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Obama spiritual advisor: Tea Party not Christian

Jim Wallis:

The insurgent Tea Party and its Libertarian philosophy is a political phenomenon, not a religious one. Like the Democratic and Republican parties it seeks to challenge, it is a secular movement, not a Christian one. As with both major political parties, people who regard themselves as Christians may be involved in, or sympathetic to, the new Tea Party; but that doesn't make it "Christian." But like the philosophies and policies of the major political parties, the Tea Party can legitimately be examined on the basis of Christian principles -- and it should be.

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Is such a philosophy Christian? In several major aspects of biblical ethics, I would suggest that Libertarianism falls short.

He goes on to enumerate 5 specific reasons:

1. The Libertarian enshrinement of individual choice is not the pre-eminent Christian virtue. Emphasizing individual rights at the expense of others violates the common good, a central Christian teaching and tradition.

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2. An anti-government ideology just isn't biblical.

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3. The Libertarians' supreme confidence in the market is not consistent with a biblical view of human nature and sin.

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4. The Libertarian preference for the strong over the weak is decidedly un-Christian.

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5. Finally, I am just going to say it. There is something wrong with a political movement like the Tea Party which is almost all white.

The straw men here are numerous and obvious.  This is a rant meant to do nothing more than smear a movement that speaks truth to the power and danger of big government and Jim Wallis, a marxist in sheep's clothing, is doing his level best to counter their arguments as only he can... telling half-truths and whole lies while pretending to be open-minded, tolerant and interested in dialog.

The man is a joke, his arguments weak and his intentions clear.

Mr. Wallis, people see through your lies and smears and more importanly, see you for what you are.  Glen Beck has nailed you and the pretenders that are your followers and psychophants.

Crossposted at Brutally Honest.


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Comments (21)

Beck does a nice job of fis... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

Beck does a nice job of fisking Wallis' nonsense, but it can never be said that Libertarianism is a "Christian" movement in any sense. There is a certain congruence with the Tea Party limited government philosophy, but Libertarians are adamant for abortion on demand, support gay marriage, and see no federal role in controlling child pornography on the internet.

"telling half-truths and wh... (Below threshold)

"telling half-truths and whole lies"

Maybe you mean "WHITE lies"? Seriously, why hasn't anyone challenged the white lie-spewing liberals to visit ZombieTime and browse his huge archive of anti-war protest photos, then count the black people and report back to us about the "racism" of the anti-war movement.

As usual, Wallis tries to say something right, but loses it in his pro-socialist, uber-liberal politics.

He is absolutely correct in that America's "rugged individualism" (as Rush Limbaugh describes it) is counter to the community of faith as understood by the church. The Bible calls us to be Kingdom builders, which demands that we enter into community with one another and support one another, as well as engage in open friendship with those not in the church. In other words, you won't find "rugged individualism" anywhere in Scripture.

However, God is not a socialist. Wallis and his ilk completely miss the mark when they mistake cradle to grave nanny state socialism for God's Kingdom. Apparently they do not understand that they are guilty of the worst kind of idolatry, which is transforming the state into God by expanding it into an entity that provides for our every need, even to the point of making life or death decisions.

Wallis and other liberal Christians struggle with the separation between the Kingdom and the empire. While Christians should live in such a way as to continue building the Kingdom, we would be committing an extremely grave error to assume that we can turn over the work of the Kingdom to the human empire. The empire (or "powers and principalities", whatever you want to call it) is thoroughly corrupted by original sin and will never be able to accomplish the work of God. It will always be opposed to the ideals of the Kingdom and can never do the Kingdom's work. 100 million dead at the hands of Communism testify to this truth. How Christians like Wallis can completely miss this simple fact is beyond my understanding.

Wallis' intention is to try... (Below threshold)

Wallis' intention is to try to drive Christians away from the "godless" Tea Party movement, but as Rick says people see through his and won't be fooled.

The truth is that nothing in Christ's teachings supports the transfer of the individual's moral obligations to the State -- He only said "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's," which is a long way from a blanket endorsement of State power.

He states it's not a Christ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

He states it's not a Christian movement, but he then says it's fair to examine it on the basis of what he says it isn't - Christian principles.

There's a lot to fisk there, but on point two he finishes with "Of course, debating the size and role of government is always a fair and good discussion, and most of us would prefer smart and effective to "big" or "small" government."

Hello? That's exactly the point of the tea party movement. Government is too big and, in growing as it has, it has abdicated its primary roles and become little more than an income redistributor. The tea party platform is not "NO TAXES" or "NO GOVERNMENT". It's "LESS TAXES" and "SMALLER GOVERNMENT".

The more taxes one pays for the government to act as a charitable institution the less one has to be charitable themselves.

This guy is hardly worth the effort. I don't know why I bother.

If the Tea party is fundame... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

If the Tea party is fundamentally Christian, I don't think you need to look farther for a better leader than Tim D'Annunzio who has modestly

claimed (according to the GOP) to be the Messiah, tried to raise his stepfather from the dead, believed God would drop a 1,000-mile high pyramid as the New Jerusalem on Greenland, and found the Ark of the Covenant in Arizona.

and importantly won a GOP Congressional primary in North Carolina in May, and wants to "abolish the Departments of Education, Health and Human Services, Agriculture, Energy, Labor, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Transportation, Treasury, and Home Land Security," and the IRS".

Sarah Palin better get her act together if she wants to outflank D'Annunzio and continue to get maximum attention from the 'bible belt'.

If you are a good Christian... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

If you are a good Christian that means you don't believe in individual choice\will? Give me a break.

I am ok with a politician who wants to express their beliefs and talk about how a religion influence them. However they need to stay away from telling me what to believe and how to interpret my religion. Where are the separation of Church and State fanatics? Obama is not my spiritual leader and he should stay the f*@k away from trying to be my spiritual leader.

Could you imagine Bush saying you are not a Christian if you appose me or my policies?

There nothing Christian abo... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

There nothing Christian about taking money from someone else who has eared it and by force giving it to idle hands.

May the Lord lead your hearts into a full understanding and expression of the love of God and the patient endurance that comes from Christ.Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with labor and hardship we kept working night and day so that we would not be a burden to any of you;ot because we do not have the right to this, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you, so that you would follow our example.For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.For we hear that some among you are leading an undisciplined life, doing no work at all, but acting like busybodies.Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to work in quiet fashion and eat their own bread.But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary of doing good.If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of that person and do not associate with him, so that he will be put to shame. 2 Thessalonians 3:10
If you are a go... (Below threshold)
If you are a good Christian that means you don't believe in individual choice\will? Give me a break.
I know. So much for, "Sinner, repent!", given that one must ... er ... choose to repent.
Let's look at those six bog... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Let's look at those six bogus claims that liberty and Christianity are mutually exclusive:

1. The Libertarian enshrinement of individual choice is not the pre-eminent Christian virtue. Emphasizing individual rights at the expense of others violates the common good, a central Christian teaching and tradition.
In the Bible we see over and over again that individuals are asked to make a choice Deut 30:19 "...I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life." and Joshua 24:15 "...choose for yourselves this day who you will serve..."

We are continually urged to make the right choice, but we are presented with choices throughout the Bible. To postulate that individual liberty is not a Biblical value is absurd. God gave us a choice and we are called to make choices. We even have the liberty to make the most evil choices possible. Barry would be an example of that freedom.

2. An anti-government ideology just isn't biblical.
Really? What about the parable of the unjust judge? Are we to just roll over in the face of corruption and injustice? Has this idiot ever read the Bible?


3. The Libertarians' supreme confidence in the market is not consistent with a biblical view of human nature and sin.

Actually, if you think about it the idea of sin is that it bears consequences (negative ones). The market is based on the supposition that bad behavior bears negative consequences. Behavior that is beneficial will be rewarded in the market. It seems to me that rather than being anti-Biblical market economics is itself a wonderful parable to sin and the consequences of sin.

4. The Libertarian preference for the strong over the weak is decidedly un-Christian.
I suppose if you take an ignorant and wooden reading of the Bible you would think this. There are many places where the Bible tells us that God will lift up the weak and that in our weakness He is strong. But the point is that ultimately our strength is not our own but it comes from God. In our weakness His strength and glory are revealed. But He calls upon the strong to protect the weak. He calls upon those who lead to serve the needs of those who follow. For the small minded it is hard to see how strength is seen not simply as a measure of individual accomplishment, but it is a combination of the individual effort and God's blessing.

Libs like to characterize Christians as required to be everyone's doormat. Such a view could not be further from the truth.


5. Finally, I am just going to say it. There is something wrong with a political movement like the Tea Party which is almost all white.

But nothing wrong with MSNBC's TV lineup, which actually IS all white. Here the author removes all doubt and shows himself to be a shameless bigot and hypocrite.

Mr. Wallis is a politician.... (Below threshold)
Ken Hahn:

Mr. Wallis is a politician. To call him Reverend, as it would be with Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, is unconstitutional. It would violate the separation of church and state.

Since all of obama's promis... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Since all of obama's promises seem to come with expiration dates I wonder what his "spiritual adviser" has to say about how Biblical lying is?

Of course to be completely honest there is a lot of lying in the Bible: Ananias and Sephira, Potiphar's wife... In fact the devil is referred to as the Father of Lies.

So I guess Barry stands in good company with the Pharisees, misrepresenting religion for his own purpose and twisting the Bible to further his own personal greed.

Given the type of people Ba... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Given the type of people Barry has chosen as his 'spiritual advisers', one always has to wonder as to the 'qualities' of his other advisers.

No confessed <a href="http:... (Below threshold)

No confessed Jew-hater is going to instruct me about Christianity -- anyone who hates the Jews is obviously no Christian.

Bryan,Socialists a... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Bryan,

Socialists and communists like to point to the Bible and the early church of Acts and say that the early Christians were socialists. However they are sadly wrong. Socialists and communists believe that their way is the right way and the only way. Further they believe that it is their responsibility to force everyone else to live under despotic socialist and communist rules.

The early church on the other hand shared with each other out of a true desire to help and assist those in need. There was no coercion.

Libs believe that coercion is OK. They believe that in the name of being right you can force anyone to do anything. That is contrary to Christian thought.

Stop using the bible for th... (Below threshold)
Bible Thumper:

Stop using the bible for this nonsense. You are taking the Lord's name in vain.

Give unto Caesar that which is his. Give unto God which is His.

Pay your taxes to the government because your worldly possessions and your money are not important and will not get you into the Kingdom of Heaven.

To bring us back to the beg... (Below threshold)
boqueronman:

To bring us back to the beginning, the quote from Wallis begins thusly "The insurgent Tea Party and its Libertarian philosophy is a political phenomenon, not a religious one." And then he goes on to contradict the original thesis by concluding that the Tea Party is "unchristian." Once having turned all the corners and gotten completely lost he goes on to explain how apples are different from oranges... excuse me, how the Tea Party is not just unchristian, but is, if fact, anti-christian. All this while having originally said the Tea Party was a "political phenomenon." I know informal logic is not a strong suit of the post-modern Progressives, but... really, Dude, stick to your day job of magically transforming sows' Progressive ears into Christian silk purses! It's not worth any time to deal with his attempts to tar the Tea Party with the Libertarian brush absent a convincing argument. The fact that some Libertarians may show up and/or speak does not make it a "Libertarian movement!"

Good comments above. My ha... (Below threshold)
kevino:

Good comments above. My hats off to ak4mc: "The truth is that nothing in Christ's teachings supports the transfer of the individual's moral obligations to the State."

Well said.

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The article itself is a riot. It fisks itself.

Thats right! I admit it, I ... (Below threshold)
914:

Thats right! I admit it, I will neverr bow below the hips to a black man who pretends to be presidential but is really just a jac ass a napes in thief!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His penchant for picking th... (Below threshold)
Sadie:

His penchant for picking the worst of religious advisers is simply stunning. Rather than go from A to Z - he's stuck on 'W' Wright & Wallis & WRONG.

I find it amusing that are ... (Below threshold)

I find it amusing that are arguing over ancient Roman war propaganda as it were "real" in any sense. If you doubt this, visit Titus - I am making the case there, however most of it is not yet up yet. It will be soon. BTW, a libertarian is someone who does not believe in the initiation of force, the rest of it is pretty much up to them.

FYI, the "son of man" refers to Titus Flavius, an emperor of Rome...

Jim Wallis has a Marxist hi... (Below threshold)

Jim Wallis has a Marxist history and he probably still is a Marxist deep down in his little race-baiting heart.

1. The statist's contempt for individual choice is an anathema to the Judeo-Christian worldview. Giving the state more and more power at the expense of individual liberty puts individuals at greater and greater risk of religious oppression.

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2. Statist, Marxist and socialist ideology just isn't biblical.

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3. The Statists' supreme confidence in government is not consistent with a biblical view of human nature and sin.

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4. The Statist's preference for the strong government over the weak individual is decidedly un-Christian.

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5. Finally, I am just going to say it. There is something wrong with a religious movement that compulsively plays the race card.




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