"A North Korean sub sinks a South Korean naval ship, the evidence is clear, and the United States of America, under Barack Hussein Obama, says nothing."

"WTF?"

Because "saying something" when there is a potential international crisis is sooo important!

After all, sabre-rattling served our nation so well during the Bush administration! Not!

Well, Obama would be rooting for the communist North and against the democratic South. So there's not all that much he could say in public about it, especially during an election year.

"Because "saying something" when there is a potential international crisis is sooo important!"

It was for the really presidential types, like presidents 1-43. Obama however is busy serving drinks to Caulderon and playing hookie with the wookie.

Ah, yes. More "move on."

Just as the "Lee solution" to illegal immigration is to do away with respecting our nation's borders, his offering here is to do away with respecting treaties with our nation's allies.

Place an eraser on a map, let it "move on" and eliminate a border. Do the same to a treaty.

Isn't that what that Democrat Truman did the last time North Korea attacked South Korea? Or, was that Bush?

Gentlemen,

I am not convinced that it was a North Korean torpedo, fired by a North Korean submarine, operated by the North Korean military, under the command of the North Korean government that allegedly sank a South Korean naval ship.

The evidence is NOT clear and we must NOT rush to judgement.

In addition, it is well kown that the South Korean military is controlled by those evil capitalists. We should be looking more closely at them to see if they sunk their own ship in an attempt to foster ill will to their northern neighbors.

And finally, given the long and peaceful history of the North Koreans, it is simply not believable that the North Koreans would commit this alleged act.

However, since the South Koreans are attempting to stir up trouble between neighboring states, I invite my good friend Kim Jong Il, honored leader of the North Korean nation, and the current flunky running South Korea over to the white house for a Beer Summit.

Nice one Barak!! Now go enjoy your retirement you scourge on society.

The Obama Doctrine, fully Lee Approved:

Hostile Nation run by insane dictator sinks allied nation's naval vessel: Best say nothing because it might be an international crisis

Allied Nation builds an apartment building in their own capitol: Best to condemn them, quickly and often.

How DARE a South Korean Naval veseel run into and damage a DPRK torpedo!

Capitalist american-puppet pigs!!!

7 and 8'

How dare you tell it like it is!! Barry is gonna fairness doctrine your truth telling fingers right off the net!

WHITE HOUSE DECISION MATRIX:
....does this event involve Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Islam, Russia, or China? If YES, then issue an apology, back away, and resume bashing domestic corporations, small businesses, and Tea Party activists.

.... does this event involve Great Britain, France, Israel, South Korea or other "friends" of past administrations? If YES, then issue an apology to the other side, back away, and resume bashing domestic corporations, small businesses, and Tea Party activists.

Cleanup on Isle #1!

Be interesting to know exactly what Obama does know at this point. Are the SK's sharing the info with us?

Of course when Barry does "know", don't expect him to do anything. Well, maybe appoint a commission 'to study the problem'. After all, he's been soooooooooo forceful with the NK's up to now. How many 'sternly worded' messages has he sent?

Interesting thing about dictatorships, they keep pushing the envelope. You back down, they push harder. Maybe another apology is in order?

"Why is this being downplayed?"

Cause Barry is no JFK. He has more important things running about outside his pea sized brain., like jobs for illegals and stimulizing the muslim community by building them taxpayer funded mosques cause we care. That happens per chance to coincide with his predilictive disposition.

Get them damn joos!

Alright good people, Texas hold em time! Take care all, You all are a valued time of My day!!

Jeff

"Why is this being downplayed?"

Because Barrack Hussein Obama is a COWARD!

What does South Korea want the United States to do? In a matter like this, we should take our cues from our ally.

"What does South Korea want the United States to do?"

Real good question. And just how many 'spare' divisions do we have lying around right now?

If it is proved that it was an NK sub, WE have been providing the NK's with FOOD and FUEL for the last several years. Seems their "Worker's Paradise" has problems in those areas. Weren't those items being given in exchange for giving up missile and nuclear weapon development?

Rest assured folks. Obama has focus groups working around the clock on this measuring American opinion to make sure he takes the opposite side.

It's tough you know. He has a full crew on the "Let's Examine This Here 16 Page Arizona Law For A Few Weeks And See If We Can Sue Us A Whole State" detail and people are tired.

Honestly. It just keeps getting worse, doesn't it? Piling insult on injury weekly.

Obama convinced himself that the world will respect everyone and us just by voting democrat. If Obama acknowledges this, his denial and illusion is broken. ww

"What does South Korea want the United States to do? In a matter like this, we should take our cues from our ally."

I disagree. We should act in our own self-interests first and to the extent that we can help and ally we should -- as a secondary consideration to what is best for our nation.

But you don't really believe the BS that the Obama administration is doing nothing, do you?

It's not true.

Obama working with South Korea on response to North Korea

The White House is working with South Korean officials "as they contemplate their next steps" in response to the sinking of a naval ship by North Korea, said Obama administration spokesman Robert Gibbs.

Gibbs declined to specify what those next steps might be, nor did he comment on North Korea's threat that retaliation would trigger "all-out war."

"I don't want to get into a series of hypotheticals," Gibbs said.

President Obama's spokesman said U.S. officials have reviewed the South Korean investigation, and agreed that North Korea engaged in an "act of aggression" that led to the death of 46 sailors.

The attack "further sets back" North Korea, and "further isolates them," Gibbs said.

What we don't need is Bush-style Cowboy Politics. The nation gave a resounding "no" to continuing politics as usual on the international front with the 2008 elections.

"Perhaps someone could pull Obama away from his bash America party with the Mexican President and speak to this in some cogent way. I'm sure the South Koreans would love to hear from America about this."

Uhm, yeah, whatever...

Why such a panic? Give them a few days and they'll figure out who Obey-Won should be bowing to over this. It's all rush, rush, rush with you people. Cripes, he'd never have time for golf for hoops if it were up to you people.

"What we don't need is Bush-style Cowboy Politics. The nation gave a resounding "no" to continuing politics as usual on the international front with the 2008 elections."

How is that hopey changey thing working out for all you o-bots?

For security reasons, not all South Korean or American intelligence efforts directed at surveillance activities of North Korea are publicly disclosed. Depending on the type of mission involved, South Korea may not wish to disclose all that much information unless the mission was in international waters and of a more routine nature.

Nothing will be done, for the same reason that nothing has been done in answer to any of the dwarf dictator's other provocations: about half of South Korea's people and most of its economy are within artillery range of the DMZ. No one wants to risk a sudden mass artillery barrage on a city as large and densely populated as Seoul.

"How is that hopey changey thing working out for all you o-bots?"

Wonderfully, thanks. Last Tuesday the only Democrat Vs Republican election ended with the democrat on top -- and at the same time we saw the TeaBaggers select Rand Paul - who promptly denounced the Civil Rights Act of 1964...

but Teabaggers aren't racist - no, no -- they just think that businesses should be free to ignore the parts of the law which racists feel is unfair.

Thanks for illustrating just how the bigoted in America work today -- under the radar as much as possible, talking about Socialism and our Muslim President while attempting to hide their racist, bigoted ways.

But sometimes they let their guard down and expose themselves for what they really are, as Rand Paul did immediately after winning the primary.

Hope and change has racism and bigotry beat all to hell...

You heard it here first folks. Right from the source.

Lee Ward, BULLSHIT ARTIST!(TM)

I'm just glad McCain isn't president right now. He would have already "suspended" the Calderon visit, and rushed to the Situation Room to confer with Secretary of Defense Tommy Freaking Franks, National Security Advisor Bill Kristol, and Secretary of State Ollie North, then issued a statement proclaiming that "We are all South Koreans now." and then Defcon One.

Next thing ya know the missiles would be a-flyin', Seoul would disappear, Gramps would keel over, and Sarah Palin would take over.

FOX would then put some talking heads on to demonstrate that the whole thing was Bill Clinton's fault.

SHHH! Sarah Palin is the Democratic "secret weapon" -- although Rand Paul seems perfectly capable of destroying the Tea Party movement all by himself -- still, it's the threat of Palin in power that will insure a democratic victory against any ticket that has Palin on it.

Now, if we can just engineer a Paul/Palin ticket in 2012...

Stop that, GarandFan -- you're offending real bullshit.

Wonderfully, thanks. Last Tuesday the only Democrat Vs Republican election ended with the democrat on top

...by a not-big-enough margin, in a state where Democrats greatly outnumber Republicans. Proportionally, it was a disaster.

and at the same time we saw the TeaBaggers select Rand Paul - who promptly denounced the Civil Rights Act of 1964...

Not really. If you had bothered to find out what he actually said, he emphasized (multiple times) that he thought it was the right thing to do, and that he supported civil rights. The only doubtful things he said were on the lines of "worrying about situations where the government can tell a private business what to do," and that was mild at best. If you read anything he says as "denouncing" the Civil Rights Act, you're even further into La-La Land than normal.

But that's okay. Keep living your life by HuffPo headlines, and don't bother with reading or watching the source material. That'll make the Democratic disaster this Fall much, much funnier around here.

lee "weird" - "What we don't need is Bush-style Cowboy Politics."

What we don't need now is Obama-style Gangster Politics,.... i.e. launching missiles from unmanned Predator Drones into civilian populated areas at a rate faster than ever before.

P.S. lee ward... do you have any-damn-thing but a race card to play.

Really, no Micky Mantle rookie card or something?

A get out of jail free card?

Remember, I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said. Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy."

But what Slow Joe Biden kept to himself was the next sentence: "And this incompetent, inexperienced twerp is going reveal to the entire world that he has as much brains and spine as a jellyfish."

"Hope and change has racism and bigotry beat all to hell..."

Just standing here, afraid of black people while clinging to my bible and guns as I read Ward's tripe. Gee Lee, here's some of your hope n' change at work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Re # 29:

Well, I read the source material, and, while "denunciation" may be too strong a word, it wasn't exactly a ringing endoesement, either.

I've also seen some other clips and read some interview excerpts in which Dr Paul says that these matters could have been handled "locally."

As a guy who started out life in the segregated South, I had to laugh at that one. If Dr Paul thinks the local authorities in Birmingham, AL, Jacksonville, FL, or Oxford, MS, were EVER gonna pass a local version of the Civil Rights Act, he's either woefully ignorant of history, or just plain delusional.

Oh, that's right, he's a Libertarian! Delusional it is, then.

Perhaps he wants to give them amnesty and the right to vote too.

I think the South Koreans acted stupidly.

"And just how many 'spare' divisions do we have lying around right now?"

Quite a few and they're already deployed at the North Korean border. Or did you learn history in a public school? We have 28,500 troops stationed in South Korea, left there 60 years ago by Harry S. Truman (a Democrat). Also why is Lee Ward not banned? Must suck to not be a moderator anymore and actually have to argue with those who have better arguments.

I'm actually going to agree with Lee at #1, kind of. I have no doubt that there's significant backchannel traffic between the WH and SK - if there isn't, then I'd be horribly surprised.

We need to wait on this one. Obama's probably hoping the whole mess is going to blow over, that way he won't have to commit one way or another.

And frankly, I think any way he'd initially commit would be wrong. So I'm glad to see him taking all the time he needs...

Barrack Obama post 5

"I am not convinced that it was a North Korean torpedo, fired by a North Korean submarine, operated by the North Korean military, under the command of the North Korean government that allegedly sank a South Korean naval ship. "

This is your teleprompter speaking. Let me fix that statement for you.

"I am convinced that the south Korean ship jumped infront of a perfectly harmless Nk missile fired by a NK sub under orders of the NK govt. The SK ship was made so shoddily using nonunion labor that it sank of its own violition. In addition, since the SK ship and the NK Sub and the NK torpedo were all made 2 years ago then it is obviously Pres Bush's fault. "

Lee Ward

"Last Tuesday the only Democrat Vs Republican election ended with the democrat on top "

You mean that dem that ran on a progun, anti Obamacare, prolife platform?

Is that the dem to which you are referring?

Do you even believe what you write?

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Bruce Henry, I actually feel sorry for you having folks like Lee Ward on your side. It just diminishes any valid point (not that you have had one in a while) which you occasionally make (the one above not being one of those times).

When asked for comment, President Obama responded, "Present"

To which invalid point are you referring, RM?

The one about how McCain would have screwed this up already?

Or the one about how Rand Paul is a delusional ignoramus?

The first one might be arguable, but the second is pretty obviously true.

You may disagree with Mr Ward, but he's not the one who talks batshit, like, "Well, Obama would be rooting for the communist North and against the democratic South."

If one of us should feel sorry for the other for their "allies", RM, I'm happy to claim Mr Ward. You, on the other hand, are stuck with Tsar Nicholas.

In actuality, this situation is valuable practice for when Iran builds a nuclear weapon and starts hassling shipping in the Persian Gulf.

I think the better question is, why does the DPRK suddenly feel comfortable with escalating from acts of provocation to full-scale acts of war? What change in geopolitical structure occurred that revised Lil Kim's calculation of risk vs. reward for such a blatantly belligerent action?

I think we have a North Korean Vole in the White House.

"...why does the DPRK suddenly feel comfortable with escalating from acts of provocation to full-scale acts of war?"

What's Kim got to lose? At worst, he'll get another 'stern warning' from Barry. No one really wants Kim's "hell hole on earth"...pardon, "Worker's Paradise".

Obama ignores this because it is just another distraction - like Iran getting nukes - from his master plan to destroy capitalism.

And also because he is a spineless weasel.

Nothing will be done, for the same reason that nothing has been done in answer to any of the dwarf dictator's other provocations: about half of South Korea's people and most of its economy are within artillery range of the DMZ. No one wants to risk a sudden mass artillery barrage on a city as large and densely populated as Seoul.

I agree. It should be also noted that the south Korean military of over 500,000 active duty and 3 million reserve is not a part of the US military. They are their own military who make decisions dealing with their own situations. They also have much more modern equipment in regards to tanks, ships, and airplanes.

The thing is that a war would be suicidal for both nations. If South Korea attacked they would have to deal with an indoctrinated nation that would resist to the end. As well as a barrage of artillery and missiles that would set the region on fire. Since the shells would consist of high explosive and chemical warheads being shot at major cities and population centers of both Japan and South Korea. Not to mention the few nukes north Korea has.

To think that war and escalation is a good idea between one of the two highest militarized societies on the planet is just idiotic. In such a war, no one would win. It would literally start a regional war if China joins it's off again on again ally if the Japanese counter attacked. It would also escalate into a hot war if Japan, North Korea, China, or the USA are on the verge of defeat or just want to retaliate. People forget that Japan has the capability to create nuclear weapons fast. They don't because they are members of the NPT and their constitution prohibits it. Yet they are still a nuclear power to most security analysts.

In either event. South Korea doesn't want war. It's ultimate goal is reunification. A war between the to would destroy any notion of a "Korean people". So what do you think Obama should say in regards to an ally of ours who have their own sovereign interests at stake? We don't dictate to our allies how to kill their own people.

Those that advocate for war are usually the biggest cowards. As long as the war is "over there" the chicken hawks will cluck. If a war was ever over here they would never entertain the thought again. Much less utter the word "war" in any positive way.

GeneralChoochoo
Who is advocating war?

To respond to bruce and lee would be a waste of..........

"waste of.........."

Our time!

"waste of.........."

Electrons.

"waste of.........."

Seriously, guys -- every time you line up to play whack-a-troll, the page gets longer and l o n g e r and it takes forever to scroll down to something on-topic.

The thing is that a war would be suicidal for both nations. If South Korea attacked they would have to deal with an indoctrinated nation that would resist to the end. As well as a barrage of artillery and missiles that would set the region on fire. Since the shells would consist of high explosive and chemical warheads being shot at major cities and population centers of both Japan and South Korea. Not to mention the few nukes north Korea has.
To think that war and escalation is a good idea between one of the two highest militarized societies on the planet is just idiotic.

Yeah, if we just don't talk about it, it'll all go away and the unicorns and kittehs can frolic unafraid.

I'm starting to doubt your sanity, Choomin. Nobody here thinks that war's a good thing, or saying it'd be a good thing, or even implying that it would be anything less that a total friggin' disaster. The question is just HOW big a disaster, what direction it's going to come from, what's going to set it off, whether it's a fucking blackmail attempt by Kim to get more crap he's never going to pay for, or what.

And what China's going to do - and why - sooner or later the shit is going to hit the fan over there. The question is then, where is it all going to spread?

Is your thinking at a point where ANY mention of war = advocacy for war? If so, you might want to try checking out reality once in a while, and you'll find it's a place where 'good intentions' and 'good ideas' don't always yeild good results. Where you actually have to SOLVE problems, instead of holding up signs protesting the cause of the week, then go home and expect someone else to do the heavy lifting now you've 'spoken truth to power'.

How do YOU spell i-n-c-o-m-p-e-t-e-n-c-e?

But seriously, think about it: do we really want a "proactive" 0-Bambi?

This clown is in so far over his head, doing nothing is quite likely the best thing we could ask for.

Rest assured, they'll be bigger issues he'll duck-out on.

Sec of State Clinton responded today, but as the paper noted, 'the response was vague'.

Of course it was. Vague as in "Hope the hell this goes away in a couple of weeks and people forget about it."

In other great news for "Smart Diplomacy", Brazil and Turkey told the US to go get fucked and will be supplying the Iranians with enriched nuclear fuel.

Can't blame 'em. People tend to want to hang out with winners.