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For a few years now, we've had the left refer to the religious right as the "American Taliban." But now that we've had a real incident that actually parallels the actions of the Taliban when they ruled Afghanistan, it was in all likelihood that members of the left carried out the atrocity.

A war memorial in the shape of the Cross has been in the Mojave Desert for decades. Recently, some anti-religious activists didn't like that a Christian symbol was being used thus, so they filed suit to get it removed. It made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where the Justices ruled recently that it can stay.

That didn't suit some folks, so they decided to overrule the court and steal the Cross.

Now, these were no ordinary vandals. These were determined, because that Cross was no easy thing to steal. The Cross's latest iteration (it had been replaced several times) was seven feet tall, made of steel tubing, filled with concrete, and bolted to the rock. The thieves had to remove the bolts and haul off a cross that weighed a LOT (I can't find a specific weight of the thing, but I think a significant portion of a ton would be in the ballpark).

Let's look at the facts here: certain individuals decided that they knew the Constitution better than the Supreme Court and acted in full defiance of the Court's ruling that the Cross could stay. They believed that their morality demanded that they eliminate the expression of a religious belief that they did not agree with, and took it upon themselves to get rid of the Cross.

As for the Taliban comparison... remember back in March of 2001? The Taliban, the de facto (but never legal) government of Afghanistan, decided that the two giant statues of Buddha, built before Mohammed was born, were an affront to Islam and blew them up.

I don't see a hell of a lot of difference here.

By the left's own definitions, this is absolutely a hate crime. It was motivated for purposes of religious discrimination and intimidation, and carried out in direct defiance of the United States Supreme Court and their ruling two weeks ago.

I fully expect the Obama administration to treat this with at least the same energies they've spent into investigating and denouncing the Tea Party movement and finding the vandals and thieves, and the Cross returned to its proper place.

And I say this as an agnostic who gives no special relevance to the Cross as a symbol, but as an amateur student of history who recognizes that the Cross is viewed as a memorial to those who died -- in this case, those who died in service to our country. Further, the highest awards the individual Armed Services present are the Army's Distinguished Service Cross, the Navy Cross, and the Air Force Cross.

There's currently a $25,000 reward being offered by the American Legion. I suspect that others will add to that amount.


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The people who stole it hav... (Below threshold)
James H:

The people who stole it have a heavy cross to bear. (rim shot)

Seriously, I hope it gets put back soon. Or replaced.

The left doesn't appear to ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The left doesn't appear to be particularly upset. Too bad those Legion folks don't put up a new cross and have some guys hang around to see what happens. Awful lonely out there in the desert at night. Strange things happen.

You'd think those who have a strong belief that the cross should not be there would arrange a photo op when they took it down. But with vermin like that, 'bravery' is not a well understood concept.

Barry's busy cleaning up hi... (Below threshold)
914:

Barry's busy cleaning up his mess in the gulf and anyways, he stays away from churches and crosses and stuff. So he wont touch this. Just ask Jebediah the KKK pep rally race monger.

Now, if it was a shrine fit to flush a koran down the stinkhole where it belongs he'd be Johnny on the spot, cause thats his religion and love..

"I fully expect the Obama a... (Below threshold)
Hank:

"I fully expect the Obama administration to treat this with at least the same energies they've spent into investigating and denouncing the Tea Party movement and finding the vandals and thieves, and the Cross returned to its proper place."

Great sarcasm.

Truth is, I'm surprised it was reported at all.
Doesn't advance the liberal narrative of conservative anger, hatred and violence.
Couple that with the fact that Christians and the military don't matter to the left and this story is more than likely going nowhere.

This also shows how the left handles losing arguments. Couldn't get the Cross removed legally. So they vandalize and steal it.

Gotta love libs. If they can't get their agenda passed via legislation, they use the courts. If the courts don't rule in their favor, they ignore that and break the law.
Then they lecture everyone else on proper behavior.

I expect MSNBC talking head... (Below threshold)
jim2:

I expect MSNBC talking heads tonight will say that the cross was probably taken by Tea Partiers upset over the recent passage of the wonderful health care legislation.

Obviously this was not a on... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Obviously this was not a one- or two- person operation. Depending on how many were involved, the likelihood that they will lead to their own capture by running their mouths is high. If they were smart they would have dumped it in the desert a mile or two away, covered with some brush 500 feet off the road or behind a rise or boulder. But the type of people who do this sort of thing are rarely very smart.

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"as an amateur student of history who recognizes that the Cross is viewed as a memorial to those who died" - Hmmm. If that is what it means, then why are the Jewish graves in National Cemeteries not marked with crosses?

On the bright side, your amateur status is not in doubt.

Live thread! Barrys dilemna... (Below threshold)
914:

Live thread! Barrys dilemna and downfall. Hurry, enact fairness doctrine and stop the hemorhraging before November!

You libs are so toast this fall.

"As A memorial," not "THE."... (Below threshold)

"As A memorial," not "THE." There are exceptions, Jim. But when one sees row after row after row after row of crosses in the ground, one doesn't think "church," but "graveyard."

For example, the American graveyard in Normandy.

J.

For the fellow nerds, assum... (Below threshold)

For the fellow nerds, assuming about 8 lb/ft, 7 feet tall with a 7 foot cross piece (looking at photos the cross piece looks about as wide as it is long) with typical concrete (150 lb/cf, that much pipe would hold about 1 cf), probably only weighed about 260 lbs, 2-3 people could manage it without much difficulty.

"For the fellow nerds, a... (Below threshold)
914:

"For the fellow nerds, assuming about 8 lb/ft, 7 feet tall with a 7 foot cross piece (looking at photos the cross piece looks about as wide as it is long) with typical concrete (150 lb/cf, that much pipe would hold about 1 cf), probably only weighed about 260 lbs, 2-3 people could manage it without much difficulty."

Or one pissed off Wookie!

If you don't kill a thug or... (Below threshold)
CommonSense:

If you don't kill a thug or a thief, he comes back.

They need to learn fear.

I agree with GarandFan. Wait for these Democrats to come back for a second cross and simply kill them all. Toss their bodies off a cliff and wait for predators to get their fill.

Three years ago I would never have felt this way, but we've seen that you can't live and let live with a Democrat. As long as they are breathing, they are plotting. So just get rid of them before they try to get rid of us, Billy Ayers style.

The local VFW caught a 21-y... (Below threshold)

The local VFW caught a 21-year-old burning their flag (not just A flag, mind you, but their flag from their flagpole). They gave him a choice - be reported to the police or be tied to the flagpole. He chose the latter and was duct-taped to the flagpole for 6 hours with a sign around his neck explaining what he had done.

I'm sure the vets out there can come up with something suitable.

"If you don't kill a thug o... (Below threshold)
914:

"If you don't kill a thug or a thief, he comes back."

Bronson in Deathwish!

For a few years no... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:
For a few years now, we've had the left refer to the religious right as the "American Taliban." But now that we've had a real incident that actually parallels the actions of the Taliban when they ruled Afghanistan, it was in all likelihood that members of the left carried out the atrocity.

A war memorial in the shape of the Cross has been in the Mojave Desert for decades. Recently, some anti-religious activists didn't like that a Christian symbol was being used thus, so they filed suit to get it removed. It made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where the Justices ruled recently that it can stay.

Did you not know that the controversy surrounding the cross was that it was on federal lands? or did you just decide to leave that part out so you could lie and smear "the left"?

Sometimes it's hard to tell if you're not intelligent or just lazy, or intentionally misleading. My guess is the alter because you're so consistently wrong.

The case went to the Supreme Court because the religious symbol was on government lands.

And can you please link or quote whatever evidence you have that "leftist" are involved in this?

"...it was in all likelihood that members of the left carried out the atrocity."

Are you sure this was "the left" - if so, what evidence is there?

Happily awaiting your ad hominem reply that completely dodges the question and spews more Christian hate my way...

Wow, you accuse the left of... (Below threshold)

Wow, you accuse the left of being the "Taliban", but who is making accusations and basically making Liberals the one guilty until proven innocent? Nothing "Talibanish" about that one.

You have no clue who took that cross and until you do, you should be careful who you're blaming. At this point, I think it would HILARIOUS if the person guilty was a registered REPUBLICAN!

And as far as these comments, "if you don't kill a thug or a thief, he comes back." WTF! Sounds pretty damned "Talibanish" to me!

You people are obviously angry white Republicans who are delusional and believe that America is somehow a "Christian" nation and the "thugs" of the world (I wonder if the author of that comment had any specific race in mind) are somehow taking something away from you.

America is NOT a Christian nation nor does is belong to any one group. Instead of these right wing racist and bigots saying they want to "take back America", if they had any sense at all, they'd be saying "give back America" as to the people their white ancestors robbed, raped, diseased and murdered to take it from!

Oh, and in case you didn't know, there are plenty of non-Christians who died fighting for this country as well. Pick up a history book and put down your Bibles. You may learn something!

Editor's note: I can conclusively say that this comment was NOT by regular commenter "James H," but by an imposter. James, sorry -- the tone of the comment should have tipped me off in the first place. Not to mention the astonishing ignorance of the commenter -- who appears to have not commented here before, and won't be doing so again any time soon. So before anyone even THINKS of lobbing any brickbats at the real James H over this, can it. --J.

James, I freely admit I'm j... (Below threshold)

James, I freely admit I'm jumping to a conclusion on blaming the theft of the Cross on left-wing extremists. I also spelled out why I do so -- the effort involved would deter most petty vandals. Further, the scrap value of two concrete-filled steel tubes is minimal.

SOMEONE (more likely someones) went out into the desert, removed the bolts, and hauled off a couple hundred pounds of cross. The very same Cross whose presence was a major point of contention with a lot of the Left, in particular the ACLU, until the Supreme Court ruled it could stay where it was.

I happen to be one of those non-Christians, James. I'm a proud, born-again agnostic. But I recognize that the symbolism of the Cross as a memorial extends beyond Christianity, and I recognize that the Supreme Court "gave its blessing" to the Cross staying where it was.

I don't advocate blind obedience to the Court's decisions, but I do advocate respecting them and, when I disagree with them, fighting them on legal grounds. NOT simply and literally taking the law into my own hands.

In the aftermath of the Kelo eminent domain farce, a group of New Hampshirites pushed to seize the home of David Souter and convert it into a hotel -- in the name of the "public good," of course. I liked that, and supported it.

But I would have never advocated demolishing Souter's home just because of how he voted on that case.

I offer opinions and judgments on current events here, and when I don't have hard evidence to back me up, I still offer them -- along with explaining why I have concluded what I have.

I believe that it was far-left anti-religious (or, possibly, just anti-Christian) nutjobs who stole the Mojave Cross. I also believe that radical leftists put Allee Bautsch and her boyfriend in the hospital in New Orleans last month after they were spotted leaving a Republican fundraiser.

Should I be proven wrong in either case, I will say so publicly and apologize.

I don't think I will have to, though.

J.

Lee: I don't feel like answ... (Below threshold)

Lee: I don't feel like answering you properly, so here's what you can do:

Take my answer to James, remove any trace of courtesy and respect, add in a few choice insults, insert several references to some of the countless times I've caught you being wrong or just plain lying, and finish it off with a particularly stinging taunt.

J.

for more information on the... (Below threshold)
ke_future:

for more information on the cross see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mojave_Memorial_Cross

lee, the cross was no longer on public land as it had been transferred to a private organization. this would be like someone who didn't like the statue of lenin sitting in your front lawn walking off with it one night.

according to the article, whoever stole it was a veteran. however, since they made this claim anonymously, and are a thief and a vandal to begin with, i question it. regardless of if the person was a veteran or not, you are more likely to find anti-religous motivations on the left than on the right, so assuming that it was a leftist who did this is not out of bounds.

See, Lee? That's what gets ... (Below threshold)

See, Lee? That's what gets me to ban people -- hijacking another commenter's identity. Not just irritating me or disagreeing with me or proving me wrong.

People who prove me wrong, I THANK.

I don't recall ever thanking you for correcting me. And when I proved you wrong in the Bizilj matter -- did you even admit you were wrong, let alone apologize? Nope, you did what you always do -- you doubled down on teh stoopid.

You have the slightest modicum of entertainment value, Lee -- that's pretty much your only redeeming quality.

Well, that's not quite right. You do a wonderful job of showing just what "the Looney Left" looks like, and you are a good touchstone -- the more outrageously outraged you are at what I say, the surer I am that I'm correct.

J.

Lee -The Supreme C... (Below threshold)
jim2:

Lee -

The Supreme Court decision lifted the lower court injunction that prevented a land swap involving the gound around the cross. That is, the specific "controversy" resolved by SCOTUS was not if the cross could remain on federal land, but if the land under the cross had to remain federal land.

That is, once the swap is/was done, the cross no longer is on federal ground.

As for who stole it, I doubt the Christian Right did it.

ke_future, interesting upda... (Below threshold)

ke_future, interesting update. I wonder what veteran took the cross.

Jesse MacBeth?
Micah Wright?
Scott Thomas Beauchamp?
Aidan Delgado?
Joseph Ellis?
Richard Strandlof?

After all, who could even conceive of someone lying about being a veteran to get credibility?

J.

Had the cross but been some... (Below threshold)

Had the cross but been some leftward symbol, say the Mexican flag, the MSM would have wall to wall coverage, Eric Holder would be investigating it as hate crime, and Dim Won would already denounced it.

As it is, expect the Obami to react sometime after they respond to flooding in middle Tennessee.

Lee isn't interested in fac... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Lee isn't interested in facts. Lee is into 'feelings'. Like the 'feelings' of those who shudder when they see a cross. I've always wanted to ask them how they 'feel' when passing by a cemetery. Do they go all ape-shit, like when passing a nativity scene during CHRISTMAS?

l ward - "Are you sure ... (Below threshold)
marc:

l ward - "Are you sure this was "the left" - if so, what evidence is there?"

And your proof it wasn't is what?

Where's your proof it was a religious extremest?

A Tea Party member?

God Almighty?

Or maybe it was s green?

BryanD?

Or various and sundry other nutcakes, (not to be confused with the loony left)?

"America is NOT a Christ... (Below threshold)
Geoffrey Britain:

"America is NOT a Christian nation"

Really? Certainly not strictly Christian but most definitively based upon Judeo/Christian values...What of "In God we Trust"? The statue of Moses Holding the Ten Commandments on the facade of the Supreme Court? Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and monuments in DC...

The actual sentiments of the first three Presidents and the Pres. who saved the union?

"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible."
George Washington
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." George Washington

""Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws." " John Adams

""The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man."

"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus."

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus." Thomas Jefferson [Letter to Benjamin Rush April 21, 1803]

"Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right."

"Surely God would not have created such a being as man, with an ability to grasp the infinite, to exist only for a day! No, no, man was made for immortality." Abraham Lincoln

"give back America as to the people their white ancestors robbed, raped, diseased and murdered to take it from!"
Native Americans robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it.

"plenty of non-Christians who died fighting for this country as well."
Very true, yet you focus upon the 5% who were non-Christians and deny the 95% who were Christians...

"the highest awards the ... (Below threshold)
Geoffrey Britain:

"the highest awards the individual Armed Services present are the Army's Distinguished Service Cross, the Navy Cross, and the Air Force Cross."

Ah! No doubt the next claimed violation of church and state!

In Afghanistan, the Taliban... (Below threshold)

In Afghanistan, the Taliban blew up statues of Buddha. In America, they target creches, menorahs, and crosses.

Its OK to hate christians.<... (Below threshold)
LiberalNitemare:

Its OK to hate christians.

They wont blow you up for it.

re: 28No One Expec... (Below threshold)
epador:

re: 28

No One Expects the Spanish Inquisition!

I don't approve of any crim... (Below threshold)
Raytheist:

I don't approve of any criminal act, but it's too bad your god wasn't powerful enough to ward off a couple of vandals...

#30 -The cross mem... (Below threshold)
jim2:

#30 -

The cross memorialized to US those who died in World War I, wearing our nation's uniform and fighting for our ideals.

I accept that you will not understand that, let alone appreciate it. You might, however, show this thread and your post to your parents and grandparents, and see how proud they are of you.

Lee ~ Sorry, the "on federa... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Lee ~ Sorry, the "on federal lands" argument sort of lost its bite when SCOTUS turned down the case. The "law" as it stands and stood at the time says the cross can stay. How you break the bad news to Satan is your problem.

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Jay Tea said

But when one sees row after row after row after row of crosses in the ground, one doesn't think "church," but "graveyard."

For example, the American graveyard in Normandy.

It does rather depend upon one's perception, but do you suppose the crosses were placed because there were graves there, or because the presumption was there were Christians buried there, since they made up the overwhelming majority of those lost?

In 1945, it was the custom to mark Jewish graves properly where possible, but if the religion of the deceased in battle was undetermined it was presumed to be Christian. At that time, the only professed atheists were communists, and few would admit to ignorance - I mean, agnosticism.

The whole and entire reason you perceive a cross marker as a grave is due to the tradition of placing crosses on Christian graves when no other marker was available. There are centuries, even millennia, behind that tradition.

In this country, it is true, we have placed crosses on the graves of condemned and executed men, and upon the graves of even the worst miscreants who escaped all justice. The motivation was Christian love and forgiveness, signaling that even the lowest of the low might hope for redemption in Christ. For although only the Catholic faith officially recognizes the seventh Cardinal Act of Mercy as the duty to ensure the respectful burial of the dead, most practicing Protestants have observed this duty of love and respect over the years as well.

Those crosses may serve as mere markers to you; I assure you they mean something far greater to far more.


Jay Tee is a reactionary li... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Jay Tee is a reactionary limp wristed manchild who suffers from extreme mood swings and paranoia. I feel sad for him because he couldn't handle a few criticisms and questions.

His "story" on a steal tube with concrete is rather hilarious. I mean, comparing the left to the Taliban? That's a riot! The Taliban is a hybrid political/religious ultra conservative group. Which is, naturally, to the right of the left.

What a dumb blog with a dumb opinion by a noted dumb coward named Jay Tea.

General, your criticisms wo... (Below threshold)

General, your criticisms would hold more weight if you could at least spell my nom de plume consistently. Or could distinguish "steel" and "steal" -- both of which are relevant to the article.

And I spelled out precisely why I was making the comparison -- the removal of the Navajo Cross with the destruction of the Bamyan Buddhas.

The value of your critiquing? Somewhere in the vicinity of Lee Ward's, which ain't much.

Run back to Kos and tell your fellow lickspittles that you were, as eminently predictably, an epic fail.

J.

He's just a parasitic troll... (Below threshold)
jim2:

He's just a parasitic troll, Jay.

Jim Addison channels SATAN:... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Jim Addison channels SATAN:

Lee ~ Sorry, the "on federal lands" argument sort of lost its bite when SCOTUS turned down the case. The "law" as it stands and stood at the time says the cross can stay. How you break the bad news to Satan is your problem.

Such Bite. So Wrong.

April 29, 2010 -- Congressman Jerry Lewis Wednesday praised the U.S. Supreme Court for overturning a lower court's decision to invalidate a land transfer passed by Congress to preserve the Mojave Cross veterans memorial...


The land transfer was ruled invalid by U.S. District Court Judge Robert Timlin, who had earlier ruled that the cross was unconstitutional because it was a religious symbol on government land.

The Supreme Court's decision overturns Timlin's ruling invalidating the land transfer. Justice Anthony Kennedy, in writing the decision, said the law granting the land exchange "embodied a legislative judgment that this dispute is best resolved through a framework and policy of accommodation. The statute should not have been dismissed as an evasion, for it brought about a change of law and a congressional statement of policy applicable to the case."

The SCOTUS decision triggered the cross grab.

No need to apologize - you were commenting on one of Jay Tea's posts. They are usually pretty much void of facts - Jay's posts are just grammar school-level diaries of what Jay feels like lying about on any given day...

"Leftists did it" - just another Jay Tea lie. Jay has a a pathological need to lie on a regular basis. He's saddened by his pathetic, dead-end job and the fact that he can't find a mate. It turned him into an angry little man. That plus being canned at the one decent chance he had to dig himself out of obscurity and into the msm he hates so much.

But I digress... The SCOTUS decision triggered the recent cross grab. People taking the law into their own hands.

Lee obviously thinks he's l... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

Lee obviously thinks he's losing the argument here - he's into full personal attack mode.
And a very rude and offensive one at that.

Pretty soon Lee will disappear from the thread forever, as is his usual way of dealing with handling challenges from Jay Tea.

But I digress... The SCO... (Below threshold)

But I digress... The SCOTUS decision triggered the recent cross grab. People taking the law into their own hands.

And you're perfectly fine with that, aren't you, Lee? Because it's your side that did it.

I'm also fascinated that you call my opinion a "lie." I understand that you have a very limited vocabulary and anything that doesn't quite fit your mindset is a "lie" in your own eyes, but exactly how does my opinion constitute a "lie?" Do I secretly believe differently? Do I know precisely who stole the Cross, and am concealing it? Am I a leftist poser who's spent years fooling everyone?

Lee, Lee, Lee. You're so stuck in a rut. Everyone who disagrees with you is a "liar," but when challenged you can't cite a single time when the person (well, me here) lied.

And it's especially laughable when you call others' OPINIONS lies. At no point have I said, definitively, that the Cross was stolen or Allee Bautsch was beaten by leftists -- only that I am convinced of such. And then I spell out why I'm jumping to those conclusions.

Remember, Lee, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even those who disagree with you and point out what an ass you are.

But no one -- especially not you -- is entitled to their own facts, their own reality, and their own definitions of words. "Lie," "troll," and your laughable exercises in armchair psychology -- they paint such a crystal-clear picture of you, and it's hardly flattering.

Should it emerge that it wasn't hard-core leftists behind the Cross stealing and the New Orleans beatdown, I will say so publicly. In the meantime, I'm going to continue to exercise my prerogative to present my opinions and my reasoning behind them.

And if it continues to drive you into fits of hysteria, Lee... all the better.

J.

As I said, Jay Tea aka "hur... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

As I said, Jay Tea aka "hur hur" is a noted dumb coward who's arguments are based solely on logical fallacies. His argument against me is that my opinion doesn't matter since I misspelled his stupid internet alias. Way to go! Way to go hur hur!

By your standards I could easily make these arguments:
1) Doesn't believe in the separation of church and state. The right is the taliban!
2) Believes that gays are an abomination while living shameful double lives with "rent boys". The right is the taliban!
3) Believes that women have their place and that is in the kitchen or having children. The right is the taliban!
4) Extreme xenophobia. The right is the taliban!
5) When in power does things unilaterally despite the objections of other more rational states. The right is the taliban!
6) When out of power they become belligerent partisans who rather see their nation crumble then progress happen. The right is the taliban!
7) Distrusts science that contradicts their religious dogma. The right is the taliban!
8) Thinks their actions ended the USSR. The right is the taliban!
9) Thinks that everyone that doesn't share their worldview is literally evil. The right is the taliban!
10) Doesn't know how economics yet proposes economic policies that break their nations. The right is the taliban!
11) Has bad hygiene. The right is the taliban!
12) Their culture is so anti-intellectual that it literally retards their children's development which is akin to child abuse. The right is the taliban!
13) Dry counties and bans on alcohol. The right is the taliban!
14) Defends people who fly planes into buildings in suicide attacks if they belong to their political affiliation. The right is the taliban!
15) Loves the idea of holy war and believes god is on their side. The right is the taliban!

See I found some similarities just like you. You only required one similarity to make your false equivocation. By your own logic, all the points I listed are valid no matter how ridiculous they are.

I mean, your point is literally comparing an act of theft and vandalism on an object by a few people to the taliban's destruction of priceless historic statues with RPGs and high explosives.

Real "epic fail" hur hur! It's also nice that you use memes like "epic fail" that originate from childrens sites like 4chan. Shows the true strength of your character!

Please tell me when you stop making arguments that consist solely of logical fallacies. It makes you look even more idiotic and irrelevant.

Hey look at this comment on... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Hey look at this comment on your blog. It's nice to know what type of regulars it attracts.

Native Americans robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it.

Now let's see if I changed the word around. Would people then think it is a racist comment and finally address it? Let's see!


Blacks robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

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Mexicans robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

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Asians robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

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Irish robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

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Jews robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

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Fat old white teabaggers robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life. They had NO moral compunctions against doing so and would look upon your assertions with contempt. Were you historically literate, you would know this, were you intellectually honest, you'd admit it

Hey look at this comment... (Below threshold)

Hey look at this comment on your blog. It's nice to know what type of regulars it attracts.

Well, it attracted you, so that pretty much sums it up.

And we don't play the Charles Johnson/Kos game here, where the authors are responsible for the comments. They are the responsibility of the commenters, and I LIKE leaving them there so the offending asshole can't ever deny having said them. I will NOT be complicit in helping them conceal their bigoted outbursts.

I didn't see that specific comment, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. We get our share of assholes here.

As I said, you're present.

And I'm not surprised that you missed the whole point of the "Taliban" reference here. I noted up front that the Left has been hysterically calling the right "Taliban" for years, and was giving a nice little counterexample in hopes of shutting up some people. Your comment merely strengthened what I said, by spelling out in great detail what I had asserted up front.

Run back to Kos, pathetic twit. Go find some more anti-Semitic propaganda to spew elsewhere. (Yes, I briefly looked at your "diary.)

J.

Honestly, I didn't even not... (Below threshold)
James H:

Honestly, I didn't even notice my impostor until just now. I said all I had to say on this up top.

Jay Tea ies again: "And ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Jay Tea ies again: "And you're perfectly fine with that, aren't you, Lee? Because it's your side that did it."

No, wait, I had one more th... (Below threshold)
James H:

No, wait, I had one more thing to say:

I think a cross on federal land to commemorate war fallen could be construed as a violation of the Establishment Clause. But I dont' think that makes it worth the fight. It's a cross. It's a war memorial. It stands out in the middle of the desert, means something to a bunch of people, and it doesn't harm anybody unless it falls over on them.

I can think of more pressing religious liberty issues than this.

You ain't denying it, Lee. ... (Below threshold)

You ain't denying it, Lee. If you do, indeed, condemn this action, then I will apologize.

But I think you're just fine with it. I think you agree with it not out of any kind of principle, but because it pisses off people you think ought to be attacked. You're so blinded by your rigid ideology that you can't see past it.

And James: well put at the end. That's a fair summation of my own thoughts. But once it got to the Supreme Court, then it became a big deal. It became not about a hunk of steel and concrete, but the authority of the Court and the federal government. Now it's a big deal to me.

J.

Generalchoomin? Is this the... (Below threshold)
914:

Generalchoomin? Is this the new name for Barry motors?

.........

"Fat old white teabaggers robbed, raped and murdered constantly, for the great majority of tribes it was their very way of life."

Im not fat, not old but am white.. KISS MY ASS DUMBASS!

You ain't denying it, Le... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

You ain't denying it, Lee. If you do, indeed, condemn this action, then I will apologize.

How pathetic. Jay Tea's delusion has him thinking I'm at fault and need to apologize for something he dreamed up in his fantasies.

Besides, your apologies means nothing, Tea - just like your lies. You're a pathological liar - you'd be lying when you apologized.

"But I think you're just fine with it. I think you agree with it not out of any kind of principle, but because it pisses off people you think ought to be attacked. You're so blinded by your rigid ideology that you can't see past it."

You don't think Jay - you just lie. You're a liar - plain and simple - a simple-minded idiot who makes up fantasies to fit his hatred of his fellow Americans.

People are noticing - people are wondering why Jay Tea aka J.G. Thayer would have to use sock puppets to post comments on blogs - and then lie about it.

You just can't quit me, can... (Below threshold)

You just can't quit me, can you, Lee?

And I resent you calling my lies "plain and simple." I put a lot of work into them, and I am insulted that you dismiss them so cavalierly.

My lies are masterpieces of complexity, ornate and full of nuance. They are thoroughly detailed and highly sophisticated, far beyond the ken of most mortals. Only the most astute, the most sagacious, the most insightful can perceive them in their full deceptiveness.

In other words, you.

(Do I have to put a /sarc tag on this one?)

J.

Jay Tea, you are one of the... (Below threshold)
James H:

Jay Tea, you are one of the most erudite, enlightened bloggers I have ever read ...

... the key to lies is to say them with a straight face.


(You expect me to resist this one?)

James, the best lies are at... (Below threshold)

James, the best lies are at least half true...

And I know the "lie" there was the "one of the" part.

You're too, too kind.

J.

And I'm not surprised th... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

And I'm not surprised that you missed the
Run back to Kos, pathetic twit. Go find some more anti-Semitic propaganda to spew elsewhere. (Yes, I briefly looked at your "diary.)

What I wrote consisted upon facts. You know, the reality. I just don't know why you think stating historical fact and having the ability of critical thinking is anti-semitic. But, then again, critical thinking is something you don't possess. I guess just hurling "anti-semite" is the best you can do since you have no substance. HAHAHA


whole point of the "Taliban" reference here. I noted up front that the Left has been hysterically calling the right "Taliban" for years, and was giving a nice little counterexample in hopes of shutting up some people. Your comment merely strengthened what I said, by spelling out in great detail what I had asserted up front.

So your whole point was to expose yourself as a hypocrite? Wow great point! Next time you can write about the evils of anal sex with your personal story of being penetrated in an airport bathroom. HAHAHAHA! You are such a god damn idiot! HAHAHAHA!

Lee, I liked you better as ... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee, I liked you better as steve green.

"So your whole point was... (Below threshold)
914:

"So your whole point was to expose yourself as a hypocrite? Wow great point! Next time you can write about the evils of anal sex with your personal story of being penetrated in an airport bathroom. HAHAHAHA! You are such a god damn idiot! HAHAHAHA!"

J, please 86 this asshole.


It certainly seems that the... (Below threshold)
jim2:

It certainly seems that the "left" fought to have the cross removed and that the "right" fought for the cross to remain. Is that in dispute?

Actions by lawmakers and SCOTUS then meant that the cross would stay.

Then, someone vandalized/stole the cross.

Absent some sort of neutral tooth fairy that specializes in concrete-filled steel crosses, it would seem a reasonable conclusion that the cross was removed by someone(s) that WANTED the cross removed.

Thus, someone(s) on the left would seem to be responsible. Just as the race does not always go the fleetest or the fight to the strongest, "lefties" may turn out not to be the culprits but it is the way to bet.

The American Taliban. Now t... (Below threshold)
Constitution First:

The American Taliban. Now that has a ring to it.

Can we start calling the Liberal/Progressive/Democrat Party, The American Taliban Party now?

"My lies are masterpiece... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"My lies are masterpieces of complexity, ornate and full of nuance. They are thoroughly detailed and highly sophisticated, far beyond the ken of most mortals. Only the most astute, the most sagacious, the"

Lol!

Not really, Jay -- your lies are transparent, desperate and pathological - that's why you avoid answering any challenges when your lies are outed - you just pretend to not hear... there really is no defense for your pathological need to misrepresent in just about every blog post you publish.

"Lol! Not r... (Below threshold)
Brutally Honest:

"Lol!

Not really, Jay -- your lies are transparent, desperate and pathological - that's why you avoid answering any challenges when your lies are outed - you just pretend to not hear..."

They must be pretty transparent like Obama c-span transparent cause I dont see em'

Your just pissed cause no one visits wizblue on account of your negative liberalness you shiester.

Lee, I keep challenging you... (Below threshold)

Lee, I keep challenging you to "expose" these lies, and you keep running away. It's getting tiresome.

BH, that's not the reason no one goes to Blue any more. The reason is because he stunk up the place so bad, Kevin fired him and pulled the plug on the whole shebang.

That's why he slinked back here, hoping no one would remember that he was banned from the main page for good, solid reasons a long time ago. Quite possibly more than once.

J.

Let's look at the facts ... (Below threshold)
GeneralChoomin:

Let's look at the facts here: certain individuals decided that they knew the Constitution better than the Supreme Court and acted in full defiance of the Court's ruling that the Cross could stay. They believed that their morality demanded that they eliminate the expression of a religious belief that they did not agree with, and took it upon themselves to get rid of the Cross.

That is not "facts" but the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic. Thus you lied.

Don't you have a sockcpuppe... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Don't you have a sockcpuppet to mend, Jay?

lol....




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