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She sounds so sweet, so casual... but listen to her words

This I find to be alarming... note the nonchalance, note the matter-of-factness, note how innocently evil escapes this young woman's lips:

That coming our way via David Swindle who provides all the context you might need to understand what you've just heard. It's truly incredible.

More incredible are those who gloss over this woman's words... who minimize this woman's ideology... who are silent as to the evil she embraces fully while in the same breath finding members of the Tea Party to be anathema.

Bookworm points us to this related Dennis Prager piece that makes the point far more effectively and cogently than I ever could:

A defining characteristic of the Left is its inability to identify -- and therefore confront -- evil: from Jesse Jackson's and Dennis Kucinich's expressions of support for Venezuela's Hugo Chávez, to decades of leftists' praising Fidel Castro, to the mainstream media's denial of moral culpability for the arsonists, murderers, and rioters in Los Angeles after the Rodney King verdict ("Understanding the Rage" was the title of the Los Angeles Times's daily special section devoted to the riots), to the universal liberal outrage at Pres. Ronald Reagan's characterization of the Soviet Union as an "evil empire," to the Left's virtually unanimous hostility to Israel.

The Left's inability to identify the religious beliefs of Islamic terrorists, its insistence on instead ascribing their murders to terrorists' psychological tensions and economic problems, and its simultaneous certainty that conservative white Americans have only the most vile motives -- these are all expressions of the Left's failure to recognize and confront real evil.

Just remember this: If Faisal Shahzad had not been identified as the would-be bomber, the mainstream (i.e., liberal) news media and leading Democrats would have told us repeatedly that a white male -- surely a conservative white male -- was the Times Square terrorist, and that we should therefore be looking suspiciously at our fellow Americans on the right, especially those attending tea parties. For while liberals claim not to know the motives of Muslim terrorists, they are always certain of conservatives' motives: racism, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia.

When, one day, the Left exits from history's stage, its epitaph will read: "Those who do not understand evil will not understand good."

Bookie closes with her own words of wisdom:

Our conservative baselines are justice and maximum freedom, with respect for life as an important subset of those values.  Sometimes we understand that, as in the case of just wars aimed at expanding or protecting freedoms, innocent lives will be lost -- and that's a price we recognize we must pay for the greater good.

Progressives, however, a more Orwellian baseline applies:  All people are equal, except those classified as PC victims, are more equal than others.  Freedom, justice and respect for life all pay homage to a hierarchical world view that organizes people by victim classifications.  Once classified, the rule of thumb is that someone who is in a victim class cannot be considered evil when s/he turns on someone in an oppressor class.  And that's it.  There are no abstract values.  It's just a bizarre spreadsheet of relative victimhood.

As each day passes, as I see more and more evidence for the idiocy being embraced, I'm having a tough time convincing myself that liberalism/statism/progressivism/marxism is anything but wicked.

A very tough time.

Crossposted at Brutally Honest.


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The Left's inabili... (Below threshold)
Stan:
The Left's inability to identify the religious beliefs of Islamic terrorists, its insistence on instead ascribing their murders to terrorists' psychological tensions and economic problems, and its simultaneous certainty that conservative white Americans have only the most vile motives -- these are all expressions of the Left's failure to recognize and confront real evil.

The left's belief that all of the terrorists are poor depressed people is a major illusion in itself. It has been proven that all of the terrorists that have been captured or killed, are very wealthy or scions of wealthy and influential members of the Arabic hierarchy. Some are the sons of high government officials that have steeped in hatred of the West and what it stands for, since the day of their births.

Just like the lefts' idolization of Josef Stalin and Mao and now Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, they can't believe that the ideology of communism is flawed and has been flawed since its inception back in the 1600s. The Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock proved that. It wasn't until they started to base their economy on the free market system that they began to prosper and make a success of the colony.

Seems like only 60 or so ye... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Seems like only 60 or so years ago we were faced with people embracing the same stupidity. Wonder if it will have the same ending?

It's interesting how the la... (Below threshold)
fustian:

It's interesting how the lady doesn't even understand that her question has been answered.

Maybe this might help widen... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Maybe this might help widen your perspective of liberalism and muslims.

First, liberalism, the Lockean view that "the individual was sovereign" was the guiding philosphy of the Declaration of Indepedence and the Bill of Rights. This principle was underlined in Louis Hartz's book 'The Liberal Tradition in America'

second , the focus on muslims in terrorist incidents. Yes, sometimes in the interest of shortening media narriatives, they can be overlooked

Alright, Crickmore; I'll bi... (Below threshold)
apb:

Alright, Crickmore; I'll bite -

The classic definition of liberal doesn't fit the Jug-Eared Douche, not the scum put into positions of power - their power grabs will stuff our individualism into a collectivist nightmare, dependent on government.

What's your descriptive definition of the belief systems of those in power here in Obamastan?

Steve, riddle me this:... (Below threshold)
epador:

Steve, riddle me this:

Is Liberalism 250 years ago about as relevant to what those who call themselves liberals today
as
The racist and slavery-supporting idolatry of the Democratic party 150 years ago compared to the elitist and race-driven policies of the Democratic Party today?

But to get back to the topi... (Below threshold)
epador:

But to get back to the topic of this post, I find myself thinking back to the 70's when I was in college, and I can only conclude:

The only thing worse than a smug white liberal revolutionary college student is a smug renamed islamic-radical college student.

The left's belief that all ... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

The left's belief that all of the terrorists are poor depressed people is a major illusion in itself.

The belief that the "Left" is a hegemony of any sort is a major illusion in itself.

It has been proven that all of the terrorists that have been captured or killed, are very wealthy or scions of wealthy and influential members of the Arabic hierarchy.

Who has proven this? This a a naked assertion with no facts to back it up. Seriously, do you even know anything about terror? Their are two types of terror. One being state terror which is used force it's citizens into compliance with regime policy. The second being individual actors/groups who wish to influence democratic or semi-open governments into changing particular policy.

The first person to coin the term "terror" was notable Arab Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre (LOL) who used mass killings to eleminate any who where suspected of being counterrevolutionary. In the end, the people became sick of Robespierre and in true Islamic tradition cut off his head.

Now let's talk about none state actors. You see the difference between state terror and non-state actors is that the state controls the monopoly of violence. Groups and individual threaten this monopoly with their own acts of violence. Thus, threatening the stability of society even if it is relatively small in nature.

These acts are meant to change the policy of nation states towards terms that benefit the cause of such actors. Non-state terrorists include any group of people who fought off colonialism for self determination.

Some are the sons of high government officials that have steeped in hatred of the West and what it stands for, since the day of their births.

Did you just put together an improbable assumption? Which is that children of Arab politicians have a "biotruth" in which they are genetically predisposed to hate "the west and what it stands for" as babies. Even though they don't understand what any of those concepts are since they have not learned to verbal and symbolic communication. Come on man. This is getting silly.

Just like the lefts' idolization of Josef Stalin and Mao and now Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, they can't believe that the ideology of communism is flawed and has been flawed since its inception back in the 1600s.

Stalin won world war 2 as well as lead the Soviet Union from a backwards waterhole to the only nation to ever compete with us on the world stage. Mao brought hundreds of millions out of abject poverty, freed women in his society, as well as rebuilt his nation after the many years of war. Now China is an economic powerhouse and world player.


Too bad neither was communist for long. They each developed their own philosophies that mirrored a form of totalitarianism with central economic planning. Something in direct contradiction to Communism's temporary "dictatorship of the proletariat".

The Pilgrims that landed on Plymouth Rock proved that. It wasn't until they started to base their economy on the free market system that they began to prosper and make a success of the colony.

If buy free market system you mean shooting Indians and taking their stuff. Then I agree. The same free market system with no government interference exists in Somalia. Look how prosperous they are!

My advice for you is to go to a library and use your library card to get a few books on sociology and history. You seem to be lacking in those areas of knowledge.

Good thing You posted Booki... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Good thing You posted Bookie anti-PC rant so I can go into more details.

Dennis Prager is easy to manipulate idiots. His questions is akin to two choices that are morally impossible for the girl. Either say something reprehensible or condemn one's own people who are resisting occupation.

Dennis speaks about the genocidal nature of "hamas". Does he even know what the word genocide means? He must be a dumb Jew because he obviously doesn't. If he did he would be blaming the Israeli's for the genocide they are enforcing on the Gaza strip with the blockade. In which they have been slowly starving in their own rubble for over a year now. 1.5 million people slowly starving in an IDF enforced blockade.

Dennis Prager is also an idiot in regards to his writing. He is clearly is a racist airhead who points to the color of the skin as well as their political ideology to scream at the top of his lungs "EVIL EVIL EVIL" all the while whining that his white privilege is being threatened. What an idiot. For example, he actually said this:

"That a white male -- surely a conservative white male -- was the Times Square terrorist, and that we should therefore be looking suspiciously at our fellow Americans on the right,"

Translation:

" I might have been subject to the same laws and racial profiling that I advocate for browns and blacks in this very paper. Now let's mop up the real evil which are the Muslims. Whom, I might add, are not white or real Americans at tea parties." - Denise Prager

This is rather embarrassing to display the ravings of arab basher. Does anyone think this is valid content in regards to anything? Do you think this man has any intellectual validity? Do you think you can really enlarge your community when it is has content that excludes and demeans people of color?

Jeez. Jay Tee if you read this you got serious problems. Really serious. Also your tag style doesn't work.

Stalin won world war 2 a... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Stalin won world war 2 as well as lead the Soviet Union from a backwards waterhole to the only nation to ever compete with us on the world stage.

Not real keen on world history are you? Stalin was a beaten dog, it was Hitler's own ineptitude and the massive push by the Allies on the Western front that saved the Soviets, he certainly didn't win WWII. As far as "competing" with us...that's laughable. Praising a man that is responsible for more death than anyone in history, creating a repressed society where only the political class lived above the poverty level, if this is what serves as "leadership" I'll let you have it.

Mao brought hundreds of millions out of abject poverty, freed women in his society, as well as rebuilt his nation after the many years of war. Now China is an economic powerhouse and world player.

Again if ignorance is bliss you most assuradly are in heavan. Look at post revolution China, most of the people lived rural lives in poverty, Men are still dominate in society, with their one child policy most females are aborted or given up so that the "one" child will be male, they having much more value than the female, it's so bad they have had to pass laws banning "sympathy" for those without a male child and not allowing doctors to tell parents the sex of their child at ultrasounds...yep he sure did a lot for womens roles in Chinese society. Let me see economic powerhouse? Yep Hong Kong and Taiwan sure are, perhaps, just maybe, those economic, free market reforms, instituted in the 80's and 90's, brought on by the embarresment they felt at these 2 beacons, might of had something to do with it? Again don't praise something unless you tell the whole story.

If buy free market system you mean shooting Indians and taking their stuff. Then I agree. The same free market system with no government interference exists in Somalia. Look how prosperous they are!

Actually most of the Native ppl died from disease that they had no resistance to. Small pox, Scarlet Fever etc., very few were actually shot. The Plymoth colony fell apart b/c ppl soon realized that comunal living, controlled by an Oligarchy, was unfeasable. The success of the trading based Boston colony soon forced many to leave Plymoth and start other colonies, notably Rhode Island, for economic and religious freedoms. As far as Somolia is concerned, you do realize no one advocates NO government, like in Somalia, but just not centraly planned, over intrusive ones. Comparing Somalia to an open, free-market economy is akin to comparing Heaven and Hell.

My advice for you is to go to a library and use your library card to get a few books on sociology and history. You seem to be lacking in those areas of knowledge.

Perhaps you should take your won advice and head off to that local library and re-think some of your ramblings.

"This I find to be alarming... (Below threshold)
914:

"This I find to be alarming... note the nonchalance, note the matter-of-factness, note how innocently evil escapes this young woman's lips:"

Note the liberalness

Translation:<p... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Translation:

" I might have been subject to the same laws and racial profiling that I advocate for browns and blacks in this very paper. Now let's mop up the real evil which are the Muslims. Whom, I might add, are not white or real Americans at tea parties." - Denise Prager

Srry I missed your ignorance earlier. When you "translate" for Prager you include the fact that Muslims are not "white"...You do realize that a Muslim is someone who practices the Islamic faith? You do realize that several countries in Southern Europe have large populations of "Muslims"? The women in the video is obviously a caucasion, probably a convert, trying to garner some attention with probably NO FREAKIN clue what it is really like to live under women hating Shira law? Islam is a religion not a RACE dumb-ass.

She was first hesitant to a... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

She was first hesitant to answer the question because she would be arrested? Flat out wrong! We don't arrest people in this country for their beliefs or sympathies. We arrest them for their actions.

That one human being can stand in front of another and state their support for that persons death is proof of the moral bankruptcy of some people. And one person actually clapped when she said it.

I wonder how much of the speakers taxes (the object of her disdain) are going to fund her education?
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914: There's nothing liberal about that young woman. Nothing.

Crickmore - You can't be se... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

Crickmore - You can't be serious. Nice try throwing Locke out there. Everyone knows - except for you apparently - that "liberals" (by the modern nomenclature) are Hobbesian to the core. You purposely conflate classical liberalism with the modern-day hijacked version of the word, which is why I like to use the more appropriate term "leftist." Locke could not be more the enemy of the leftist. Step out of your fantasy world. Stop pretending.

there are none so blind as ... (Below threshold)
John:

there are none so blind as those that will not see.
Every day some radical muslim tells us in no uncertain terms that they want us DEAD. The left will endlessly excuse, provide wide latitude and bend over backwards to accomodate. On the other hand there is none of that for their fellow citizens should they disagree with them politically.

fustian, what's also intere... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

fustian, what's also interesting is that the lady didsn't understand that Horowitz wasn't asking her a question when he said, "So I said, 'Okay, I'll put it to you this way. I am a Jew. The head of Hizbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn't have to hunt us down globally. For or Against it?" Howowitz was merely relating a back and forth conversation between him and another MSA representative at a different time and a different place. Yet the young "lady" was so unable to resist an opportunity to voice her support of the position of the leader of Hizbollah that she spits out, "For it" immediately.

In this encounter she was clearly out classed and out maneuvered, and didn't show that she had a clue as to that either.

100% guarantee that this wo... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

100% guarantee that this woman voted for Obama.

she supports hunting down the Jews and eradicating them...by her own words.

Her I understand. She's twisted and given her support for genocide she is also EVIL! But she is consistent.

The 90+% of Jews who ALSO voted for Obama...them I do NOT understand.

There is no doubt in my min... (Below threshold)
recovered liberal democrat:

There is no doubt in my mind this woman would carry a bomb hidden in her scarf into a crowd of innocent "infidels" and blow herself up to prove herself worthy of entrance to "paradise". Then she would have her 72 dwarfs according to Islamic scholars. Rev. Wright at Obamalala's church supports Hamas. Need we know more?

All that evil needs to succ... (Below threshold)
Constitution First:

All that evil needs to succeed is for "we the people" to do nothing. I don't know who said it first, or even if I quoted correctly, but David will never stand accused of "doing nothing".

David's bravery stands in stark contrast to the majority of Americans who "do nothing" in the face of evil. For Shame.

David, you make my family proud to claim our heritage: Jewish, Thank You and may God protect and bless you.

-Steve (Cohen) M.

Not real keen on world h... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Not real keen on world history are you? Stalin was a beaten dog, it was Hitler's own ineptitude and the massive push by the Allies on the Western front that saved the Soviets, he certainly didn't win WWII. As far as "competing" with us...that's laughable. Praising a man that is responsible for more death than anyone in history, creating a repressed society where only the political class lived above the poverty level, if this is what serves as "leadership" I'll let you have it.
Wow you know nothing about history. Your American exceptionalism truly shows when you scrub the facts and replace it with such a myth. And yes, they did compete with us. It was called the "Cold War". And who said I was praising him? I was just stating facts that you choose to ignore. God you are dumb.

Again if ignorance is bliss you most assuradly are in heavan. Look at post revolution China, most of the people lived rural lives in poverty, Men are still dominate in society, with their one child policy most females are aborted or given up so that the "one" child will be male, they having much more value than the female, it's so bad they have had to pass laws banning "sympathy" for those without a male child and not allowing doctors to tell parents the sex of their child at ultrasounds...yep he sure did a lot for womens roles in Chinese society. Let me see economic powerhouse? Yep Hong Kong and Taiwan sure are, perhaps, just maybe, those economic, free market reforms, instituted in the 80's and 90's, brought on by the embarresment they felt at these 2 beacons, might of had something to do with it? Again don't praise something unless you tell the whole story.

Wow this mostly has nothing to do with Mao's policies. You are just flinging crap to the wall now to try to make something stick. First off he banned foot binding. Insignificant to you but rather significant to them. Which was one of many gender equality social reforms that they tried to implement.

The whole story doesn't begin with your timeline. It was in the 70's that China started the process of market reform when they split with the Soviet Union. Remember? When Richard Nixon went to China? Or do you pick and choose your own facts.

BTW China is an economic powerhouse. That is a fact. Another fact is that you just don't know what you are talking about.


Actually most of the Native ppl died from disease that they had no resistance to. Small pox, Scarlet Fever etc., very few were actually shot. The Plymoth colony fell apart b/c ppl soon realized that comunal living, controlled by an Oligarchy, was unfeasable. The success of the trading based Boston colony soon forced many to leave Plymoth and start other colonies, notably Rhode Island, for economic and religious freedoms. As far as Somolia is concerned, you do realize no one advocates NO government, like in Somalia, but just not centraly planned, over intrusive ones. Comparing Somalia to an open, free-market economy is akin to comparing Heaven and Hell.

Do you even know what an oligarchy is? Do you even know what communal living is? This happened in all British colonies in the Americas except the one started by William Penn. The influx of Europeans to his peaceful co-existing colony later changed that. But when he governed his woods he shared it with those that originally lived there. It thrived with cultural exchange as well as material exchange.

In the other colonies at the same time massive ethnic cleansing was occurring. The colonists had a lot of blood on their hands as they massacred the Indians as well as burned their crops to starve them. To deny the genocide of the Native Americans is akin to holocaust denial. You are a pathetic scum bag.

Perhaps you should take your won advice and head off to that local library and re-think some of your ramblings.

Maybe you should take your head out of your ass so you can feel the sun on your wretched clammy face. It would do wonders for you to see the world around you. Since you are an insulated little man who is as bad as the fat woman in the video. I can't believe you even opened up your trap to announce that you where a genocide denier.

Someone should have shot th... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Someone should have shot that bitch right in the head as she spoke. That might be a little intolerant but it would send a message. It would be called nipping it in the bud.

In the other colon... (Below threshold)
Stan:
In the other colonies at the same time massive ethnic cleansing was occurring. The colonists had a lot of blood on their hands as they massacred the Indians as well as burned their crops to starve them. To deny the genocide of the Native Americans is akin to holocaust denial. You are a pathetic scum bag.

Ethnic Cleansing? Bullshit!!! Your precious Josef Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Che Rivera/Fidel Castro killed more people in their reigns that anyone has done before or since. Even the Middle Ages was tame to the mass murders that these three despots committed in the name of purity.

Stalin alone is responsible for at least 20 million Russians, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, and other ethnic classes. Some of these people fought alongside of Stalin during the Russian Revolution. Some were the very high military personal. That blunder damn near gave Hitler the whole of Russia.

Mao is just as bloody or more so than Stalin. Mao in his paranoid delusions started the so-called Cultural Revolution, in which an estimated 50 million people were executed for spitting on the sidewalk.

Pol Pot killed 2 million of his own people in the infamous killing fields of Cambodia, simply because they were on the land that he and his minions wanted or because they supported free speech and the free press.

Ethnic Cleansing? Bullsh... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Ethnic Cleansing? Bullshit!!! Your precious Josef Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Che Rivera/Fidel Castro killed more people in their reigns that anyone has done before or since. Even the Middle Ages was tame to the mass murders that these three despots committed in the name of purity.

Yes, Ethnic cleansing. Do you know english or what? Also you name five people, not three. Also I never mentioned Fidel, Che, or Pol Pot. Yes, they did kill people. Stalin was a monster and the USSR denounced him shortly after his death. The USSR also saw to charge those that where his accomplices.

Mao was also criticized after his death as causing the deaths of millions. The proceeding Chinese government put is inner circle on trial. These accomplices where called the gang of four and they where found guilty and shot.

This is what happens when you live in a totalitarian society. Of course, due to cultural issues those societies can never fully denounce them for their monstrous deeds. Since they are viewed by a significant quantity of citizens as people who preserved their country from outright annihilation.

In regards to Fidel, Che, and Pol Pot. What are you a stupid baby? Next time you try to put words in a persons mouth you should just stop. Since you will just look like an irrelevant and ignorant ass.

Stalin alone is responsible for at least 20 million Russians, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, and other ethnic classes. Some of these people fought alongside of Stalin during the Russian Revolution. Some were the very high military personal. That blunder damn near gave Hitler the whole of Russia.

Yes, russofication was ethnic cleansing. Yes, the russian civil war caused the deaths of 20,000,000 people. No, Hitler was incapable of taking the USSR much less holding it. The deaths on the Eastern front are all Hitler's fault since he started the war of aggression to begin with. Anyways, talk of world war 2 is irrelevant when discussing the policies of dictators during peace time.

Mao is just as bloody or more so than Stalin. Mao in his paranoid delusions started the so-called Cultural Revolution, in which an estimated 50 million people were executed for spitting on the sidewalk.

Mao was good in guerilla war as well as grass roots organizing. He won the war again Chiang Kai-shek who was as equally as brutal as the communists.

Mao, however, was a terrible head of state since the cult of personality that developed led to bad policy that affected millions.

Mao in his old age went for one last political push. This push which lead to the cultural revolution was equally disastrous. Instead of taking hand of the situation and cracking down on the militias. He decided to take a laissez-faire approach to it. This spiraled into madness. When Mao finally died he was denounced by the party was being misdirected and his inner circle, the gang of four, was executed.

Pol Pot killed 2 million of his own people in the infamous killing fields of Cambodia, simply because they were on the land that he and his minions wanted or because they supported free speech and the free press.

Who mentioned Pol Pot? I didn't. Nor did I say I supported him. By the way you are wrong again. The Khmer Rouge killed a quarter of the population for simply because they where the most backwards regime to ever exist. Even the Taliban wasn't as backwards as them.

The Khmer Rouge wanted to socially engineer the society into a "agrarian based communism" that was so radical in it's nature that it is could hardly be compared to any previous communist government.

The previous communist regimes had one thing in common with each other which was modernization and industrialization as fast as possible. The Khmer Rouge had the opposite idea of emptying out all cities and as well as being fanatically anti-intellectual. Anyone with a pair of glasses was executed because of this.

The Khmer regime was so bad that the communist nation of Vietnam had to invade Cambodia to liberate them. The Cambodians defected in masses to fight with the Vietnamese soldiers.

So no, this wasn't a simple repression against free speech. It was insanity at it's highest. People didn't support the Vietnamese government or the army simply because of free speech. They did it because there was a damn genocide going on.

In fact, Vietnam stopped the genocide there while our country condemned the Vietnamese actions. What does that say about your views about history? It tells me that you view things very narrow and generally simplify things to stupid talking points.

Wow you know nothing abo... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Wow you know nothing about history. Your American exceptionalism truly shows when you scrub the facts and replace it with such a myth. And yes, they did compete with us. It was called the "Cold War". And who said I was praising him? I was just stating facts that you choose to ignore. God you are dumb.

You really don't have a clue do you? You said Stalin "won" WWII and proceed to say I'm dumb? Stalin had lost the Eastern Front and was in hiding from his generals for fear of assasination. The German high command begged Hitler to stop and consolodate his gains and not push till after Winter, he refused and the Allies collapsing his Western Front allowed the Russians to push out from an allready defeated German army. Perhaps a basic History class or book would help you in your arguments. If by competing with us you mean an arms race that led to the total collapse of the Soviet Union, a refution of Communism as a legitimate type of government and a people left in disaray..yep they sure were.competitive.

Wow this mostly has nothing to do with Mao's policies. You are just flinging crap to the wall now to try to make something stick. First off he banned foot binding. Insignificant to you but rather significant to them. Which was one of many gender equality social reforms that they tried to implement.

The whole story doesn't begin with your timeline. It was in the 70's that China started the process of market reform when they split with the Soviet Union. Remember? When Richard Nixon went to China? Or do you pick and choose your own facts.

BTW China is an economic powerhouse. That is a fact. Another fact is that you just don't know what you are talking about.

Actually the CPC and the Maoists supported the "Great Leap Forward" when they broke away from the Soviets in the 50's...let me see by 1978 exactly 53% of the ppl lived in poverty. In 1981 Xioping and others took control of the CPC and instituted Free Market economic reforms, due to the overwhelming success of Taiwan and a desire to have the British return Hong Kong. These reforms, leading up to today, has less than 20% of the Chinas economy owned by the state, something MAO was vehemently against and has resulted in only 19% of the ppl living in poverty. No one said they weren't a "powerhouse" just that Mao and his policies ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for it it dumb ass!

As far as womens issues, again you fail. Mao didn't to squat for women's issues and banning foot binding is your great example? You said he freed women in his society, he did no such thing and women to this day have much less value than men.

Do you even know what an oligarchy is

Yep, it's a form of Government where power rests with a small elite segment of society. ie. the religious leaders of the Plymoth colony.

This happened in all British colonies in the Americas except the one started by William Penn. The influx of Europeans to his peaceful co-existing colony later changed that. But when he governed his woods he shared it with those that originally lived there. It thrived with cultural exchange as well as material exchange.

LMAO..you really need to do some research on good ole Penn. He brought in those other Euorpeans, mostly persecuted religious groups, like his quakers, because his colony was failing economically, Penn was, in the end, just as greedy as any proprietary colony founder. He, like most Utopiosts, soon relized that it is a pipe dream and his puritanical stances in his later years, to firm up his personal finances, are easy to find.

In the other colonies at the same time massive ethnic cleansing was occurring. The colonists had a lot of blood on their hands as they massacred the Indians as well as burned their crops to starve them. To deny the genocide of the Native Americans is akin to holocaust denial. You are a pathetic scum bag.

Scum bag? Denier? Don't ever remember saying I denied that Native people in North America weren't killed in a sad part of our history, I'm just refuting your assertion that they were purposly "shot" by the Plymoth colonists. If you would take the time to do a little research and not sweating over what names to call you would find out that over 85% of the deaths that occured were from infectious disease that Native ppl had no natural defense too, our basic Chicken Pox was a killer to them. It was first contact, not the musketts of the colonists that led to that genocide, expecting the medical science of the day to understand that and for them to have somehow prevented it is the hight of illogical reasoning, but then again your probably the type who dissmisses the founders because several of them were slave owners.

I also take it you were properly slapped dwn by me when you compared Somalia to a free market economy and your assertion that Muslims are a "race of brown" ppl..no response to that. Face it I come at you with facts, you assert emotion and hyperbole..you, my friend, have clearly been shown to be an idiot.

You really don't have a ... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

You really don't have a clue do you? You said Stalin "won" WWII and proceed to say I'm dumb? Stalin had lost the Eastern Front and was in hiding from his generals for fear of assasination.

Yes that happened. In the year 1941 the Germans overran and razed Moscow. HAHAHAHA


Actually the CPC and the Maoists supported the "Great Leap Forward" when they broke away from the Soviets in the 50's...let me see by 1978 exactly 53% of the ppl lived in poverty. In 1981 Xioping and others took control of the CPC and instituted Free Market economic reforms

Way to cherry pick your responses. Why, let's just see how the standards of living are after the cultural revolution ended. Oh gosh they aren't to great. HAHAHA you are so disingenuous it hurts. Deng Xiaoping is the guys name btw. And what he did was not adopt free market economic reform in your sense. But in the sense of massive privitization of state assets and opening up of state controlled resources and industry to the highest bidder. What Deng did was create the oligarchs that run china today.

As far as womens issues, again you fail. Mao didn't to squat for women's issues and banning foot binding is your great example? You said he freed women in his society, he did no such thing and women to this day have much less value than men.

I guess you are into feminist theory then? HAHAHA you don't really know anything. Maybe you should read up on "foot binding". Also, if your example is that "women to this day have much less value than men". Then I suggest you take a stand in the inequalities in our own country which still discriminates against women in regards to their life opportunities. Or are you using women just to make some silly point against me?

Yep, it's a form of Government where power rests with a small elite segment of society. ie. the religious leaders of the Plymoth colony.

HAHAHA you almost said something right but there you go again. Sorry but the Plymouth colony was overseen venture of the British government. The British government was a monarchy at that time. HAHAHA

LMAO..you really need to do some research on good ole Penn. He brought in those other Euorpeans, mostly persecuted religious groups, like his quakers, because his colony was failing economically, Penn was, in the end, just as greedy as any proprietary colony founder. He, like most Utopiosts, soon relized that it is a pipe dream and his puritanical stances in his later years, to firm up his personal finances, are easy to find.

Oh god you embarrass yourself. First he was not "puritanical". He was a quaker that was the first to establish a constitutional form of governance that emphasized equality. Something which was later heavily borrowed from by our founding fathers.

Second, he died penniless because he invest all his money in his woods. I guess that is a terrible thought to you. Getting "free markets" is better then having human dignity and principles. Pathetic.

Scum bag? Denier? Don't ever remember saying I denied that Native people in North America weren't killed in a sad part of our history, I'm just refuting your assertion that they were purposly "shot" by the Plymoth colonists.

HAHAHA! And I quote:

"Eight percent of the English adult male population is estimated to have died during the war, a rather large percentage by most standards. The impact on the Native Americans was far higher, however. So many were killed, fled, or shipped off as slaves that the entire Native American population of New England fell by sixty to eighty percent".

HAHA you claim it was accidental. God help us all with your accidental prone brain.


also take it you were properly slapped dwn by me when you compared Somalia to a free market economy and your assertion that Muslims are a "race of brown" ppl..no response to that. Face it I come at you with facts, you assert emotion and hyperbole..you, my friend, have clearly been shown to be an idiot.

HAHAHA you are so dumb. You can't even quote me hahaha. When did I ever say "race of brown"? Oh yeah I didn't. That isn't a fact. It's a made up fantasy. Hahaha. And yes, you have no idea what "free market economics" seems to be. Which is laissez faire repackaged to be more palatable to the public. Somali being a prime example of a successful freemarket state HAHAHA.

From where I stand. The fact is you are a terrible person who should be embarrassed at how uneducated you are. You should feel ashamed that your parents hated you so much to raise you to be this ignorant. Have fun!:) HAHAHAHA

Translation:<p... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Translation:

" I might have been subject to the same laws and racial profiling that I advocate for browns and blacks in this very paper. Now let's mop up the real evil which are the Muslims. Whom, I might add, are not white or real Americans at tea parties." - Denise Prager

That was your "traslation" of Prager, in it you infer that Muslims are not white, but brown or black...maybe you should take time to review your own writings?

Eight percent of the English adult male population is estimated to have died during the war, a rather large percentage by most standards. The impact on the Native Americans was far higher, however. So many were killed, fled, or shipped off as slaves that the entire Native American population of New England fell by sixty to eighty percent".

Again, you just have to look it up to see that most died from disease, even those in the middle colonies, again you really are historically ignorant aren't you..do some googling might help you out.

Somali being a prime example of a successful freemarket state HAHAHA.

Again..fail...Somalia is an example of Anarchy..ie., lack of government, NOT a free market economy..you really are kinda lame :)

Again..no facts, hyperbole and typing HAHAHA, does not make a winning argument..you are def an example of epic failure and a sad example of whatever educational institution spawned you


Do you know what it entails... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Do you know what it entails to quote someone? See I didn't say race. You did. But you are right. I did say "brown".

You are right. That diseases literally genocided all the natives. Even burned their villages down.

You are right again. Somalia is anarchy. If you discount all the tribal structure of it's society that is. It is literally anarchy with no taxes. Which is pretty much the definition of free markets. You know, a market with no government interference involved. You are right though. It's more a "Free Bazaar" then a "Free Market".

After humiliating you I shall end this. Ending with the classic Shakespeare line of "You are literally a stupid manchild with no prospects for social redemption".

GeneralDouchman,In... (Below threshold)
Deke:

GeneralDouchman,

In light of your far superior intellectual arguments, I will concede the floor to your witicisms and acurate portrayal of world, historical events and personalities, I'm sure in a purley, sterile, enviroment your arguments far exceed mine

OR...maybe, in a childish moment of reflection you should ask yourself...What is burning? Oh that's my ass b/c Deke just lit it up!!

Now that deserves a HAHAHAHA

OK Steve, since that one wa... (Below threshold)
epador:

OK Steve, since that one was obviously too hard for you and you had to outsource to a Daily Kos Chinese nutcase to keep the thread diverted, try this one, its simpler:

With potent, flowery words speak I,
Of something common, vulgar, dry;
I weave webs of pedantic prose,
In effort to befuddle those,
Who think I wile time away,
In lofty things, above all day
The common kind that linger where
Monadic beings live and fare;
Practical I may not be,
But life, it seems, is full of me!

Mohammed said it was OK to ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Mohammed said it was OK to beat women with sticks no bigger than a man's thumb. Listening to this bitch, to hell with Mohammed. A baseball bat sounds more appropriate.

Batter up!

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GeneralChoomin:


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JLawson:

Proportional spacing just ruins ascii art, doesn't it?

That must have been a very nice bunny before it compressed.

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JLawson-

Yes, but the lower appendage is way over exaggerated.




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