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Why I vote Democrat

10 reasons coming our way via Gerard, with a smile:

10. I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

9. I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

8. I voted Democrat because Freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

7. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

6. I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

5. I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies through abortion so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

4. I voted Democrat because I think illegal aliens have a right to free health care, education, and Social Security benefits.

3. I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as the democrats see fit.

2. I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.

1. I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up my ass it's unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.

Snicker.

Crossposted at Brutally Honest.


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Comments (127)

The Top Ten list you won't ... (Below threshold)
Bob:

The Top Ten list you won't see on Letterman - David could probably check all 10 answers.

Heh.... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Heh.

Not that funny, I think. I... (Below threshold)
James H:

Not that funny, I think. It plays to too narrow an audience.

Sorry James H, but humorles... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Sorry James H, but humorlessness is a key characteristic of a liberal. If you have a problem with how people think of libs then I have Hope for you: You can Change!

Major mistake on #6, that's... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Major mistake on #6, that's going to be a Chevy Volt or tennis shoes.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
klrtz1:

I voted Democrat because I cheat on my taxes and I know Democrats can get away with it.

No UOG, you mean a scooter!... (Below threshold)
epador:

No UOG, you mean a scooter!

I voted Democrat because di... (Below threshold)

I voted Democrat because diversity is great as long as everybody thinks exactly alike.

Bill Of Wrongs... (Below threshold)

Bill Of Wrongs

epador,Scooter, te... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

epador,

Scooter, tennis shoes... as long as it was made in China I imagine it will be ok. Considering how much of our debt they own we're pretty much obliged to keep them happy too.

I voted Democrat because Im... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because Im entitled to what everyone has without without having to work for it.


I voted Democrat because I love the third world models for success.

I voted democratic because ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I voted democratic because I dont believe in the first rule of holes.

I voted democratic because no matter how many times communism and socialism have proven to be failures I know that we can suceed at them if we just confiscate enough enough of other people's money.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because I hate America...

I remember reading somethin... (Below threshold)
James H:

I remember reading something once that delineated differences between Republicans and Democrats.

It went through several things. For example, "Republicans wear hats. Democrats don't." It ended with, "Republicans sleep in separate beds. Sometimes even in separate rooms. That's why there are more Democrats."

I found that funny.

Jim M:

I'm not humorless. I just find that good humor isn't always tailored to such a narrow audience as this list. To my eye, this list would be about as funny as a list entitled "Why I vote Republican" that goes:

10. Because I don't believe the government snoops on me enough.

9. Because I think we need to invade more countries.

To wit, it's not funny at all. It just plays on one group's stereotypes of another's.

"Republicans sleep in separ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Republicans sleep in separate beds. Sometimes even in separate rooms. That's why there are more Democrats."

That might work James cept' for a little thing called a "womans right to choose".

James H, the problem with y... (Below threshold)
Rodney:

James H, the problem with your jokes is that the left really believes that is what Republicans want. While the list of 10 above are mainly the results of the Democrats beliefs.

I voted Democrat because as... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

I voted Democrat because as long as there's one child with a skinned knee from falling, or one sprained ankle due to a sidewalk being even slightly uneven, or one person whose allowed to have a candy bar instead of a carrot...the Nanny State isn't big enough! In short, I voted Democrat because there's no such thing as a government that is TOO BIG!!!

p.s. and only the Democrats can protect us from Eurasia, whom we have ALWAYS been at war with!

James H-actually I... (Below threshold)
jim m:

James H-

actually I think your #9 is funny. You see? The ability to see the humor in one's self is important. Your #10 I think is inaccurate. The conservatives are against government regulation and against government putting their noses in our business.

If, however, you are referring to using wiretaps to find out terrorists you may have a point, but I would counter that the dems hae a long and storied history of abusing the priviledge of access to FBI files on private citizens.

Even so, I don't find it offensive as you clearly do.

I liked the part about why there are more dems than republicans. I'll bet that was true before abortion became legal. Not so much anymore. Sucks when you murder your own voting block.

I voted Democrat because wh... (Below threshold)
kevino:

I voted Democrat because when I was young and stupid, I was young and stupid.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because I am unable to "JUST SAY NO" to bigger government.

I vote democrat because I c... (Below threshold)
Hank:

I vote democrat because I care about the poor and needy and I want other people to pay for their care and keep them away from me. And I'm just way to busy keeping up my second home to have the time to volunteer.

I vote democrat because I'm... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I vote democrat because I'm afraid that if I vote any other way I'll be accused of sedition for peacefully espousing my political views.

"Republicans sleep in separ... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

"Republicans sleep in separate beds. Sometimes even in separate rooms. That's why there are more Democrats."

Uh, yeah...okayyy.
My advice:Don't quit your day job, James H.
BTW,Sarah and Todd Palin must have been doin' a lot of immaculate conceptin' with their beds so far apart.

LeBron -- that's an old, ol... (Below threshold)
James H:

LeBron -- that's an old, old joke I saw from the middle of last century. It's not one of mine.

Jim M:

I didn't find my number 9 particularly funny. Actually, any list that liberals would write about "why I voted Republican" would involve stereotypical references to the purported education levels of Republicans, a joke about guns, three Palin references, and at least one flannel joke.

And as a man who wears flannel, I take exception to being called a Republican.

9. Because I think we ne... (Below threshold)

9. Because I think we need to invade more countries.

Damn straight. We have all those amphibious assault ships just waiting to be used, and a whole bunch of Marines who've been training for invasions their whole careers. Why let them be frustrated?

We can start off with Iceland. If any force on earth can get that goddamned volcano with that goddamned unpronounceable Icelandic name to knock it off and behave itself, it's the United States Marine Corps. They'll go in, and within a week "Puller's Peak" will be as well-behaved as Mount Suribachi.

Who's with me?

J.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because I believe in unicorns, fantasy role playing, lip smackin pitchers of cherry cool-aid, "Camelot" and the "Won's" God given mandate to transform America into a socialist workers paradise..

I voted Democrat cause' I H... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat cause' I HATE BOOOSHH!!


I voted Democrat because ACORN cast My vote before I could.


I voted Democrat because living under constant agitation is so much more pleasurable then peaceful prosperity

@ 27I was watching t... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

@ 27
I was watching the morning show while getting ready for work today. Joe Sestak was on, to discuss why the people of PA should vote for him to replace Arlen Specter as US Senator. His # one reason? Specter voted with Bush too often.
I had to laugh. First because they are still running against Bush, 2 years after he left office and 6 years since he was not longer able to win an election. Second because Bush didn't vote on any legislation... he was President. Muahahahaha.
Even now, the evil powers of Mad Genius/Idiot Savant Chimpy McBushHitlerBurton continue to impact the thinking of the left.

I voted Democrat because al... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I voted Democrat because all the cool kids do, and I'm cool too. Also I think for myself.

I voted Democratic because ... (Below threshold)
James H:

I voted Democratic because I live in a gerrymandered district.

I vote Democratic because A... (Below threshold)
Dead voter:

I vote Democratic because ACORN votes for me.

Actually, I am voting Repub... (Below threshold)
Burt:

Actually, I am voting Republican now cause I know that I will always vote Democrat after I die.

Jay, With the addi... (Below threshold)
Chip:

Jay,

With the additional Marines on Iceland wouldn't it tip Iceland over and make it capsize?

"9. Because I think we n... (Below threshold)

"9. Because I think we need to invade more countries."

That actually is one of the reasons I'm a Republican.

"7. I voted Demo... (Below threshold)
914:


"7. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves."

And terrorists and rightwingers like Sarah Palin.


I voted Democrat because Im... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because Im stuck on stupid!

#6 meteorologists are NOT s... (Below threshold)
YOU GUYS ARE DUMB:

#6 meteorologists are NOT scientist you ignorant anti intellectual sheep.
#5 over population will be the greatest threat to humanity besides the sun exploding, why should people who don't want kids have them, isn't that stepping on THEIR FREEDOMS.
#3 General Electric's taxes..that's all I should have to say about that one.
But in general you guys are retarded, need to stop being so greedy, and realize that you're fucking the world up for your kids.
p.s. the bible is not real, there is no god, and if you are christian you need to read your fake book more because I'm pretty sure there is some stuff about the poor in there

I think we need to take the... (Below threshold)

I think we need to take the words of #37 to heart.

That guy is an absolute expert on dumb.

J.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
Dude:

I voted Democrat because I know every stupid republican who reads 1-10 and smiles has absolutely no clue about how the world works, and I know that being a Democrat means I will counteract the stupidity that some other person adds to the world by being a republican.

Republicans are sad, pathetic wastes of organic material. All of your elephant followers should seek to open your eyes to the blindness you've been taught and instead of turning your back on different thoughts and new ideas, embrace them. Otherwise you will continue to be a waste of life.

You live, you learn, and then you become a Democrat.

I voted Republican because ... (Below threshold)
JeremyP:

I voted Republican because I think my taxes should make wealthy people wealthier than than being used to make my community a better place.

I voted Republican because I think the best people to lecture me about family values are closet homosexuals, sex addicts, and alcoholics.

I voted Republican because I'd much rather my tax money go toward making bombs than bread.

I voted Republican because I hate socialist institutions like public parks, schools, roads, the police, fire department and EMTs, food safety standards, NASA, the FDA, etc.

I voted Republican because I think that corporations are much better at everything, like making safe cars that don't need to be recalled every year, spinach that's free of deadly bacteria, and insulation that won't cause cancer in thousands.

I voted Republican because I was so angry and I didn't know why - so it must be the Democrats' fault. The free market would never screw us all over in favor of a higher profit.

I voted Republican because I think marijuana should stay illegal while we serve addictive drugs like alcohol and coffee at State functions. I like that my tax dollars go toward locking up people who smoke that awful marijuana while we can get cheap and effective speed and heroin from our local doctor's office.

I voted Republican because I think that a wandering tribe of Hebrew who wrote some books 5,000 years ago are better sources for knowledge about our world than educated, informed, and intelligent scientists.

I voted Republican because I have no problem telling Mexicans and Arabs to get the hell out of my country then visiting the casino on the Indian reservation on the weekends. I also get my tax-free cigarettes there, so everybody wins.

I voted Republican because I see nothing wrong with dropping $30,000 on a new car that wastes energy so I can drive past that homeless shelter and food bank and laugh at the losers who can't hold down a job.

I voted Republican because I was born in to a position of privilege and desperately want to hold onto my social advantages. Those damn Mexicans need to be deported ... they're starting to act way too much like we white people.

ps Hey everyone, please sto... (Below threshold)
JeremyP:

ps Hey everyone, please stop slagging insults. Republicans aren't worthless, they're not idiots, they're not horrible people. Christianity is a religion, which is a set of beliefs, just like any other set of beliefs. If you want people to respect your right to not have a religion, then you have to respect their right to have one.

The original post was ignorant, but kind of funny, to people of a particular mindset. Was it hateful and pretty much off base? You betcha. But you can't fight hate and ignorance with the same.

This country is going to hell because we'd much rather hate each other for our differences than love each other for our sameness.

"The surest way to corrupt the youth is to teach them to hold in higher esteem those who think the same as them than those that think differently." - Nietzche

HAHAHAHAHA WELL DONE Jeremy... (Below threshold)
Dude:

HAHAHAHAHA WELL DONE JeremyP. Very, very well said.

And to "James H": God f*ck yourself. That list is 10 times more novel, accurate, AND funny than the original list of 10 lies.

@ YOU GUYS ARE DUMB<p... (Below threshold)
Troll:

@ YOU GUYS ARE DUMB

You are an idiot. Meteorologists are scientists, whether or not your dumb local weatherman seems like it.

However if you meant to say, "meteorologists aren't the scientists who know about global warming," you would only be an idiot because you didn't proofread. The meteorology community doesn't think global warming is happening, it's the climatologists who do.

@ JeremyPThanks po... (Below threshold)
Troll:

@ JeremyP

Thanks posting a good list for the other side, things were getting a little hairy. Each side has a good and bad; it's too bad the country as a whole can't find the good from both sides and always do that.

JEREMY I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!... (Below threshold)
jc:

JEREMY I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! THank you for saving me the time posting that myself. you said it far better than I could.

I only wish that we could find a way to not identify ourselves as liberal and conservative - democrat and republican. We are all humans and if must be American. Supposedly we all believe in making the country a better place but we seem to be victims of the propaganda that teaches us we should believe in one polar extreme or another.

But..."liberals" spend time debating the problem and "conservatives" spend time attacking the character of liberals. Says much about who is standing on the right side of the equations.

As for socialism being a third world system...the wealthiest countries in the world per capita (oh and surprise america is not even close) are the Scandinavian and Northern European ones. And they are ALL socialist. They also score highest on lifestyle satisfaction and on personal happiness as listed by the W.H.O. They also have the best health care, most progressive penal system (with the lowest recidivism in the world), incredible mental health care, cutting edge back to work programs involving money for entrepreneurial programs for the poor that make our welfare program look barbaric...

...uhh so yea socialism sucks, kinda like utopia sucks - its only for stupid liberals who want to be at peace with their neighbors and have this crazy idea we have an obligation to care for the less fortunate or those born with anything other than a silver spoon in their mouths...

F U!

I absolutely agree with YOU... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I absolutely agree with YOU GUYS ARE DUMB and JeremyP, because they're cool and I'm cool too, and I just proved it by agreeing with them, so how's about signing my yearbook you cool guys?

@Gay Juevara: Lick my grund... (Below threshold)
Dude:

@Gay Juevara: Lick my grundle

You live, you lear... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
You live, you learn, and then you become a Democrat.

This is absolutely true. It's why the college students are conservatives, but become Democrats once they get jobs, mortgages, and families. Once they become responsible, full-fledged members of society, and learn something about the world, they finally see the attraction of liberalism and never go back to conservatism.

Because if they did, they wouldn't be cool, and the cool kids wouldn't invite them to their parties, or even sign their yearbooks. How uncool would that be?

Republicans are sa... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
Republicans are sad, pathetic wastes of organic material.

And they're intolerant haters who should all be killed or maybe tortured to death because they're not full of love and tolerance like us.

And I bet nobody even signs their yearbooks.

I vote Democrat because I h... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I vote Democrat because I hate corporations, but don't realize that the government is itself a corporation, and think that giving more power to an unaccountable corporation that has guns, police, and prisons just makes good sense.

I also vote Democrat because I yearn for the high efficiency and responsive standards shown by all government agencies, as opposed to those nasty private businesses that don't have to perform to survive. Nobody issues more driver's licenses than the DMV, so they must be doing something right.

I vote Democrat because I w... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I vote Democrat because I want everyone to have a pony, for dogs and cats to live together in harmony, for it only to rain at night, and for legislation making pi equal to 3.0.

Dude Troll, regarding this:... (Below threshold)
James H:

Dude Troll, regarding this:

And to "James H": God f*ck yourself.

I'm not a religious man, but this seems like blasphemy an an epic scale.

Project much? These posts p... (Below threshold)
LoudPatriot:

Project much? These posts prove the ignorance of the republicons. Nice job. Is the post the comedy or the comments? I vote for the comments.

I vote Democrat because eve... (Below threshold)

I vote Democrat because every job I've ever had, I got from a poor guy.

I'm pretty sure... (Below threshold)
I'm pretty sure there is some stuff about the poor in there
Something about how they'll always be with us, for one.

I sure don't see anything in there about how your obligation to help the poor can be met by raising my taxes.

Probably the greatest irony... (Below threshold)
Caesar Augustus:

Probably the greatest irony with that list is that young liberal idiots on the Internet won't be able to grasp the irony.

I vote Democrat because I w... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I vote Democrat because I want everywhere to be just like Detroit.

(Guyz, am I cool enough now? Sign my yearbook? Please??)

@Gay Juevara: Lick... (Below threshold)
Eric:
@Gay Juevara: Lick my grundle

Hmmm, so what is the point of changing Jay Guevara's name to Gay Juevara? Is it to throw in a little homosexual taunt, by calling him Gay? Or was it to throw in an Semitic taunt with Juevara rhyming with Jew vara?

I'm sure you are a typical Democrat who considers himself open minded and tolerant without a racist, homophobic bone in his body. Therefore, you can get a pass by taunting people's sexuality and religion.

Don't you Dude?

Eric, you don't get it - th... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Eric, you don't get it - that was a compliment. Only ignorant racist redneck homophobic fags call others gay as an insult, because doing that is so...gay. Which is good ... or... er... bad... well, you know what I mean - whatever the cool kids think is cool is what I mean. I think. Whatever.

You obviously are not cool enough to get sophisticated cool-guy comments. No way we'll sign your yearbook, right, guys? I bet you work for a living, Eric, and pay taxes. Can't get any more uncool than that.

I vote democrat because I b... (Below threshold)
John Q:

I vote democrat because I believe that the founding fathers had no idea what they were doing when they wrote the Constitution

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
Babyface:

I voted Democrat because I believe in solutions that make me feel good, not solutions that actually work.

@ Jay Guevara: How in the w... (Below threshold)
JeremyP:

@ Jay Guevara: How in the world did you get out of Elementary School and still think the American government is a corporation that's not accountable. Don't you vote? Just because the elections don't go your way doesn't mean they're illegitimate, it means you're a sore loser and feel lonely in your anger.

very true... (Below threshold)
matt:

very true

The government is not</i... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

The government is not accountable on any meaningful timescale. Witness: Michigan. New York. New Jersey. California.

Perhaps, to clarify, I should add "to the grownups" to "accountable," since taxpayers in public sector union- and liberal-infested states get reamed out to benefit the 40% of the population that pays no - zero - taxes.

Perhaps we could agree that everyone should have to pay some taxes, regardless of income, and that the amount each person pays should change in proportion to the Federal deficit. That way everyone has skin in the game, and no one gets a free ride on the backs of others.

But when almost the half the population gets to vote to increase taxes that they themselves will not have to pay, no, then there's no accountability. None.

JeremyP-re #62. Y... (Below threshold)
jim m:

JeremyP-

re #62. Yes government is unaccountable. Not in the person of your congressman, but in the multiple persons of the bureaucracy. Is the incompetent and rude clerk at the DMV up for election? Of course not. Most bureaucratic employees are lifers. They are more likely to be unionized than private sector employees.

There is no incentive to perform well. If they do not perform well the answer is never to fire them and get someone who can do the job better. The answer is always that we need to spend more money and hire more lazy, incompetent and rude workers who can never be fired. There is powerful incentive to do poor work. Produce bad results and be rewarded with more money and more people in your department.

Now before you go off on my bashing government workers I know that there are some good ones. They are the exception not the rule.

I'll tell the funny part. Y... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I'll tell the funny part. You're obviously young (ask me how I know). You know who's going to get reamed out by, and live a poorer life because of, the tax and borrow and spend approach?

You.

You're going to spend your entire working life paying this off (or trying to). Go into work an hour early. Leave an hour late. That's going to Uncle Sam, on top of whatever you would have been paying before.

You'll be paying through the nose for ...people like me. Geezers. People too old or no longer physically fit to work. Also for lazy layabouts who just don't feel like working, and would much rather you worked in their place.

The funny part is that I'm unhappy that you'll be paying for me, and you're insisting on the opportunity to pay for me. Having said that, if my kids weren't going to be in your boat, I'd be tickled pink for you to work your ass off for me.

Alternatively, maybe the Dems won't pay it off. They'll just inflate the currency. Your savings won't be worth shit when you are too old to work. You think the government will take care of you? Then you've got nothing to worry about, nothing at all.

Of course, once people realize that the currency won't be worth shit, they won't save anymore. Who socks away Zimbabwean dollars? Spend 'em right away. So how do businesses get investment capital to expand and provide employment, you ask? Easy - they don't.

I didn't vote because as Ma... (Below threshold)
an irritated American:

I didn't vote because as Mark Twain once said: if voting worked, then they wouldn't let us do it.

Also because I think that neither the republican candidate nor the democratic candidate was good enough...for any election that has happened in the last couple of years.

Away with all reps at this time...replace with new reps with term limits and 3 or 4 parties total, not the two we have now (and yes, there are others, I know, but no one listens to them, the Dems and Repubs do all the decision making)

It's true. Deal with it.

I understand your sentiment... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I understand your sentiments, but term limits are not the answer. We have them here in California, and legislators just spend their last year or two feathering their post-legislature nests by submitting legislation to curry favor with future employers (as lobbyists either for corporations or unions, or working for state agencies).

They can do this because they know they'll be gone on a certain date. Much better to have them hold out hope until election night, after which they're lame ducks who can't ram through anything.

Term limits sound good, but nothing beats a vigilant electorate.

Wow, so many vague issues t... (Below threshold)
JeremyP:

Wow, so many vague issues to cover. Where to start?

Well, let's start with "unionized" government workers. I'm interested to see how you came to your conclusion that "most" government workers are rude and nonproductive - scratch that, I know how. You had some bad experiences. How in the world do you go from some bad experiences to this jaded, hateful generalization of an entire section of our workforce? Also, does this mean that the private sector results in "mostly" good workers and attitudes?

Obviously, you've never eaten at a Denny's at 2am.

Scratch that, obviously you've never been to a car dealership and not wanted the upgrades the salesman was offering, you've never been to a restaurant where the server makes 3.15 per hour plus whatever meager tips their cheap-ass customers decide to toss their way. Maybe you have, but your experiences didn't align with your particular world view, so you dismissed them.

I ask you all - what is the alternative? Privatization? The privatization of the monetary system in America is what ended us up in this economic meltdown in the first place. If you don't believe that, then there is no reason to continue having this conversation.

Deep breath ...

Now onto Jay Guevara:

I understand your concern. Yes, I am young, 26 years old, and I don't necessarily care to know how you know this. But, here's the catch - I'm married (no children), have no health insurance because I live in a red state that doesn't require my employer to provide it, I own a home that I purchased at a reasonable fixed-rate interest loan because I have worked my way out of crippling debt that I attribute to having to live off of credit cards the better part of my adult life.

What's that all mean? Well, here we go: here in Idaho, we have a small business crisis which centers around the almost insurmountable barrier of larger businesses having to pay for their employees' health premiums (here, it's 5+ employees, unless you're exempt). The fact is that the rising health insurance premiums are killing small business. Now, if the we were to shift the burden away from businesses and onto a more efficient and comprehensive method of providing quality health care for all, then those businesses wouldn't have that burden, and could hire more workers, increase their net productivity, and make the world a happier place for all.

That solution, and I know you hate to hear it, is single-payer health care. If you truly support small and independent business, then you must support single-payer, universal health care.

See, you've all been tricked into thinking that this will make health care more expensive, which is where I assume your nonsense "you'll have to pay for it for the rest of your life" thing comes in. I urge you all to actually research the issue, and you will see that health care uniformly lowers the cost of health care while allowing families, workers and businesses to go about the business of living without having to worry about if their next hospital visit will bankrupt them.

The solutions are mighty simple, but you all are so bitterly divided by party lines and ideological, political rhetoric that you can't see that. Now, I'm no Glen Beck fan, but I believe in listening to those with whom you disagree with, so I listen to his show. Today, he had a startlingly brilliant idea - STOP PLAYING POLITICS. It's one of the few things he's said that doesn't ring of madness and disconnect with reality.

Now, onto your points about currency. In the modern worldwide economy, inflation occurs when the buying power of the dollar is weakened as compared to other currencies (the Euro, for example). This has nothing (ahem, NOTHING) to do with Liberal policies or ideas of government, and much more to do with the ability of Americans to buy things with their currency. That comes, ahem, with regulation. Regulating business is always, always, always, good for business on the long term, and always benefits the economy.

Long argument short (I know, too late): you all have been duped, bamboozled, lied to, screw, and manipulated. You have been convinced that what is good for Republican politicians and corporations is good for you! You've been tricked into supporting policies that rape you, your life, your wallet, and your children's future so the riches Americans can becomes richer. I know there's nothing I can say in this limited forum to convince you of that, but it is absolutely, unequivocally and unarguably true. You have been moved like pawns in the game of wealth consolidation, and those bastards in Congress have found a way to use you anger with THEM to get you to work for them. It's depressing, it's immoral, and it honestly breaks my heart.

The fact is, you're not angry with Socialists or Liberals. You're not angry with Democrats or pinko Communists. You're angry because you see your world becoming smaller, your ability to be free in this world limited. You're angry because things happen every day that prove that those in charge (not the politicians, mind you, but the money that props them up) don't care about you and would set fire to your home while you sleep in it to turn a profit.

Profit motive kills American values and this wonderful way of life we all enjoy. It's not socialism you should be terrified of, and I say this so carefully, it's pure capitalism. Nobody is asking for an abolishing of private property (sorry fellow liberals, but Marx was WAY wrong), but for a compromise between what is good for the whole and what is good for the individual. That, my friends, is liberalism.

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I'm interested to see how you came to your conclusion that "most" government workers are rude and nonproductive - scratch that, I know how. You had some bad experiences.
You're right. 99% of government workers give the other 1% a bad name.
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JeremyP:

I'm sorry for the long responses, but I must make one last point - this idea that unions are communist and anti-American is absolute hogwash. Unions are the purest expression of democracy in a capitalist society. If you look at countries like China where unions are illegal, there is no minimum wage, there are no limits on work hours in the week, and there is no guarantee of benefits or workplace safety. It is a damned nightmare.

You all seem to think that the alternative to the free market is Stalinist communism or Chinese fascist "communism", and that is a shame. The differences between communism and liberal socialism are numerous and considerable - they are entirely different ideas! Again, I have to implore you all to please, please do your research and find the truth for yourselves, stop letting fat cats feed your their bullshit.

Let there be no mistake - America would not be the wonderful place it is today without the blessing of unionized work and labor. There has been no stronger and persistent voice in favor of the middle class than the union.

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Cheddar:

You guys make a lot of grammar errors for a bunch of condescending republicans. It doesn't make you look dumb at all. Especially when a red line comes up when you mess up. Obviously our schools need more money. For those of you who just drift through life on your last name, schools are those large buildings people go to learn things. Idiots.

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Jay Guevara:

Well, let's start with "unionized" government workers.

Yes, let's do. Read ">http://www.city-journal.org/2010/20_2_california-unions.html"> The Beholden State - How public-sector unions broke California

Here's a quote:

The state's public school teachers are the highest-paid in the nation. Its prison guards can easily earn six-figure salaries. State workers routinely retire at 55 with pensions higher than their base pay for most of their working life.

Read it. Seriously. Let's move on.

I'm interested to see how you came to your conclusion that "most" government workers are rude and nonproductive - scratch that, I know how. You had some bad experiences. How in the world do you go from some bad experiences to this jaded, hateful generalization of an entire section of our workforce?

First, you put words in my mouth. I didn't make the assertion you attribute to me, but it is often true nevertheless. Union workers cannot be fired (at least not easily), so their primary concern is keeping their union bosses happy, not their customers. Some are perfectly pleasant and efficient - but they don't need to be. That's the point. And, once employees really come to believe that they don't need to be polite and efficient, they act like ...well...people on the Internet.

Personal anecdote: On a trip to the USSR before it fell I went two days without eating. Why? Restaurants featured waiters playing cards. The only people eating were their friends. Anyone else was told the restaurant was "zagrito" - closed (a Russian word we heard a lot) and shooed away. Staff were paid regardless of whether or not they worked, so they didn't. We couldn't even bribe them with dollars, because they didn't get to keep them. So we went hungry.

To make sure we caught an early flight out, I offered $20 (a month's pay) if the taxi showed up at 5 am sharp for a 7 am flight. The concierge told me it wasn't necessary. She ordered three taxis to be safe. Five A.M. came and went. Zip. Then 5:30, then 5:45. Concierge says she thinks a taxi will probably come soon. Finally at 6:00 - no taxis in sight - a Russian scientific colleague passing by offers us a ride. Concierge comes out and demands that I pay for the three taxis. I protest that didn't show up; she says, "But you ordered them." I pay, to get the hell out of the place.

True story.

Now, how does that experience differ qualitatively from dealing with a unionized workforce? It differs in degree, but not in kind. The Russian "workers" were just demonstrating the logical conclusion to leftist policies. Think about it - you know it's true.

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Jolly:

What do all you pinko commies think about a flat tax? All this spewing about being "fair" to the less fortunate, couldn't possibly get more fair than taking the same percent from every person's hard-earned income instead of the convoluted system that we currently have that punishes success right? Tell me you guys are cool with actually being fair!

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jim m:

Actually I do not get spell checking with explorer at work in the break room PC. I do get it at home with firefox. I also know that my laptop keyboard tends to be slow in response so it often drops the first letter of words, especially those beginning with 't'. The become he, that becomes hat. Spell check doesn't catch that kind of stuff.

I think that while people try to be as grammatically correct as possible, we all make mistakes. Few people here ever trot out a bogus grammar or spelling error as reason to dispute another person's argument.

Only the small minded fixate on spelling.

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Troll:

JeremyP,

I think you make great points but I think the most important thing for us to do as Americans is to take back our government. While fictional, Ayn Rand has illustrated to us what could happen on the liberal side if we don't keep our government under control, just like the damage that liberals now complain conservatives do. The whole nation needs to practice critical thinking a little more and get educated on the issues and get Congress on the right page and keep them there.

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jim m:

What I find amusing is that lefties hate he idea of a flat tax because they buy into the whole from each according to his ability crap.

Yet, at the same time they are all gung ho for a VAT. The VAT would be even more regressive than a flat tax. They're just too ignorant to think it through. The VAT would have far more negative impact upon the poor. But it is used throughout socialist Europe therefore the left is all smitten with the idea.

Once more the left doesn't think about their policies and ideas. They just agree with their leaders so they can look cool and sound sophisticated by agreeing with their betters.

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Marc:

Chedder - "Obviously our schools need more money. For those of you who just drift through life on your last name, schools are those large buildings people go to learn things. Idiots. "

Just as obviously, you're clueless. Heres's just a single example, there are many, MANY more nationwide.

Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
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The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.
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The Kansas City experiment suggests that, indeed, educational problems can't be solved by throwing money at them, that the structural problems of our current educational system are far more important than a lack of material resources, and that the focus on desegregation diverted attention from the real problem, low achievement.
You were saying what, nitwit?

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Marc:

jeremyP[inhead] - "Nobody is asking for an abolishing of private property (sorry fellow liberals, but Marx was WAY wrong), "

Really? Than what do you call the hundreds of millions of dollars GM and Chrysler preferred stock holders lost when obama kicked them to the curb when he overturned decades of common practice in favor of unions?

Seems to be lost property to me.

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Jay Guevara:

Yes, I am young, 26 years old, and I don't necessarily care to know how you know this.

It was obvious.

[I] have no health insurance because I live in a red state that doesn't require my employer to provide it

Why the hell should your employer provide it? Should he provide auto and homeowner's insurance too? I pay for my own - you can pay for your own. Plus, you don't get it. Employers pay for health insurance in lieu of pay. Employer-provided health insurance only started at GM during WWII to circumvent wage controls. It was unknown before then.

I own a home that I purchased at a reasonable fixed-rate interest loan because I have worked my way out of crippling debt that I attribute to having to live off of credit cards the better part of my adult life.

Well done. Seriously, I salute you. But, given that background, why do you support the government taking on crippling debt by living off its credit cards? I want the government to handles its/our money the way you and I handle ours: sensibly, prudently, responsibly. How does your old lifestyle differ from present government policies? This is exactly my point.

The fact is that the rising health insurance premiums are killing small business.

No economic reason for a business to provide health insurance. None.

Now, if the we were to shift the burden away from businesses...

Shift the burden away from businesses onto....whom, exactly? The government? Does the government turn a profit? No. Where does the government get its money? From taxing individuals and ...businesses. So all you've accomplished is shifting money from the right pocket to the left, dropping some of it in the process (government bureaucrats gotta get paid too). The more you tax businesses the fewer people they can afford to hire. All you've done is change the name from "health insurance premiums" to "tax," and lost money into the bargain.

See, you've all been tricked into thinking that this will make health care more expensive, which is where I assume your nonsense "you'll have to pay for it for the rest of your life" thing comes in.

My comment re paying for the rest of your life pertained not to health care per se, but to this Administration's profligacy generally. Check out Budget of the United States Government: Historical Tables Fiscal Year 2010. I especially recommend Table 7.1 -- Federal Debt at the End of Year: 1940-2014. Look at the figures of debt as percentage of GDP (i.e., ability to pay). The Feds themselves estimate our gross Federal debt for 2010-2014 will be as high as the highest that we incurred during WWII. Think about it.

And as for socialized medicine lowering costs, please. Name a government program that reduced costs. One.

In the modern worldwide economy, inflation occurs when the buying power of the dollar is weakened as compared to other currencies (the Euro, for example). This has nothing (ahem, NOTHING) to do with Liberal policies or ideas of government, and much more to do with the ability of Americans to buy things with their currency.

No. You're confusing inflation with exchange rate. They influence each other, but are not one and the same. Inflation has everything to do with liberal policies. Democrats are borrowing and spending like crazy. Lenders - e.g., China - are getting nervous that we might default. So what do lenders do under those circumstances? Demand higher interest rates, to compensate them for that risk. (That's why California's bonds are now junk status, btw.) We as a nation are becoming subprime borrowers. The last few T-bill auctions were bought by ...the U.S. government. That should scare the shit out of you, because it means a) no one else wanted to buy our debt at the offered interest rate, and b) to maintain the charade, the Treasury bought its own debt. So we took a $20 bill out of our wallet to buy a couple of bottles of Thunderbird, and put an IOU for $20 in our wallet, and think we've got $20 to work with. Think about it. Look into the situation of California, and of Greece.

The alternative to default is to inflate the currency, and pay lenders back with Monopoly money. Money is a demand on goods and services. Double the amount of money out there - without doubling the amount of goods and services - and you've halved the value of the currency. Inflation.

The point is that the economic system depends on confidence that people will meet their obligations. When that's in question, everyone hunkers down. If people think that obligations won't be met - default - or met only in appearance, but not in fact - inflation - economic activity slows or stops. Ask yourself this: why did the banking system almost collapse? Because suddenly people became worried that banks might not meet their obligations (counterparty risk), and demanded their money, pronto. Fractional reserve banking means that even solvent banks don't have cash on hand to meet all of their obligations; most of it is tied up in investments. So when everyone wants cash, now, even a strong bank is under stress. Confidence is the key.

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Andre Had Enough:

I voted Democrat because the Black Panters were outside with guns. ( a very Democratic way of vote intimidation...)

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Becky:

To Cheddar and anyone else who said that republicans skate through life because they're privileged and rich. I have been republican my whole life and I have also been poor. I am going to college full-time and working two jobs just to get by. I don't want help from the government unlike a lot of people. I want to have a great future and I want to get there on my own. Also, the money that I do make, I want to keep as much as possible. I don't want to give my tax money to people that WON'T work. I am all for helping people that are not able to. But people that won't and are just mooching off of the government are pathetic. People need to realize that America is still the country of opportunity. Anyone can get a job, even illegal immigrants, which I think is ridiculous. Either become a citizen, or leave.

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SCSIwuzzy:

Awwww. Somebody found the school computer lab and 8 open seats to sock away on the blogs.

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ke_future:
I ask you all - what is the alternative? Privatization? The privatization of the monetary system in America is what ended us up in this economic meltdown in the first place. If you don't believe that, then there is no reason to continue having this conversation.

nice jeremy. you state an opinion as a fact, and then claim that if we don't agree with you, then we aren't worth talking about. seriously lame.

let's try this. prove that it was the privatization of the monetary system that led to this economic meltdown. you are the one making an assertion.

you make an interesting claim argument in regards to the cost of health insurance on small businesses. i agree this is a problem. i fail to see how a single payer system will solve this problem. we still have to pay the doctors, pharmacists, and such. and that money comes from somewhere. in a single payer system it is paid for with increased taxes.

the only way to reduce cost in a single payer scenario is to either reduce payments or to ration care. if you reduce payments to providers you will suddenly have fewer providers. the other choice, rationing care isn't a good option either. or are you going to be the one to tell your wife that she has to wait for the test?

there are other options than single payer to bring down health care costs. allowing insurance to be purchased across state lines. tort reform that should reduce malpractice insurance rates and the rates of unnecessary tests. getting the government out of mandating what has to be in an insurance plan.

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Jay Guevara:

The solutions are mighty simple

A little life advice: be wary of anyone who claims longstanding problems have simple solutions. That view presupposes everyone who went before is a nitwit, and that's just not true. A lot of people before you were a lot smarter than you, no matter how smart you are. Good thing to keep in mind.

Long argument short (I know, too late): you all have been duped, bamboozled, lied to, screw, and manipulated. You have been convinced that what is good for Republican politicians and corporations is good for you!

Son, I got my Ph.D. from Berkeley decades ago. While I was there I saw and heard every manner of leftist propaganda, and quickly turned away from the leftist views of my college days, where I knew and often spoke with Angela Davis. No one has duped me. I've been around the world quite a few times, lived all over the U.S. and Europe, lived in a socialist country, and traveled extensively among First, Second, and Third World countries. I submit you are the one who has been duped.

You've been tricked into supporting policies that rape you, your life, your wallet, and your children's future so the riches Americans can becomes richer.

I will not have you talk about George Soros that way.

Seriously, you have no idea what you're talking about. None.

The fact is, you're not angry with Socialists or Liberals. You're not angry with Democrats or pinko Communists.

Au contraire, mon ami. I've seen my beloved California run into the dirt in the last 40 years by socialist/liberal policies. Policies that can bankrupt California - an economic powerhouse - can bankrupt anyplace.

Profit motive kills American values and this wonderful way of life we all enjoy.

The profit motive is what created this wonderful way of life we all enjoy. Socialism is destroying it. Would you work if your pay were halved? Halved again? And again? Eventually you'd decide it wouldn't be worth your while, right? There wouldn't be enough profit in it for you to bother.

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ke_future:


next item.

Regulating business is always, always, always, good for business on the long term, and always benefits the economy.

prove that regulation is always, always good for business. there are many regulations that aren't.

for instance, there was a company near where i live that wanted to expand it's capacity. but some politicians wanted their cut. so they passed some regulations that required the company to pay for extra permitting in order to expand. the owner of the company declined, didn't expand, didn't hire more employees. explain to me how this is good for business long term. or even how this is good for the economy

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JeremyP:

@ke_future:

The economic meltdown is attributed to the "bundling" of toxic loans that were then resold, which enabled a few people to consolidate wealth while others (that's us!) were left with a shit-ton of worthless foreclosed houses. It was a venture designed to create wealth from worthless loans that was the result of unregulated bankers.

Actually, this whole mess with AIG is quite similar - it wasn't we liberals who brought them down, it wasn't socialism, it was pure, free-market capitalism. Seriously, please set me straight if this isn't the case. It's not opinion, it's the reality we live in.

I've read through this whole argument a few times, and I'm a bit confused, because we all seem to be on the same side. We want the world to work, we don't want to be exploited, we certainly don't want to live in a broke country, and we all just want to live our lives. I'm begging you guys to see through the way you've been programmed to think and reconsider what you're arguing here. You want to be able to purchase insurance across state lines - why? So we can do away with regional businesses in favor of massive national corporations, so they can turn a profit and never have to look their customers in the eye? That makes so sense, you guys. I'm wondering if you're really thinking these things through.

Essentially, we have different understanding of who the "bad guys" are here. I understand that greed and lust for money and power drive human evil, and this is abundantly evident in how corporations have lowered the standard of living in America. The corporations are the ones, not the government, who are enslaving us to lifelong, unpayable debt. Say what you will about the national debt (which is a tragically misunderstood concept), but it pales in comparison to the shackles that are being put on our wrists by Chase, Bank of America, et al.

You happen to think that it's the government we should worry about, which I have a problem understanding, mainly because we elect the government. All rhetoric aside, we are directly responsible for what we get in our public officials.

I fail to see the evil in nationalized health care, except that the current bill does not go far enough. I fail to empathize with pharmaceutical companies that get rich off of our misfortunes. I imagine a world that is driven by reason, compassion, and empathy for our fellow people, where profit motive is forgotten in exchange for honest to god service to each other. I know it's a pipe dream, but not maybe you can imagine my perspective, and I will try as hard as I can to imagine yours.

I am asking us to agree rather than divide. I'm asking for us to strive toward a common goal, not troll and bait each other. This all started as a big joke, but after reading through this list of ignorant insults and condescending bullshit, I think I've had enough laughter. Let's stop spewing out the ridiculous tired rhetoric fed to us by the people who get rich off our misery.

How can you possibly defend people who benefit from your misfortune while demonizing the people who are trying to fight for you? It doesn't make sense.

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LeBron Steinman:

" Because I think we need to invade more countries.
Damn straight."

F'n A.
Hee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTs6a0ORdQU&feature=player_embedded

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Jay Guevara:

this idea that unions are communist and anti-American is absolute hogwash. Unions are the purest expression of democracy in a capitalist society.

Whoa. Unions for the most part represent the combination of socialist politics with organized thuggery to promote rent-seeking for the union membership.

Purest expression of democracy?? Why do unions want card-check instead of secret ballots?

If you look at countries like China where unions are illegal, there is no minimum wage, there are no limits on work hours in the week, and there is no guarantee of benefits or workplace safety. It is a damned nightmare.

Would this be a bad time to point out that China is a socialist country?

Seriously, your point is silly. China - which I've visited, btw - is a Third World socialist country. (One of the biggest manufacturers in the PRC is ...the People's Liberation Army. Yup.) Ascribing China's situation to lack of unions is ridiculous.

Let there be no mistake - America would not be the wonderful place it is today without the blessing of unionized work and labor. There has been no stronger and persistent voice in favor of the middle class than the union.

Nonsense. Unions are fundamentally un-American, and have outlived whatever usefulness they ever had. Union membership - outside of government - is a small and declining part of the workforce. Unionized industries - e.g., GM - are dying. If you've ever dealt with a union as an outsider, you'll know why.

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ke_future:

jeremy, there were a lot of factors that led to the meltdown. including the *one* that you listed. other things included the whole fannie mae/mac fiasco. government regulations about compensation. general government monetary policy.

some of it was free market capitalizsm. but most of it was politicians thinking they knew better, or paying off cronys. and by politicians, i mean dodd and frank.

by the way, you claimed it was the privatizaion of the monetary policy that cuased the economic melt down. i do not think you quite understand what a monetary poicy is. especially since you also don't understand what inflation is and what cuases it.

again you state an opinion, as tho it were a fact, with no evidence: "abundantly evident in how corporations have lowered the standard of living in America" you mean the corporations that have brought us things such as cars, televisions, computers, cell phones?

The corporations are the ones, not the government, who are enslaving us to lifelong, unpayable debt. Say what you will about the national debt (which is a tragically misunderstood concept), but it pales in comparison to the shackles that are being put on our wrists by Chase, Bank of America, et al.

i really don't get this bit. how are corporations enslaving us to a lifelong, unpayable debt? And what is tragically misunderstood about the national debt? our government spends more money than it brings in. seems pretty straight forward to me.

i agree, we, as a nation, are responsible for who we elect. i don't see how that contradicts the fact that i think the government is a problem. we have elected a bunch of bums.

?I am asking us to agree rather than divide. I'm asking for us to strive toward a common goal, not troll and bait each other. This all started as a big joke, but after reading through this list of ignorant insults and condescending bullshit, I think I've had enough laughter. Let's stop spewing out the ridiculous tired rhetoric fed to us by the people who get rich off our misery.

first you say you want us to agree rather than divide. then you rant about insults, and bullshit when people don't agree with YOU. could it be that you are the one who is wrong. that you have been blinded by the leftist propaganda? that you really don't know what you are talking about?

let's be honest here. i spit at the arrogance of those on the left, like you, who believe that your way is the only way. that you are the only ones who know what is best for every one.

i don't want the help you are offering. i find it insulting, repugnant and demeaning.

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Jay Guevara:

The economic meltdown is attributed to the "bundling" of toxic loans that were then resold, which enabled a few people to consolidate wealth while others (that's us!) were left with a shit-ton of worthless foreclosed houses. It was a venture designed to create wealth from worthless loans that was the result of unregulated bankers.

And why did Congressional Democrats resist any efforts to rein in Fannie and Freddie? Surely you've seen the YouTube clips. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd led the charge to defend them. "Affordable housing?" "Redlining?" Remember those slogans of yesteryear? The toxic loans were required by the Government - through the Community Reinvestment Act - to put more minorities in houses. It was do-gooder socialism, coming and going, with more than a healthy dash of Democrat demogoguery.

I'm begging you guys to see through the way you've been programmed to think and reconsider what you're arguing here.

Says he to the 26-year old: we're begging you to see through the way you've been programmed to think and reconsider what you're arguing here. When you grow up a little further (not to meant as a snark), you'll be eventually be embarrassed by your current views. I held the same views at age 21, have been embarrassed by them ever since seeing them put into action in Berkeley.

is abundantly evident in how corporations have lowered the standard of living in America.

Lowered? Are you nuts? Are you typing on a government-invented and manufactured computer? Do you use a government-invented and manufactured cell phone?

The corporations are the ones, not the government, who are enslaving us to lifelong, unpayable debt. [...]but it pales in comparison to the shackles that are being put on our wrists by Chase, Bank of America, et al

What the hell are you talking about? It's the government that's mortgaging our future. It's the government who is spending the productivity of future generations. It's the government that is saddling us with crippling debt. Chase, BofA, etc. aren't forcing anybody to do anything. If you don't want to go into debt to Chase or BofA, don't. Easy. But the government has the IRS, police, and prisons to force you to do business with them.

Say what you will about the national debt (which is a tragically misunderstood concept),

Not by us. By you, maybe. To zeroth order, think of when you maxed out your credit cards.

You happen to think that it's the government we should worry about, which I have a problem understanding, mainly because we elect the government.

Yeah, but what if 52% of us are blockheads? We now have a government elected by the Jerry Springer set, people who thought Obama was going to pay for their mortgages and groceries.

I fail to empathize with pharmaceutical companies that get rich off of our misfortunes.

This is weapons-grade silly. Do physicians get rich off of our misfortunes? Do auto body shops? How about Roto-Rooter? Misfortunes happen, some people make their livelihood helping with them. In particular, pharmaceutical companies provide the drugs that make life longer and better.

I imagine a world that is driven by reason, compassion, and empathy for our fellow people, where profit motive is forgotten in exchange for honest to god service to each other. I know it's a pipe dream, but not maybe you can imagine my perspective, and I will try as hard as I can to imagine yours.

Oh, I can imagine your perspective. It's ubiquitous among late adolescents. It's just unusual to encounter it in a young adult. (You're quite sure you're 26? Son, you've got some serious drying out to do.) Seriously, this is infantile, assuming it wasn't a joke. Your Lennon-esque prescription works well within a family, and can work to some extent between people bound by more distant blood or close social ties. But between total strangers, nope. What's to stop unscrupulous people from taking advantage of you saps? Do you think that ardent socialist George Soros would exchange with others on an honest to God service basis? To help you answer this question, you should know that Soros manipulated the currencies of, inter alia, the UK and Thailand, making billions by further impoverishing the latter. And, although a Jew, he made money during WWII by collaborating with the Nazis. Does that shed any light on the situation?

But to be less dramatic, how do you ensure that others are pulling their weight in this exchange of service? (Please don't tell me that their better natures will do this.) Surely you can see that that sort of thing is a Godsend for parasites.

How can you possibly defend people who benefit from your misfortune while demonizing the people who are trying to fight for you? It doesn't make sense.

It's the implicit premise that doesn't make sense. I'm not a victim. Victims are losers, and vice versa. And I don't need - or want - anyone to fight for me. I'll do my own fighting, thank you very much.

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nima:

i voted dem so i can screw my gay GOP boyfriend up his hole, while having his buddies wondering why his cuming over!

Jeremy, let's part agreeing... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Jeremy, let's part agreeing on the following hope: that you spend the rest of your life dealing with unions and socialist bureaucracies, while I never encounter either again.

Deal?

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LeBron Steinman:

"92. Posted by nima | April 19, 2010 10:19 PM"

Thanks, "nima", for providing a perfect representation of the profound thought and sophisticated polemics of leftists.

"this idea that un... (Below threshold)
Marc:
"this idea that unions are communist and anti-American is absolute hogwash. Unions are the purest expression of democracy in a capitalist society. "

buffoonery in its purest form!

Excuse my while I get out my cluebat: Ipent 10 years working at a Ford assembly plant, dues paying UAW member I was.

10 YEARS, and in that time I never got to take my 2 weeks vaction time when I WANTED. I was too stupid to chose i guess because the UAW in cahoots with the local plant managers dreamed up a great scam.

They DEMANDED you take vacation when THEY decided it was needed. Needed so they could shut the plant down for normal yearly model changeover.

A process then that took 4-6 weeks, as a result rather than layoff workers for 4-6 weeks they mandated you take whatever vacation time accured up to a max of 2 weeks.

As a result they saved a BUTTLOAD of cash because union contacts mandated Ford supliment unemployment up to 95% or your normal weekly wage.

"purest expression of democracy" my aching ass!!!

Both Ford and the UAW were theives in the night.

BTW, what are you 3 years old?

Republicans are idiots. End... (Below threshold)
Guy:

Republicans are idiots. End of story.

Can't disagree with that, g... (Below threshold)
Tom:

Can't disagree with that, guy. Well put.

'Guy' and 'Tom':Get ... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

'Guy' and 'Tom':
Get a room.

I voted Democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
Dave:

I voted Democrat because I grew weary of a Republican administration that came across as if it presumed that I'm some kind of moron.

I voted Democrat because it seemed like a good alternative to a party that appears to be owned lock, stock, and barrel by Wall Street and the multinational corporations.

I voted Democrat because I couldn't imagine the Republican party doing an about-face and responding differently to a disaster similar to Hurricane Katrina.

I voted Democrat after at least two Republican attempts to "stimulate the economy" with photo-op "refunds" that depleted a very real budget surplus and helped to ruin our economy to such a point that even a lesser failure than the mortgage crisis and the stumbling of Wall Street would have brought us to the same economic place.

I voted Democrat thanks to the previous administration's rush into Afghanistan and Iraq without any more than the say-so of a few military-industrial complex yes-men.

I voted Democrat because so many Republicans seem to use the Reagan model of "conservative government", an administration during which the federal government grew by leaps and bounds to nearly its present size. Ronald Reagan was a delusional buffoon who DID NOT bring down the Berlin wall, who DID NOT defeat 'the evil empire", who HAS pulled the wool over the eyes of at least one generation.

I WAS a Republican. I changed my affiliation to Independent after the stench of the rotting corpse of the Republican party that I had known became too much to bear.

I became an Independent thanks to utter dreck like the post that I'm responding to.

Bravo Dave. I may ... (Below threshold)
TK:

Bravo Dave.

I may not rush into the open arms of the Democrats, but as a former 'conservative', I really feel the Republican party has done a damn fine job of alienating me and a large portion of their constituency, nay, country over the past 8-10 years. I honestly think both parties have their heads up their collective asses, but you all know the odds of a third party actually getting things done in this country.

I voted democrat when I use... (Below threshold)
OLSOLJER:

I voted democrat when I used to be a racist

Boy this thread is infested... (Below threshold)
914:

Boy this thread is infested with a bunch of filthy leftist sock puppets...Must have hit a nerve.

Fuck all of you stupid bast... (Below threshold)
alex:

Fuck all of you stupid bastards. Politically active Democrats are the worst. Followed closely by Politically Active Republicans. Social Liberalism is a joke and a failed experiment. The only ideology that has had any success in this country is Conservatism. The Republicans put on a facade of conservative ideas but really their ideas are not much different than the dems. Power power power. The last president that we had that stood a chance at making a difference was Ronald Reagan but he fucked it all up because he was too weak to try even his own ideas (and they were great ideas). But instead, he attempted to do what was popular and he fucked that up too. Like some of you idiots out there I used to be a Republican as well. Now I'm nothing; not even an Independent. I currently belong to the "Fuck all you assholes" party (I'm the only member, and no you can't join). Fuck Al gore. The end motherfuckers.

one more thing. </... (Below threshold)
alex:

one more thing.

I used to be a Democrat when I used to be a woman.

Hmmm, every liberal post re... (Below threshold)
Brendan N.:

Hmmm, every liberal post receives a negative score, and every conservative post receives a positive score. Lets see. Am I liberal or conservative...

I vote republican because I... (Below threshold)
james:

I vote republican because I.......
Hate poor people.
Hate those that are not white and believe in Jesus.
Hate people that choose NOT to have a family and chooses not to.
Hate anyone that believes in the right to innocence prior to being proven guilty
Hate people that believe that corporations should have some accountability for their actions.
And last but not least Homosexuals and brown people.

I voted Democrat because my... (Below threshold)

I voted Democrat because my identity is only skin deep.

I voted Democrat because Ba... (Below threshold)
914:

I voted Democrat because Barry is half-black and I feel so bad for him.

Re: Dave in #99Tur... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

Re: Dave in #99

Turn off the network news. They're lying to you. Everything you believe is the opposite of the truth.

Either that or you've suffered a massive head wound. Or had a lobotomy.

I vote Democrat because Jes... (Below threshold)
Chris W:

I vote Democrat because Jesus said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and also render unto Caesar what is God's so that an unloving bureaucracy can do the work of the church."

I vote Democrat because I'd rather live in a public housing project than in a Habitat house.

I vote Democrat because waterboarding Al Qaeda masterminds is reprehensible, but firing Hellfire missile from a Predator drone at 15,000 feet to kill one of those masterminds (and any kids in the vicinity) is pretty cool.

I vote Democrat because I love women's rights and public education... except for Afghan girls... the Taliban can continue throwing acid on their faces.

I vote Democrat because I believe that when a school needs to be down-sized, it should be the teachers with the least seniority who are laid-off, not the teachers who are least effective.

I vote Democrat because I think the government should be able to force me out of my home so that they can give it to a rich developer who will pay them more taxes when turning it into commercial property.

I vote Democrat because all those black and brown people are too stupid to have a successful life without my benevolence. After all, it was a Republican president who freed the slaves, a Republican president who sent in troops to enforce Brown v. Board, Republican senators who voted in larger proportion for the Civil Rights Act...

I didn't vote Democrat, bec... (Below threshold)
Jack White:

I didn't vote Democrat, because I don't live in America. XD

You liberals are so funny. Always calling each other liberal, like you're not.

I vote Democrat because I..... (Below threshold)
james:

I vote Democrat because I.......

Love poor people (well, really their votes), as long as they stay the hell away from me;

Hate those that are white and believe in Jesus.

Love people that cannot choose to have a family for obvious biological reasons;

Love anyone that believes in the right to innocence of those who have been proven guilty;

Love people that believe that liberals and terrorists should have no accountability for their actions;

And last but not least love Homosexuals and brown people, and especially homosexual brown people. Call me!

I was told you vote Democra... (Below threshold)
Don:

I was told you vote Democrat because you dont like the Republicans.

In making this ignorant ob... (Below threshold)
Danielle:

In making this ignorant obviously extreme and inaccurate list of something that is supposed to represent all democrats when reality is more complex than that you prove to only have the perspective of an equally extreme republican, no one should be extremely democrat or republican, they should think for themselves.
I believe in a constantly mobile system in a constantly changing world to ensure the protection of my freedoms and liberties regardless of what party the judge may be from.
I believe in business making profit not at the expense of what should be inalienable human rights that are violated by large multinational corporations on a domestic and international level.
I think that Labor is paired with Capital and if we believe in a "free market system" then labor and capital alike should be able to freely move if we are going to think about things as commodities in order to maximize profit, labor needs to be paired with capital. Do you really want the low-wage dunkin donuts jobs that illegal immigrants often get anyways? Are you aware that mathematically illegal immigrants through sales tax alone far exceed the benefits they extract?
Preventing a potential life from existing could be arguably starting at the stage of putting on a condom, at what point does it become life? Is it ethical for a human being to take another human beings life intentionally? These are not questions of liberals or democrats but moral dilemmas which cannot be right or wrong but are an issue of one's own personal moral beliefs.
Another moral dilemma that is based upon one's morals and ethics, under the right regulations and circumstances guns do not have to be illegal. The availability of guns should not be limitless but not 100 percent limited either.
Freedom of speech is protected in our constitution and should not be censored should be protected at all costs.
In today's society it is evident that leaving the power to business alone does nothing but manifest an increase in poverty and homelessness domestically and abroad. There are certain goods economically defined as public goods that should not be associated with an economic incentive when it involves the well being of a citizen that is morally and ethically wrong to be paired with an economic incentive. As a result of free-ridership certain goods by nature need to be controlled by a third party or else no one would foot the bill.. we wouldn't have public roads for example.
Meteorologists are not the people researching global climate change, they are completely different fields of scientific research... People refuse to believe global climate change because it is not in their economic interest to do so.

I am an individual, regardless of political party I vote for the candidate that best serves and obtains the same visions for the future of America as I do and will best serve America in success morally and ethically as well as economically.

i admit, it does in fact ma... (Below threshold)

i admit, it does in fact make a lot of sense (cents?)

I hope you're really good-l... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I hope you're really good-looking, because if so you've got your beauty contestant speech down cold.

On the other hand, in the more likely circumstance that you're a bowser, you're wasting pixels and everyone's time.

For the cognitively challenged (not looking in any particular direction, Danielle):

...I vote for the candidate that ...will best serve America in success morally and ethically as well as economically.

determination of which candidates and policies fit that description is exactly the subject of the discussion.

Not one person in this enti... (Below threshold)
Nick:

Not one person in this entire list of comments is realistic about government. Those in power are either stupid, ignorant republicans or moronic, hypocritical democrats. Listen to yourselves! In what POSSIBLE way does mindlessly insulting one another serve a purpose other than to waste YOUR time and everyone else's.

Nick, thanks for reminding ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Nick, thanks for reminding us you can be a dumb twat without having one.

Blah blablah blablah blah b... (Below threshold)
Tony:

Blah blablah blablah blah blah - I got something to say - blah blablah blablah blah blah. But really, though, Rick, way to go, man! If there are any open minded Democrats, maybe it will open their eyes, but I can't really imagine that happening...mostly they are just 10 excellent points...MOST excellent...it doesn't matter what anybody says...the truth is the truth. You can argue all you want...doesn't change a thing.

the truth is the t... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
the truth is the truth

Thank you for your analysis. If you hook up with Danielle, please use contraception.

Thanks.

#119This wasnt int... (Below threshold)
914:

#119

This wasnt intended to open leftists eyes.. Just to enjoy their hypocrisy and have a laugh..

I voted democrat because I ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I voted democrat because I feel that people shouldnt have to work if they dont want to and if people suceed in life it is becuase they screwed over the little peoople to do so.

Nick"Not one person ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Nick
"Not one person in this entire list of comments is realistic about government. Those in power are either stupid, ignorant republicans or moronic, hypocritical democrats. Listen to yourselves! In what POSSIBLE way does mindlessly insulting one another serve a purpose other than to waste YOUR time and everyone else's."

Why did you read other peoples comments if they are a waste of your time?

How did you know they were a waste of time unless you read them?

Once again a liberal proves that they have no thought process behind their statements.

Danielle Ref post ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Danielle

Ref post 114.

I would be willing to bet a paycheck that the vast majority of those poeple you deem worthy of your vote have a D behind their name. If they do have an R behind their name then they have names like Snowe and Collins.

I will vote Republican<br /... (Below threshold)
PLS:

I will vote Republican
I believe that tax cuts - especially for the most wealthy -- will stimulate the economy and cut the debt and deficit even though they never have before. I believe that giving Federal assistance to multinational corporations and super-wealthy individuals is good for job growth, even though these corporations we help with our tax dollars shut down their American plants and moved all the jobs to Communist countries. I believe the reason that multinational corporations offshore American jobs is because of unions, and Americans shouldn't be able to unionize anyway. American workers dared to offend the multinational corporations, and workers are now reaping what they have sewn. Since the Supreme Court decreed that corporations are citizens, people should do whatever the multinational corporations tell us to do.

If a CEO makes FOUR HUNDRED times more than the average worker in the plant makes, THEY EARNED IT. That guy that works on the plant floor toiling away - he's just a lazy union worker who hates America. If the foreign owned companies these CEO's are in charge of go bankrupt, it's not their fault - it's the workers' fault.

As a Republican, it doesn't bother me that you can have your pay reduced, or can be fired if you are not performing, but they cannot. The CEO earned that immunity from responsibility - you didn't, so shut up.

As a Republican, I believe that Obama wants to "redistribute" the wealth so that more of the available money is spread around to people that need it most; and as a Republican I believe that this is terrible, and proves he is a godless, commie, socialist, Muslim, baby killer.

Also as a Republican, the fact that over the last eight years income has been redistributed ANYWAY, more to the top than any time in history, and the fact that wages for the middle class have remained stagnant while money from all economic growth accumulates at the very top, and the fact that this "redistribution" to the top is shown in all studies - just proves that the rich are smart and they earned it. You losing your job to a factory in India, China, or Vietnam is all your fault because you wanted 15.00 an hour. They take 61 cents an hour - you should know better.

If you work on a hot factory floor risking your life near heavy machinery and work to the sweat of your brow, you are a lazy leech for asking for 19 dollars an hour.

If you are a CEO of an Insurance Corporation which does not actually provide any health care (they are not doctors) or sit at a computer buying and selling other peoples companies on Wall Street, and you happen to make $19,000.00 dollars an hour -- you earned it and liberals just need to shut up.

I will be voting Republican because I don't believe in welfare - - at least the way I define it. If a poor person with no money or an elderly or sick person needs help, why should my tax dollars help them? If they're poor or sick, it's because God predestined them to be poor and sick and it would be a violation of God's sovereignty and God's will to help them. After all, Jesus said, "God helps those who help themselves."

However, the BILLIONS handed to Corporations for free is NOT welfare. I choose to give that a different name: corporate incentives. If you have a yacht and need a bailout, that helps America.

I am a Republican because Democrats want my money for "public services". Those Democrats want to waste my money on policemen and fire protection. If crime goes up, it's your fault: I have a gun. I will protect myself from crime and I don't need "government." If your house catches on fire, it's your fault: you can pay for your own fire protection and for the cost of the firemen putting out the fire, but I shouldn't have to.

I am pro-life, as long as long as it's in the body of another full-grown woman. I couldn't care less about it the second it's out of the womb, which is also why I'm pro-death penalty, and anti-welfare. If that woman can't afford to feed or clothe that baby once we force her to give birth, my tax dollars shouldn't pay for it because that would be "socialism". She can keep that baby warm with enough blankets and boxes under a bridge, and if she knew how to survive like I do, she would know how to catch and eat rats. You have to make it on your own in this world you know.

It doesn't matter to me that rich women will still be able to obtain abortions in other countries -- whether they believe in it or not. I say, if you don't have the money, then take your America hating butt into a back alley and get your abortion "the old fashioned way" and do it with coat hangars and die.

It doesn't matter to me that abortion rates tend to go up under Republican Administrations and down under Democratic leadership, I chose to believe what I want.

I vote Republican because I believe in the Constitution. The Constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Don't give me that crap about seeking redress, right to vote, right to privacy, speech, press, warrants, probable cause, or all that other nonsense. Our country is based on firearms: you should know that, or get out of my country. You liberal moon bats need to shut up about article one and article two congressional oversight powers and checks and balances garbage (unless a Democrat is President). You must be commies or something.

As a Republican, I believe I should be able to own nukes, biological weapons, chemical weapons, and have explosives of any type to defend my house. Liberals hate America because they won't let me have nukes, biological or chemical weapons, or explosives. I believe my seven year old should be able to carry a Glock to school for protection. The damn liberals are stopping him.

I vote Republican and support great Republicans like G. Gordon Liddy, who stated that if an American Law Enforcement Officer comes to your home, you should shoot him in the head... twice, because he will likely be wearing a bullet proof vest. As a Republican, I believe his advising us how to kill our police officers is proof of his patriotism. Real patriots know you should show hatred towards our Federal Government of the USA like Gordon Liddy - and Timothy McVeigh.

I vote Republican because that Muslim Obama went to a Christian Church for twenty years where the church pastor said "God Damn America" for the way the country treated black people. You can't vote for Muslim people who go to Christian churches where the War Veteran pastor would say such a thing, even if the pastor isn't going to be doing anything in Obama's administration or is even remotely connected to it.

I vote Republican because Sarah Palin could be President one day. I don't care that she was a member of a seditious, America-hating group that wants leave America and be its own country and whose leaders at rally's and conventions said "God Damn America" and "had no use for America or its damn institutions." It is a good thing to hate the Federal Government - unless you are a preacher. I support the fact that her husband was a member of a seditious, hate-America movement, until he had to quit so she could run for Governor. That's OK. He did what he had to do to get her elected, and now they could one day run the country they hate. Soon they will be able to finish what Timothy McVeigh, GW Bush and Dick Cheney started: the job of the dismantling of the Federal Government we hate so much.

I don't care if that makes Osama Bin Laden happy or not, or that he shares the same goals.

I vote Republican because I believe in the War on Drugs. Slogans Work -- "Just say no" -- goes a long way in preventing kids from using drugs. It doesn't matter to me that the War makes the drugs thousands of times more profitable, and that profitability provides that much more incentive to dealers and gangs. I don't believe it when people tell me that during Prohibition in the 1920's there were gangs, drive-bys, underground "labs" and corrupt police and officials. Forget rehabilitation; you reap what you sow. I know what works, and the War on Drugs has been working very well which is why we've been spending billions upon untold billions of dollars on the war and putting drug users in prison for very long prison terms but drug use has continued to increase.

I believe that freedom of religion is one of the things that make this country great, which is why we need to establish evangelical Christianity as our national religion. Muslims aren't Christians, and that is why I believe Muslims (and all non-Christians) should get the hell out of my country. I also believe it is important to prove our support of freedom of religion by giving billions of our tax dollars to Israel every year. We need the Jews to re-establish their entire territory as described in the Old Testament writings from 5000 years ago so that Jesus can come back to Rapture evangelical Christians (even though the Rapture is not mentioned anywhere in Scripture); and then God will slay all those Jews and make their blood spurt all over Israeli ground for having killed Christ.


I don't care if Jesus wanted to help the poor and the meek. I only look at the parts of the Bible that benefit me personally. I believe George Bush consulted with Jesus before ordering the shock and awe bombing of that country that didn't attack us. Jesus is a Republican, and if you're not a Republican you don't believe in Jesus.

I vote Republican because I am a Christian, and I believe God gave us the earth to make money from for Corporations. I don't care about the environment: concerns about the environment will be moot after Jesus comes back to Rapture the True Christians to Heaven. I will disregard scientific evidence, because science is only a "theory." Besides, I will be dead before the consequences of our actions affect me so it's none of my concern. My children are good Republicans, so they'll be fine after I'm gone. Even though I don't believe in evolution, I believe they will adapt: survival of the fittest, you know.


I am a Republican because I am tired of immigrants coming to this country and taking our jobs. I know a lot of hardworking American lettuce pickers. It doesn't bother me that our Corporations are shipping our jobs to other countries for cheaper labor and to avoid labor regulations. I'm tired of paying taxes, which is the only reason I can sympathize with immigrant workers who must stay undocumented. They don't have to pay taxes! Hopefully, if a Republican is elected, they will finally let me have a post office box in the Cayman Islands so I don't have to pay taxes either, the way the corporations do.

I am a Republican because I'm tired of minorities whining. They have the same opportunities as every one else but they shouldn't be allowed to get perfect grades, be Constitutional Law Professors, and be President (especially if they're black). I don't like affirmative action for poor minorities. I don't care if the rich and super rich can get into Ivy League Universities, even with failing grades, simply through large donations to endowments "legacy" status, which is affirmative action for the rich. They earned it. Being a fortunate son has its advantages. If you want them, go earn them and stop being a lazy ass.

I hate socialism. I love the military. It doesn't matter to me that the military is provided to me by the contributions of all taxpayers, and defends me as it defends all. I don't care if the Interstate Highway System was built in this manner as well. That was then. If bridges collapse now, people that live near the bridge should pay to fix it, not me.

I believe in a strong military. I believe in our right to preemptively defend ourselves, even if that is an oxymoron. I also believe that we should have the right to bomb any country we believe might be threatening us back into the Stone Age, and that the people of those countries we are invading have no right to defend themselves. I believe a sovereign and safe America also includes annexing the countries of Canada and Mexico.

Republicans believe in an all volunteer military, and I am against the draft - because in a society that runs properly there should be a large pool of poor people with no other options whom we can attack and disparage for being lazy and not joining the military. A military composed of large numbers of volunteer minorities and rural poor whites can only be a good thing.

A country, which runs on oil cannot afford to run out, and I believe in invading countries, that have large supplies of the oil America needs. I don't care that nearly all the Republican leadership who have ordered these wars all had deferments in past wars. The fact that the largest profits in the history of the human race - for Exxon - didn't start to happen until we invaded oil-rich countries is irrelevant.

I vote Republican because I hate Social Security. If only McCain and Bush had succeeded in getting all of our Social Security into the stock market, there may have been just enough money there to keep Wall Street from collapsing - until that source of money dried up and everybody lost their retirement savings.

I am grateful that the Republican has held the entire Congress for almost a decade and a half. I am grateful that we have a Republican majority on the Supreme Court, that Republicans run the Justice Department, FEMA, SEC, FEC, the Pentagon, Courts, Interior, DEC, etc., etc. All of America 's problems are because Democrats have a slight Majority in the US House of Representatives for less than two years. I don't care that the Democrats and Republicans had EQUAL amount of members in the Senate, and that the Democrats can't pass even one single piece of legislation if all our lives depended on it without Senate Republicans allowing it to pass through unobstructed; and even if the legislation did pass unobstructed Bush would still have to agree to sign it. The collapse we are experiencing now is all Democrats fault. Rush Limbaugh said so, and I also saw it on FOX News.

I vote Republican because Sean Hannity told me that all our moral decay, and almost all of today's problems can be traced back to one man - Bill Clinton, and one woman - Nancy Pelosi. If people would just listen to Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingraham, they would know that all failures that we have experienced are the fault of the Democrats, and all the successes we have experienced are because of Republicans. Don't question why they say that, especially when the facts don't jive with their statements. Just believe it.

The only reason America experienced the longest period of peace, equality, and personal prosperity during the Clinton years is because of Newt Gingrich, not Bill Clinton. After all, Clinton was having sex in the White House with Monica Lewinsky while Newt Gingrich was cheating on his wife and announcing his divorce from her while she was in the surgical recovery ward following cancer surgery; and Rush Limbaugh was getting the second of his now-three divorces.

These are plenty of good reasons to vote Republican.


And if you don't vote Republican, we'll just impeach any Democrats who are elected and remove them from office, establish "Tea Parties" fomented and organized by Republicans, and take over the country by fiat or force if necessary, but we're going to have our way. If you're not for us, you're against us - and if you're against us, that makes you a traitor (and we WILL deal with traitors after we're back in power - permanently).

Theres too much bullshit fl... (Below threshold)
Alex:

Theres too much bullshit flying to sift the truth out. So what do you do? Where do you go from here? look to the core of the problems. If you want an interesting read then pick up a copy of The Communist Manifesto by Carl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Their idea of "Bushwa Morality" is the core of what is wrong with the world and America. Call me wrong I don't care, but to find a guilty party in this argument you have to work from the ground up. THE END MOTHERFUCKERS!

I am fully aware that the p... (Below threshold)
Danielle:

I am fully aware that the point of this argument is to discuss which candidate would be most fitting. I do not see either candidate this way. My point is that all that was originally stated does not represent the complex reality of how things actually are and neither does my post. The point is that there is another side to everything that was originally stated and the truth lies somewhere in between.




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