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The Care And Feeding Of Trolls

One of the things I cherish most about Wizbang -- and what brought me back after my brief adventure as a "professional blogger" -- is the community of commenters. It's a huge factor in my enjoyment of blogging.

And while it might seem a bit ungrateful to those who "like" me, I find I pay more attention to those who disagree with me than those who often pat me on the back. I'd like to single out four of those "dissenters" for special attention, because they each bring different things to the party.

First up, one I wish would just go away. "BryanD" has been a long-time detractor here, and while he's sometimes had good points, he had to cross the line.

"IThe real scandal though is the outsourcing of construction to China, knowledge of which could harsh the GOP/Dem interdependency multinational corporate freedom-to-niggerdom scheme, so you're excused under rules of tactical bipartisanship."

I told him that the use of that term was inappropriate, and told him I would change it to an alternative if he would offer one. If he didn't like the ruling, I would ban him.

His response? That he had no fear of being banned, and would find ways around it.

So I banned him. And, as promised, he has found ways of getting past the banning. So, each and every time he does, I trash his comments and ban his latest IP. This has been going on for over a month, and I have no intention of stopping. He's simply unwelcome here. Hell, I've got a bookmark set up to find his comments, and check it at least once a day.

I have no intention of changing my mind on that one. For one, BryanD hasn't asked me to, so he seems content with the status quo.

Next up, there's Lee Ward. Lee has a lengthy history at Wizbang. He started out as a commenter, but his frothing lunacy and abuse of the authors led to his being banned. Then, when we had our "noble experiment" of Wizbang Blue, he somehow ended up as one of the editors. That morphed to the point where he, through sheer bullying power, became the de facto "main editor" and started banning anyone who disagreed with him, proved him wrong, or in general made him look bad. (Ward being Ward, that's not that hard to do.) His list of banned people grew to the point where it rivalled Little Green Footballs and, like LGF, became a badge of honor, and then the plug was pulled on Blue.

Months later, Lee Ward came slinking back here, still up to his old games -- but without the power of controlling the conversation, he's a flailing, impotent lout. That period of unfettered power deprived him of what little edge he had.

But I feel a bit of pity for the guy. I have publicly stated, several times, that I have no intention of banning him. I have even, in a sense, taken him under my wing -- I've told my colleagues here at Wizbang that I would consider it a personal favor (cue "The Godfather" music here) if they didn't ban him, either.

OK, that's not true. I'm not motivated by pity. I'm motivated by malice.

I don't like Lee Ward. I never have. I likely never will. And there's a part of me that gets a vicious thrill out of smacking him around, of taking him on and taking him down, of hounding him with his own words and his own lies and his own hypocrisy. He's like my own personal chew-toy. If I really felt pity for him, I'd ban him for his own good, grant him the slightest bit of dignity and let him tell himself (and others) that he "won" by forcing me to resort to my position of power and authority to silence him because I couldn't beat him one-on-one.

But as I said, I don't like him. And I'm not going to do him that favor. If he up and disappears (for good, not for just a day or two), it'll be because he has finally admitted that he's hopelessly outclassed here, that he is simply incapable of winning on his own merits.

To steal a line from one of my favorite movies, "Lick it up, baby. Lick. It. Up."

No, it's not very noble of me. I can live with it in this case.

Then there's TinaS. TinaS first showed up on the scene as a "concern troll," but she really wasn't that good at it. I suspect it's because pulling that stunt off requires a bit of skill at deception, and she lacks that skill. (Not that there's anything wrong with that per se; we pay people to deceive us all the time, but we call them "actors" and "authors.") She soon dropped that schtick and "came out" as a liberal, but an honest and thoughtful one. She's also learned that not all conservatives (using the term loosely in my own case) are AmeriKKKan Talban and mouth-breathing RAAAAACISTS and whatever else the left likes to stereotype us. She's also challenged us on some good points, and I hope she continues to stick around.

Finally, there's JamesH. He's another "honest" liberal. He's been batted around and abused by some of the regulars (you know who you are), but he's alternately shrugged it off and given as good as he gets. He also regularly catches me in errors and inconsistencies, and I appreciate that -- admittedly, with a wince or two, but I know it's good for me.

I probably shouldn't say this, but I will anyway: JamesH has a lengthy and distinguished history with Wizbang, and has been around for longer and been far more significant here than most people realize. He's changed and evolved over the years (is this your fourth ID, chum? I tried to keep track, but I might have forgotten one or two), but I'm quite proud to call him a "Friend Of Wizbang" and hope he'll stick around even longer.

And no, let's get one thing settled before it even starts: I'm not "JamesH." We actually have been seen together, in public, once. And I might look him up again in a couple of months for lunch.

Oh, what the hell. If BryanD sees this article (and he seems to read Wizbang fairly regularly), I will NOT delete his comments out of hand on this thread. And I also hope Lee Ward chooses to grace us with his presence here, too.


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Jay TeaWas glad to... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

Was glad to see BryanD go.

You forgot to mention the infamous Adriane Browne who does drive by quotes.

The infamous Grocery store owner who is doing so much better than 99% of the rest of the folks in these economic times. His comments are so striking I seem to have forgotten his name.

Then we have Bruce Henry, who at least speaks intelligently (at least word structure that is)not that I agree with his statements all that much.

some of the trolls are kind... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

some of the trolls are kinda cute (in the right light), so please don't ban 'em all. :)

I have changed my moniker 3... (Below threshold)
914:

I have changed my moniker 3 times in the last 7 years and still cant keep up with the rich successful trolls like Hooson.

speaking of trolls...our Tr... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

speaking of trolls...our Troll-In-Chief gave a speech today decrying "anit-Government rhetoric"

during the 8 years of Bush's Presidency, Obama and his cronies were SCREECHING against Bush and the government. Obama's closest friends and advisers tried to DESTROY the government.

but now that he IS the government we all need to STFU and worhsip him.

what a worthless putz!

There are several reasons t... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

There are several reasons to keep trolls around the blog;

1. Even when (90% of the time) they are behaving badly, the trolls show us how their politics look in that light and remind us not to go down that road ourselves;

2. Occasionally a troll will be right on a minor point, and it's really sute to see them light up when they finally win a point;

3. Reasonable people look for rational arguments. When a troll spews his hate and venom, he drives independents to the adults' side of the room;

4. And of course, if it becomes absolutely necessary to remove a troll's droppings (for things like profanity, violence, or to prevent a hijacking), it's nice to know that batter-fried trolls are crunchy and good with ketchup.

I never got banned at Wizbl... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

I never got banned at Wizblue. Every time I thought for sure I'd be banned for what I said, I'd check back in and my next comment would be accepted.

I'm so ashamed. Am I not troll enough?

Yet regarding the trolls:</... (Below threshold)
John Hansen:

Yet regarding the trolls:

They're so vain, they probably think this post is about them.

Sometimes it is the trolls... (Below threshold)
Dave in Alaska:

Sometimes it is the trolls and their comments that make us produce our best work..

Oyster, that's completely u... (Below threshold)

Oyster, that's completely unacceptable. If you did NOT get banned at Blue, you obviously did something heinously wrong. Just on that presumption alone, I'm tempted to ban you here.

J.

The thing I find interestin... (Below threshold)
apb:

The thing I find interesting about the trolls is that they really represent that cross-section of the public that is afflicted with zero logic, and can't learn - nothing but simplistic, dogmatic blather-ers.

Whack-a-mole is certainly fun, but I wish that their little flea brains could absorb SOMETHING.

And while it might seem ... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

And while it might seem a bit ungrateful to those who "like" me, I find I pay more attention to those who disagree with me than those who often pat me on the back.

I usually disagree with you, but I do like your writing, in general - you often speak sense, even where I might disagree with your general point, and you're not prone to the frothing paranoia regularly displayed by most of your blogging colleagues.

...whatever else the left likes to stereotype us.

Hmmm. Anyone who has the audacity to disagree with the general consensus here is branded a troll. Can I also direct you to post #10? Yes, it's the 'left' doing all the stereotyping...

I think trolls, I suppose a... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I think trolls, I suppose are useful for pointing out the other party's blind spots. I know the Demos have several, but it is not up to me to take the time to point them out, after all the Republicans are already the home team on this blog, and the Dems are clearly the away, but Jay I give you credit -not much, grant you- for being almost the sole editor for admitting occasional wrongdoing on your side.

And by the way, I don't understand this visceral loathing of Obama personally on every thing and every where, as a shorthand for Democrat policies, many years in the making, after denunciating the 'simple-mindedness' of the 'Bush derangement syndrome' of liberals, when shrub was in office.

The occasional troll here m... (Below threshold)
Stan:

The occasional troll here makes things a bit lively here, but that only goes so far. When the ones like Lee Ward and BryanD get something in their head, it is damn near impossible to dislodge it. Even with dynamite. They are no worse than any other ones that populate other forums and our trolls can be quite entertaining at times. Yes there are moderators to keep the bullshit from getting too deep on both sides. Some boards don't even do that.

What's most annoying about ... (Below threshold)
davidt:

What's most annoying about some trolls is how they hijack a thread to some off topic nonsense of their choosing.

I still say bryanD's charac... (Below threshold)
Senor Cardgage:

I still say bryanD's characterization of Jay Tea as a "tubby agoraphobe" is one of the funniest and most apt descriptions I've ever come across.

JT,Watch the "Friend... (Below threshold)
codekeyguy:

JT,
Watch the "Friends of Wizbang" label. Remember "Friends of Angelo"?

(shrug) Senor, there's a bi... (Below threshold)

(shrug) Senor, there's a bit of truth in that. Although I prefer the term I believe I coined -- "claustrophile." It's not so much a fear of open spaces as a fondness for enclosed ones. I don't have any trepidations about being in the open.

But what relevance is it to anything, really? Other than showing that BryanD has picked up a few things I've said here and there and drawn a fairly correct conclusion about me, personally?

Big whoop. That ain't why I write here.

J.

And by the way, I don't und... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

And by the way, I don't understand this visceral loathing of Obama personally on every thing and every where, as a shorthand for Democrat policies, many years in the making, after denunciating the 'simple-mindedness' of the 'Bush derangement syndrome' of liberals, when shrub was in office.

12. Posted by Steve Crickmore | May 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Score: -1 (1 votes cast)

The difference was that we admitted that George Bush had faults. But by and by, he stood by his principals, and had the good of the nation as his first priority - whether we agreed with his methods or not.

Obama, on ht eother hand, does NOT have the good of this country as his goal - and that makes everything he does suspect - and 99% wrong.

As to the matter o... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:


As to the matter of trolls--it has become increasingly evident that Troll University is suffering from a decided lack of competent students. There's been a persistent rumor that underfunding and curriculum issues have been a major factor.

The current crop, in light of these disadvantages, should be commended for their effort, I feel.

Plus, they're still fun to bat around.

MycroftThe diff... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

Mycroft

The difference was that we admitted that George Bush had faults.

I don't personally know anyone, regardless of political slant, who actually likes Obama. I don't know where conservatives get the idea that Obama is universally worshipped by anyone with remotely progressive political views.

[Bush] had the good of the nation as his first priority - whether we agreed with his methods or not.

Obama, on ht eother hand, does NOT have the good of this country as his goal

I see this accusation leveled at Obama a lot in the comments here and I have to ask - do you really believe this shit? Fair enough, you disagree with the guy's (and his party's) politics, but do you honestly think that he's attempting to destroy America from within? I ask, because that would be utterly batshit insane.

(Oh, and I accidentally hit the Report button under Mycroft's comment. No idea where or how this gets reported, but I certainly don't want to complain about its content!)

Fair enough, you d... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:
Fair enough, you disagree with the guy's (and his party's) politics, but do you honestly think that he's attempting to destroy America from within?

Well, he did say that he was going to fundamentally transform the country. So far, he's been trying pretty hard to keep that promise.

Ok, Alfonso Paulista, I'll ... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Ok, Alfonso Paulista, I'll play (exactly one round).

Look at the debt Obama has run up in his first 16 months in the White House. That's economy ruining debt. Perhaps it's not even possible to recover from that debt at this point. And this is before the ObamaCare debt becomes payable.

So you tell me, is Obama just a drooling idiot, or did he do this on purpose?

And by the way, I don't und... (Below threshold)
HughS:

And by the way, I don't understand this visceral loathing of Obama personally on every thing and every where, as a shorthand for Democrat policies, many years in the making, after denunciating the 'simple-mindedness' of the 'Bush derangement syndrome' of liberals, when shrub was in office.

12. Posted by Steve Crickmore | May 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Vote up Vote down Report this comment Score: -1 (3 votes cast)

Steve

The loathing has become visceral because of the level of deceit. President Obama's policy initiatives and legislative goals do not remotely resemble the election platform he used to sell himself to American voters. That might be SOP of many politicians (left and right) but this President is doing it at a very dangerous time in history. Candidate Obama is a stranger to President Obama at a time when the toleration for bullshit is thin. In a growing economy, with sub 5% unemployment perhaps he could get by with the duplicity; but people are paying attention now because they are scared. A lot of what you attribute to visceral loathing is a healthy refusal to put oneself in more danger.

"If BryanD sees this articl... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"If BryanD sees this article (and he seems to read Wizbang fairly regularly), I will NOT delete his comments out of hand on this thread."---jt

Bad timing.
Just back from an Irish wake; drunk AND stuffed.
One or the other? OK.
Both concurrently? Mizzzerable.

"Was glad to see BryanD go."---retired military

Hi, marc.

is Obama just a drooling id... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

is Obama just a drooling idiot"

YES! Mr Super IQ IS and IDIOT! He's also a two-faced LIAR!

Let's hope he's the LAST "Affirmative Action President".

The first time I was banned... (Below threshold)
LiberalNitemare:

The first time I was banned from WizbangBlue I was quite proud of myself. However it seemed like it was getting alot easier towards the end :)

Either I was getting better at my job, or Lee was getting worse at his - probably the latter.

>I don't personally know... (Below threshold)
Mycroft:

>I don't personally know anyone, regardless of political slant, who actually likes Obama. I don't know where conservatives get the idea that Obama is universally worshipped by anyone with remotely progressive political views.

Look no further them the MSM. According to them, Obama can do no wrong.

>Obama, on the other hand, does NOT have the good of this country as his goal

>>I see this accusation leveled at Obama a lot in the comments here and I have to ask - do you really believe this shit? Fair enough, you disagree with the guy's (and his party's) politics, but do you honestly think that he's attempting to destroy America from within? I ask, because that would be utterly batshit insane.

Well, once or twice I could put down to incompetence or stupidity, but we are LONG past the point where that makes sense. Have you seen ANYTHING this president has done that has turne dout good for this country? Bueller? From Giving crappy gifts to feoriegn dignataries to Obamacare - nothing was done well.

>(Oh, and I accidentally hit the Report button under Mycroft's comment. No idea where or how this gets reported, but I certainly don't want to complain about its content!)

Stuff happens, no harm, no foul.

>20. Posted by Alfonso Paulista | May 1, 2010 5:57 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)

BryanDWas glad to ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BryanD

Was glad to see BryanD go."---retired military

Hi, marc.


My name isnt Marc. I dont know to whom you are referring.

Upset Old GuySo... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

Upset Old Guy

So you tell me, is Obama just a drooling idiot, or did he do this on purpose?

Neither. He inherited an utterly disastrous situation. Which is not to say that he's necessarily done the best job of dealing with it, but that's another argument.

Do you really think that the government were responsible for the collapse of pretty much all the economies of the western world and that even if you do, it was the Obama administration who caused it? the damage was done long ago and while governments were at fault for not regulating better the financial services industry, I don't recall many arguments - from either party - to rein these gambling addicts in when times were good and they were magicking imaginary money from nowhere.

And, for what it's worth, I don't think that if we'd had a Democratic administration, rather than W, in place, things would have been any different.

GarandFanYES! M... (Below threshold)
Alfonso Paulista:

GarandFan

YES! Mr Super IQ IS and IDIOT!

Jesus. You couldn't make it up.

I gotta go out. Mycroft - I'll reply to your post later.

Have a good evening, folks!

I don't doubt that Obama an... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

I don't doubt that Obama and the far leftists truly believe their policies are best, because he in particular has never been in an environment where he had to deal with an opposing view. This Marxist crap dominates the left and academia these days, and Obama has never been far away from either.

They DO however also believe America is at least equally responsible for the world's problems, and are the children (blood and "intellectual") of those who saw the USA and USSR as moral equivalents.

THAT, my friends, is "batshit insane."


I was never banned at Blue either, but I was very careful with my posting there, so that if I were ever banned it would be clear it was simply for holding a different view. Also, there and with some other leftist boards, I have sometimes used a Socratic strategy of only asking questions. The leftist authors just give their stock answers, but any unbiased readers would get the point.

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I always thought Jay's specific condition was "clausto-angoraphobic gourmand syndrome," which is the fear of being caught out of doors with a sheep, and overeating to compensate.

Of course, I am not a psychiatrist, I just play one on the internet. But I'm probably as much of a psychiatrist as Obama ever was of a "constitution law professor," FWIW.

Me? A troll? Puh-leeze. ... (Below threshold)
James H:

Me? A troll? Puh-leeze. I just pop in occasionally to give everybody a good shaking. And to bedevil Jay Tea.

Oh, and if you're coming up for lunch sometime soon, Jay Tea, I'm going to carry you into the belly of DC liberalism.

"Fair enough, you disagree ... (Below threshold)
apb:

"Fair enough, you disagree with the guy's (and his party's) politics, but do you honestly think that he's attempting to destroy America from within? I ask, because that would be utterly batshit insane."

"He inherited an utterly disastrous situation."

Hmmm. Sounds like one of those simplistic, dogmatic blather-ers. Bedtime for Bonzo.

Why is that inheriting a ba... (Below threshold)
John:

Why is that inheriting a bad situation requires making it worse?

I was at a birthday party t... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

I was at a birthday party the other day.
Someone commented on the nerve of Republicans calling Democrats Nazi. I played along and said why is that wrong. He said because everyone knew that the right wing people are really Nazi. The I asked in what way. Well right wingers want government control.

Well had a long talk about big government and at the end it was that the Democrats want to help people and the Republican are greedy so it ok to use words that paint them as evil.

So BHO can attack all day long because he is saint but no one can talk about his lies and power grabs.

So you see the problem only is that right wing people are not allowed to use word like that. However if your left wing the demonization of others is ok because it for the greater good.

Jim Addison: <blockqu... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Jim Addison:

"I was never banned at Blue either, but I was very careful with my posting there, so that if I were ever banned it would be clear it was simply for holding a different view."

Right. Nobody was ever banned for simply holding a different view. And yes, on the heated battlefield of political discourse you have to be careful and not abusive.

Jay's anger and apparent need to continue to lie about this subject stems from the fact that Jay Tea was twice banned for using sock puppets.

After a period to time lapsed Jay was un-banned the first time and given a second chance, at which time it was discovered that the IP address being used by Jay at that time had been used previously by Jay to circumvent the ban so he could resume posting using sock puppets. After being caught a rough count of the number of sock puppets used by Jay was 7 or 8.

I suspect it's the reason why Jay was fired from his gig writing at Contentions under his supposedly real name, J.G. Thayer.

I never got banned at Wizblue. Every time I thought for sure I'd be banned for what I said, I'd check back in and my next comment would be accepted.

I'm so ashamed. Am I not troll enough?

6. Posted by Oyster | May 1, 2010 2:07 PM

No, Oyster, you weren't "troll enough", sorry.

But nobody was banned simply they had a different point of view. Again, that's just another one of Jay's lies.

Now, don't get me wrong. Many commenters thought it was cool to be an asshole in the Wizbang Blue comment threads and get banned. They bragged about their bannings here on the Wizbang and were applauded and encouraged in their trolling by none other than Jay Tea himself.

Jay's pathological need to lie pressed him to use sock puppets - the same "crime" Jay complains about BryanD committing in his lame post above.

I banned commenters at Wizbang Blue for the same reason Wizbang bans commenters. It was no different. Ask the publisher - Kevin Aylward.

Looking forward to your next expose on the New Orleans couple who were beaten by Democrats, Jay!

I suspect it's the reaso... (Below threshold)

I suspect it's the reason why Jay was fired from his gig writing at Contentions under his supposedly real name, J.G. Thayer.

No, you got it backwards, Lee. You were fired from Wizbang Blue; I resigned from Contentions, Lee, for reasons I publicly stated at the time. I presume that you have proof to your slanderous allegations to the contrary?

Of course not. When you lie (as in, "say things that you know are untrue, with the intent to deceive"), it's just a "joke."

Oh, that's right. You don't "KNOW" that it's untrue. You don't have absolute proof that it's untrue, so it's OK to constantly repeat something that you have absolutely no evidence to support, and what evidence is available contradicts it.

I'm surprised you waited as long as you did to trot that one out. It's the same tactic you used during the primary, when you were touting the "Obama's gay lover and drug buddy" story. In the lack of absolute evidence to the contrary, you keep running the same smear over and over.

Good god, you're even more pathetic than I remembered.

Thanks for reminding everyone else about that.

J.

Here's a rumor I heard: Lee... (Below threshold)

Here's a rumor I heard: Lee Ward was fired from his only blogging gig after pictures emerged of him in an orgy with George Soros, Osama Bin Laden, Larry Sinclair, and a goat.

And underaged goat.

Not true, Lee? PROVE IT.

Until I see absolute, incontrovertible proof, I'm going to believe this rumor.

J.

Interesting definition of b... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Interesting definition of being an asshole Lee has. Pointing out Lee's own words contradicting themselves, for instance...

_News Update from Post 24_<... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

_News Update from Post 24_

Refreshed! And I'll never drink again until Thursday!

"BryanD" has been a long-time detractor here, and while he's sometimes had good points, he had to cross the line."--jay tea

I source my iconoclasm which highlights the provincialism of "opponents" and their hasty-baked "opinions" bestowed on high from some typewriting goofball in mumu or some party hack in red tie.

"freedom-to-niggerdom"

"Niggerdom" is a neologism based on the concept of station rather than person, as is evident from its being contrasted by "freedom" as opposed to non-Negro or Caucasion or some such.
You get a D in reading comprehension and an F in prosy, Jay Tea.
BTW, I say my bannination was based most on my oft-exhibited prescience in regard to outing the fake wing of the Tea Party---namely, the TPE/TPN corporations (which has been confirmed in the last few weeks), and many other things besides; ESPECIALLY my well-documented linking of Ronald Reagan to the Chicago Outfit (American Mafia) through Murray Humphries, Sidney Korshak, and MCA honcho, Lew Wasserman.
I verily heard heads explode with that one.
But it was on-topic, i.e. Chicago corruption and politics. (See Moldea: Dark Victory)

And yes I was introducing the camel's nose into the tent with this freaking gem when the postings were torpid:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html

Understated news links are the best news links.

Long-short: I'm an underground railroad from the partisan gulag in which entertainment is mistaken for reason or information. I don't "fit".

"....and told him I would change it to an alternative if he would offer one."---jay te

I never read that, but then I don't hover over this board like some (it's gotten a bit "slow" since 2008); but bless their pea-pickin' hearts who do! (I DID in 2006 before Jay Tea's First Great Bannination (Mr.Ho, ARepublican, etc---those guys were Too GOOD! I "saw" Arch-Lib ARepublican bruce-lee like 6 opponents at once , sending them away within 15 real-time minutes of their first name-calling/calling-out!----needless to say, ARepublican HAD to go----this was when, if thou recallest, the Chimp was really flailing and the pro-Bush sites were excommunicating Republicans for wrong-thinking.)
Ah, good times, good times.

"For one, BryanD hasn't asked me to, so he seems content with the status quo."---jay tea

Are you fishing for an apology from me? A mea culpa? That would be like apologizing to a circus clown for *beeping" his beeping nose.
Grow the fuck up already. :o)

However, I do appreciate this open post.
Sure, it's on a slow weekend, but whuddayagonnado.
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"My name isnt Marc. I dont know to whom you are referring."
28. Posted by retired military

While you're blog personalities are both overtly prissy, I can't marc you as a snitch, so I stand corrected.
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"Jay's pathological need to lie pressed him to use sock puppets - the same "crime" Jay complains about BryanD committing in his lame post above."---LEE WARD

For the record, I have never used "sock puppets", if by that term you mean Another Nic or identity---otherwise I would Un-ban myself with no problemo.

I always use "bryanD" while commenting through proxy servers (it's my blog religion--the religion of Me, Bryan D.)

"I suspect it's the reason why Jay was fired from his gig writing at Contentions under his supposedly real name, J.G. Thayer."---lEE WARD

Well, I missed all that. I was on one of my bi-monthly sabbaticals, banned or no. So I don't know.
HOWEVER! The machine-level word/thought/meme-generating output of one Jennifer Rubin at Contentions is extraordinary and cut-backs are tempting these days, anyway. She ain't going nowhere.

"Supposedly real name, J.G Thayer..."--LEE WARD

I always had "Jay Tea" pegged as, say,
Jerry Teitelbaum
Canarsie, Brooklyn, USA
-Above the Bamboo Lounge, Apt 2B-

XoP

I'm afraid I have to state ... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

I'm afraid I have to state that I've caught Jay Tea in a lie...

The goat was actually "of age" if you consider the human-years-to-goat-years conversion.

"I source my iconoclasm whi... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

"I source my iconoclasm which highlights the provincialism of "opponents" and their hasty-baked "opinions" bestowed on high from some typewriting goofball in mumu or some party hack in red tie."

I love it when BryanD goes off like that. It's so...literary...

Kinda reminds me of:

"It was a dark and stormy night, full of foreboding, and even the crickets crunching underfoot warned of the malevolence in the air..."

BryanD, what you do not or ... (Below threshold)

BryanD, what you do not or will not recognize is that we authors/editors/hosts have both a right and a duty to maintain certain standards. If you don't care for how we administer the site, you're welcome to leave. And stay away.

Our house. Our site. Our rules. Not yours.

J.

"I love it when BryanD goes... (Below threshold)
bryanD:

"I love it when BryanD goes off like that. It's so...literary..."---bobdog

That's funny. If you would have used "constipated" instead of "literary" it would have been funnier still and self-evident and you could have saved your example for a bigger audience someday were it fits a *little* bit better.

"BryanD, what you do not or will not recognize is that we authors/editors/hosts have both a right and a duty to maintain certain standards."---jay tea

Oh, here "We" go again. Surely your words are aimed past me to Kevin or your secret Martian overlord or whoever you're attempting to play the martyr for. Because I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Are you not getting enough respect at the call center? Have you been spending too much time in front of the mirror lately? WERE you fired from Contentions for malingering (as LeeWard intimates)? I don't know, but you don't seem happy. Physician, heal thyself!

And about your "standards". I've noticed your resorting IN YOUR POSTED COMPOSITIONS to the nouns "pigfucker" and "asshole" by the baker's dozen more and more and without the mitigating factor of humor. It's frankly bizarre. Stop doing that. You are dashing your prospects for a fellowship at the Hudson Institute someday!

"If you don't care for how we administer the site, you're welcome to leave. And stay away."--jay tea

It's my mission in life to insure you stay single. To do this I must drop in occasionally when you are having company with a un-quiet message to "call Biff ASAP" or he says "you two are finished!".
Yeah... that's the ticket!

Bobdog and Jay Tea, to whom... (Below threshold)

Bobdog and Jay Tea, to whom (what?) are you speaking?

McGehee, I don't think I wa... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

McGehee, I don't think I was obscure about it. I just thought that BryanD's comment was cringeworthy writing. Everybody gakks it once in a while.

The "Dark and Stormy Night" is a pretty famous writing contest to see who can produce the awfullest, most constipated writing imaginable. I think they still hold it every year. Go back and reread the paragraph I quoted.

I gotta side with Jay Tea on this one, but that wasn't the thrust of my comment.

Lee, what you fail to menti... (Below threshold)

Lee, what you fail to mention (a lie by omission) is our fundamentally differing philosophies.

You looked for any excuse you could find to ban someone.

I look for any excuse I can find to NOT ban someone.

You say that you "un-banned" me, then went back and found that I had broken your rules and reinstated my banning. The re-banning was not for anything I did after your "amnesty," but for things that occurred before it. And you only went digging for that evidence not after I broke the rules, but after I started humiliating you again.

On the other hand, here I am offering to lift BryanD's ban if he simply agrees to the very tolerant rules of the site. And despite your libeling me, I am not threatening you with banning or a lawsuit or anything.

Fundamentally, I don't like banning. I see it as an admission of failure. You reveled in it.

And that's why you're a pathetic, failed blogger who's skulked back to the scene of your defeat in the hopes of reclaiming some shred of victory and dignity (a hopeless cause).

J.

"You looked for any excu... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"You looked for any excuse you could find to ban someone."

Jay - you can't figure out what you're thinking half the time - having you suggest you know what I'm thinking is a joke.

I had plenty of what you call excuses to ban Jim and Oyster, but as reality shows they weren't banned. Just you and your little band of trolls - and only a few of you were banned for using sock puppets.

I see your pathological need to lie prevents you from admitting that you used sock puppets but the outings of your sock puppets are published and I'll be happy to trot them out as you repeat your lies on future posts.

You were fired from Contentions. You didn't even know you'd been dropped from the masthead - there's evidence of that as well. They dropped you - was it because you were using sock puppets there - or did they somehow find out you were using sock puppets on other blogs?

You say that you "un-banned" me, then went back and found that I had broken your rules and reinstated my banning. The re-banning was not for anything I did after your "amnesty," but for things that occurred before it. And you only went digging for that evidence not after I broke the rules, but after I started humiliating you again.

You're a legend in your own mind, Jay. But the reality is your a pathetic, childish man who obsesses over my every move, and have so little integrity that you will repeatedly lie because of it.

I see you still haven't checked with kevin to back up your claim that I banned at Wizbang Blue unfairly.

Of course not.

Maybe if you did what you normally do and threaten to quit if you don't get your way - maybe then he'll back you up.

But the facts are that not a single ban made by me was reversed by Kevin, and he had the right and my permission to un-ban anyone he thought was treated harshly and unfairly.

And I see you were recently caught using sock puppets on another blog.

You are a pathological liar, Jay Tea.

Jay Tea from Wizbang just sent me a long ranting diatribe, after I exposed him as trolling LGF under the name 'BunnyThief'. This guy is a flat out kook. I read the first sentence and filed it in the abuse folder.

Old habits die hard, right Jay Tea?

And how many of the comments on Wizbang are made by Jay Tea sock puppets? My guess is "many"....

Lee, Lee, Lee. What color i... (Below threshold)

Lee, Lee, Lee. What color is the sky in your world?

I published my "long, ranting diatribe" to Charles Johnson. It was barely "long," and neither ranting nor a diatribe.

I have on file my letter of resignation from Contentions, and its acceptance. Present proof, or drop it.

That you didn't ban EVERYONE who disagreed with you is not a sign of your tolerance, but your incompetence or laziness.

You keep callng me a "pathological liar," but have YET to show examples of my lying. It's getting tiresome yet again, you pathetic crapweasel.

I'd say "put up or shut up," but I know you won't do either -- even I were to threaten to ban you for libel. So for now, I tolerate you as simply being a magnificent testimony to the phenomenal asshattedness that is Lee Ward.

So, since you got fired from Blue and got the place shut down, have you found any other blogs willing to put up with your spittle-flecked rants?

J.

The so-called "trolls" on t... (Below threshold)

The so-called "trolls" on this site are frustrating to the rest of you because they're the only one's actually utilizing facts. Sorry, but actual facts matter - and you people don't use them. You use small pieces of them to suit your needs, but you never use the full truth.

Nobody takes you idiots seriously, anyway. I invariably use your site as an example of how pathetic the right-wing dead-enders are - and hold it up for ridicule to my audience. Everyone gets a good laugh.

And, unlike the conversations here, my audience rarely bans out of insecurity, which you people tend to do as well.

Here's a rumor I h... (Below threshold)
pgg:
Here's a rumor I heard: Lee Ward was fired from his only blogging gig after pictures emerged of him in an orgy with George Soros, Osama Bin Laden, Larry Sinclair, and a goat.

And underaged goat.

Not true, Lee? PROVE IT.

Until I see absolute, incontrovertible proof, I'm going to believe this rumor.

J.

I heard the same thing, but Excitable Andy was there too, the way I heard it.

WTF kind of narcissistic na... (Below threshold)
Son Of The Godfather:

WTF kind of narcissistic name is "VerbalPaintball"?
I mean seriously, wouldn't you have to provide the slightest hint that you could verbally splat someone with your wit before choosing a name like that?
You might want to check your paint hopper... or change your name to "canvas".




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