and CHENEY OOOOOOOH.

Meanwhile THERE IS... (Below threshold)
jim m:
Meanwhile THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the attack was politically motivated.

What Lee really means is that there is no evidence that will ever make him admit that it was politically motivated. He has already made up his mind that there is nothing that will ever convince him. Just like the other troll who insisted that we give up our rights to free speech in return for a vauge promise that we won't be assaulted, there is nothing that will ever convince them that they are wrong either in their aims or their means.

Lee is beyond convincing. You could get a video tape of the beating and a public confession and he would still deny it. He would just shift to saying that the lefties were provoked in some way.

"No doubt this pair was ... (Below threshold)
914:

"No doubt this pair was mugged. I'm not questioning that. But there is no evidence that the mugging was politically motivated."

Yeah right. They just happened to wait around and follow these 2 down the block, they were not interested in mugging and beating the other 3 dozen people that meandered by every 15 minutes or so.

And if? they were mugged? Why did they leave her purse? Enquiring minds would like to know?

What Lee won't mention is t... (Below threshold)

What Lee won't mention is that Wizbang first reported the Ashley Todd story at 4:13 p.m. on October 23, 2008, and posted a followup expressing serious doubts at 1:18 a.m. on October 24. So in just over nine hours, we were already off that bandwagon.

Lee won't mention that because it disrupts his fantasy image of Wizbang and the real world.

Just like he won't let little things like a picture of Bautsch's purse in her possession after the assault or the legal definition of "mugging" mess with his vision of reality in this case.

Of course, I'm presuming that he's so mentally ill as to be delusional. He could just be a lying liar troll who's frantically trying to change the subject away from facts that he doesn't like, and can't just delete and ban away like he used to.

Oh, how the once-mighty (well, small fish in a very small pond) have fallen...

J.

So wearing a Palin pin just... (Below threshold)

So wearing a Palin pin justifies being beaten to a pulp by some ignorant lefttard? It's all Rush and O'Reilly's fault because they are exercising their Constitutional Right to Free Speech? The Right - and only the Right - is supposed to sit down, STFU and let the Left destroy the Constitution and the credibility of the United States of America.

What unadulted horseshit that is, Lee, and you should be ashamed of yourself for such faulty and obviously partisan lack of reasoning. Go to your room, get back on your meds and think about how utterly un-American is your stance!

Jim, sorta like the Ken Gla... (Below threshold)
John:

Jim, sorta like the Ken Gladney deal, but I guess that union guys counter protesting a conservative gathering wouldn't necesarily be leftist........right. Of course there's always the mitigating circumstances that Ken is a rabid RACIST and was spreading hate speech about "our" beloved leader. So that one probably doesn't count, besides I think all the video was done in a studio in St Paul and was all another false flag operation. You know the kind we conservatives are always perpetuating trying to paint the tolerant left as violent.

Oh and be careful what you say as I understand conservative speech is about to be outlawed or something.

JLawson:... (Below threshold)
_Mike_:

JLawson:

His standards are a bit... different.

That's a LIE! He has no standards, which I guess.. is sort of a standard, but nevermind that... YOU LIE! LIE! LIAR! PANTS ON FIRE!

Hey Lee, since you seem to ... (Below threshold)
John:

Hey Lee, since you seem to have a handle on all the Ashley Todd stuff can you please build a list of all the dirty false flag operators on the right? Or do you continually bring up Ashely Todd because you can't think of another one? Please don't include 911 I stipulate we conservatives did that one (we also killed Kennedy by the way.)

Anyone wanna get in on a be... (Below threshold)

Anyone wanna get in on a betting pool for when Lying Liar Lee will change his spin to some variant of "they were asking for it?" You know -- they provoked it, they started the fight, they used hateful language...

J.

Jay, if and when Lee does s... (Below threshold)
John:

Jay, if and when Lee does start to blame the vitims he'll be late to the party most of his friends in this comment string have already done that. Which I think is EVIDENCE of this being politically motivated, not PROOF mind you but evidence.

I think Lee's next spin wil... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

I think Lee's next spin will be "everyone does it", with heavy emphasis on KKK lynchings just like he doesn't know the KKK was ALL DEMOCRATS.

No bet, though.

Kirtz1, you're probably rig... (Below threshold)
John:

Kirtz1, you're probably right after all everything any conserative has ever done lives on forever, the left on the other hand.... not so much. They beat the crap out of Ken Gladney and all we hear is Ashely Todd like those 2 things balance each other out. They scratch racial slurs in their own cars and all the left can talk about is Ashely Todd like those things balance each other out. But you know the story, no sense in debating with them. I think Ashley Todd is Dick Cheney's love child with the devil or something so she is the counter balance to any and all misdeeds on the left.

I agree with Jay. Lee will... (Below threshold)
Eric:

I agree with Jay. Lee will eventually spin it that a young woman and her boyfriend started the fight, and 5 innocent youths were the real victims of this heinous attack. (or is it hyena's attack?)

""Most people would call... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

""Most people would call that evidence."

Not Lee. His standards are a bit... different.

Obviously! We've already seen that this blog repeats lies until they are proven false, such as Jay's report two days ago that the pair were wearing Palin pins.

100% BULLSHIT.

As to any statements made by the victims, I give that as much weight as Ashley Todd's statements. Todd reported she was mugged by a black Obama supporter.

100% BULLSHIT.

The victims are political operatives. Their statement is "evidence" just as Ashley Todd's lies were "evidence" -- statements that should not be taken as facts.

It took Wizbang 24 hours to pull back from Ashley Todd's lies. It took Wizbang 24 hours to pull back from the lie that the victims were wearing Palin pins.

OH MY GOD I forgot all abou... (Below threshold)
John:

OH MY GOD I forgot all about Ashely Todd, nevermind after all since she did that terrible thing, it proves that every single stinking conservative on the planet is a liar or is it just evidence of the lying. Oh and did you hear they WERE NOT WEARING PALIN PINS please stop saying they were. Good lord people how could you possibly think this was politically motivated, after all couple of racist just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and got what they deserved, it's really just justice (not social justice the real kind). NOTHING TO SEE HERE quit speculating that this was political.

Lee-So you automat... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Lee-

So you automatically disregard the statements of the victims. You continue to disregard them when they are substantiated by photographic evidence (the purse).

This says to me that you have made up your mind before even hearing the evidence and you are just spinning.

What do you say of Cleaver's accusations? I suppose that you accept them as true without even thinking despite the fact that numberous videos of the event provide prof that he is full of BS.

You are deeply dishonest and you are a perfect example of the thug mentality of the left today.

Still Lee, it is evidence. ... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Still Lee, it is evidence. The testimony of the victims is still evidence. Whether it is truthful or not is determined by other evidence that corroborates or disputes their evidence.

So when you say there is "NO EVIDENCE WHAT SO EVER", that is 100% Bullshit. That makes you a LIAR!!!

So show that their testimony is false. By the way, you keep mispelling the name T-A-W-A-N-A B-R-A-W-L-E-Y.

On top of everything else, ... (Below threshold)

On top of everything else, Lee Ward can't do math.

It took Wizbang 24 hours to pull back from Ashley Todd's lies. It took Wizbang 24 hours to pull back from the lie that the victims were wearing Palin pins.

Nine hours, Lee. Nine hours and five minutes.

The pins? My initial article, 1:00 p.m. on April 13. The correction: 6:00 a.m. on April 14. 17 hours.

The gaps, together, add up to 26 hours and 5 minutes. So we can see how accurate Mr. Ward is -- off by about 85%.

(Do NOT cross swords with me on matters of math, Mr. Ward. I will utterly destroy you there.)

So when are you going to back off on the "mugging" OUTRAGEOUS LIE, Lee? It's conclusively proven that the assailants did NOT take her purse during the assault. Well, conclusively proven to anyone with more than two cells of integrity and reason, which excludes you. So I guess the answer is "never."

Fact: Bautsch and Brown were ASSAULTED.

For the assault to qualify as an attempted mugging, there would have to be some kind of proof that the attack an intended robbery. As Mr. Ward likes to repeat and repeat and repeat, we have no PROOF of motive at this point -- but he's certain it was a robbery anyway.

I'd warn Mr. Ward about the First Rule Of Holes, but I really, really, really enjoy looking down at him and kicking dirt on him. And the louder he shouts "I'M NOT IN THE HOLE, YOU ARE!!!," the more dirt lands in his mouth.

J.

Jay, look closely at the pi... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Jay, look closely at the picture where Allee and Joe are on the ground. Beside the police officer's foot appears to be a man's wristwatch. Joe still has his on his wrist in the picture.

It looks like a nice watch for a mugger. And they left it behind. Kind of careless to leave your watch behind if you are robbing someone.

"It took Wizbang 24 hours t... (Below threshold)
engineer:

"It took Wizbang 24 hours to pull back from the lie that the victims were wearing Palin pins."

Shame on you Jay Tea! Reporting that they had Palin pins on. How dare you repeat what was initially reported. You should have immediately divined and reported that they didn't have Palin pins on. I mean everybody knows she's a 'wacko diva' and nobody in their right mind would be wearing a pin with her name on it. And if those five poor innocent youth had even thought they had Palin pins on, it would only be correct for them to attempt to get those two off the street before they hurt themselves or others seeing that they were bat s--t crazy. Why Jay, you should have exalted the courageousness of those five for making New Orleans, yeah the World, a better place, full of hopeless change!

engineer, I'm hanging my he... (Below threshold)

engineer, I'm hanging my head in shame.

And I'm hanging something else over Lee's mouth.

You know, I could never really saw the appeal of "teabagging" before...

J.

C'mon, in Lee's world, he n... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

C'mon, in Lee's world, he never said anything bad about Obama before he won the primaries, either. Or deleted comments at Blue. Or Banned people because he was losing arguments. Or...

Also Jay, I don't mean to q... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Also Jay, I don't mean to quibble. They were more than assaulted, they were battered.

Generally, assault involves the threat and apprehension of violence, not necessarily actual physical contact.

For example, if I charge at you screaming a war cry, but never touch you, I would be guilty of assault. If I then beat you senseless that would be battery.

A pack of 5 guys hurling insults at a young couple on dark street, would generally constitute assault. The victims getting a broken leg and a broken jaw would generally qualify as battery.

Touche', Eric. I stand corr... (Below threshold)

Touche', Eric. I stand corrected. I will try to keep that in mind for future remarks -- along with remembering that Joe Brown suffered not just a broken nose, but a broken jaw as well. For some reason, I keep forgetting that...

J.

You guys got p*wned by Pat ... (Below threshold)
Jymn:

You guys got p*wned by Pat Dollard. No, the cop did not say it was politically motivated. He states he told Dollard the exact opposite. Please do better research.

You continue to di... (Below threshold)
Stan:
You continue to disregard them when they are substantiated by photographic evidence (the purse).

He (Lee Ward) will claim those photos were photoshopped and thus, are not to be believed. Hell I doubt that Lee could even launch photoshop even if he had on his puter.

"Anyone wanna get in on a b... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"Anyone wanna get in on a betting pool for when Lying Liar Lee..."

Hell yes, you KNOW its going to happen.

My money is he latches onto the point where the boyfriend turned to face the assailants. That's "provocation" in his mind.

As an aside, if they do catch the assailants I hope they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Got a link for that, Jymn?<... (Below threshold)

Got a link for that, Jymn?

J.

Jay, I think that link is <... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

Jay, I think that link is http://www.totalfictionandBS.org


DJ, your link redirects to ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

DJ, your link redirects to DNC.org

Jymn may want to check Yaho... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Jymn may want to check Yahoo news which is now reporting that the incident may have been politically motivated.

Hate it when the media ruins your narrative, don't you.

Yahoo News has now correcte... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Yahoo News has now corrected their report.

Update: This post initially didn't note that in Dollard's characterization, NOPD Public Information Officer Bob Young back-tracked on his initial repeated characterization of the attacks "as politically motivated" to say he "wasn't sure." We've added copy to make that clear. We will have more reporting on this later today.

Update: Bob Young, though confirming that the question of political motivation is a part of the investigation, is denying Dollard's report that he said the attacks were of a "political nature" to Politico's Ben Smith and saying Dollard's account of what he said is "completely incorrect."

Hate it when the facts ruins your narrative, don't you?

Brown turned to confront t... (Below threshold)
cris:

Brown turned to confront the gang while urging Brautsh to fun for safety.
* Four of the followers fell upon Brown . . .
* The fifth pursued and caught Brown, who suffered a broken leg.
* When police and paramedics arrived, Brown was lying on the sidewalk with her head resting on a curb . . .

Proofreading is important! Especially in cases such as this.

The day of reckoning is her... (Below threshold)
KansasGirl:

The day of reckoning is here.

OK having read the police r... (Below threshold)
jim m:

OK having read the police report we see hat Mr Brown was uncertain if he attackers were from amongst the protesters, but it certainly appears so.

It is also clear that the attackers did not have robbery as a motive. The purse was definitely there after the attack and the police detective determined that the loss of the purse was a separate incident. (care to explain how the police are wrong on that Lee?)

the couple was pursued from he restaurant and while they might not have been able to be certain that their attackers were from amongst that group it seems highly likely. Given that their friend was quoted by Yahoo News as saying that the attackers were "some weird Bobby Jindal protesters" should make it clear that the victims believe that their attackers really were from that group.

Also clear is that they have not interviewed the woman as she was hospitalized and medicated.

Say what you want to Lee. You have completely lost the motive for robbery. The Police have discounted it int their report. If that wasn't the motive you are down to saying that this was some freak random coincidence. I;m sorry, but any reasonable person would agree that given the nature of the people attending the protest and given the nature of the attack it is perfectly reasonable to assume that he attackers were from that group until they can be excluded.

You are a bigger person tha... (Below threshold)
-S-:

You are a bigger person than I, Jay Tea. You write, suggest, that we are to "draw them (the Left) in" and I have yet to ever encounter anyone on the Left who was not committed to destroying others from the outset.

The violent crime in the street such as this ghastly happening in New Orleans is the physical equivalent of the verbal abuse by the Left that takes place daily on millions of occasions, all over the internet and in the media. I've yet to ever encounter so much as one Liberal who was "available" to be "drawn in" what with their dedicated hatred for the rest of us.

The Left became radicalized decades ago and the internet has only emboldened them moreso. I don't know how this is possible to be changed, but I do know that, on other terms, the rest of us have to get the current Democrat and Left majority out of Congress and the White House by voting them out.

And I anticipate that political violence by the Left is going to get worse.

About "the Sarah Palin pins... (Below threshold)
-S-:

About "the Sarah Palin pins" -- the first few stories ever appearing about this crime in New Orleans contained that information (local N.O. media, picked up by a blogger aferward).

Several blog sites have been quick to update the information as it's been made available.

So I don't think it's reasonable to ridicule any one site or blogger for "simply" printing what they knew as they (thought they) knew it.

If it turns out that the in... (Below threshold)
Tina S:

If it turns out that the intital reports were wrong, in all fairness Jay did do his home work and does not deserve all the criticism he's getting. Jay did extensive research that included both conservative and liberal sources. Does anybody find it odd that we haven't heard from the 2 victims?

We have the police report n... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

We have the police report now, which includes the statements made by one of the victims. According to his statement, there's no reason to believe this attack was politically motivated.

Michelle Malkin printed the truth.

Jay Tea picked up every lie he could find and trumpeted it.

And when the lies he was repeating were 'outed' in the comment sections of his posts Jay refused to correct his post, waiting until the next day to write a new post with a new lie instead.

Even now - on this post - Jay is letting this falsehood stand:

One blogger interviewed the New Orleans Police Department spokesman about the case, who confirmed that the insults shouted by the gang of assailants was "of a political nature." The spokesman later walked back those details, not precisely denying or retracting them, but clearly regretful that he had let those details slip out.

That's been proven to be bullshit. The police spokesman stated that the blogger in question did not accurately quote him, and went on to state that there was no indication that the attack was politically motivated.

Jay has known that for several hours now - the facts were posted in the comment threads on this blog and Jay responded to those comments, but has Jay corrected his post?

No.

There is no evidence whatsoever that the attack was politically motivated.

But in Jay's world the lies stay and the facts are ignored until the next lie surfaces. Jay has not corrected this post even though he knows it's factually incorrect.

Instead, he writes a new post with more hate and more venom, suggesting he's ready to kick some dirt into the graves of those who dare out his lies.

But those who are insisting that there's nothing political about this...are digging their own graves.

And I don't feel the least bit inclined to stop them.

Hell, I'll cheerfully kick the dirt in after them.

Jay deserves every bit of criticism he's gotten on this story. His ignorance of the truth was a mistake, but his intentional disregard and lack of integrity shown by not correcting the falsehoods he wrote once he knew they were false is willful and intentional.

Jay Tea intentionally has let lies and falsehoods in his posts stand uncorrected, even when he's known they are incorrect.

THAT deserves ridicule. If it had been the NYT publishing these lies the winguts would have gone crazy on their asses.

Here, only crickets, and the lone voices of a few people telling the truth, and being ridiculed and subjected to vile spew in response from Jay and his band of trolls in return for telling the truth.

Only the man was interviewe... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Only the man was interviewed by the police. The girl was in the hospital at the time of the last police report and was not interviewed due to the medication she was being given for the pain.

The act was despicable and I find it telling that people like Lee and Adrian have yet to denounce the crime itself. Not once have they said that this was a horrible crime, but they have posted with what seems ill concealed glee that two conservatives were put in the hospital.

I don't think that the lack of coverage on left wing sites means a thing. I do think that response from characters like Lee and Adrian tell us a great deal about how a lot of the left thinks.

I appreciate that you are not like them Tina.

"The act was despicable ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"The act was despicable and I find it telling that people like Lee and Adrian have yet to denounce the crime itself.

The act wasn't any more despicable than any other mugging.

The fact that these victims are Republicans doesn't change that.

Lee,You said <bloc... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Lee,

You said

We have the police report now, which includes the statements made by one of the victims. According to his statement, there's no reason to believe this attack was politically motivated.

Liar.
http://media.nola.com/politics/other/police%20report.pdf

Go read the police report. It does not contain the full statement of Mr Brown.

You are a liar.

It does contain the narrative from the investigating detective. The detective does cite Mr Browns statements. No where in this report do we see Mr Brown's full statement.

Nor do we see Lee referencing other attendee's statement who have said that they too were pursued from the restaurant by the protesters but they were able to enter a taxi and get away.

No that would ruin Lee's narrative.

So he lies about a statement from Mr Brown being released. He lies about the purse. He ignores the statements of other people who attended the dinner who appear to have narrowly escaped attack.

He never, not once, says anything that a normal person would recognize as sympathy for the victims and their injuries. One an only assume that Lee enjoys the pain they have suffered and considers it their comeuppance for being conservative and having the temerity to show their faces in public.

"The act wasn't any more de... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"The act wasn't any more despicable than any other mugging. "

Such a liar Lee. Your mother would be ashamed.

The average mugging does not leave a person with a leg broken in 4 places. The average mugging does not leave a person with a broken nose, jaw and a concussion. The average mugging does not leave the victims money in their possession as well as the assailant's wrist watch.

Again you pass up a golden opportunity to show that you are not some hateful ideologue. Color me unsurprised.

Nor Lee do you comment abou... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Nor Lee do you comment about why the anarchists who organized the protest have suddenly taken down their websites and gone to ground.

Why would they do that if they weren't trying to cover their guilt?

And in case you're wonderin... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

And in case you're wondering where all of these lies told by Jay Tea and others could have lead were they not outed you need not look any further than Jay's last paragraphs on this post.

Alternately, it could convince conservatives that the only way they can be assured of their safety in public is to start to exercise their Constitutional rights of bearing arms and self defense, and the next mob of far-left anarchist thugs that goes after what looks like easy prey could end up thoroughly ventilated and suffering from acute lead poisoning.

Yeah, that's all our country needs. Gun toting morons shooting at every dark shadow or creaking door they encounter.

Some of these tea partiers are paranoids. The honest among you will admit that the far right has some cwazy folks in the midst. Birthers and the like.

Some of these people aren't paranoid, but know how to push the buttons of the people who are paranoid. People who hate democrats so much they will attempt to convince the paranoids that they need to carry guns to protect themselves from the SOCIALISTS!!!! lol...

Jay is surely part of the latter group, and may be a member of both.

Maybe he really believes the bullshit he writes initially, but the fact that he doesn't correct the bullshit once the facts have shown him wrong definitely puts him the latter group, the people who are out to manipulate the paranoid right wingers into doing things like carrying guns to protect themselves from the DEMOCRATS!!!!

Nor, Lee, do you have anyth... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Nor, Lee, do you have anything to say about the refusal of the NOPD spokesman to characterize the nature of the protest outside the restaurant, yet you make a great deal of his refusal to characterize the nature of the attack. Why is that?

You're full of BS Lee. I can smell it from here.

Lee, I corrected the Palin ... (Below threshold)

Lee, I corrected the Palin pins error within hours -- pretty much as soon as I learned about it.

God forbid anything should disrupt your little fantasy narrative.

So, tell us about these random "muggers" who left Brautsch and Brown on the ground with multiple broken bones, then came back and stole her purse under the eyes of the police and EMTs. Tell us about the "PROOF" that this was a robbery -- you must have some game-ending evidence, because you keep insisting that no one else but you can pronounce the motive behind this particularly savage assault and battery.

Do enlighten us, Lee.

J.

(Jim since you've repeatedl... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

(Jim since you've repeatedly lied and mis-charecterized what I've said I'm going to ignore your trolls. Some other time perhaps...)

The smarter among you will no doubt notice that the more Jay's lies are outed the more lies he picks up and repeats.

We can't help that, we can't control Jay's rage - obviously Jay can't control his rage either. His hate just spills out.

...and the next mob of far-left anarchist thugs that goes after what looks like easy prey could end up thoroughly ventilated and suffering from acute lead poisoning.

Far-left anarchist thugs? There's no evidence that the attack was politically motivated. Only in Jay Tea's paranoid nightmares.

Jay (and his followers) have to paint their opponents in dark, ominous, evil colors - so that their own inexecusable disregard for facts and truths can be discounted -- after all, they are out to rid America of the evil scourge of... people like you, if you dare give any situation the benefit of the doubt and dare to question the validity of their made up bullshit.

Lee,Thanks for ign... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Lee,

Thanks for ignoring the points I raised.

I really don't care what JT has said. You take it up with him. He is perfectly capable of defending his own words.

I on the other hand believe that since other attendees were followed by protesters from the meeting (protesters who prevented them from leaving through the front door and who managed to follow them leaving from the back of the restaurant) that it is highly likely that the protesters continued this activity until they caught someone.

I believe that since you are willing to mischaracterize the police report as a statement from Mr Brown, when it is not anything of the sort, that you are a liar. You appear to be interested only in diverting blame.

You do not admit that the police have discounted robbery as a motive. That is actually in the report.

You are dishonest.

Lee, listen very carefully:... (Below threshold)

Lee, listen very carefully:

I am lying.

Dang, that logicl trap only works on those who understand logic. Guess I'll have to make his head explode in other ways.

Lee, time to put up or shut up. Quote -- in the exact words -- where I was "lying." Remember, in the real world, not in the Wardiverse, "lie" has a very specific definition -- "to knowingly say something false with the intent to deceive." Show precisely where I did exactly that. Show the false words, show how you KNEW I knew differently, and show how you KNEW I intended to deceive.

My copious minions, followers, and lackeys await.

J.

(Hey, Lee, why did you wait until today to inform me I had minions, followers, and lackeys? I coulda claimed them on my taxes, and got a better refund than 12 stinking dollars!)

Lee, do you even read the p... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Lee, do you even read the posts in the thread before replying to them? Just sayin', 'cause it sure looks like you must not even read a word of it and instead just spin your talking points. . .

Oh Lee, Bless you. I beLie... (Below threshold)
Steve Greened:

Oh Lee, Bless you. I beLieve you (apologies to Chris Angel). Your saintly jihad against the unbeLievers on this site has moved me. Only you speak the truth, have universal understanding and can leap small buildings with a running start. I am SAVED!

Curse you Wizbangers, for your apostate ways and words.

OK Lee, now what? [breathlessly awaiting direction]




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