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Well, That Explains Their Certainty...

In the leadup to last week's Tea Parties, many liberals spoke about their concerns about possible violence at the events. They were sure that there would be open hostility and racism and bigotry and hatred on the scene.

Well, now we know why there were so convinced it was going to happen: because they were planning on staging it.

At Boston's Tea Party on Wednesday, featuring Sarah Palin, a coalition of far-left nutjobs and union thugs (remarkable how well these two groups get along) stormed the event, equipped with bullhorns and T-Shirts proclaiming their membership in a union "Task Force." They shoved their way through the crowd, blaring their message as loud as they could.

And they're tremendously proud of their "achievement."

You know, that really deserves a full Fisking, but I'll have to get back to that one... instead, here's a video of their action:

And if that wasn't enough, in St. Charles, Missouri, two "infiltrators" showed up at the Tea Party rally there to cause a ruckus. One of them, it turns out, is an official in the county's Democratic Committee.

That's right, folks. St. Charles County Democratic Comittee Secretary John Durajczyk thought it would be grand fun to show up at a Tea Party and carry out a little "false flag" operation.

Hey, Missouri Democrats: why don't you "Show Me" a bit of responsibility and kick this guy's ass to the curb.

Alternately, if this sort of thing is now fair game as a political tactic, then I think quite a few of us who've been on the receiving end might have to start making our own plans...


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THe tea party movement was ... (Below threshold)
republicanblack:

THe tea party movement was great at first, but it has been home to bigots and racists. Not saying all tea partiers are, but the protests somehow make those people feel quite at home. I don't recall that crazy muslim leader Farrakhan who called a million man march in washington having signs that read anything close to what I have seen at tea parties, even though he is supposed to hate whites and jews, sarah palin better distance herself especially if she wants to matter in the future check the story here:

http://bit.ly/9kafmP

I'm deeply, deeply touched ... (Below threshold)

I'm deeply, deeply touched by your concern, rb, but right now I'm more troubled with the attitudes of those who attack the Tea Party movement -- and the tactics they are using.

But you keep showing your concern and telling us how awful those Tea Party people are. Hell, you might even believe your own BS -- I'd rather not judge. And keep turning your eyes away from real signs of bad people doing bad things -- since they're on your side and supporting things you believe in, that makes it all better, right?

J.

Concern-trolling moby in #1... (Below threshold)

Concern-trolling moby in #1.

The good news for the Tea P... (Below threshold)
kevino:

The good news for the Tea Party is that after reading the signs of the union counter-protesters, I don't see one that makes a decent point. Almost all of them are empty ad hominem attacks.

You should also mention that at the Tea Party some counter-protesters had nothing intelligent to say, so they threw eggs. (They were presumably college students and not the union members shown here.)

A couple of "infiltrators" showed up at the Manchester Tea Party event the next day. They made fools of themselves and were quickly laughed at.

The most serious person who was somewhat interested in debate was a young girl (HS senior) who was looking for quotes to show how stupid Tea Party members were. She tried to defend Obamacare with a question about her boyfriend's mother who has a chronic gall bladder condition but can't afford insurance. At least she was interested in dialog. Specifically, her approach was, if you are against Obamacare, then what should this person do with this condition.

My position was:
1. If her condition was that severe, then it will become acute and will be removed long before Obamacare takes effect to help her.
2. Access to health insurance is not the same as access to health care. Many of my past clients needed medical treatment and had no resources, and I was able to get doctors and clinics to do the work for free. (Devices cost money, but I was able to get the money for that.)
3. Whatever you decide to do, it has to be legal, and Obamacare isn't. It's unconstitutional, and many at the Tea Party were veterans who put their lives on the line to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. We believe in the document, and we take it very seriously. (We also understand it, which, sadly, my young opponent frequently demonstrated that she did not.)
4. Whatever you do, you have to pay for it, and Obamacare doesn't. All federal entitlement programs cost far more than they were predicted. The Chinese have already indicated by pulling back on buying bonds and by buying more gold that they are losing faith in the ability of the US to pay its debts. And they objected to Obamacare specifically. Moody is hinting that US Treasury notes may soon lose the AAA rating.
5. Whatever you do, it has to work. Obamacare is exactly what Massachusetts is going right now, and it's a disaster. (BTW, one solution for her boyfriend's mother is to move to Massachusetts.) Obamacare will fail by creating massive problems for healthcare providers (just as it is doing in MA). Obamacare was designed to fail so that liberals can propose a single-payer system to fix it. (My young opponent then launched into a plea for a government-run health plan, but that didn't go very far as I have too many family and friends that live under those systems, and have too many horror stories of the needless suffering and death caused by government run healthcare.)

I enjoyed the exchange.

The little girl and all of the "infiltrators" were very young. They don't understand the constitutional issues or the problems we face because they don't have the education or the tools to figure it out. My guess is that they also don't have any "skin in the game": they don't own a house, don't have kids, and haven't had the honor of serving their country. Those experiences change a person's perspective.

"The tea party movement was... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The tea party movement was great at first, but it has been home to bigots and racists."

Having attended several such functions, the only 'bigot' or 'racist' I've seen where people like you "republicanblack".

I sincerely doubt #1 is eit... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I sincerely doubt #1 is either black or republican. The link is not by any stretch conservative and defends healthcare, obama etc., and talks about dem icons at length such as Edwards and Kerry

If you had actually been to a Tea Party event (which you clearly have not you are merely parroting democrat smears and media false talking points) you would know that they are not home to racism or racists. The signs by the real attendees are about limited government and fiscal responsibility.

A simple look at the coverage of the many events nationwide would reveal to you that many of these events were headlined by minority speakers. In fact the only racists I have seen at Tea Party events have been the ones brought there by the dems and their union friends.

Yet another racist democrat trying to smear conservatives to look like himself.

Thanks for helping spread t... (Below threshold)

Thanks for helping spread the news, Jay Tea!

"Nothing in all the world i... (Below threshold)
RETIRED MILITARY:

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity."
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Republicanblack He... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Republicanblack

Here let me fix your statement for you

"THe Democratic party movement was great at first, but it has been home to bigots and racists. Not saying all democrats are, but the protests somehow make those people feel quite at home. I don't recall that crazy muslim leader Farrakhan who called a million man march in washington having signs that read anything close to what I have seen at democratic rallies, even though he is supposed to hate whites and jews. Future democratic leaders had better distance themselves especially if they want to matter in the future.

There. That is much more truthful.

I was glad to help.


Yellow is an appropriate co... (Below threshold)
914:

Yellow is an appropriate color for the leftist union insurgency.

repubicblack- "... (Below threshold)
914:

repubicblack-

"I don't recall that crazy muslim leader Farrakhan who called a million man march in Washington having signs that read anything close to what I have seen at tea parties, even though he is supposed to hate whites and Jews"


Maybe you were facing the wrong way? Anyway, I don't recall a bunch of thugs showing up at the 212,887 man march to interfere with their right to protest? We know what would have happened if they had don't we? A full blown beat down of biblical proportions.


I'm failing to see, JT, jus... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

I'm failing to see, JT, just exactly what the guys in the video are doing wrong. They look to me like they're protesting at a protest. And the sign at the end aside, most of their signs appear to be against the vast waste of public money that is the war in Afghanistan (there's more of a mix of signs in the linked article, but still more opposing Afghanistan than any other cause).

Surely there is nowhere more appropriate to make such a protest than a rally about limited government and fiscal responsibility?

Alfonso Paulista-A... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Alfonso Paulista-

As you said it was a Rally. the union thugs who bullied their way through the crowd shoved people and through elbows and punches. Eggs were thrown at other Tea Party attendees.

Yes the union thugs were just model citizens if the model you are looking for is a socialist police state with no freedom to oppose the government.

You didn't see anything like this when the left was protesting against Bush. We let the left have their protests. Unfortunately, the left does not believe that anyone else has any right to speak their minds. The left believes that they should be able to control what is said and what people are allowed to think.

Oh my,"I'm fail... (Below threshold)
914:

Oh my,

"I'm failing to see, JT, just exactly what the guys in the video are doing wrong."

"Surely there is nowhere more appropriate to make such a protest than a rally about limited government and fiscal responsibility?"

Surely you jest?

How about their own protest?

No, cant have that. The tea party's are getting way too much publicity ( albeit begrudgingly ) so the jacboots frustrated and oh so jealous after running out of Boooosh effigy's to torch, instead pushed and elbowed their way through obnoxiously protesting the protesters and clamoring for an increase in gov jacbootism all the while stinking up the free air.

There such respectable Americans.

Alfonso" And the s... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso

" And the sign at the end aside, most of their signs appear to be against the vast waste of public money that is the war in Afghanistan "

Oh you mean the Afghanistan war which the left preched from 2002-2009 was the just and correct war that we should have been fighting all along.

You mean the Afghanistan war which the democratic controlled congress has funded since Jan 2006.

You mean the Afghanistan war which Obama has led as president for 15 months and instead of pulling out has increased troops and spending on.

You mean that war, right?

When looking up synonyms for ALfonso you will find words like tool, fool, idiot, and dumbass.

alfonso, in addition to wha... (Below threshold)

alfonso, in addition to what jim m said, how about "Disorderly Conduct" and "Assault & Battery?"

Show up at an event, disrupt the hell out of it, and shove people out of your way to get to the stage, and it's remarkable how many laws you can be charged with breaking.

J.

The Reichstag is burning!!!... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

The Reichstag is burning!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

jim mI saw no punc... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

jim m

I saw no punches, elbows or eggs thrown (I did just watch through once, so if I'm wrong, point out where and I'll happily admit my error). There was one guy got a bit shirty, but it was after he had been manhandled himself.

Yes the union thugs were just model citizens if the model you are looking for is a socialist police state with no freedom to oppose the government.

I'm sorry, but there were plenty of signs opposing the war in Afghanistan. If that's not opposing the government, I don't know what is.


914

How about their own protest?

Eh? It wasn't a public protest? They don't have a right to make their point? Seems to me that the jackbootism isn't coming from the leftists here...

retired militaryTh... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

retired military

There really is no need for the personal abuse. Moreover, your 'points' are completely irrelevant. The general tone here is decrying a set of protesters as violent statists, and yet, I saw no evidence of violence and they had banners and signs protesting the actions of the state. Exactly what this has to do with a Democratic Congress escapes me.

It seems to me that you and others think anti-govt protest is ok only if it's the right sort of anti-govt protest.

JTI happen to thin... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

JT

I happen to think that these counter-protesters are a bunch of idiots and that they probably do themselves more harm than good by disrupting planned events, but I also think they have a perfect right to protest at a protest, even if their argument is counter to that of the organizers. I don't think that any form of violence, be it throwing punches, or throwing eggs, is acceptable. Just wanted to make that clear.

The video is pretty tame stuff, however.

No there were reports of th... (Below threshold)
jim m:

No there were reports of the eggings elsewhere. As for he BS on Afghanistan, it is not the issue with the Tea Party. The Tea Party is focused on limited government particularly with respect to intervening in how we run our lives. It is interested in fiscal responsibility.

Anti war protest is a lefty issue and not a mainstream one since the election (as to why the dishonesty within the left about war we can talk separately).

While the Tea Party is mostly conservative and conservatives have generally been supportive of the war, he Tea Party has never made it one of the issues it is concerned about. Other than giving our troops the support the deserve, which the left is always against. In that manner the antiwar protest, being one that denigrated our courageous troops, was rude and out of place.

Looks like the union thug i... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Looks like the union thug in the yellow shirt was sent by Cobra Commander to fight G.I. Joe.

They will undoubtedly blame... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

They will undoubtedly blame the Tea Parties for the Australian "Pasta Bible" which was just recalled: http://tinyurl.com/y5undcb

It seems one of the recipes called for "freshly ground black people." The publisher claims it was a typo that slipped through, and it should have read "pepper" instead - but I'm not sure I buy it. Everyone knows they taste completely different . . .

;-)

From the Hannibal Lecter sc... (Below threshold)
jim m:

From the Hannibal Lecter school of culinary arts no doubt. I wonder what they use the Italian Seasoning for?

Alfonso"It seems t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso

"It seems to me that you and others think anti-govt protest is ok only if it's the right sort of anti-govt protest."

It seems to me that you lefties totally abhor protests against Obama yet reserve the right to do anything and everything unreasonable when you are protesting something.

If you want to protest something fine. Start your own protest instead of crashing others with the intent of intimidating or making it look bad.

You talk about signs yet you didnt seem to find any thing wrong with the multitude of totally outrageous signs when Bush was president.

You neglect the points I made, those points being the politicians these "protestors" voted for are the same politicians who are doing the points I made above regarding the Afghan war.

I cant help it if the point you made made you look like a stupid idiot. I just pointed out that the fact, I had nothing to with you making it.

Take your faux outrage and shove it up your ass.


BTW AlfonsoI just ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Alfonso

I just watched the clip for the first time.

The ones who were protesting the tea party (those are the ones you see) were walking through the protest and saying derogatory things about the tea party attendants.

Look at the very last few seconds of the clip. Stop it at 57 seconds. It shows a sign being caried by your buds saying the tea party folks are racist, sexist and antigay. How is that antigovt? Is that not antagonist? Yet you want to accuse me of "personal abuse". You are another pussy democrat who can dish it out but when cries like a little girl when someone pushes back.

I did see one anti afghan war sign which didnt even appear to be part of the group with the bullhorns who muscled their way through the crowd (note the guy in the first few seconds throwing elbows left and right) *freeze the clip at 07 seconds and you get a good look at his face (doesnt he just look like another peaceful anti afghan war protestor) and the antiteaparty signs.

The sign which is shown before you even click on the clip talks about income for all. Again NOT an ANTIGOVT sign.

Stop the tape at 31 seconds. Sign says bailout the people not the banks. So they apparantly arent against govt spending as long as the govt gives them the money. BTW this fits into the evil bank theme Obama and the dems are pushing (again not antigovt since the dems are the govt right now).

The sign that shows up about 5 seconds into the clip is about abortion rights (again not an antigovt sign), not anti afghan war, not anti govt spending.

Notice blue jacket at 37 seconds. Gee he really cares who he hits with his arms. Looks like he is spoiling for a fight and to cause trouble.


Stop the clip at 59 seconds. The sign advertises www.bailoutpeople.org. GO to that site. Nothing about being antigovt.


Lets look at something from their site


Apri 3-4:
Bail Out The People, Not The Banks - Freeze on Foreclosures & Evictions
1. Moratorium on home foreclosures and evictions.
2. Freeze all job layoffs and extend unemployment benefits.
3. Freeze all utility cutoffs & roll back gas, food and utility prices.
4. Protect workers' pensions and savings?hands off Social Security.
5. Debt cancellation for working and poor people?no repossessions or wage garnishing.
6. Moratorium on budget cuts in all social programs like health care, education, mass transit, youth programs, seniors programs, veterans programs and others.


Looks more like a communist manifesto against free markets than an antiafghan war or antigovt site.
Cant fire folks
Cant reclaim your house if someone refuses to pay their morgage.
Protect pension (gee sounds like pension bailout to me)
Freeze job layoffs - so companies go broke by keeping people on the payroll they cant afford.
Oh and poor people dont have to worry about paying bills at all.

Good democracy there.

So a. Your afghan war points above are totally ridiculous.
b. the protestors whom you claim to be protesting govt spending are in fact protesting the tea party participants.

c. You are still an idiot, an ass, a tool, and a fool.

Alf,No Your right.... (Below threshold)
914:

Alf,

No Your right.. Even though you said It wasn't a public protest despite the wacko jobs protesting in public somehow its not really a public protest.

Millions of square miles and 365 days in a year yet the leftists magically show up hoping to earn an Obama stimulus community action bonus at our exspense.

Screw you!!

Oh wait, after clicking on ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Oh wait, after clicking on the embedded links it appears the idiots were protesting the afghan war. I didnt see anything about them protesting the spending on the afghan war as Alfonos alleges though but I couldnt bear to read all the crap that the crazies had printed.

In fact, the article clearly states they were protesting the tea party and Palin along with bailouts of the banks.

Again, Alfonso if you want to protest something then form your own protest and dont go barging through someone else's and try to cause trouble.

Oh and see point C above.

AlfonsoLets look a... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso

Lets look at what your "antigovt" protestors had to say about themeselves.

From the link in the article

"April 14 -- The corporate media may give it a different spin, but for Palin and Wall Street's Tea Party, Boston was a bust.

Photos: Maureen Skehan
The day started with immediate tension as Bail Out the People Movement activists and the mostly Haitian-origin staff of Steelworkers Local 8751 unfurled their banner in the middle of the Tea Party's rally here today.
The banner read: "Union jobs & healthcare for all! Stop the pro-war, racist, sexist, anti-LGBT Palin/Tea Party attack!" At Boston's Park Street subway station on Boston Common in the heart of downtown, the anti-racists were immediately surrounded by screaming white men, some wearing hardhats and carrying U.S. flags. Police dressed for battle looked on, smiling at the Tea Party gang.

Mmm No antigovt stuff there
Looks like they want everyone to have union jobs, free healthcare and not be part of the tea parties.

Overcoming their hesitation, the anti-racists got out the bullhorns and took the racist forces on politicallyAgain.

No mention of antigovt there

They said that unions are in favor of free healthcare for all people and want a government-sponsored jobs program for all of our millions of unemployed sisters and brothers.


Wait. Heres something. They want to govt to SPEND more not less. And it looks like they aren't against more govt but FOR IT.

For 20 minutes the anti-racists took turns talking into the loudspeakers, telling the truth about the corporate-sponsored Tea Party. They told how Tea Party followers had spit on the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, D.C., a few weeks ago, hurling racist epithets at Rep. John Lewis, a hero of the Civil Rights Movement. They told how Tea Party members vomited anti-gay invectives at Rep. Barney Frank


Hmm Lets use your standard of video proof for the allegations above. Show me the video proof of the anti gay stuff, of the spitting and the racism.

The anti-racists made it clear that what the union movement supports is government-sponsored healthcare for all people. wants a massive program of job creation for public projects to put all people back to productive work to support their families

Here we go with PRO MORE GOVT stuff again. Along with MORE GOVT SPENDING Wait lets see if this next part is antigovt spending

Some college students came with signs denouncing homophobia and Tea Party bigotry. It was hugs all around when a transgendered activist stopped on his way to the statehouse to demand transgender inclusion in anti-discrimination legislation

Nope. Not a chance

Special Operations police forces soon shut it down, with threats of arrests for permit violations and complaints that the Tea Party speakers couldn't be heard over the noise

Gee someone was called out for breaking the law and BY THE SWAT TEAM AT THAT. Maybe that is the antigovt stuff you were talking about. But the ones breaking the law weren't the tea party folks but YOUR BUDs. And here we have YOUR BUDS talking about accusations


Plenty of middle fingers, spittle-covered curses, shoves, blocks, taunts and ear-splitting whistles from red-faced haters greeted the anti-racists, whose numbers continued to swell.

Mmm Where is that VIDEO PROOF YOU DEMANDED ALFONSO

The protestors fought their way back to the perimeter.


Yep YOUR BUDS out there FIGHTING their way through the crowd.

People took turns on the bullhorns, supporting a woman's right to choose, denouncing U.S. wars and occupations, and declaring homophobia a crime. Others carried placards against the Afghan war, and a large blue banner reading "Tea Party = Racism" was on display. Protesters, who numbered in the hundreds, were visible throughout the crowd

Gee lots of antigovt stuff in that paragraph. And then we get more of their manifesto

The protest was a step forward for people ready to fight the capitalist system's tricks, diversions and violent organizational maneuvers to maintain its dominance over the vast majority of the world's working and oppressed peoples.


Yep . Anti govt stuff in there too.

Go see point C above Alfonso. Nothing but love ASSHOLE

Jay,On behalf of J... (Below threshold)
Kenny:

Jay,

On behalf of James H, I denounce you for contributing to the 'downward spiral of political discourse' in this country.

Shame on you...

"On behalf of James H, I de... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"On behalf of James H, I denounce you for contributing to the 'downward spiral of political discourse' in this country."

Heh. Yep, one side peacefully protests, the other side tries to physically muscle their way in and provoke an incident.
But we must caution 'both sides' to behave better. (rolls eyes)

I'm thinking it's a pretty ... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

I'm thinking it's a pretty safe bet that 'republicanblack' is some pimply-faced white kid steeped in DU or DKos stupidity and trolling techniques.

retired militaryYo... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

retired military

You seem to be mistaking me for someone who has something to do with the counter-protesters. And please, lay off the personal abuse.

So, Alfonso, the next time ... (Below threshold)

So, Alfonso, the next time some liberals hold a rally of some sort, would it be OK if I and a few dozen big friends of mine show up with megaphones, shove our way through the crowd, and shout them down to air our own grievances?

J.

JIn a word, yes. ... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

J

In a word, yes. With the obvious caveat that (as I said yesterday) any sort of physical violence is plainly wrong. If you want the right to protest, then you have to accept that other people have the same right, even if they are behaving like assholes.

Do you think the abuse I've had aimed at me here by retired military and 914, simply for expressing an opinion, is ok?

AlfonsoWhen you tr... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso

When you try to provide cover for them than in my mind you are one of them.

You provide abuse by your lies, and misstatements.

Your buds have no problems throwing around names and accusations. You back them up and ask for video proof when someone says that they threw eggs or were confrontrational. What is the matter you dont like your own medicine? If I dont stop the "personal abuse" what are you going to do?

If you want to come here with bullshit expect it to get called. If you are going to act like a tool, a fool, and an idiot dont get pissed when someone calls you exactly what you are acting like.

Do you find it frustrating to try to have civil discourse when someone is in your face?

Gee now you know how the tea party folks felt when your "Antigovt Protestors" went busting through their LAWFUL demonstration. Dont like it do you? But yet you want to stand up and try to lie about the purpose of your "antigovt protestors" and provide cover for them.

BTW I see you didnt refute any of my points.

WHen the facts support you argue the facts. When the facts support you attack the messenger.

Well the facts support me (as I have shown and you have not) and I dont mind calling an idiot an idiot.

If you dont like it TOUGH.

Try refuting my points above. I had no problems showing that yours were nothing but lies. Or go crying to your mother that the big bad man hurt your feelings.

Why not show that you are man enough to admit that you were totally wrong with your "antigovt, antispending on afghan war" statements. Of course you wont. Instead you will go crying "Mommy Mommy the bad man is picking on me"

Alfonso"In a word,... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso

"In a word, yes. With the obvious caveat that (as I said yesterday) any sort of physical violence is plainly wrong."

Actually no. Your friends didnt have permits to protest.

There are laws to be followed. Of course your side only points that out when it benefits them.

Alfonso said"Do you ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Alfonso said
"Do you think the abuse I've had aimed at me here by retired military and 914, simply for expressing an opinion, is ok?"

Well I cant speak for 914. I am merely protesting the govt and spending on bullshit things. You know sorta like you claim that your friends were doing.

Your words from post 12.


"And the sign at the end aside, most of their signs appear to be against the vast waste of public money that is the war in Afghanistan (there's more of a mix of signs in the linked article, but still more opposing Afghanistan than any other cause)."

NOTE THAT NONE OF THEIR SIGNS MENTIONED THE SPENDING ON THE AFGHAN WAR.

"Surely there is nowhere more appropriate to make such a protest than a rally about limited government and fiscal responsibility?"

See I am doing the same thing that you claim they were doing.


Your words post 18

"Seems to me that the jackbootism isn't coming from the leftists here..."

Seems like the personal abuse goes both ways here Alfonso. Dont start something you cant finish.

From your post 19

"I saw no evidence of violence and they had banners and signs protesting the actions of the state.'

Gee signs calling tea party goers racists, sexist and homophobes is now considered protesting the actions of the state


"It seems to me that you and others think anti-govt protest is ok only if it's the right sort of anti-govt protest"

By their own words they weren't protesting the govt


So your own words prove you to be a liar, an idiot, a fool or a tool. Or all of the above. You choose and let us know which ones apply.

Alfonso, when one of the re... (Below threshold)

Alfonso, when one of the readers here starts deleting your comments or physically accosts you or threatens you, let me know and I'll take action.

Otherwise, you have no grounds for comparison.

J.

JI'm not asking fo... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

J

I'm not asking for you to take any action - I'm a big boy and I can live with abuse on the internets.

I notice you didn't answer my question though (or acknnewldege my response to yours...). Maybe it's not relevant to the "debate" at hand, but I've tried to be polite and friendly and simply expressed an opinion based on the video you linked. Do you really think that the reaction of a some of the posters here is appropriate and acceptable?

I think that my opinion on ... (Below threshold)

I think that my opinion on "appropriate and acceptable" is considerably looser than yours, and that is because of my responsibility as an editor. I haven't seen anything that would require me to intervene.

I am exceptionally laissez-faire about comments. I will express my own opinions as the spirit moves me, as anyone else can, but I don't routinely render judgment -- especially on demand.

But as you say, you're a big boy. If you want me to act as moderator, feel free to ask.

J.

hmmmm?<br... (Below threshold)
914:

hmmmm?


"Do you think the abuse I've had aimed at me here by retired military and 914, simply for expressing an opinion, is ok?"

What abuse? Calling jac boots , jac boots is abusive somehow to You? Why? Were You there? Even if You were, how is calling a spade a spade abusive?

By the way Im not protesting your comments, Im merely holding a rally.

jay teaIf you answ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

jay tea

If you answer those questions from Alfonso than please answer these.

Do you think that posters like Alfonso who make up lies should be allowed to spread their drivel without people calling them on it?

Do you think that posters like Alfonso when confronted with proof of their lies should be allowed to not answer questions regarding their lies and should be allowed to continue to try to dodge proof of their lies by changing the subject?

Do you think that posters like Alfonso should demand answers to their questions when they ignore questions asked of them about their lies?


Do you think that posters like Alfonso should be upset when you dont acknowledge their responses when they fail to acknowledge responses by others to their lies ?

Do you think that posters like Alfonso should be able to demand video proof of things like eggs being thrown, elbows thrown, etc yet when asked to provide vidoe proof of things they totally ignore the request?

"I'm a big boy and I can live with abuse on the internets."

Obviously not since you want to throw around jackbooted thug comments and blatantly lie and then go crying to moderators when people call you on those lies.

BTW last I checked there was one internet not many. But hey in your fantasy world there may be more than one.

Speaking of which you failed to acknowlege my response to you or answer my quetstions (Since you want to call Jay Tea on these things I am calling you on them). But actually it wasnt a statement more like a request.

"So your own words prove you to be a liar, an idiot, a fool or a tool. Or all of the above. You choose and let us know which ones apply."

rm:I have no comme... (Below threshold)

rm:

I have no comment, and that's off the record.

J.

Jay Tea in response to Alfo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea in response to Alfonso

"I think that my opinion on "appropriate and acceptable" is considerably looser than yours, and that is because of my responsibility as an editor"

Jay Tea

I think his opinion on facts are considerably looser than yours and that is because of his responsibility as a liberal.

I know, I know. No comment there either. :)

"Do you think the ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
"Do you think the abuse I've had aimed at me here by retired military and 914, simply for expressing an opinion, is ok?"

Oh the irony of bleating about abuse here, after defending Red thugs doing that and worse at the Tea Party.




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