« White House Press Corps Feelings Hurt By Obama Administration | Main | I guess The WaPo thinks they [all] look alike? »

Sound Advice

The news that the Mexican government had issued a travel advisory for its citizens to avoid Arizona gave me a bit of a warm glow. If all the legal Mexicans left or avoided Arizona, that would simplify matters tremendously -- just round up all those that didn't vamos at the warning.

But then I actually read the language of the warning, and had second thoughts.

Mexicans in Arizona should carry documentation and "act carefully" after the state passed a law requiring local police to determine the immigration status of anyone suspected of being in the country illegally, Mexico's Foreign Ministry said.

...

"There is an adverse political environment for migrant communities and all Mexican visitors," Mexico's ministry said. "It's important to act carefully and respect the local laws."

Hmm... when in a foreign country, keep your identification and documentation on you at all times, respect local laws, and act carefully.

You know, that sounds like pretty damned good advice, no matter where you're from or where you're going. I'd even go so far as to call it common sense.

Now, I'm not likely to ever go to Mexico. I have almost no ability to learn other languages, and I consider it rude to go to another country where I don't speak their language. But if I did, I would damned certain to follow the Mexican government's suggestions as a bare minimum. Hell, I'd probably go beyond them. Anyone who didn't do that while in another country is an idiot.

But that also brings to mind an interesting thought. We know what Mexico thinks how the United States ought to handle immigration issues. How do they deal with that situation themselves?

To call it ironic would be an insult to irony. I prefer the term "screamingly hypocritical."

* Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)

* Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)

* Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)

* The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

* Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

* A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

* A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

* Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

* Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

* Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

* Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

* Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

* "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

* Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

* A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)

* Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

And hoo boy, do they enforce those laws.

Often, when I'm unsure about how to judge an issue, I look at how others are reacting. I'm not so much letting those I like shape my opinion, but those I dislike. I freely admit that sometimes I've taken a stance on something not on its own merits, but simply because "it pisses off enough of the right people."

I have some serious Constitutional questions about the Arizona illegal alien law, but right now it's got the Obama administration, the "open borders" crowd and their lackeys, the mainstream media, the mainstream left, the Democratic leadership of Congress, the illegal alien lobby, and the Mexican government all squealing like stuck pigs.

Something that irritates that many people in dire need of irritation simply can't be all that bad.


TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
/cgi-bin/mt-tb.cgi/38900.

Comments (23)

Where is Mexcio? ;-) ... (Below threshold)
Geoffrey Britain:

Where is Mexcio? ;-)

Why let a little thing like... (Below threshold)
Geoffrey Britain:

Why let a little thing like utter hypocrisy stand in the way of a convenient safety valve? Not to mention the $25 Billion Mexicans send home every year.

"* "A penalty of up to two ... (Below threshold)
914:

"* "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)"

Barry Moredoughs next bailout is riding the freedom train.

Y'know if we applied these common sense laws/regs to the politicians here I'm sure they would not live up to 23 of 23. Maybe even more.

"I have some serious Con... (Below threshold)
Geoffrey Britain:

"I have some serious Constitutional questions about the Arizona illegal alien law"

The law's actual wording is quite innocuous. No violation of the Constitution.

The police have to have probable cause and "lawful contact". Only after they've stopped a Hispanic for something they would stop anyone for and, their behavior provides reasonable suspicion of being an illegal, can the officer ask for ID.

So at a traffic stop if the driver or passengers speaks no English then the officer has reasonable suspicion the guys an illegal and can ask for ID.

The law specifically says that race alone is not probable cause.

Mexico's minist... (Below threshold)
Mexico's ministry said. "It's important to act carefully and respect the local laws."
AT LONG LAST! They've finally figureed it out! Miracles do happen!!
You'll notice that the Mexi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

You'll notice that the Mexican government isn't curtailing 'visiting' the US. After all, their citizens in the US are responsible for sending home BILLIONS each year. It's the SECOND highest source of income for them (right after oil).

The news that the ... (Below threshold)
Senor Cardgage:
The news that the Mexican government had issued a travel advisory for its citizens to avoid Mexico

Proofread.

Any time one law can piss o... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Any time one law can piss off the liberals, the administration and the Mexican government, SCORE!!

You notice how the advisory didn't tell the Mexicans to stay out of AZ.

President Obama is against the law because he doesn't want to prove his citizenship when he comes to AZ.

Matt - "President Obama... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Matt - "President Obama is against the law because he doesn't want to prove his citizenship when he comes to AZ."

Hark, a birther sings!

"President Obama is agai... (Below threshold)
George K Obama:

"President Obama is against the law because he doesn't want to prove his citizenship when he comes to AZ."

Or anywhere else.

Hark, a birther sings!</... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Hark, a birther sings!

I'm not a birther, I am sure President Obama can present valid documentation of his U.S. citizenship upon request.

On another bright note, San Francisco has cut diplomatic ties with AZ!! Another WIN!!

http://dailycaller.com/2010/04/28/san-francisco-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-arizona/

The San Francisco Chronicle reports:

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom announced today a moratorium on official city travel to Arizona after the state enacted a controversial new immigration law that directs local police to arrest those suspected of being in the country illegally.

Matt - "... (Below threshold)
914:


Matt -

"President Obama is against the law because he doesn't want to prove his citizenship when he comes to AZ."

He's afraid Sherriff Joe will throw his ass in the can.


Geoffrey Britain - "The... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Geoffrey Britain - "The law's actual wording is quite innocuous. No violation of the Constitution."

Precisely. Hell not only innocuous, but shall we say... "repetitive," i.e. all it's doing is requiring the state to follow Fed law.

Via the actual text of the law: (all caps in pdf sorry)

A. NO OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR
17 OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY LIMIT OR RESTRICT THE
18 ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT
19 PERMITTED BY FEDERAL LAW.
20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW
21 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW
22 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF
23 THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO
24 IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE
25 MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON,
26 EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION. ANY
27 PERSON WHO IS ARRESTED SHALL HAVE THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS DETERMINED
28 BEFORE THE PERSON IS RELEASED. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE
29 VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION
30 1373(c). A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY,
31 CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY
32 CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
33 THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR
34 ARIZONA CONSTITUTION. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS
35 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW
36 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR AGENCY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING:
37 1. A VALID ARIZONA DRIVER LICENSE.
38 2. A VALID ARIZONA NONOPERATING IDENTIFICATION LICENSE.
39 3. A VALID TRIBAL ENROLLMENT CARD OR OTHER FORM OF TRIBAL
40 IDENTIFICATION.
41 4. IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED STATES
42 BEFORE ISSUANCE, ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL GOVERNMENT
43 ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
Hell the pols of Arizona even thought ahead enough to see the BS coming and added subsection G that details penalties, and or legal action lawful citizen of the state can pursue:

"G. A PERSON WHO IS A LEGAL RESIDENT OF THIS STATE MAY BRING AN ACTION
37 IN SUPERIOR COURT TO CHALLENGE ANY OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A
38 COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE THAT ADOPTS
39 OR IMPLEMENTS A POLICY OR PRACTICE THAT LIMITS OR RESTRICTS THE ENFORCEMENT
40 OF FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS TO LESS THAN THE FULL EXTENT PERMITTED BY FEDERAL
41 LAW. IF THERE IS A JUDICIAL FINDING THAT AN ENTITY HAS VIOLATED THIS
42 SECTION, THE COURT SHALL ORDER THAT THE ENTITY PAY A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT
43 LESS THAN ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NOT MORE THAN FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR
44 EACH DAY THAT THE POLICY HAS REMAINED IN EFFECT AFTER THE FILING OF AN ACTION
45 PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION."


BTW, anyone notice the state of Utah is in the process of drafting the same type law for it's residents?

Personally, I'd like the US... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Personally, I'd like the US to reciprocate with a law that mirrors Mexico's immigration laws.

Seriously, how fast do you think it would clear out the overhead of people that have overstayed their expired work/student/guest visa's?

Ya'll didn't REALLY think *all* the illegal aliens were from Mexico do you?

@Gmac,You don't this... (Below threshold)
Meiji_man:

@Gmac,
You don't this groups like the Democrats or La Raza care about "ALL" the Illegal aliens do you?

"You don't this gr... (Below threshold)
Marc:
"You don't this groups like the Democrats or La Raza care about "ALL" the Illegal aliens do you?"
Somehow I don't believe they are too concerned about illegal Cannucks or Irishmen - I could be wrong - but not likely.
I don't think Democrats or ... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I don't think Democrats or liberals care to have a law on the books that kills off a base constituency or a boogeyman to flog that they wear out like a dead horse.

But that's just my observation.

If San Fran Nan likes the i... (Below threshold)
mag:

If San Fran Nan likes the illegals so much, I wonder how she would feel if a bunch of them camped on her front lawn...cooking, cleaning and using the "outdoor facilities".

These elites are not touch by them. And as far as I can see the democrats are way worst a threat this country than the middle east terrorist. I can not tell you how many people around my area (which is heavily demo) swear they won't ever vote from them again. The enemy within is much more dangerous. We are in a war of sorts....

But good for AZ...

mag - "These elites are... (Below threshold)
Marc:

mag - "These elites are not touch by them. "

Then you don't know elites, who do you think are their underpaid nannys, poolboys and drivers?

I have to provide a drivers... (Below threshold)
VagaBond:

I have to provide a drivers license and registration if I have been stopped by a cop. Everybody does. What's wrong with that?

Excuse me. If you are here in this country illegally, you have no rights.

Wait a minute. I take that back:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.

If the San Franciscan offic... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

If the San Franciscan officials lead a boycott of Arizona, I suggest everyone else boycott San Fran.

#1 - Mexico is the 57th STA... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

#1 - Mexico is the 57th STATE!!!!

Front page yesterdays Arizona Republic had a picture of an illegal female in tears. Apparently they had to sell their trailer and will be moving out of Arizona. The article also stated that illegals from Mexico have been leaving the state for the past couple of years as well as legal Mexicans.

As far as San Francisco is concerned GREAT!! For the past 20 years I have done my best to never travel to Kalifornia. Here's hoping the illegals from Arizona all move to SF.

I have a simple solution fo... (Below threshold)
cstmbuild:

I have a simple solution for the illegal immigration problem, since the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico I think we should copy Mexico's immigration law(s). If we copy exactly what Mexico has then we can't be racists or prejudice, can we? If it is good enough for a country that just about everyone seems to want to LEAVE then surely it is good enough for the USA! It would certainly be hard for the Mexican government to complain, wouldn't it? And some of you think the Arizona law is racist or mean. Take some time to read what will and could happen to you if you enter Mexico without the proper documentation.




Advertisements









rightads.gif

beltwaybloggers.gif

insiderslogo.jpg

mba_blue.gif

Follow Wizbang

Follow Wizbang on FacebookFollow Wizbang on TwitterSubscribe to Wizbang feedWizbang Mobile

Contact

Send e-mail tips to us:

[email protected]

Fresh Links

Credits

Section Editor: Maggie Whitton

Editors: Jay Tea, Lorie Byrd, Kim Priestap, DJ Drummond, Michael Laprarie, Baron Von Ottomatic, Shawn Mallow, Rick, Dan Karipides, Michael Avitablile, Charlie Quidnunc, Steve Schippert

Emeritus: Paul, Mary Katherine Ham, Jim Addison, Alexander K. McClure, Cassy Fiano, Bill Jempty, John Stansbury, Rob Port

In Memorium: HughS

All original content copyright © 2003-2010 by Wizbang®, LLC. All rights reserved. Wizbang® is a registered service mark.

Powered by Movable Type Pro 4.361

Hosting by ServInt

Ratings on this site are powered by the Ajax Ratings Pro plugin for Movable Type.

Search on this site is powered by the FastSearch plugin for Movable Type.

Blogrolls on this site are powered by the MT-Blogroll.

Temporary site design is based on Cutline and Cutline for MT. Graphics by Apothegm Designs.

Author Login



Terms Of Service

DCMA Compliance Notice

Privacy Policy