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Big Apple Boom Bust

The fallout from the failed bombing in Times Square continues. And it looks like the attempt has Epic Fail written all over it.

Authorities have an embarassment of riches when it comes to evidence. In addition to scads of videos from security cameras, they have the entire intact vehicle and bomb to play with. They've got enough stuff to keep every single crime procedural currently on TV busy for weeks. They've got all the bomb components, the vehicle itself, the plates (already traced to a Connecticut junkyard -- the dumbass owner scrapped his car, but forgot to take the plates and turn them back in to the state) -- all positively dripping with fingerprints, DNA samples, and records and documentation. It won't take much to trace nearly all of that through the chain of custody -- possibly right up to the bombers themselves.

Among the videos gathered so far is at least one that shows the would-be bomber. A white male in his 40's is seen leaving the scene, shedding his outer shirt, and looking back at the bomb vehicle. Now, despite the protestations of a lot of idiots, Islam is not a "race" (and therefore there's nothing "racist" about anti-Islamic attitudes). Muslims are of all races. No, the only group I can think of that's exonerated by this video is the New Black Panther Party, so they're free to set up armed guard posts outside polling places to remind Whitey that their day is coming.

There were initial reports that a branch of the Taliban had claimed responsibility for the would-be bombing, but those have since been discounted.

Of all the potential suspects so far, I'm still putting my money on radical Islamists. My main reason is the sheer randomness of the targeting.

If it was far-left radicals, like those I believe were behind the New Orleans beatdown that sent two young Republicans to the hospital with broken bones, it wouldn't have been planted in Times Square, but somewhere closer to Wall Street. And it would have been either during business hours, or more aimed at property damage.

If it was far-right radicals, it would have been placed outside ACORN's offices or a government building. And, as the right is generally more competent at violence than the left, it would have likely worked better.

No, this was not specifically targeted against any faction of American society or culture or government. This was aimed at Americans in general, in a place where the general populace gathers in utter disregard of politics. And that makes me think of those groups who hate Americans in general -- which excludes nearly every American radical group. Hell, even Bill Ayers' Weather Underground didn't bomb indiscriminately -- their biggest plan was to set off a nail bomb at a military dance, where about half the targets would have been members of the United States Army.

The only reason this case should not unfold with astonishing speed would be if the authorities decide to take it very slowly, very precisely, and to nail down every single detail in excruciating detail so as to make their case as airtight as possible. And so far, they aren't acting like that -- they've already released a great deal of information: the video of the suspect, the tracing of the license plate, and now news that the Nissan Pathfinder has been traced to an owner in the Tri-State area. (Probably stolen, like the license plate.)

This case is gonna bust wide open damned fast. And then it'll be very interesting to see how the Obama administration handles the matter. I'll wager that if they can't tie the would-be bombing to some right-wingers, and especially if it does turn out to be radical Islamists, they'll be very reluctant to call it "terrorism."


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I would have thought the Is... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I would have thought the Islamists could come up with something more sophisticated. This bomb looks like it was thrown together by Adam Sandler. I hope it does turn out to be Islamists. We can all rest a little easier.

For now, I'm going with some lone nutcase with an axe to grind.

The brain surgeons and rock... (Below threshold)

The brain surgeons and rocket scientists among the jihadis have all already gone boom, splat, or out of the movement by less extreme means.

Jay Tea,Regardless o... (Below threshold)
Adrian Browne:

Jay Tea,
Regardless of who is responsible, are you calling it "terrorism?"

Sudden jihad syndrome doesn... (Below threshold)
Jeff Medcalf:

Sudden jihad syndrome doesn't require training. The problem we're dealing with is an ideology that not merely condones, but idolizes, violence, and at the same time removes the need for hierarchy. As long as you're killing kuffar, you are righteous; it doesn't matter if it's bombs or knives or something else, or where you kill them, or when. That means that the center of gravity of the enemy is the ideology: as long as that is unchallenged, the enemy will be able to act, because we'll never be able to separate the Muslims who will never act against us from those who will: they don't even know themselves until a certain point. In that context, political correctness is literally killing Europeans, and will soon be literally killing us, because our inability to talk openly about the threat is preventing us from engaging, and eliminating, the threat, which is the ideology of radical Islamism.

I'll take my tin foil hat o... (Below threshold)
epador:

I'll take my tin foil hat off long enough to type this theory:

No cell phone trigger and no suicide bomber: no middle-eastern trained bomber
Middle aged white male: he didn't vote for Obama
Drove into an area with more security cameras than a bank: Doesn't watch NCIS
Location: NYC

Deduction: this was really an attempt at a low-level Mob protection shakedown of T-shirt street vendors.

AB, of course it's terroris... (Below threshold)
Burt:

AB, of course it's terrorism! It scared people, didn't it?

Adrian, I don't play bullsh... (Below threshold)

Adrian, I don't play bullshit games like the Obama regime does. It was attempted terrorism.

So was the Oklahoma City bombing.

So were the Weather Underground bombings.

So were the DC snipers.

So was the Fort Hood Massacre.

So were the numerous "Sudden Jihad Syndrome" incidents -- I really oughta do a roundup of those some time.

Maybe I can tie it into the always-warned-about but never-appearing "backlash against Muslims" we keep hearing about...

J.

Adrian, I'm thinking it's m... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Adrian, I'm thinking it's more like "violence requiring an in-country contingency operation"

Adrian firmly believes that... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Adrian firmly believes that his Obamassiah has completely stamped out "Terrorism", ergo, this cannot be a "terrorist incident". 'Man-caused disaster', maybe; but NOT a 'terrorist incident'.

"And that makes me think... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"And that makes me think of those groups who hate Americans in general..."

Or hate the black president so much they want his administration to look bad. That's even more plausible given the uprising of white supremacist groups recently -- and the fact that, uhm -- the guy is white.

It wasn't a suicide bomber - not the Muslim MO, but feel free to completely ignore that.

It's more along the lines of McVeigh - the white "terrorists" don't go in for the whole suicide martyr thing.

"It won't take much to trace nearly all of that through the chain of custody..."

"Chain of Custody" is a specific legal term that refers to the path and possessions of evidence AFTER it is in law enforcement's hands.

Tracing anything through the "chain of custody" won't lead backwards towards the perps - chain of custody begins with the time evidence is first discovered and is the path the evidence takes going forward through crime lab analysis, etc.

Hey - for a second it almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about Jay - nice Bullshit!

Wow, I take off the tin foi... (Below threshold)
epador:

Wow, I take off the tin foil hat and I can channel bD and lw in stereo.

Whoopee!

Could it be purely coincide... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Could it be purely coincidental that the bombing coincided with the violent, socialist, anti-American, May Day protests? That's at least as good a theory as Lee Ward's.

"Wow, I take off the tin... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Wow, I take off the tin foil hat and I can channel bD and lw in stereo."

Right. Put the tin foil hat *on* and you can channel Jay Tea and Shawn Mallow. Unfortunately, those two aren't "hi-fi"....

I too think May 1st, May Da... (Below threshold)
davidt:

I too think May 1st, May Day, Communist Day timing is significant.

Leave it to Lee to cry RACC... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Leave it to Lee to cry RACCCCCISSSST

Somebody tell Colleen LaRose, also known as "Jihad Jane," and Jamie Paulin-Ramirez they are white!

Lee: Riiiiight. Just becaus... (Below threshold)

Lee: Riiiiight. Just because almost all the suicide bombing attacks have been by Muslims, that doesn't mean that all attacks by Muslims have to be suicide bombings. Nobody blew themselves up in the first World Trade Center bombing, for example.

And the notion that it was radical right-wingers? Well, the bomb was placed in front of a theatre showing "The Lion King," and Obama is "The Lyin' King..."

But davidt brings up an interesting point. This did happen on May Day, so there's a point in favor of radical leftists.

Yes, you pedantic asswipe, "chain of custody" is a legal term. I used it here as shorthand to describe tracing the various components from manufacturer to retail outlets and, possibly, to the buyers. "Who had them when, and when did they change hands."

I also addressed the white suspect, and said specifically that all it did was exclude the Black Panthers. Probably Code Pink, as well -- they're predominantly female. And there are plenty of Caucasian Muslims -- including a lot of those home-grown terrorists we've had. Plus, they've been trying to recruit

Again, all speculation. I said my theory, and why I hold it. You have your own. If it turns out to have been Muslim terrorists, will you admit and apologize for your "lies" and "bullshit" in accusing right-wingers?

Rhetorical question, of course. You never admit error or acknowledge when you've reversed your position. Or do I have to bring up Larry Sinclair again?

In case you've conveniently forgotten, he was the nutjob who claimed to have had shared drugs and had sex with Obama. You gave him a ton of play over at Wizbang Blue while you were still backing Hillary. Once you signed on to Team Obama, though, he went right down the glory hole memory hole.

J.

Jay Tea, perhaps you should... (Below threshold)
Jake:

Jay Tea, perhaps you should read Rick's post about Obama's rush to judgement. According to him, opinions like yours (that despite a lack of evidence and actually evidence to the contrary, you're going to assume the bombing was the work of radical muslims) are a bad thing.

Man, do you guys really never compare notes??

And you got through nearly an entire post that didn't include a dig at Obama. So close! Better luck next time.

I really wish you guys would just get to it and rename this site ihateobama.com

Heaven forbid Jake, that no... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Heaven forbid Jake, that not all sites are intellectual circle jerks. Like the DU or Kos... Or the New York Times

"Yes, you pedantic asswi... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"Yes, you pedantic asswipe, "chain of custody" is a legal term. I used it here as shorthand to describe tracing the various components from manufacturer to retail outlets and, possibly, to the buyers. "Who had them when, and when did they change hands." "

Shorthand? Thanks for admitting that you're not only stupid, but you're lazy as well. But it's not shorthand if you're use doesn't fit the definition. You could call it "bumblebee" and it would be just a irrelevant (and wrong).

"I used it here as shorthand to describe tracing the various components from manufacturer to retail outlets and, possibly, to the buyers."

Yeah - that's an incorrect usage, shorthand or not.

And pointing this out to you - giving you the opportunity to look it up and correct yourself, and watching you flail about instead just proves the old adage...

"You Can lead a Jackass to Knowledge but You Can't Make Him Think"

No, Jay - "chain of custody" has nothing to do with investigating evidence and it's origins and properties before the crime. You don't know what you're talking about -- Again.

Here, Jay - not too many big words..."legal definition of chain of custody"...

The movement and location of physical evidence from the time it is obtained until the time it is presented in court.

Just like I said up above. Chain of Custody has nothing to do with the origins and travels of evidence prior to the crime. It has nothing to do with "tracing the various components from manufacturer to retail outlets and, possibly, to the buyers."

Your inherent dishonesty and pathological need to lie prevents you from admitting when you're wrong, Jay. BE CAREFUL -- Your opponents might take advantage of that weakness in you and try to get you to repeat your dishonesty and put it on display over and over again.

Ooops! Too late!

Sigh... I guess I should be... (Below threshold)

Sigh... I guess I should be glad Lee fixated on "chain of custody" -- when he obsesses on something this meaningless, it's an admission he's got nothing else.

In a legal sense, "chain of custody" refers to documenting precisely who had a certain item, carefully noting of when it changed hands and into whose hands it passed.

In this context, as everyone else seemed to grasp, I used the phrase to mean "follow the documents from the manufacturer through every step possible to try to determine who had it at the time it was used in the bomb."

For example, the propane tanks. Who made it? When was it sold to at each step until it reached the general public? Is there any way to find out who bought it, and when? In other words, what was the "chain of custody" of the tank?

I thought about using "paper trail," but that lacked the full implications of a legal investigation that would, hopefully, hold up in court.

To say you're "grasping at straws" here, Lee, would be to insult straws. You're working yourself into another full-blown spittle-flecked meltdown.

Good thing your hysteria is at least entertaining to watch...

J.

Looks like you were right, ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Looks like you were right, Jay. Fox News is reporting a person of interest is a naturalized citizen just returned from Pakistan and that international ties to this event are likely.

I can always tell when Lee ... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

I can always tell when Lee thinks he's losing the argument. He starts up the personal attacks and gets really offensive in his posts.

I've noticed that Lee has been very offensive today...

I have noticed when engagin... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

I have noticed when engaging leftists that they often resort to hyperliteralism to score cheap points. They always exempt themselves, of course.

Its also not much fun chann... (Below threshold)
epador:

Its also not much fun channelling LW and bD, though bD is a lot less offensive... ...I gotta buy some more tin foil and line my room with copper mesh.

epador, if you need a tax w... (Below threshold)

epador, if you need a tax writeoff, simply call all that aluminum and copper as "safety equipment." After all, we all know that fire can't melt metals like copper, aluminum, steel...

J.




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