Nearly a week ago, I put up a piece that in the context of this post, might be worth a revisit.
Today, via Wheat & Weeds, I've found that the young woman has posted a response:
I attended the event as an individual, not as a representative of any organization, least of all the MSA. My presence was solidly founded in my academic and personal quests to hear diverse viewpoints. Unfortunately, Mr. Horowitz is a seasoned polemicist whose intent is not to encourage academic discussion by expounding his arguments or even supporting his positions with hard facts, but to excite the passions of an audience. Mr. Horowitz spent an hour indiscriminately attacking liberals, students, Arabs, Muslims, and Palestinians, utilizing verbiage that completely departed from an academic tone and delved into hate speech--especially labeling groups and individuals that support Palestinian rights "terrorists."
Insofar as my references to Hitler and the Nazi Youth programs: it was Mr. Horowitz who spent a substantial amount of time referring to the MSA as the "Hitler Youth" and its Justice in Palestine Week as "Hitler Youth Week"-- pejorative titles that as a human being, a student of history, and a person of faith, I find disgusting. I uttered them in a sarcastic manner only to point out the ridiculous and slanderous nature of Mr. Horowitz's labels--Nazis sought the extermination of anyone who was not "white," and this racial category excludes the vast majority of the Muslim population.
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Towards the end of the exchange, I became emotional. I could no longer hear Mr. Horowitz speaking and so did not even hear his injection of Hezbollah's credo of "rounding up" Jews in his last tangent. I could no longer contain my anger at being implicitly and improperly labeled a terrorist, an anti-Semite, and a proponent of genocide. The answer I was coerced into giving grossly misrepresented my beliefs and ideologies.
My answer, "for it," in the context in which it was said does NOT mean "for" genocide. I was referring to his initial question that asked me for my position on Hamas, a topic that for his own political reasons he was relentless in pursuing. "For it" was not a legitimization of Hezbollah's or anyone else's credo for that matter that Jews should be exterminated. In fact, Mr. Horowitz's intent was to entrap me with his barrage of questions so that he could avoid answering my question, and construe any answer that I would provide as anti-Semitic, genocidal hate speech in order to further his political agenda.
I am not a member of Hamas, nor have I ever given support to Hamas, nor do I agree their actions or stances wholesale, but I refused to offer Mr. Horowitz a blanket condemnation of Hamas that night. I felt that doing so would be a blanket condemnation of the Palestinian cause. I refused to throw the baby (the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people) out with the bathwater (Hamas.) In addition, Mr. Horowitz asked me to condemn Hamas as a genocidal organization; which to my limited knowledge on the subject, is another unsupported claim made by Mr. Horowitz.
Does this in any way change your view of what was seen in the Horowitz video?
Crossposted at Brutally Honest.



Comments (29)
I think she express... (Below threshold)1. Posted by irongrampa | May 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Score: 7 (13 votes cast)
I think she expressed her true feelings quite admirably in the video.
Not so much in this verbal spewing.
1. Posted by irongrampa | May 17, 2010 7:34 PM |
Score: 7 (13 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 19:34
2. Posted by docjim505 | May 17, 2010 7:46 PM | Score: 16 (22 votes cast)
Miss Albahri - or whoever wrote the posted screed for her - managed to hit the liberal high notes quite well:
"solidly founded in my academic and personal quests to hear diverse viewpoints"
"I became emotional. I could no longer hear Mr. Horowitz speaking"
"Mr. Horowitz is a seasoned polemicist whose intent is not to encourage academic discussion"
"I could no longer contain my anger at being implicitly and improperly labeled a terrorist, an anti-Semite, and a proponent of genocide."
"The answer I was coerced into giving grossly misrepresented my beliefs and ideologies."
Blah-blah-blah
In short, she blames Horowitz for tricking her, a poor widdle open-minded academic whose SOLE purpose for going to see a "polemicist" was to broaden her intellectual horizons. She couldn't help herself, you see. His "hate speech" and racism just sent her right over the edge to where she couldn't even hear him any more.
But I'm glad she's not in favor of "genocide". Killing LOTS of Jews, perhaps, but not ALL of them.
2. Posted by docjim505 | May 17, 2010 7:46 PM |
Score: 16 (22 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 19:46
3. Posted by GarandFan | May 17, 2010 7:50 PM | Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
So young lady (and I use the term loosely), are you still "For it!"?
3. Posted by GarandFan | May 17, 2010 7:50 PM |
Score: 13 (15 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 19:50
4. Posted by -S- | May 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
= taqqiyah.
As in, "jabberjabberjabberyaddayaddayadda, how do you like my pole dancing, I'm a good Muslim, wait, I mean, jabberjabberjabberjabber..."
4. Posted by -S- | May 17, 2010 7:54 PM |
Score: 8 (12 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 19:54
5. Posted by JLawson | May 17, 2010 7:58 PM | Score: 12 (16 votes cast)
"Does this in any way change your view of what was seen in the Horowitz video?"
Nope. Frantic backpedaling and handwaving usually doesn't change my mind on something like that.
5. Posted by JLawson | May 17, 2010 7:58 PM |
Score: 12 (16 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 19:58
6. Posted by Falze | May 17, 2010 8:09 PM | Score: 15 (19 votes cast)
Does this in any way change your view of what was seen in the Horowitz video?
Yes, at least before I thought she was honest.
6. Posted by Falze | May 17, 2010 8:09 PM |
Score: 15 (19 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:09
7. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Score: 5 (11 votes cast)
Somebody call for the wahislambulance!
7. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 8:22 PM |
Score: 5 (11 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:22
8. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 8:23 PM | Score: 5 (11 votes cast)
[Wahislambulance: the vehicle Green Helmet Man drives]
8. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 8:23 PM |
Score: 5 (11 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:23
9. Posted by Jay Guevara | May 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Spread that statement on the wheat fields of Kansas and you'd double the crop.
9. Posted by Jay Guevara | May 17, 2010 8:36 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:36
10. Posted by Justrand | May 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
re-read her statement carefully.
she NEVER says that she doesn't want the Jews exterminated...NEVER. This statement of hers simply says she was not legitimizing "anyone else's credo":
"For it" was not a legitimization of Hezbollah's or anyone else's credo for that matter that Jews should be exterminated."
10. Posted by Justrand | May 17, 2010 8:36 PM |
Score: 4 (6 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:36
11. Posted by GarandFan | May 17, 2010 8:43 PM | Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
"For it" was not a legitimization of Hezbollah's or anyone else's credo"
Perhaps this "educated" woman should be sent back for a remedial English class and learn the idiom. Especially when someone says they are "for it".
11. Posted by GarandFan | May 17, 2010 8:43 PM |
Score: 5 (7 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 20:43
12. Posted by JJ | May 17, 2010 9:03 PM | Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Maybe she meant "ferret?" Perhaps she suddenly spied a rodent on the floor?
12. Posted by JJ | May 17, 2010 9:03 PM |
Score: 2 (4 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 21:03
13. Posted by Upset Old Guy | May 17, 2010 9:26 PM | Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
"The answer I was coerced into giving..."
Coerced? Did he hold a gun to her head? Or, was she held in a choke hold? Maybe he twisted her arm around behind her back and dislocated her arm at the shoulder? Not that I saw any of that in the video. Clever editing perhaps?
13. Posted by Upset Old Guy | May 17, 2010 9:26 PM |
Score: 4 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 21:26
14. Posted by Bruce Henry | May 17, 2010 10:11 PM | Score: -7 (19 votes cast)
Re # 10:
Actually, Mr Justrand, if you read the linked statement, she does deny holding genocidal beliefs.
See, that's what the little dots are in between paragraphs in Rick's article. To let you know he skipped some stuff. He shoulda had some at the beginning, too.
"Read her statement carefully" indeed. How about reading the whole thing?
Why are you guys so sure she meant what she said in the video, but doesn't mean what she says now? It seems like a perfectly reasonable explanation. The part about not being able to hear Horowitz gets a D+ on the smell test, but otherwise, the only reason you guys have not to believe her explanation is that you don't want to believe it.
Because, let's face it, a woman with a headscarf and a "terrorist neckerchief" can't be believed unless she's saying something threatening, right?
You know what else? She weighs the same as a duck. Burn her!
14. Posted by Bruce Henry | May 17, 2010 10:11 PM |
Score: -7 (19 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 22:11
15. Posted by Trump | May 17, 2010 10:15 PM | Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
She's a lying sack of excrement who got caught out in the video and is now trying to cover her tracks.
Mrs. Albahri-
Eff you. This is one Jew who will remember just who and what you are.
15. Posted by Trump | May 17, 2010 10:15 PM |
Score: 6 (8 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 22:15
16. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 10:41 PM | Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Bruce scores a point about the abridged quote, however I don't see a win for his argument to support her.
I notice that her entire statement seems to miss the little bit about "being crucified" or arrested by Homeland Security if she failed to condemn Hamas. Hell, she just put her support of Hamas to the written word for all to see!
I think that IS a key part of her presentation, because it shows her perspective as a victim and how she feels it is appropriate to respond if you are a victim. It ALSO isn't congruent with her: I support lots of stuff about Hamas, just not the evil genocide and terrorism part.
Her statement paints her as a victim, now of the speaker AND her emotions (but certainly not her prejudices). Anyone beside Comrade Bruce feel those emotional buttons being pushed? Anyone see through it (certainly NOT Comrade Bruce)?
I have a BPD ex-wife who is even better at this shit than she is, and I'm not buying her contrite defensive response any more than the twisted reality of a BPD-ex.
Bruce, there are plenty of reasons, well enumerated in the original postings on the subject, on why we believe what her positions are from the live unfiltered verbal exchange. And knowing the muslim tradition of lying to non-believers to get your way, we have every reason to distrust any thought-out written response after the fact.
16. Posted by epador | May 17, 2010 10:41 PM |
Score: 7 (9 votes cast)
Posted on May 17, 2010 22:41
17. Posted by Ken Hahn | May 18, 2010 12:03 AM | Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Her statement is the standard for a lefty caught in expressing an unpopular sentiment. It goes as follows:
Excuse, excuse, excuse.. blame someone else.
Her "Horowitz made me do it." is Obama's "Bush made me do it." It is Hamas' "The Jews made us do it." To the victim-class of the far left, it is never their fault. She'd push the button to fire a nuclear missle into Tel Aviv and blame the Israelis. And lefties would defend her. She'd shove Horowitz into a gas chamber and claim he made her do it.
She's a pretty good liar and she writes well. Other than that she's a pretty much worthless. Like all professional victims, she lives on hate.
17. Posted by Ken Hahn | May 18, 2010 12:03 AM |
Score: 5 (9 votes cast)
Posted on May 18, 2010 00:03
18. Posted by Ken Sears | May 18, 2010 8:51 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Profound identity crisis there.
18. Posted by Ken Sears | May 18, 2010 8:51 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on May 18, 2010 08:51
19. Posted by Sceptique | May 18, 2010 10:17 AM | Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Yeah, she is against genocide... Today but not yesterday... Unless of course that genocide is just self-defense of Freedom Fighters of Hamas and Hezbollah and the people killed are all Jews, of course.
No one in his own mind can buy that poor explanation. Voodoo would have been a better excuse.
19. Posted by Sceptique | May 18, 2010 10:17 AM |
Score: 3 (5 votes cast)
Posted on May 18, 2010 10:17
20. Posted by Teresa | May 18, 2010 11:46 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Now, I see why...
http://www.google.com/search?q=Jumanah+Albahri+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
20. Posted by Teresa | May 18, 2010 11:46 AM |
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Posted on May 18, 2010 11:46
21. Posted by Teresa | May 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Mods/Admin, please delete last entry please. I posted wrong link.
Now I see why...
http://defendisrael.blog.com/2010/05/18/the-family-that-is-anti-jewish-together-stays-together/
21. Posted by Teresa | May 18, 2010 11:49 AM |
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Posted on May 18, 2010 11:49
22. Posted by moho1234
| May 18, 2010 2:40 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
She was certainly the most contained, calm, focused upset and emotional person I've ever seen. Right on, docjim.
22. Posted by moho1234
| May 18, 2010 2:40 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on May 18, 2010 14:40
23. Posted by Jeff | May 19, 2010 11:12 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
@Bruce: Only if that duck is Duckzilla.
23. Posted by Jeff | May 19, 2010 11:12 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on May 19, 2010 11:12
24. Posted by pmm | May 19, 2010 12:42 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Immediately after she denounces genocide in general terms, she claims to be a victim of lies and smears by Horowitz. Given that the video indicts her apparent views with no need or opportuntity for her critics to comment, it's a weak response. It would've been more compelling if she had just blamed "that bastard, Johnson."
24. Posted by pmm | May 19, 2010 12:42 PM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on May 19, 2010 12:42
25. Posted by Scott Smith | May 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
I hope she doesnt find employment at Fort Hood or any other US military facility
25. Posted by Scott Smith | May 21, 2010 11:48 AM |
Score: 3 (3 votes cast)
Posted on May 21, 2010 11:48
26. Posted by catmann | March 2, 2011 2:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Recently 700 members of the MSA attended a hatefest featuring Islamic radicals and promulgating lies about 9/11 and the times square bomber among others. She is a member of this fetid organization because she embraces the ideology of hate Islam promulgates as well as the lies it recites in support of it. Ms. Albahri (like most Muslims) is a Jew hater first last and always and no matter what she writes to the contrary.
26. Posted by catmann | March 2, 2011 2:33 PM |
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Posted on March 2, 2011 14:33
27. Posted by catmann | March 2, 2011 2:34 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
Recently 700 members of the MSA attended a hatefest featuring Islamic radicals and promulgating lies about 9/11 and the times square bomber among others. She is a member of this fetid organization because she embraces the ideology of hate Islam promulgates as well as the lies it recites in support of it. Ms. Albahri (like most Muslims) is a Jew hater first last and always and no matter what she writes to the contrary.
27. Posted by catmann | March 2, 2011 2:34 PM |
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Posted on March 2, 2011 14:34
28. Posted by Rhoda Ray | April 4, 2011 6:24 AM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
The video, his words, your words speak for themselves. Believe what you say, say what you believe and stop trying to weasel out of your inter thoughts and beliefs.
You are brainwashed by the Islamist, uneducated and clearly trying to "fit in" somewhere.
Educate yourself rather than being a mouthpiece for hate and lies.
28. Posted by Rhoda Ray | April 4, 2011 6:24 AM |
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Posted on April 4, 2011 06:24
29. Posted by Rhoda Ray | April 4, 2011 6:27 AM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
The video, his words, your words speak for themselves. Believe what you say, say what you believe and stop trying to weasel out of your inter thoughts and beliefs.
You are brainwashed by the Islamist, uneducated and clearly trying to "fit in" somewhere.
Educate yourself rather than being a mouthpiece for hate and lies.
29. Posted by Rhoda Ray | April 4, 2011 6:27 AM |
Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
Posted on April 4, 2011 06:27