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Mexican President assails Arizona

And members of Congress cheer him for it.

What has happened to my country?

Mexican President Felipe Calderon on Thursday strongly denounced Arizona's new law clamping down on illegal immigrants and urged members of Congress to pass "comprehensive immigration reform."

"I'm convinced comprehensive immigration reform is crucial to securing our border," Calderon said in the first address to Congress by a foreign national leader this year. "But I strongly disagree with the recently adopted law in Arizona." 

"It's a law that not only ignores reality, but also introduces racial profiling as a basis for law enforcement," he said.

What did Congress do when Calderon was falsely smearing the state of Arizona and her citizens?

"It is a law that not only ignores a reality that cannot be erased by decree but also introduced a terrible idea using racial profiling," he said to cheers, mainly from the Democratic side of the chamber.

A foreign head of state comes and craps on America and Democrats in Congress cheer...  led I'm sure by head cheerleader Barack Hussein Obama.

At what point do Americans decide this bullsh*t will no longer be tolerated?

And when I say bullsh*t, I do mean bullsh*t:

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has been ripping into Arizona's immigration law as he tours Washington -- while appearing to disregard the way his own country cracks down on immigrants along Mexico's southern border. 

Mexico repeatedly has been cited by human rights groups for abusing or turning a blind eye to the abuse of migrants from Central America. Until recently, Mexican law made illegal immigration a criminal offense -- anyone arrested for the violation could be fined, imprisoned for up to two years and deported. Mexican lawmakers changed that in 2008 to make illegal immigration a civil violation like it is in the United States, but their law still reads an awful lot like Arizona's. 

Arizona's policy, which Calderon derided on Wednesday as "discriminatory" and assailed again on Thursday, requires law enforcement to try to determine the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant -- provided they are already in contact with that person. They can't randomly stop people and demand papers and the law prohibits racial profiling. 

The Mexican law also states that law enforcement officials are "required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country before attending to any issues." 

Utter and plain idiocy and hypocrisy.

Again I ask, at what point do Americans decide this bullsh*t will no longer be tolerated?

Crossposted at Brutally Honest.


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Comments (68)

All the treasonous bastards... (Below threshold)
914:

All the treasonous bastards need to be shipped straight to North Korea and kicked off the poop deck to fend for themselves. Maybe then they would appreciate what they had and what a GREAT COUNTRY this is!!

fuckers

"What has happened to my... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"What has happened to my country?"

Your country has moved on - past the days when racists could pass any old law that wished.

Feel free to join the rest of us of who condemn racism and do our best to rid our country of bigotry and hatred for their fellow man.

The author's incredulousnes... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

The author's incredulousness is misplaced. Keep in mind that if someone is stupid enough to vote for Democrats then by definition they won't be all that 'outraged' about this latest fiasco.

Lee do the Democrats even h... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Lee do the Democrats even have a solution for ILLEGAL immigration or are they merely the Party of No?

"Lee do the Democrats ev... (Below threshold)
914:

"Lee do the Democrats even have a solution for ILLEGAL immigration or are they merely the Party of No?"

They are the party of illegal behavior so yes, they have a solution. Make all criminal activity legal.

Ah, "move on" - yes. Sound... (Below threshold)
jim2:

Ah, "move on" - yes. Sounds familiar.

What is the purpose of a border, anyway? Old fashioned things, borders. Bush probably made them, one or the other of them.

I wonder if it is illegal f... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

I wonder if it is illegal for armed citizens to defend our border and shoot invaders coming across our borders?

It's a good thing Mexico ha... (Below threshold)

It's a good thing Mexico hasn't criminalized illegal immigration into their country. Why the hypocrisy would be profound now wouldn't it?

#7No... (Below threshold)
914:

#7

No

"Again I ask, at what point... (Below threshold)
SpideyTerry:

"Again I ask, at what point do Americans decide this bullsh*t will no longer be tolerated?"

November maybe?

Eesh, how stupid are these morons to repeatedly show they are against a law that a vast majority of voters support? Oh, right, these are the same morons that rammed through the deeply unpopular Obamacare mess.

"Your country has moved on - past the days when racists could pass any old law that wished."

What about the days where the government recognized laws that have been on the books longer than most baby boomers have been alive? Obviously, you're not aware of this little tidbit, but the Arizona law simply reinforces existing law. Obviously, you, the Obama Administration and the braindead Democrats in Congress aren't aware of that fact. Of course, those that support the law are, but hey, why bring facts into the argument? After all, facts are like kryptonite to liberals, right?

Leeward wrote:<block... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Leeward wrote:

Feel free to join the rest of us of who condemn racism and do our best to rid our country of bigotry and hatred for their fellow man.

I agree!!

That's why Leeward and I are boycotting all California products until that state either repeals Penal Code § 834b or adds language specifically excluding race as a basis to inquire into residency status.

Just like Arizona did.

So when is Lee Ward of the ... (Below threshold)
914:

So when is Lee Ward of the state going to live up to his own proclamation and leave the country?

Lee,I don't think ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee,

I don't think the country has moved on as you put it. I am sure there is some conniving going on in the shadows but I think if Congress thought amnesty was a real popular issue they would not hesitate to take it on particularly in an election year. So, ah, yeah, you're pretty much wrong but nice try.

What is this bullshit about... (Below threshold)
mag:

What is this bullshit about racism???? These illegal aliens are law breakers...regardless that half the politicians back them up. They most certainly deserve to be profile, stop and shipped wherever they came from.

The jerks who cry racism, do they let just anybody come in their homes uninvited?? Would they complain if some people pitched a tent on their lawn and setup "house"...well it is the same thing to allow people into this country who did not follow the law.

And the president of Mexico can go directly to hell. And take Obama with him.

I don't like the Arizona an... (Below threshold)
James H:

I don't like the Arizona anti-immigration law, but I'm not sure I like Calderon so emphatically denouncing it in his visit to Washington. A couple thoughts:

1) I never like foreign dignitaries coming on American soil to loudly decry American laws. If they want to denounce American law on their own turf, more power to them, but doing so here is impolite.

2) That said, I would have no problem with Calderon speaking directly to President Obama, as one head of state to another, to criticize a US law. Heads of state do that when they meet, whether the relevant law regards extradition, immigration, or import taxes.


Ewwwwwwwww! What's that st... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Ewwwwwwwww! What's that stench of diarrhea on Isle #2. OMG! It's Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM).

As to Felipe, when is he going to mention that it's US dollars sent home by ILLEGAL'S that keeps his country afloat? He doesn't give a rat's ass about the people. Follow the money.

#2 racist diatribe-<p... (Below threshold)
914:

#2 racist diatribe-

"Your country has moved on - past the days when racists could pass any old law that wished."


Sorry dumbass, the democrats are in power.

James H-"I... (Below threshold)
914:

James H-

"I don't like the Arizona anti-immigration law,"

Why not james?

I've stated my issues with ... (Below threshold)
James H:

I've stated my issues with it elsewhere, but I'm generally concerned that even with amendments designed to make it more race-neutral, it may not be applied in a race-neutral matter.

mag - "What is this bullshi... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

mag - "What is this bullshit about racism????"

Simple mag, when all you have is BULLSHIT!, that's what you use.

And Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM) is a past master at it.

"it may not be applied in a... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"it may not be applied in a race-neutral matter."

Wow! Can you point out any laws that cannot be applied in such a manner? Damned RACIST! cops! Maybe we should just get rid of ALL laws!

"Your country has moved on ... (Below threshold)
JB:

"Your country has moved on - past the days when racists could pass any old law that wished."

So Lee, when did you stop beating your wife?

Were I a Republican in Cong... (Below threshold)
Jeff Medcalf:

Were I a Republican in Congress, I would get the Mexican immigration laws translated to English, change the titles of the officials and departments involved, and then submit it as the Felipe Calderon Immigration Reform Act. Go ahead, Mexico, critique that one.

"it may not be app... (Below threshold)
James H:
"it may not be applied in a race-neutral matter."

Wow! Can you point out any laws that cannot be applied in such a manner? Damned RACIST! cops! Maybe we should just get rid of ALL laws!

Garand -- don't be ridiculous. Wikipedia distinguishes facial vs. as-applied challenges. With the amendments, I think the law survives a facial challenge. But I remain skeptical that it will survive as-applied challenges when they are brought.

Lee, when the hell are you ... (Below threshold)
John:

Lee, when the hell are you going to say something other than RACIST. Jesus tap dancing Christ your reponse to everything is to call people you don't even know racist. Present an argument in favor of open borders or present a set of facts that show illegal immigration isn't a problem or anything but please stop with the rapid fire racist charge.

So James, why is it you hav... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

So James, why is it you have NO problem with Calif PC Sec 839(b), but DO have problems with Arizona's law?

"Lee, when the hell are you... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Lee, when the hell are you going to say something other than RACIST."

Because he's Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM)

I think Lee and his kind ar... (Below threshold)
John:

I think Lee and his kind are the racists here, they want to keep illegal slave labor on board here. He must be a support of big business and wants to keep their labor costs down so they can continue to get filthy rich and avoid paying taxes. What about it Lee are you all for inslaving illegal aliens? Oh no Lee thinks they should all get magic dust sprinkled on them and become instant Americans. It's all about creating a voting block talk about using people for your own selfish gain. what a BS artist you are.

Which other federal laws should we just ignore, how about the imcome tax law?

James, as to your facial vs... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

James, as to your facial vs applied:

Many years ago I was pushing a Black and White on the morning watch. While traveling along about 2:30am, I overtook a car in front of me. Speed limit was 50mph. Car in front of me was traveling about 25, and weaving back and forth in both lanes. Rear window of the car was tinted and the two front seats were of the 'high back' variety. I pull the car over. Walk up as the driver's window comes down. Driver is a BLACK male, and he reeks of booze. In plain sight on the center console is a shot glass with a liquid in it. On the right passenger seat is a bottle of Hennessey's.

As I ask to see the driver's license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance, he says:

"The only reason you stopped me is because I'm BLACK."

See how easy that is to do?

Garand:To address ... (Below threshold)
James H:

Garand:

To address a couple things. First, I have zero familiarity with the California code section you cite, but I'd be happy to look at it if you'd give me a link.

Second, regarding the person you pulled over, you offer a great example of an incident where race is clearly not a factor in pulling over the person. Sure, he can allege it to your face, but any appellate judge worth his gavel is going to laugh heartily if the defendant tries to raise that argument in court.

If I might counter with a hypo: A law requiring voters to show ID before voting is race-neutral on its face. But if polling officials only demand ID from Irishmen, then it's clear that the law is unconstitutional as it has been applied. The solution isn't to throw out the voter-ID law, but rather to ensure that poll workers do not discriminate against Irishmen.

I have been thinking (scary... (Below threshold)
Stan:

I have been thinking (scary huh) a bit on this matter and have come the conclusion, the left does not really want immigration reform. What they are doing and saying is just a smoke screen for a hidden agenda. Laugh, but has anyone considered all of this grandstanding against Arizona has a purpose?

What is that purpose one may ask? Well to start with the open borders crowd has a lot to gain by letting illegals in. As most of the illegals have been taught, the United States is an imperialist country and we exploit the masses to enrich ourselves. They are also taught that the United States stole the area what is know as the Southwest United States from Mexico. That is pure fantasy.

Another reason the hullabaloo is so loud is that the rich liberals are afraid that they will lose their domestic help and will have to mow and rake their own lawns, also cook their own meals and clean their house Oh the horror!!!!

"The solution isn't to thro... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The solution isn't to throw out the voter-ID law, but rather to ensure that poll workers do not discriminate against Irishmen."

But that's what people want them to do in Arizona. Becasue "It may be abused".

As for Cal PC Sec 834(b)

(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or
leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal
status and provide any additional information that may be requested by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city, county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with
jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly prohibited.

"I don't like the Arizon... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"I don't like the Arizona anti-immigration law,..."

James, first, it's anti illegal immigration.

Second, you say, "But if polling officials only demand ID from Irishmen, then it's clear that the law is unconstitutional as it has been applied. The solution isn't to throw out the voter-ID law, but rather to ensure that poll workers do not discriminate against Irishmen."

The Arizona law is no different. If there is evidence of profiling the idea is to punish it. You don't decide not to do anything because someone 'might' not apply the law correctly. You punish those who don't follow the rules.

(a) Every law enfo... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:
(a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is suspected of being present in the United States in violation of federal immigration laws.

Where the California law differs is that CA law applies to -- and in Arizona there does not have to be an arrest or even a reason to believe the person is here in violation of federal immigration laws.

A police officer in Arizona can decide that because Juan looks Hispanic and has just jaywalked he can be shaken down and questioned.

That's contrary to the law in California and every other state in the nation.

The Arizona law is... (Below threshold)
James H:
The Arizona law is no different. If there is evidence of profiling the idea is to punish it. You don't decide not to do anything because someone 'might' not apply the law correctly. You punish those who don't follow the rules.

Which is precisely what I said above, Oyster. I said this law may not survive as-applied challenges. I have also said that this law will likely survive a facial challenge. This means I am not worried about the law itself, but rather its application.

Do you understand this? Or do I need to illustrate it with finger-puppets?

GarandFan, at least, comprehends the difference and has offered me a fair challenge in statutory interpretation (which I will get to later).

Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM) strikes again!

Lee Ward:... (Below threshold)
James H:

Lee Ward:

A police officer in Arizona can decide that because Juan looks Hispanic and has just jaywalked he can be shaken down and questioned.

I do not believe this is true under the Arizona law, as amended.

GarandFan:I have n... (Below threshold)
James H:

GarandFan:

I have not forgotten about your challenge. I will attend to it this evening (I hope). Right now, I am, alas, required to do at least a little work while I am at work.

Take your time James. No r... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Take your time James. No rush.

These people crossing our b... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

These people crossing our borders are not immigrants they are invaders. If a group of people break into a home, it is called home invasion. A group of people are breaking into our country. It is a Mexican invasion. There are an estimated 20 million invaders currently in our country. Like all invaders they take thing from us and send them home. Obama should be impeached for failing to secure this nation from an invasion of foreigners.

"I do not believe this i... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"I do not believe this is true under the Arizona law, as amended. "

No arrest is needed in Arizona. The 'change' that was made specifically prohibits racial profiling but does nothing to enforce or stop racial profiling from happening.

But in the case of jaywalking the AZ law permits the officer to ask for the citizen's proof of immigration status - and in California the law cited above requires an arrest first.

Hey, if the person has been arrested for a crime I've got no problem requiring proof they're in the country legally, but AZ has gone too far. In Arizona no arrest is required.

Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM) has spoken. Legal expert extraordinaire!

Leeward wrote:<blockq... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

Leeward wrote:

. . . in Arizona there does not have to be an arrest or even a reason to believe the person is here in violation of federal immigration laws.

A police officer in Arizona can decide that because Juan looks Hispanic and has just jaywalked he can be shaken down and questioned.

That is absolutely untrue!

The Arizona law instructs police to inquire into status when there is "REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES."

It also specifically eliminates race and ethnicity as a basis for that "reasonable suspicion."

The CA law says nothing about "reasonable" suspicion nor does it eliminate race as a reason for the "suspicion" to inquire into status.

The AZ law requires that the initial contact by police be a "lawful stop, detention or arrest."

The police have been constitutionally allowed to investigate crime based on "reasonable suspicion" for decades.

More importantly, Leeward's assertion that the AZ law is "racist" because it allows inquiry upon a "lawful stop [or] detention" is nonsense. Either Leeward is very confused or dishonest.

Your nation is now the Unio... (Below threshold)
mathman:

Your nation is now the Union of Soviet Socialist States. The Secretary is Barack Sowetoro.
Forget about freedom. Forget the Declaration of Independence. Forget the Constitution.
We have a new sheriff in town, and he means to create the perfect Universal Socialist Utopia.
Read Animal Farm for details.

Lee Ward,Please en... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

Lee Ward,

Please enlighten us as to your opinions on Mexico's laws on illegal immigration.

Your can compare and contrast them to Arizona's law.
Are Mexico's laws racist, in your opinion?
Do they violate anyone's civil rights?

Come on, give. Some of us want to see just what goes on in your mind.

Sky Captain, Lee 'doesn't d... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Sky Captain, Lee 'doesn't do requests', He's Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM)

Are there any other Califor... (Below threshold)
James H:

Are there any other California laws I should be aware of for comparison?

"Are there any other Califo... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Are there any other California laws I should be aware of for comparison?"

??

834 pretty much covers what you're to do when dealing with a foreign national. There is another section that makes it a felony to present false evidence of citizenship.

A standing ovation from the... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

A standing ovation from the Democrats in Congress to a man that INSULTS one of our States??? A man whose shit-hole country is run by drug trafficers and human trafficers???

Someone on one of the comments above asked: "How much more are Americans going to put up with"? Answer: not much more.

If there must be trouble let it come NOW, so that my children may have peace.

From the Blitzer interview:... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

From the Blitzer interview:
BLITZER: So if people want to come from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, they want to just come into Mexico, they can just walk in?
CALDERON: No. They need to fulfill a form. They need to establish their right name. We analyze if they have not a criminal precedent. And they coming into Mexico. Actually...
BLITZER: Do Mexican police go around asking for papers of people they suspect are illegal immigrants?
CALDERON: Of course. Of course, in the border, we are asking the people, who are you?
And if they explain...
BLITZER: At the border, I understand, when they come in.
CALDERON: Yes.
BLITZER: But once they're in...
CALDERON: But not -- but not in -- if -- once they are inside the -- inside the country, what the Mexican police do is, of course, enforce the law. But by any means, immigration is [not] a crime anymore in Mexico.

- Law enforcement officials at all levels -- by national mandate -- must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

- Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

- That's from a 2006 study on Mexican immigration law, some of which is now out of date. For instance, Calderon was right when he told CNN yesterday that it's no longer a CRIMINAL offense, as it was until last year, to be caught illegally inside the country. But then there's this:
Mexican lawmakers changed that in 2008 to make illegal immigration a civil violation like it is in the United States, but their law still reads an awful lot like Arizona's.

In other words, Felipe is a hypocrite!

Congressman McClintock resp... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Congressman McClintock responds to Felipe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx8gZDwZWs

Watch this video<a h... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/user/McClintockCA04#p/u/0/Ldx8gZDwZWs

McClintock ROCKS!!

Watch the whole thing...but especially the last 90 seconds!!!

GarandFan :)... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

GarandFan :)

Keep the Mexicans.... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Keep the Mexicans.

Deport Lee Ward.

take the Tom McClintock vid... (Below threshold)
Justrand:

take the Tom McClintock video VIRAL folks...please!

Copy and paste it EVERYWHERE!

Foreigners are admitted int... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)
Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)
Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.
Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

"Foreigners may be barred f... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics.""

What a bunch of RACISTS!

"A national Catalog of Fore... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

"A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).
Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)"

FASCISTS!!!!

Playing the LEE game is eas... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Playing the LEE game is easy, isn't it? Ignore reality and pretend its what you want it to be then call people names. Rinse and repeat.

"Which is precisely what... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Which is precisely what I said above, Oyster. I said this law may not survive as-applied challenges. I have also said that this law will likely survive a facial challenge."

James, you also said you do not like the law. With every comment you've offered on the subject you're careful to make sure we understand you do not like it.

I don't need finger puppets. I'm a fairly intelligent person, altough maybe not always quite so articulate. So let me make it a little clearer for you with my crayons. I fully understand your stance. I just think you're being a little too touchy feelie on the issue.

Cops are human. There will be errors. While you are quick to point out aberrant behavior by a few bad cops, I would like to offer that the vast majority do the right thing and while I entrust them with much already, I also entrust them with this one.

Newsflash here though; I would venture to guess that 95% of illegals in Arizona look Mexican and another 4% have a differnt skin hue than your basic lily-white caucasion. Every case is going to look like profiling to someone.

You seem to base your opposition on a distinct minority of bad behaviors by a few cops without committing to whether you think Arizona has the right to enforce this law or whether they even should. One gets the distinct impression that if you had your say, you would deny them this ability to protect their state and its citizens because someone mightprofile.

Tell me I'm wrong and tell me why.

"Hey, if the person has bee... (Below threshold)
914:

"Hey, if the person has been arrested for a crime I've got no problem requiring proof they're in the country legally, but AZ has gone too far. In Arizona no arrest is required"


Then just stay the fuck out!

Yesterday an adjacent town ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Yesterday an adjacent town had it's PD conduct a "DUI checkpoint". Guess what? They ARRESTED 6 people for DUI!

THAT'S PROFILING, AND THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW!

Would that Barry would assa... (Below threshold)
914:

Would that Barry would assail or jobzz deficit with the same vigor.

If he tried for a balanced ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

If he tried for a balanced budget as stridently as he supports violations of immigration law, the deficit woudl be gone by tomorrow. . .

I may not be a racist now b... (Below threshold)
just bob:

I may not be a racist now but by Nov 2012 I can not promise.
And Lee we used to be a nation of laws but your pc police have turned us into a nation of lawless.I despise pretenders such as you and in every day life I crudely tell them to f off and stay away from me.

"I may not be a racist n... (Below threshold)
914:

"I may not be a racist now but by Nov 2012 I can not promise."

I can promise you I am one and will vote that way come November. and if they are lilly white in an obnoxious skinhead way, they may even get some cash.

So he treats his own people... (Below threshold)
Flu-Bird:

So he treats his own people like dirt then denounches arizona for its law? Someone needs to give him a kick in the rear

It appears that most of the... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

It appears that most of the city's backing a 'boycott' are "Amnesty Havens".

Bet their prime motivation is the portion of the Arizona law that calls BULLSHIT! on this and requires every municipality to enforce immigration laws.

They don't want other states (like their own) getting any ideas.




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