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It's been four days since May 5, and I'm still angry.

"Cinco De Mayo," the annual quasi-bacchanalia of Mexican-American pride, had some extra connotations this year. Quite a few celebrants crossed the line from pride to supremacy, and there was some blowback.

In California, a few students decided that they'd show their pride in their heritage by wearing American flag apparel to school on that day. The school's administration soon put an end to that nonsense -- they were sent home for their "disrespectful" attire.

That got me angry, and when I get angry in cases like this, I get reading -- and writing.

First up, there are almost no circumstances where a student should be disciplined for wearing an American flag. Sure, if the school has a uniform requirement or a dress code that forbids the apparel in question regardless of the flag aspect, then that's one thing -- it's not the flag being singled out here. But banning the presence of the flag itself? No way.

In some places, the Mexican flag was raised to honor the holiday. Again, fine. But proper flag etiquette demands that no flag ever be raised higher than the American flag, or in its place, on American soil.

Then I started digging (OK, not very deeply) into the whole "Cinco De Mayo" thing. And I learned quite a bit about the holiday.

First up, it's really not that big a deal in Mexico. It's not their Independence Day -- that's September 16. It commemorates victory at the Battle Of Puebla, so it's the equivalent of Bunker Hill Day here in the US.

And what was the Batle of Puebla? It was a Mexican victory over France in the middle of a long string of defeats that would have ended with Mexico losing, had not the United States offered a hand.

And really -- the FRENCH? They're proud of beating the French? That's a pretty low standard right there...

What really got me steamed, though, was the massive student walkout on Thursday. 200 Mexican-American students protested, demanding that the offending students who had dared wear American flags to an American school on American soil be disciplined further (just being sent home for the day wasn't enough to satisfy their wounded pride).

Bullshit.

We don't see this kind of reaction on St. Patrick's Day or Columbus Day (two other holidays tied to ethnic groups here in the US that get short shrift in the homeland). No, it's only on May 5th that it happens.

And that's simply unacceptable.

As I said up front, pride is not only acceptable, but commendable. However, there is a line between "pride" and "supremacy," and the reactions this last week showed us that a lot of people have crossed that line. By showing that they would not tolerate any other group asserting their own identity and pride on "their" day, they showed that their demands for "respect" are strictly a one-way street and they have no intention of showing any.

The 200 students who were "offended" and "insulted" by American citizens wearing their nation's ensign to the point where they walked out of school are the ones who should be disciplined. The administration should have simply locked the doors behind them and told them to come back when they're ready to acknowledge that non-Mexican Americans have rights, too.

At times like this, I start to worry that I sound a bit too much like Pat Buchanan and the "America First" crowd. But then I remember that the best lies have a grain of truth in them, it's simply impossible for a human being to be wrong 100% of the time (Joe Biden being a possible exception), and anyone who doesn't rankle at the thoughts of American citizens being told that wearing an American flag is "provocative" and "disrespectful" and "inappropriate" needs a serious attitude adjustment.


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200 Mexican-Americ... (Below threshold)
Stan:
200 Mexican-American students protested, demanding that the offending students who had dared wear American flags to an American school on American soil be disciplined further (just being sent home for the day wasn't enough to satisfy their wounded pride).

Every one of those 200 students' parent are here illegally too. They are sponging off the working person who pays the taxes to support the lifestyle the illegals think that they are entitled to. The system should have rounded the students and their parents and given them a one way ticket back to Mexico on the illegals' dime not ours.

The schools liberal adminis... (Below threshold)
914:

The schools liberal administration should be sent to Mehico as well with a big boot to the backside and do not come back ever traitors.

Recently on a rerun of "Who... (Below threshold)

Recently on a rerun of "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" Drew Carey tossed off:

"The points don't matter, just like the Los Angeles public school system."

The crowd's reaction caused him to add, "Apparently a lot of the people here tonight are products of the Los Angeles public school system."

Those reruns are several years old, but some things don't really change.

Out of a nauseating sense o... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Out of a nauseating sense of fairness, I propose that the American flag be banned on St. Pattie's Day, Columbus Day, Fat Tuesday, the 4th of July, Memorial Day, Winter Festival Day, Guy Fawkes Day, Saint Swithen's Day and Election Day be added to the No Fly List. Zero Tolerance, of course. Tasers authorized.

I suppose I'll be overruled by some dumb-assed school board somewhere, but I still have a problem with Ramadan.

The 5th of May has turned i... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

The 5th of May has turned into nothing more than an illegal Mexican alien day in the states. An excuse to ask for more and create havoc & chaos rather than assimilation.

Just compare the illegal immigrants of today to those who went through Ellis Island or even the ones that go through the process legally.

It's a sad thing when we cannot even enforce the laws the books without be called racist by the open borders crowd, yet Mexico's own laws are even more stringent and are enforced without a peep from the MFM.

Surely I'm not the only one... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Surely I'm not the only one who believes that it was the administrator's actions that heightened tensions and made things worse. The holiday quickly evolves from a "celebration of Mexican heritage" to an opportunity to trash American culture. The administrators actively encouraged it.

The students just demostrat... (Below threshold)
pvd:

The students just demostrated why the current education system needs to be blown up and re-built, this time around individual responsibility and accomplishment rather than group-think resentment and identification.

Not going to happen, of course - accomplished, self-aware, thinking individuals are the bane of the democratic party.

Were those 200 "offended st... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Were those 200 "offended students" OFFENDED by the fact that an AMERICAN flag was raised over the school that morning? Were those 200 "offended students" OFFENDED that the Pledge of Allegiance was recited that morning?

Their sense of OFFENSE seems rather warped.

Mexico was welshing on it's... (Below threshold)
recovered liberal democrat:

Mexico was welshing on it's debt to France and they came for payment. Gee, kinda sounds like..TODAY. I was talking to a young Mexican that works for me, I like to say with me though. His family came legally and he was born here. He does not like the illegal movement and hates the stereo typing of Mexican-Americans. I told him about the farm labor movement started by Caesar Chavez and told him that C.Chavez did not support illegal immigration at all either. His eyes got real big and I told him to look it up.
I do hope the La Raza people in the White House keep telling Obamala to keep up the "reconquista". It will make for a very good November. Sorta of an early Christmas present to the country. "!Hora le!"

Like any celebration, it is... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Like any celebration, it is what aspects you concentrate that matters. We celebrated Cinco De Mayo with a few beers and toast to several of the patrons Mexican ancestry. However no one talked down the U.S. and it wouldn't have been tolerated.

Unfortunately many will use any celebration to concentrate on negative aspects instead of positive. IMO most do it because they want to be confrontational. It is like the states that celebrate their Confederate heritage. The ones that celebrate it celebrate the positive aspects of the Confederacy not the negative ones like slavery. However there are people who insist on being intolerant and try to make the celebration into something it is not.

Unfortunately the ones that seem to get there way are those who threaten and use violence. South Park and Mohammed deal is a prime example.

I still think the best resp... (Below threshold)
Timmer:

I still think the best response to their walking out on the 6th would be to point and laugh. The entire thing is ridiculous, from almost every point of view. Including how offensive you're being to mothers everywhere by posting this on THEIR day. Racist, sexist, masogynist bastard. (/heavy sarcasm)

I keep imagining the reacti... (Below threshold)
Eric:

I keep imagining the reaction of these administrators if the politics of the case were reversed.

If the five students were wearing Rainbow flags instead of American flags, does anyone believe that the administrators would have acted the same way?

If another student claimed to be offended by the Rainbow flag, would the administrators have asked the gay students to change their clothes? Or would the administrators lecture the other students on tolerance and diversity?

First up, there ar... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:
First up, there are almost no circumstances where a student should be disciplined for wearing an American flag. Sure, if the school has a uniform requirement or a dress code that forbids the apparel in question regardless of the flag aspect, then that's one thing -- it's not the flag being singled out here. But banning the presence of the flag itself? No way.

That isn't what happened. The flag attire wasn't banned. The racist behaviour was disciplined.

"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

Did these youths wear this attire normallly?
No.

This wasn't about showing their patriotism - it wasn't a day that anyone else would have worn an American flag.

These boys were taunting authority and, in effect, staging a protest against Cinco de Mayo - they were out to cause trouble.

Lying about it and claiming that flag attire was banned is just bullshit - we've come to expect that from you, Jay -- but why not include a quote from the school administrators about why they did what they did?

I guess reality just gets in the way of the Tebaggers message again?

From TexBob above:

The 5th of May has turned into nothing more than an illegal Mexican alien day in the states. An excuse to ask for more and create havoc & chaos rather than assimilation.

That's the same redneck view that caused the students in San Jose to wear their American flags on May 5. It's a "let's kick up some shit" attitude and the school administrators did the right thing by saying no to racism.

Flag attire wasn't banned. That's another of Jay's lies.

But banning the presence of the flag itself? No way.

The flag wasn't banned. That's a lie.

Ah, Lee. I've been waiting ... (Below threshold)

Ah, Lee. I've been waiting for you. I knew you'd have to go for the daily double -- a chance to call people racists AND liars at once.

Somehow I'm not surprised that you would agree with the administration that there are times of the year when it is simply not tolerable to demonstrate pride in being American.

Nobody denies that it was done as a response to the Cinco De Mayo observance -- as I noted. It was a response to the Mexican supremacy attitude that has developed around the date, which is also tied into the Reconquista movement and the racists of La Raza and their ilk.

The school had no problems with the celebration going far beyond simple pride in heritage. It had a problem with a small group of students explicitly rejecting the message of Cinco De Mayo being pushed, and yielded to mob rule.

The message I got from the flag shirts was "I'm not celebrating any Mexican-American heritage, I have no use for reconquista racist separatists and Mexican supremacists, and I am just as proud of my nation on May 5th as I am every other day of the year."

You, on the other hand, are apparently terrified of the five bullies who so brutally intimidated the couple hundred other students who walked out and demanded they be punished for the unforgivable sin of being proud Americans on a day they should have been properly ashamed of it.

J.

Next year I'm seriously con... (Below threshold)
Jeff Medcalf:

Next year I'm seriously considering wearing a French flag on 5 May.

It would have been a very i... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

It would have been a very interesting exercise indeed to take aside each of these 200 protesting students individually and learn if they really knew what event Cincom de Mayo commemorates.

Lee Ward says,
"That isn't what happened. The flag attire wasn't banned. The racist behaviour was disciplined."
Seriously, you are the most amazing example of a poster child for the derangement known as liberalism. First, maybe the flag attire was not banned in general, but the flag attire was banned specifically on one day. The principal's behavior confirms that with no doubt. What's even more unfortunate is that the principal did not mention ahead of time that flag attire would not be appreciated on Cinco de Mayo. The boys did not break a rule. Second, folks like you place the term racist in this context hoping the label is sticky enough to justify an otherwise specious decision. The survival of liberalism depends upon this very thing -applying labels, hoping to confer guilt, sin against the State's dogmas on political correctness, etc.

For all of those who don't ... (Below threshold)
Stan:

For all of those who don't know American History, Lee Ward in particular. The American Southwest was bought from the Mexican Government after the American-Mexican War in 1848 under the provisions of what was called Gadsden Purchase.

It was a perfect setup. By the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, signed February 2, 1848, at the close of the Mexican War, the Republic of Mexico was compelled to abandon its claim to Texas and to cede to the United States the territory now comprising most of New Mexico, Arizona, California, Colorado, Utah and Nevada. The territory ceded to the United States by Mexico constituted about 200,000 square miles or two-fifths of all her territory
http://www.progress.org/gads.htm

Basically this is the area where Mexico and the United States fought over. Hell after the war with Mexico, we could have taken over the shebang and Mexico would have been part of the United States now

I don't care if those kids ... (Below threshold)
78vette:

I don't care if those kids wear the American flag 365 days of the year. This is the USA, it is our flag, and no apologies to any group of students who supposedly were offended are necessary. That's the trouble with this particular group. I'm Irish-American, but I'm an American first and foremost. My grandfather was from Ireland, but he was naturalized legally, learned the language, didn't ask for everything to be printed in Gaelic so he could understand it, etc. Those who walked out of school to demonstrate on 5/6 waving a flag of a foreign country are the ones who should have been suspended. Enough is enough America. Stand up for our country or lose it!

"First, maybe the flag a... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"First, maybe the flag attire was not banned in general, but the flag attire was banned specifically on one day. "

No, the youths who were wearing their flag attire in protest of Cinco de Mayo were discplined.

You're entitled to your opinion that what the school administrators were wrong -- but you and Jay can't just make up facts.

On Thursday, May 6, about 50 students, many carrying the Mexican flag, walked out of classes. The students told reporters that they thought it was disrespectful for the students to wear the American flag on their shirts while others were celebrating Cinco de Mayo.

The school's principal claimed the students wearing the flag was a safety issue because it could spark fights between students.

No flag attire was banned. I'm sure there have been other days before and since where students wore flag attire and it wasn't an issue.

Saying that flag attire was banned at the school is a lie.

How does someone like Lee b... (Below threshold)
Michael:

How does someone like Lee be so consistantly stupid? Was he educated in L.A.?

From Lee's own quote:... (Below threshold)

From Lee's own quote:

On May 5, students were sent home for displaying the American flag.

On May 6, students were allowed to carry the Mexican flag.

In both cases, it was a political statement.

In only one of the cases did the administration take any action.

Here's a deal, Lee -- how about we "tolerate" the Mexican flag on May 5, and ban it the other 364 days?

J.

It is REFRESHING to read su... (Below threshold)
codekeyguy:

It is REFRESHING to read such a well thought piece such as was penned by Lee "the patriot" Ward. I look forward to his insightful commentary on the important issues of the day. When "Blue" was terminated, I thought I would lose Lee's powerful rhetoric, but he is "risen" again, and still "shines" over us!!!

Effective immediately, the ... (Below threshold)

Effective immediately, the highest insult I plan to use in any thread here at Wizbang, is "Lee Ward." Example:

Anyone who can say with a straight face that there is any day of the year during which wearing a t-shirt with the U.S. flag depicted on it, in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, is a racist act, is Lee Ward.
Hey!I think now is... (Below threshold)
wtfo:

Hey!

I think now is a great time to point out that one of the officially sanctioned student groups at the high school in question is..

wait for it...

MEChA.

This is going to get good. Git yer popcorn now.

Since Lee sees a racist in ... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Since Lee sees a racist in the mirror every morning, I guess it is not surprising that he should start imagining them everywhere.

Jay Tea: Tell me once again... (Below threshold)

Jay Tea: Tell me once again what "La Raza" means?
Melting pot? Assimilation?? Brotherly Love??? (No, that's Philadelphia!)

After all this, I told my h... (Below threshold)
Nancy:

After all this, I told my husband that I am making sure all members of my family have American Flag t-shirts to wear for next year's Cinco de Mayo celebration. i can't wait. Come on, America. Let's not just roll over and go back to sleep! Stand up for yourselves!

Cinco de Mayo is to Corona ... (Below threshold)

Cinco de Mayo is to Corona and Dos Equis what Mother's Day is for Hallmark.

@Lee Ward"This was... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

@Lee Ward

"This wasn't about showing their patriotism - it wasn't a day that anyone else would have worn an American flag.

"These boys were taunting authority and, in effect, staging a protest against Cinco de Mayo - they were out to cause trouble."

And you know this how, Lee? Who says "anyone else would not have worn an American flag"? You? As far as most folks are concerned, people are allowed to display a flag or wear an American flag T-Shirt any damned time they want, as long as they don't defile it by showing it upside down or with a vulgar political message, as pencil-neck liberals have a long history of doing. Don't try and tell me that we should ever be ashamed of patriotism, trendy though it might be among the left.

Were they taunting authority? They were out to cause trouble? You know this how, exactly? Or are you assuming motives, again?

it wasn't a day... (Below threshold)
it wasn't a day that anyone else would have worn an American flag.
That is a steaming pile of Lee Ward.
Since Lee Ward relishes FAC... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Since Lee Ward relishes FACTS:

The school's principal claimed the students wearing the flag was a safety issue because it could spark fights between students.

WHERE are the FACTS Lee? Did ANYONE make any statement that there would be violence? Had there been any violence?

Let's look in the mirror Lee. See any INTOLERANCE there?

Your whole scree is BULLSHIT, Lee. Once again.

Lee Ward is a racist who dr... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Lee Ward is a racist who drips with hatred towards patriotic law abiding white American males from Southwestern states.

How do you sleep at night Lee?

You know it will only get worse, especially after November.

Lee, according to you the s... (Below threshold)
Jim:

Lee, according to you the students were wearing their flag attire as a protest. So, do administrators now have check students for malicious intent if they see them in flag based attire? What a moronic premise.

Must an administrator make sure that my reds shirt, white socks and blue jeans are now not worn with the intent to strike a blow against the perception of others? The premise you have put forth is that of a man on a mission to show just how much liberal dipstickery he can unleash rather than logically and honestly discuss the topic at hand.

when the Assistant Principa... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

when the Assistant Principal approached the boys DARING to wear the American flag they were sitting a table eating their lunch.

Apparently they were chewing provacatively.

I guess Lee Ward(of the court) figures students at Live Oak should wake up day, research what significance the date might have and dress so as not to upset any culture.

Of course, when President Obama's BEST FUCKING FRIEND, William Ayers, has a photo-shoot of himself trampling the American flag in a dirty alley, Lee Ward(of the court) thinks THAT is fine!

This is AMERICA. If you are offended by our flag then get the hell out. Or let me know you're unhappy about it and I'll escort your ass out.

Of course, when Presiden... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Of course, when President Obama's BEST FUCKING FRIEND, William Ayers, has a photo-shoot of himself trampling the American flag in a dirty alley, Lee Ward(of the court) thinks THAT is fine!

So true. The cowardly terrorist, Billy Ayers, author of Obama's books, had to do that in a back alley, as he would have gotten his ass kicked if tried to do it in public on Michigan Avenue.

I am the wife of a first ge... (Below threshold)

I am the wife of a first generation American. My husbands parents legally immigrated to the United States in the late 1960's. Once here, my father in law worked hard and found a man who came to the house and taught his family English. It was very hard for my mother in law and father in law...compared to the kids. The kids picked up English and then helped my in laws.

They were born in Mexico, but chose to become Americans. That is the difference in my mind. They came here not because it would be easy, but because the effort they put in would result in achieving the dreams they desired.

When we see behavior like this in the US it is so grieving. America is still a lampstand for many world wide...ONLY here where we molly coddle cultural separation, does this happen.

My in laws will never forget the place of their birth. They will never forget their native tongue, but they also never forget that this nation, offered the world and then some to not only my husband, but his six other siblings. All but one have worked their way through college, all have married and there are 18 grandchildren, 4 great grandchildren...and all are Americans.

The legacy of those who legally immigrate is appreciated far more than those who slip in under the cover of darkness. I am ashamed for our nation as we fund these schools that spit on what my in laws gave to my husband his siblings and now even to my children.

Just a note, one son(my husband) and two grandchildren(my son in Afghanistan is one) have or are serving under the American flag that caused such angst...for a bunch of ingrateful people who have no idea what any flag stands for, let alone, the American flag.
Jennifer

Ward, why did the principal... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Ward, why did the principal tell the boys to turn the shirts inside out if there was not the wish to ban the showing of the flag. You were an idiot when I first heard of you. You were an idiot when you ran Wizbang Blue into the ground and you still are. Go tea bag yourself.

Jennifer, proud to have you... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Jennifer, proud to have you with us.

Careful, Lee - you're letti... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Careful, Lee - you're letting down your cover again, and your hatred of America and all things traditionally American is becoming clear to all.

I've nothing against immigrants and their descendants celebrating their country/culture of origin, especially on days where such celebrations are traditionally observed. It must be emphasized, though, for the ignorant among us (for example, California public school administrators), that when the Irish, Italians, or Mexicans put on their street parties, they aren't really missing the sh*thole countries they came from, else they'd go back there.

Go back far enough and we ALL came from some other sh*thole country - including the savages who got here first. The strength and attraction of America is that it gives everyone a chance for freedom and a new life - but they have to buy into that. It's fine to spend one day per year remembering where your people came from over an adult libation, but if you intend to keep your old culture, you're not joining the team, and you won't get full benefits.

Sorry, but that's the way it is. Even the Irish eventually made an effort to speak English intelligibly. Right about the time they began to join the culture.

The American's lost the bat... (Below threshold)
Just John:

The American's lost the battle of Bunker Hill,so that's not the best analogy.

Yes, but they understood th... (Below threshold)
bobdog:

Yes, but they understood the apostrophe, John.

I know, John, but it's the ... (Below threshold)

I know, John, but it's the only battle I know that has a holiday -- Bunker Hill Day is a state holiday in Massachusetts.

I thought about citing V-E or V-J day, but those were ends of wars -- like Veterans' Day originally was.

J.

These boys were ta... (Below threshold)
Eric:
These boys were taunting authority and, in effect, staging a protest against Cinco de Mayo - they were out to cause trouble.

Lee I won't disagree with you that the boys were wearing the flag as a protest. But so what? There was a saying a couple years ago that was all the rage among the Left, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."

Let me give you another saying that used to be all the rage once upon a time, "Freedom of Speech never takes a holiday."

If this was indeed a protest then they were exercising their freedom of speech. The administrators weren't concerned that the boys would start violence, they were concerned that the Mexican students would start the violence.

Think about that. As I said in post #6 imagine that these were gay students wearing the Rainbow flag. Would you feel the same way?

Lee only likes free speech ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Lee only likes free speech when he agrees with it. Get a [program, people

Things Lee doesn't care abo... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Things Lee doesn't care about when arguing this issue:
1) The history surrounding Cinco de Mayo
2) The fact that the holiday means little to those actually living in Mexico and it's effectively an American holiday
3) If wearing American flag clothing is disrespectful on May 5th, then it must be disrespectful on St. Paddy's day and numerous other holidays borne from other cultures and nations
4) That these are the same people (the 200 walk-outs and the school administrators who sided with them) who would demand that they not be forced to comply with rules that infringe on their free speech, but would impose those rules on others' speech.

There is no law anywhere in this country that dictates what is "respectful". None. Nada. Zilch. If there were, Lee would have broken every single one in just the last week.

Lee Ward is full of it. He ... (Below threshold)
Madalyn:

Lee Ward is full of it. He is the racist. We need to send all the illegals back home. Clean house and start right now. Send Lee with them. He appears to sympathize with the enemy.
Madalyn

I think Lee Ward's right ab... (Below threshold)
James H:

I think Lee Ward's right about one thing. The kids wearing the American flag apparel clearly wanted to cause trouble. The apparel was clearly designed to evoke a reaction from Hispanic students and from the school administrators.

And lo and behold, these kids got the attention they wanted!

The administration sending the kids home. Hispanic students walking out of school to protest the shirts. Blogs and national media outlets pointing the spotlight at these kids.

Let's face it. They did this to get attention, and everybody who's going overboard here is giving the kids exactly what they wanted.

Seems to me there are a zillion better responses to this -- ways to deny these kids exactly what they want:

1) I've always favored an eye-roll at attention-seeking behavior. "Yes, you're a protester, you're very proud, that's very nice."

2) If you're Hispanic, why not greet one of these kids with a big smile, a hug, and "Buenos dias, me hermano Americano!!"

And so forth.

All of this said, the kids clearly had the constitutional right to wear their American flag apparel, and to wear it proudly. The seminal case on this matter, Tinker v. Des Moines, is extremely clear on this point.

Let me add one more thing:<... (Below threshold)
James H:

Let me add one more thing:

Wearing an American flag shirt on a day dedicated to Mexican heritage is clearly provocative, but I don't see that it interferes with the educational process. Yes, such behavior could potentially lead to arguments in the hallways, but, well, that's how political discourse works ... and is a lesson in itself.

Such apparel could lead to fights. Of course it can. But so can looking funny at another guy's girlfriend. If there's a fight, you discipline the students involved because they were fighting, not because of flag apparel.

And the same goes the other way. If a Mexican-American kid is at summer school on the Fourth of July and wants to wear stylized patriotic Mexican apparel, let him. And if he gets into a fight with a patriotic American kid ... then discipline whoever's responsible for/involved in the fight.

Fact is, teenagers in public schools do have limited constitutional rights despite their immaturity and their presence in a public-school setting. If the First Amendment protects the expression of "correct" political views, for example, the right of students to protest the Vietnam War by wearing black armbands, then by corollary it also protects the expression of "incorrect" political views ... by, for example, wearing an American flag.

Lee is so far to the Left t... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Lee is so far to the Left that he would rather be wrong than right.

The kids wearin... (Below threshold)
The kids wearing the American flag apparel clearly wanted to cause trouble.

Now, why would anyone think that wearing an American flag on the fifth of May would cause trouble? James, are you implying that high-school students of Mexican acestry are unusually prone to violence?

James I think you're a tad ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

James I think you're a tad harsh in saying they were "looking for trouble". I don't think they were looking for violence, a 200 student walk-out or national media attention.

"Seems to me there are a zillion better responses to this -- ways to deny these kids exactly what they want:"

'Zactly! The school administrators acted stupidly. I expect this sort of thing from kids, but not the actions taken by the administrators. That was the real tragedy here. Epic fail.

The vice-principal should b... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

The vice-principal should be fired.

He told the kids to "turn their shirts inside out" - disrespecting the American Flag.

A couple of the kids ARE of hispanic descent, and AMERICANs. This tells me that they are proud of THEIR country. I wonder how many of the 200 students carrying the Mexican flag are Americans and how many are illegal immigrants? If they are so proud of THEIR country, why don't they live there?

The flag attire was banned FOR THAT, DAY AFTER THE FACT, by the vice prinicpal Miguel Rodriguez. The next day was 6 May, not cinco de mayo, yet 200 students carrying the Mexican flag were not told to fly it upside down, or it would offend "sensitive Americans" and they damn sure were not sent home. Yes, I do detect some racism here.

Many, many Mexican national join the United States military each year in order to become US Citizens. That is they put themselves in harm's way, risking their very lives (and some of them do make that final sacrifice) to become Americans. My first question would be "How many "born" Americans would voluntarily make that committment?" How about you Lee, you POS? Did you?

Three of my boys served in the middle east (one is getting ready for his 4th deployment). One of them discharged for injuries received. My grandson served 3 tours in Iraq (including the battle of Falujah) as a USMC sniper. One of my brothers-in-law was killed in Vietnam, the other two served in Vietnam (as did I), and two of us are disabled.

I guess this is just a raaaacist rant. Oh wait, I forgot to mention my wife is MexicanAmerican (yes a citizen of the US). She spoke very little English until she started school. She eventually became a nurse and worked at several major trauma centers in the southwest. Yeah, I'm a racist. Tell that to my two best friends in Vietnam. Oh, wait you can't. My HOPI friend died of PTSD, and my PUERTO RICAN friend, serving to become a US Citizen, took an RPG round in the face.

I also served with gay soldiers, both male and female, and with only a couple of exceptions, they were among the finest soldiers and I would serve next to them in a second.

So you see Lee, you POS, you dont have a fkn clue what you are talking about. Just who do you think you are defending - about anything? I read part of your bullshit and wonder can anyone be that naive/stupid? Go back to your bedroom until mommy calls you for lunch, think about leaving home and experiencing reality and........STFU

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James H:
James, are you implying that high-school students of Mexican acestry are unusually prone to violence?

McGehee, looking back at my own years, and considering much of what I read every year, I have concluded the entire population of high-school students is unusually prone to stupidity.

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Babyface:

The 200 students who were "offended" and "insulted" by American citizens wearing their nation's ensign to the point where they walked out of school are the ones who should be disciplined. The administration should have simply locked the doors behind them and told them to come back when they're ready to acknowledge that non-Mexican Americans have rights, too.


That will never happen; it would mean school bureaucrats would have to exercise common sense.

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Constitution First:

This bullshit has gone on long enough. If Mexicans can't assimilate, they reconsider why they are here in the first place, and leave.

Like almost every other American, my ancestry is from somewhere else in this case France. Back in 1672, my ancestors married Blackfoot & Iroquois. They assimilated to the Inuit life, and so it went for the next 300 years. Anyways assimilating to the culture you move TO.

It is our fault for not putting our foot down, ASSIMILATE or LEAVE

Guess I'll MAKE SURE to wea... (Below threshold)

Guess I'll MAKE SURE to wear an American Flag on May 5th from now on; up to this point I hadn't had any particular schedule or anything but from now on I do.




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