The Phoenix bums got their asses handed to them in game one!! Go Lakers! Hahahahahaah

Wait1! The damn Lakers are part of the kabal?? Oh well, Phoenix started it.

Symbolism over substance.

That should work well.

BTW - here's the law in question, for those curious to actually READ it instead of have someone else tell you what it says.

(If you're left of center, please feel free to take offense at the parts that are in ALL CAPS. After all, who likes legalese that's shouting at you? That ALONE is enough to show it's racist, speciesphobic, biased, and anything else you want to use to justify your refusal to actually read it.)

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

From the Party of RINOs, Closeted Gay "Family Value" Figureheads and Pedophiles comes a complaint about "Symbolism over Substance"? That's rich.

The council's resolution says the city government will no longer do new business with Arizona companies, and they won't send city workers to conferences there.

They can't just cancel existing contracts - you won't find any governmental entities doing that, but the list of boycotts is growing.

Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?

And speaking of Seattle and Symbolism over Substance... check out this AssClown.

Republican U.S. Senate candidate Clint Didier likes to bash bloated government as he courts support of the conservative tea-party movement for his primary-election campaign.

A former NFL player turned farmer, Didier has repeatedly called the federal government "a predator." He vows to oppose the "Marxist utopia" he says Democrats want to create -- "where everyone is taken care of from womb to tomb."

But Didier himself has cashed in on one big government aid program. He has received nearly $273,000 in federal farm subsidies since 1995, according to a database of U.S. Department of Agriculture subsidies maintained by the Environmental Working Group (EWG).

Didier's 1,000-acre Pasco farm has received price-support payments for wheat, corn and barley, reimbursement for crops destroyed by hail, and "conservation subsidies" to replace steel irrigation pipes with plastic. His annual take has ranged from $2,700 to $65,000, according to EWG, a nonprofit organization critical of the farm-subsidy program.

lol. Big bad Republican jughead. Lining his pockets with government cash subsidies while he parrots the TeaBagger's mantras.

You can fool some of the Rubes all of the time...

Clean up on aisles 4, 5 and 6. Bring lots of bleach, I don't think this guy's been getting enough fiber.

Proving once again that cash trumps faux outrage!

Ah, speaking of "In the shuffling madness . . ." it seems the First Comrade of the Junior Stalinists League, Wizbang Chapter, is off his meds again.

Please don't be harsh with him. I know he seems hopeless, but with lots of love and prayer, years of psychotherapy, and psychotropic medication reinforced with regular electroshock treatments, he might in time be able to perform many simple tasks and perhaps even care for his own hygiene.

Jim, I was thinking more along the lines of "the all time loser, shuffling to his death"

"They can't just cancel existing contracts"

Lee Ward - legal expert - and once again FULL OF BULLSHIT!

Just like the city of LA. They don't want to do any boycotting which might hurt their economy, just Arizona's. Ah, true liberal allegiance to their "values".

Mayor Tony just got a letter from a member of Arizona's Board of Corporations - reminding Tony that LA gets 1/4 of it's power needs from Arizona generating plants, and would Tony like a little reciprocity boycotting from Arizona?

Liberals are all about symbolism - screw substance. Right Lee?

Leeward wrote:

Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?

Calfornia. You mean it sucks to be a state full of racists, California.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/may/15/audio-interview-la-city-councilman-attacks-ariz-la/

iwogisdead - Lee isn't aware that Kalifornia has an identical law on the books as Arizona.

I'm waiting for San Diego, LA and San Francisco to start boycotting the state.

"Liberals are all about symbolism - screw substance. Right Lee?"

RINOs and Gay Actors like Reker" have the whole Symbolism Biz all sewn up.

If you don't believe the boycotts are effective that's your business, but the fact is that they can't just cancel existing contracts because they feel like boycotting AZ, but they can decide to not enter new contracts with AZ businesses and they can stop state employees from traveling to AZ, etc.

But let's see - LA is boycotting, Austin, Texas is boycotting, and Seattle is boycotting. And I think San Francisco is boycotting AZ as well (again, new contracts and business, not canceling existing contracts).

There are obviously major political and economic consequences to Arizona's racism. I don't think anyone in Seattle, SF, LA and Austin who is behind the boycott thinks that the racists in Arizona will back down - but this isn't about getting the racists to change their minds -- it's about standing up for what is right in America.

And the Right is Wrong again.

Notice that AZ also passed a law banning bilingual education.

Ten years ago Arizona schools were hiring bilingual teachers - now they're looking to get rid of them.

That's all about stopping illegals, isn't it?

No, it isn't. It just more racist behavior.

. . . it's about standing up for what is right in America.

Then we can expect Seattle and Austin to boycott California as well. San Francisco will have to boycott itself.

It also seems that Massachusetts, Georgia, and California also ban bilingual education.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingual_education

Everyone's going to have to start boycotting everyone else. It's gonna be hard to keep track without a wall chart.

I missed the fact that AZ passed a law banning bilingual education. I am pretty sure it would of been all over the news here in AZ.

Maybe it is being mistaken for the law banning Ethnic Studies that promote racial hatred, or the over throw of the U.S. govenment. Could also be confused with the law requiring english teachers to be able to coherently speak english.

Arizona, making the state more friendly for tourists and Arizonans alike, will discontinue its use of speed cameras this summer. I'm spending my winter vacation in AZ, not Seattle, San Francisco or Austin. With 60 to 70% of those polled favoring the new AZ law, there may be more positives than negatives for the state.

I would extend a great thanks to Lee Ward, for finally managing to wring any further relevance out of the word "racist". Well done, Lee!

Lee just glosses over the bullshit he spews.
Hey Lee, you gonna boycott California?

As for:

"Notice that AZ also passed a law banning bilingual education."

Don't know about that but would not be surprised. It's been found to actually drag out a person's transition. Check out the Army's language school at DLI. It's called "Total Immersion". BECAUSE IT WORKS!

Gah! I cleaned out some files and cookies, didn't realize I'd lost my comment score threshold setting and accidentally began to read one of Lee's comments. Going to rinse my skull out with soap now....

Lee-

And the Right is Wrong again.

Yeah right.

Look at the state of this Country under your hindness Hussyein!

And thats "wrong reverend right" not vice versa.

Oyster, wanna borrow my mental floss? It's great for getting those pesky Ward-droppings out from between the neurons.

And Lee, how goes the hunt for the REAL Times Square bomber? What was your latest theory, anyway -- some Arizona racist teabagger? Larry Sinclair, going from blow to blowjobs to blowing stuff up? Obama looking to incinerate his real birth certificate once and for all?

J.

Please,
Lee will admit he was wrong (and by his standards, LIED) about the TS bomber or boycott the PRCalifornia just after he joins a union. That is to say, never.
Such things (truth, consistency, putting your money where your mouth is) are for the unwashed masses, not for the enlightened.

lee ward (who seems to think he's a jr, Clarence Darrow)

"but the fact is that they can't just cancel existing contracts because they feel like boycotting AZ, but they can decide to not enter new contracts with AZ businesses and they can stop state employees from traveling to AZ, etc."

Puzzle me the differance "clarence,"... by not living up to the standards set in contracts between LA and the state of AZ - stop[ing] state employees from traveling to AZ for example - is in effect canceling that legal contract.

Oh, and BTW... the lawsuits will be filed fast and furious for breech of contract.

Another raspberry gem brought to you by Lee Ward-

"Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?"

Next to you, Bruce Henry appears almost intelligent.

Racist Lee Ward is back at his idiotic posting again.

He probably did not read the Arizona law like most other commie libtards.

LA has a similar law on their books.

Is this Lee Ward an actual human being or some sort of random stupidity generating algorithm?

LeBron Steinman... well yes, and highly funded by george soros.

Section 834b in the California Penal Code:

(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws. (b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following: (1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status. (2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or leave the United States. (3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity. (c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

So when are the liberal bastards of Kalifornia going to boycott their own state?

BTW lee ward - "Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?"

IT's a damn safe bet of that 70% of Arizona residents that support the law, and large percentage of (30.1%) are Hispanics that.

Are they racists also?

When hell freezes over.

There you go again, GarandFan, throwing actual facts into the argument. When will you ever learn?

"Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?"
Nah it doesn't suck at all, I mean even though we have our racist liberals who don't think people of color can succeed without the enlightened help of the state, and we have La Raza teaching kids in our schools to hate people of another color, And race pimps coming in to lie to anyone who will listen for money, Arizona ain't that bad.
It would be nice if we could get the Democrats to quit profiling Hispanics as illegals. I mean only a racist would assume that when we write a law about illegals carrying ID, we're only talking about Mexicans, and not the Chinese, or Canadians or Irish...
Racist Bastards....

Wow! I haven't heard a peep out of Barry all the live long day.. You would think he'd be out there backing his brownshirts as they attempt to keep his retarded policies moving forward? They gave him their worship and he SHITS on them!

Dont worry brownshirts, its all about Barry and his ego all day everyday all year every year.. And if you dont like it TOUGH SHIT!

Closeted Gay "Family Value" Figureheads and Pedophiles

You say that like it's a bad thing. I'm confused.

Perversion is good, isn't it? Isn't homosexuality just another lifestyle? Isn't it equally valid? And pedophilia...well, liberals pretty much have a lock on that, along with the NAMBLA vote. Ask Kevin Jennings.

So why are you so homophobic? Time for the re-education camp, comrade!

Liberals get angry when they cannot win you over with feelings and emotions, so instead they resort to stupidity and violence (La Raza) Logic never enters into the picture. Boycotts? Everything they boycott will have an equal and greater reverse effect on them. Look at Barry the great uniter, the more he tries to unite the more polarizingly poisonous the enviro becomes.

Go back to Chicago Barry.. If you can make a success out of that mess, I will consider voting for you in 2044.

I'm just waiting for AZ to tell LA to get lost and pull the plug on the 25% of LA's electricity that gets produced in AZ.

But LA's mayor like all libs is uninformed and has no spine. He doesn't care that the law is essentially a reiteration of the federal law signed in 1940 by FDR. He doesn't care that his state's own laws are equally "racist" if you want to look at things the way he does.

Just another lib playing the victim card. The only good news is that the public is catching on and is very tired of playing this game.If the libs keep pushing they might drive the popularty of the AZ law over 80% before too long.

34. Posted by Jay Guevara | May 18, 2010 7:21 PM

One of Jay's sockpuppets, how cute.

Several years ago, Arizona decided they didn't want to follow the rest of the nation and adopt Martin Luther King's Birthday as a holiday.

Of course the reason was obvious - they wanted to stop the flow of illegals across the borde.... uhm, wait. That wasn't it.

No - they didn't want to celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday because he was an illegal immigrant?

Wrong again. They didn't want to celebrate Martin Luther King's Birthday because they're bigoted racists.

And, as you would expect, after several years they reversed themselves after being subjected to intense boycotts.

When Arizona was boycotted in 1993 for refusing to observer Martin Luther King day, Mr Kerbel says, it lost 130 conventions and the Super Bowl - as much as $350 million by some estimates. Now the potential impact has grown.

"When you add the social networking capability of the Internet to the mix, you have the potential for a fairly robust and widespread boycott," says Kerbel.

$350 million and that was back in the days before Facebook and Twitter, before social movements could grow and flex their muscles so much more easily.

I read that El Paso, Texas and Oakland, California are seriously considering boycotting AZ also.

Sucks to be racists. But the good news is that the nation knows it and is dealing with them accordingly... right wing masturbation fantasies notwithstanding.

Lee Ward lost the argument right out of the chute by saying Arizonian's are racist. With ignorant, blathering from the liberal, it is obvious he does not know about the bill or the state of Arizona.

I will say Lee, you should boycott Wizbang. Please. ww

It must really suck to be you Lee, with all that pent up racial hatred towards white conservative men and women. Or are you an equal opportunity racist, hating black, brown, red, and the entire rainbow of conservative people?

What's it feel like to be a racist with all that anger and resentment in side?

I do believe it is a mental disorder that is likely to get worse after each election.

I do enjoy the entertainment value you provide here as you pontificate Moron.org talking points while folks ridicule you and make fun of your idiotic and racist comments.

The real question in this thread is quite obvious:

Why is a racist troll like Lee Ward even tolerated at Wizbang?

For the record, I believe in Marin Luther King's dream - judge people not by the color of their skin, but the content of their character.
The character of illegal immigrants is problematic, they are illegal.
The content of a troll who's first argument is to call an entire state raaaaacist, and then make his customary personal attacks (#37) - well, his character is sorely lacking.

Get rid of Lee Ward - he brings nothing to any discussion here but raaaaacism and slime.

I'm really glad that Lee Ward brought up MLK. Did you know, Lee, that San Diego is RACIST!!!!!

When Ms King took a tour through San Diego years ago, she asked the cities leaders what they had named in honor of her late husband. They turned red-faced and said "er.....nothing." So liberals that they were, the next week Market Street became MLK Boulevard. Only problem was, the PEOPLE who lived on Market St LIKED THE OLD NAME. Their problem with the name change was essentially, "What did King do for San Diego?". Took 10 years, but Market Street is back. The liberals had to be content with re-naming a section of freeway for him.

Oh, and Lee, you racist, bigoted bastard, don't forget Cape Kennedy is now Cape Canaveral once again. Kennedy was WHITE as I recall.

Places are normally named for, AND KEPT, when there is some hard tie with the local neighborhood. Come on down, Lee, and just try to rename Basilone Road to something else. You'll probably get your racist ass hung from the nearest utility pole.

Arizona actually asked the right questions at the time. How many paid holidays can government support? What did MLK do for Arizona? Hell, had he ever been to Arizona?

Did you know the Racist! bastards in Kalifornia don't get a full paid holiday on Caesar Chavez Day? Most local government said NO! Not unless you give up some other paid holiday in exchange. Racist bastards!
Right, Lee?

California's law:

(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws every law enforcement agency shall do the following...

The Arizona law is much more broad, and requires the showing of papers without having been arrested first.

You clowns have been listening to right wing liars again. Te California law cited and the Arizona law are not the same or even close.

But Michelle Malkin lies and people line up behind her carrying "I'm with Stupid" signs...

Wow.

Arizona actually asked the right questions at the time. How many paid holidays can government support? What did MLK do for Arizona? Hell, had he ever been to Arizona?

49 states get behind celebrating MLK's birthday for what he did for our country and its people, and the Arizona racists just can't get behind that.

Quit making excuses for their bigoted behavior. It's an obvious pattern.

And no, the California law isn't the same. Quit being dumb. Wake up and read something besides the right wing echo chamber.

Im wondering, are all the police depts for these cities giving up their TASER's? TASER is an AZ company. Giving up less lethal force options to protest enforcing laws makes perfect lefty sense....

"The Arizona law is much more broad, and requires the showing of papers without having been arrested first."

BULLFUCKING SHIT! LEE!

READ THE DAMNED LAW YOU WORTHLESS ASSHOLE!

Let me explain it so that even a simple mind like yours can grasp it Lee.

As I cop, I could pull you over and DEMAND to see your driver's license. NO ARREST NEEDED!
Same applies in Arizonia IF YOU BOTHERED TO READ!

"49 states get behind celebrating MLK's birthday for what he did for our country and its people, and the Arizona racists just can't get behind that."

Yeah, get behind 49 other people "because, like dude, their doing it". Just another PAID holiday! Work for the government don't you Lee?

"Yeah, get behind 49 other people "because, like dude, their doing it"

If you don't recognize that Arizona didn't go along with MLK's birthday because he was black you aren't very smart.

49 other states adopted the holiday, but not Arizona.

And only Arizona is the only state attacking the illegal immigration problem by acting like Nazis.

Race isn't a factor? Of course it is.

Police Chiefs Speak Out Against Arizona Immigration Law SB1070

Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police

"The provisions of the bill remain problematic and will negatively affect the ability of law enforcement agencies across the state to fulfill their many responsibilities in a timely manner. While AACOP recognizes immigration as a significant issue in Arizona, we remain strong in our belief that it is an issue most appropriately addressed at the federal level."
("AACOP Statement on Senate Bill 1070", April 21, 2010)

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, Pima County, AZ
"[I have] no intention of complying. I think the law is one of the worst pieces of legislation I've seen in 50 years. [It's] racist, disgusting and unnecessary...[There will be racial profiling.] If I tell my people to go out and look for A, B, and C, they're going to do it. They'll find some flimsy excuse like a tail light that's not working as a basis for a stop, which is a bunch of baloney. "
("The Dupnik rebellion: Pima's top cop says 'no' to SB 1070," KGUN-TV, April 27, 2010)

Sergeant Brian Soller, Mesa, AZ; President, Mesa Lodge, Fraternal Order of Police
"What's going to happen is you're going to fear the police...[immigrants are] going to shy away from us instead of coming forward with information."
("Unfunded mandate?", KPNX-TV, April 18, 2010)

Retired Chief Arturo Venegas, Sacramento, CA; Project Director, Law Enforcement Engagement Initiative
"[The law] essentially legislates racial profiling, putting police in the middle of the train tracks to face an onslaught of civil-rights violations lawsuits. No other law in the country allows citizens to sue a government agency for not arresting enough people."
("Gascon says immigration bill 'catastrophic," San Francisco Chronicle, April 22, 2010)

Sheriff Bill Pribil, Coconino County, AZ
"At this point, I see it interesting on the one hand counties are being eviscerated by the state Legislature when it comes to budget ... and yet they continue to find ways for us to spend our precious resources on programs we can't support."
("Proposed new Arizona immigration bills draw concern," Arizona Daily Sun, March 16, 2010)

Chief Frank Milstead, Mesa, AZ
"[The law will require] people to prove their innocence [before being charged with a crime]."
("Mesa police unsure of new immigration bill's impact," Arizona Republic, April 14, 2010)

Assistant Chief Mike Denney, Mesa, AZ
"What does it do to our already limited resources? Officers are going to have to spend a lot of time determining whether someone is or is not in the country illegally."
("Mesa police unsure of new immigration bill's impact," Arizona Republic, April 14, 2010)

Sergeant Brian Soller, Mesa, AZ; President, Mesa Lodge, Fraternal Order of Police
"If we're getting hammered with calls, is a misdemeanor [trespassing by an illegal immigrant] more important than a stabbing or shooting? No. The problem with this law is that it's an unfunded mandate and could eat up a lot of manpower and cost a lot of money."
("Police unions: Immigration bill taxes officers," East Valley Tribune, April 18, 2010)

What do you think, garandfan? Did these police chiefs "read the fucking law"?

Garandfan,

For the racist record, there are 57 racist states in the United states of KKK A according to Barry..

"And only Arizona is the only state attacking the illegal immigration problem by acting like Nazis."

So where are the death camps??

Did those police chiefs read the law? It doesn't sound like their beef is with the law other than it requires them to do something about a crime they're happier ignoring.

What do you think, garandfan? Did these police chiefs "read the fucking law"?

"Police" Chiefs are notorious for being anything other that "Political" Chiefs. I know, I worked under several. One even FORBADE officers from broadcasting suspect information about RACE over the police radio. We all laughed our asses off - "20-22 yr old male, 5-10, wearing blue shirt, brown shorts". In a beach town that really narrowed it down. I heard a radio broadcast this afternoon. A REAL BEAT COP from Phoenix said his chief "was full of political bullshit". Personally, from experience, I believe him. Most get to be Chief by political maneuvering, not solving crimes or arresting people.

"If you don't recognize that Arizona didn't go along with MLK's birthday because he was black you aren't very smart."

Like I said, when MLK's turn for a "holiday" rolled around, there were already 12 paid ones on the calendar. Caesar Chavez made 14 in Kalifornia when Hispanics wanted a day for him. I know our local city gave employees a choice: Take it as a paid day off, AND YOU LOSE ONE OF THE OTHER ONES. Or take it as an unpaid day off. Guess that makes local government RACIST! in your bigoted and diverse view.

NOW LEE, YOUR ASSIGNMENT, CUT AND PASTE THE RELEVANT SECTION OF ARIZONA LAW THAT IS ILLEGAL.

I wait, but won't hold my breath, because IT ISN'T THERE.

I read that El Paso, Texas and Oakland, California are seriously considering boycotting AZ also.

Dear Turd,

Wow. Next you'll be telling me that Detroit is "seriously considering boycotting" Arizona.

Everyone in Oakland is on parole and welfare. The whole city should be fenced and made into a penal colony. Their staying out of Arizona is a huge plus.

Turd,

I notice that you didn't address the point about your use of homosexuality (including pedophilia, which is most commonly homosexual) as an insult.

So...is accusing someone of being a fag an insult in your book? If so, why? If not, why did you do so? Or did you mean to celebrate Republicans by saying they are fags? Hmmm?

"I read that El Paso, Texas and Oakland, California are seriously considering boycotting AZ also."

LA is 'kinda-sorta' boycotting. According to Mayor Tony, they don't want to hurt LA's economy, just Arizona's.

A commission member from Arizona sent Tony a letter, asking if he really wants to go that route. Seeing as Arizona generates 1/4 of the electrical power that the city of LA uses.

Typical liberals, very 'selective' in what they boycott. Like I said earlier, a lot of 'symbolism over substance'. Liberals will take a stand, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them.

Right Lee?

I was in AZ when the fight against MLK was being waged. It wasn't about his skin color, although that is an easy assumption for an outsider to make. First off, he hadn't accomplished anything as great as being a President, winning a revolution, ending slavery etc. He gave great speeches and led popular protests, but not much else. His family and supporters have been making bank off of his reputation since then. The other , and most important, issue was the state truly could not afford another paid holiday. Paid holidays drains everyones coffers. The public and private sector lose money over these holidays.

Finally, istead of his birthday, I always thought his holiday should of been on the day he delivered his "I have a dream..." speech or at the very least on the day he was assinated, memorializing a tragic event in our society, lest we forget.

The core of Arizona's new law mirrors Federal Law with the exception of making it a misdemeanor to pick up illegals off the street for day labor and includes new language about how the law applies to employers and specifies the circumstances under which an officer can question and arrest someone he or she thinks is in violation of the law.

So Lee. . why do you think ILLEGAL aliens should be allowed to be here ILLEGALLY regardless of ethnicity? Do you have a problem comprehending the word ILLEGAL? As in 'not legal' not according to the law, in violation of statutes, the opposite of legal.
They> Have. No. Right. Whatsoever. To. Be. Here. At. All. Period.

Leeward wrote:

The Arizona law is much more broad, and requires the showing of papers without having been arrested first.

Which is absolutely a distinction without a difference for this discussion. The Arizona law requires investigation upon "lawful contact." Both California and Arizona thus require investigation upon "suspicion" that an otherwise lawfully detained individual is an illegal alien.

Leeward's claim that the difference between "lawful contact" and "arrest" makes the Arizona law more "racist" than California's law is specious at best.

The California law says upon arrest or suspicion. Arizona law doesn't require the arrest hurdle.

Big difference, and the GOP used to stand up for individual rights like this - now they bend over for the racists instead.

"The California law says upon arrest or suspicion. Arizona law doesn't require the arrest hurdle."

BULLSHIT AGAIN LEE! Which is it? Arrest? OR MERE SUSPICION? You didn't get it right yesterday, and you're still in the same hole today.

Why not just toddle back off to DK and take your horse crap with you?

And I'm still waiting for your cut and paste job on WHICH PART OF THE AZ LAW IS ILLEGAL.

Come on Mr Bullshit Artist, PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP AND MOVE ON.

Come on now, Lee. ANswer why you are in favor of people breaking the law without consequences?

lee ward - "The California law says upon arrest or suspicion. Arizona law doesn't require the arrest hurdle."

The English language/sentence construction is not your strong suit.

Note the "or" part nitwit.

The Cali law requires one or both.

Don't trouble yourself Marc, Lee has never bothered to READ the law. Falls right in with his Obamassiah and the rest of his group. They don't even READ the legislation they pass.

You notice that President Waffles is now saying that 'the law has the possibility of abuse'.
TRANSLATION: The law is legal.

Choke on it Barry!

Hey Lee! How's your Obamassiah doing?

LET'S SEE "YOUR PAPERS"

KALAMAZOO -- The White House appears to be laying the groundwork for President Barack Obama to shake the hand of each senior at Kalamazoo Central High School's commencement ceremony next month.

Seniors are being asked to provide their birth dates, Social Security numbers and "citizen status" to the Secret Service so background checks could be performed.

NO 'suspicion', NO arrest; Barry just wants to shake their hands (Hell, who'd want to shake HIS hand?).

What's the explanation Lee? President Two-Faced got a good reason for this?

Leeward wrote:

Big difference . . .

I will agree with Leeward in part. The AZ statute as amended specifically says that police may not use race, ethnicity, or national origin as a factor to decide whether there is "reasonable suspicion" to determine if someone is in this country illegally. The CA fails to include that protection, so cops under the CA statute can still use race to make that determination.

Suppose Leeward is going to stop renting movie videos and watching TV as part of his California boycott?

"The CA fails to include that protection, so cops under the CA statute can still use race to make that determination."

Actually, you're full of shit.

None of our laws allow discrimination on the basis of race. Look it up.

And while the California law requires arrest or reason for suspicion the AZ law doesn't. In AZ the copy can stop someone for littering or jaywalking and demand to see their papers - not so in California.

Nice try, asshats. Even when you sit in a circle and feed off each other you still get it wrong.

By the way, the LA mayor just told the AZ racists to F off. lol... looking forward to more asshatted threats of stupidity from the racists in AZ...

"Actually, you're full of shit.

None of our laws allow discrimination on the basis of race. Look it up."

Thus, your statement in post #4 of "Sucks to be state full of racists, don't it Arizona?" has no basis in reality. I. e., you lied to be inflammatory.

"In AZ the cop can stop someone for littering or jaywalking and demand to see their papers - not so in California."

BULLSHIT ASSHOLE! Once again!

If I stopped you for some violation and cite and release you, I'm GOING TO ASK FOR ID (PAPERS!).
You fucking imbecile!

And while the California law requires arrest or reason for suspicion the AZ law doesn't.

Leeward is such an easy mark.

Follow me now, Leeward: The AZ law as amended requires a "lawful stop, detention or arrest." That means that the "stop" under the AZ law has to comply with a Constitutional "stop." The CA law does require an "arrest" (you're wrong [again] in saying that it requires "reason for suspicion"), but does not mention whether or not the arrest is valid. The AZ law bends over backwards in making sure that the "stop" is lawful.

By the way, Leeward, cops have been executing Constitutional "stops" based on "reasonable suspicion" ever since Terry v. Ohio in 1968.

You're in way over your pinhead. Wave the white flag and retreat.

iwogisdead, you should have also included the legal definition of what constitutes "reasonable suspicion".

Leaving Lee to his own devices, he'll fuck that up too. Like Joey Biden, when he doesn't know something, he "just makes shit up".

So Lee. . why do you think ILLEGAL aliens should be allowed to be here ILLEGALLY regardless of ethnicity? Do you have a problem comprehending the word ILLEGAL? As in 'not legal' not according to the law, in violation of statutes, the opposite of legal.
They> Have. No. Right. Whatsoever. To. Be. Here. At. All. Period.

Perhaps at some point you can answer why you do not support the enforcement of the law?