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Ships Of Fools, Part II

The stated purpose of the "peace flotilla" to Gaza was to bring much-needed "relief supplies to the people there. This was, of course, a lie. The "supplies" were not critically needed stuff (especially the cases and cases of expired pharmaceuticals and worn-out equipment), and Israel tried to deliver it to Gaza after unloading and inspecting it -- and Hamas refused to allow it into Gaza.

No, the purpose of the convoy was to break the Israeli blockade, so the flow of weapons into Gaza can resume for the next attack on Israel. Fortunately, the Palestinians lived up to their national motto -- "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" -- and blew it. Had they been smart, they'd have made sure the ships were carrying actual, useful aid, not put up any resistance to the Israelis, and accepted the supplies across the border. After several of these incidents, then Israel might have succumbed to the pressure and eased up the blockade. But instead they had to put their dumb (hell, suicidal) pride ahead of strategic interests, let a bunch of militant hotheads start a fight with armed Israeli commandos, and blew the whole plan to crap.

But back to the people of Gaza. What did they do to merit this blockading?

Well, they chose to have Hamas as their legally elected government.

Hamas? Who's that?

Well, for a short (but entertaining) answer, we can turn to FrankJ of IMAO. But for a bit more accurate one, let's look at their own words and deeds.

Hamas is, first and foremost, a radical Islamist terrorist group. They are a part of the Muslim Brotherhood, dedicated to turning "Palestine" (defined as Gaza, the West Bank, and all of Israel) into an Islamist state, with Sharia law supreme. As part of their efforts to achieve this, they intend to kill or drive out (the former preferred) all the Jews. They also explicitly reject all attempts at negotiations, accomodations, compromises, settlements, or anything else short of complete, genocidal victory.

If this sounds like hyperbole, it's simply a Reader's Digest Condensed version of their own charter.

Yes, Hamas also does other things besides terrorism. Yes, they do a few good things as well. But that is irrelevant. Their devotion to terrorism trumps everything else. To say otherwise, to say that their non-terrorist acts (done mainly as PR to counter the terrorism) is to set up an exchange rate for terrorism. "OK, Hamas, you built a hospital, two schools, and five clinics. That means you can fire six dozen rockets and blow up five buses. Go over that, though, and you'll have to build a senior center."

So Hamas is a terrorist group. But they are also the duly elected government of the Gaza Strip. What does that mean?

It doesn't mean that they have suddenly been whitewashed. That election does not erase their terrorist past (and present). Rather, it means that were Gaza an actual nation, it would be a terrorist nation, much like the Taliban was in Afghanistan. When we recognized them as the legitimate governing body, that put us under no obligation to deal with them. On the contrary -- under existing laws regarding dealings with terrorist organizations, it put severe restrictions on any interactions.

One commenter noted that currently Hamas has a declared "cease fire" going on with Israel. That, too, is meaningless. Groups like Hamas make those declarations when it's convenient for them. That means when they've run low on weapons or Israel is kicking their asses or something.

Note that unlike most other cease fires, it's not something that both sides agree to. Israel is never consulted on whether or not they want a cease fire. And Israel's calls for these cease fires are never heeded.

Why not? Because it's against Muslim law and tradition. "Hudnas" are temporary agreements, made when Muslims are at a disadvantage. They last only as long as it takes for the Muslims to believe they have gained the advantage, and then they are over.

The biggest challenge we face in dealing with Hamas is the inability of many people to actually listen to and read what Hamas says, and take them at their word. To so many, they feel the need to "interpret" what Hamas says, to downplay their rhetoric, to say that they really don't mean what they say.

Bullshit.

Hamas has shown, time and time and time again, that they mean exactly what they say. They have show, time and time and time again, that they have absolutely no interest in anything short of the complete obliteration of Israel, the slaughter of every single Jew, and the institution of an Islamist state in its place.

And the people of Gaza have affirmed their support for that agenda.

As long as Hamas remains the legitimate government of Gaza, embargoes and blockades of all but true humanitarian aid is not a war crime.

Rather, it is absolutely imperative.


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Comments (9)

"And the people of Gaza ... (Below threshold)
914:

"And the people of Gaza have affirmed their support for that agenda."

After thier little pep fest in the streets on 911, I could not care less if they disappeared off the face of the Earth. Matter of fact, why are these mongrels still breathin?

Man Barry looks older and e... (Below threshold)
914:

Man Barry looks older and even unwiser lately. He's pouring out his bleeding heart liberalness on CNN Baghadad. Hes giving out more benefits for the unemployed.. I wish he was collecting so I could cut his payments today!

Another loser is the credib... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Another loser is the credibility of those who quickly and loudly condemn Israel's actions. The facts and video came out and shot their condemnations all to hell. Just one more example of their bias and makes it that much harder to believe anything they say in the future.

"say otherwise, to say that... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"say otherwise, to say that their non-terrorist acts (done mainly as PR to counter the terrorism) is to set up an exchange rate for terrorism."

So? That's exactly what the libs want to do! They want to be able to excuse wrong doing by counterballancing it with beneficial acts. So Ted Kennedy killed Mary Jo Kopechne? We can excuse him for decades of public service. So Che Guevera murdered over 1800 innocent people? He makes cool t-shirts!

The libs will excuse victim groups because they have suffered in generations past (note that the people of today may not have suffered but the corrupt or thuggish ancestors will be excused based on what their ancestors suffered).

Basically, the libs want to escape the consequences of their actions. They want to excuse others for their excesses as a pretext for their own claims that they too should be excused. Note that they don't want to be forced to do something to make amends, they want to find something in their existing behavior that they already benefit from to claim the excuse.

Fortunately, the ... (Below threshold)
Brett Buck:
Fortunately, the Palestinians lived up to their national motto -- "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" -- and blew it. Had they been smart, they'd have made sure the ships were carrying actual, useful aid, not put up any resistance to the Israelis, and accepted the supplies across the border. After several of these incidents, then Israel might have succumbed to the pressure and eased up the blockade. But instead they had to put their dumb (hell, suicidal) pride ahead of strategic interests, let a bunch of militant hotheads start a fight with armed Israeli commandos, and blew the whole plan to crap.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the Palestinian POV. This is only self-defeating if you think the goal is to live in peace with the Israelis. Taken from that perspective, they have indeed pissed away opportunity after opportunity, and utterly failed to achieve that goal.

But living in peace with the Israelis is *the very last* thing they want. If you think the goal is to eliminate Israel entirely regardless of the cost, then their actions are completely understandable and logical. They pretend to negotiate for peace so they can at least argue that they are trying, get some concessions, concede some stuff themselves. The Israelis generally live up to their part of the agreement, the Palestinians renege and never even planned to live up to theirs. The count on their Arab "brothers" and the "world community" with their intrinsic anti-semitism to back them up and make sure the Israelis end up having to stick with their commitments. So the Palestinians get some movement in their direction. Then they start the cycle again, gain more concessions, creep back a little closer to the goal. Just look at their position 30 years ago, and compare to now. On some level, it's working.

Of course it's ultimately going to fail and of course it ultimately suicidal to you and me. Until recently (i.e until November 2008), it was patently absurd that they could actually win. Now, it's still very unlikely, but not entirely out of the question. With no strength of will necessary to stop Iran, as crazy as they are, they could pose a genuine threat to Israel, and the next big war might actually come out the Palestinian's way. OF course their "Arab brothers" will treat them with the same disdain they always have and they won't be any better off in any tangible way, but it's possible that Israel will no longer exist.

"OF course their "Arab b... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"OF course their "Arab brothers" will treat them with the same disdain they always have and they won't be any better off in any tangible way, but it's possible that Israel will no longer exist. "

You mean Israel won't roll over and concede - negotiate - give in - rather than face an all out war and the destruction of their country?

Just -- like -- the Palestinians in Gaza?

Since neither side is going to back down a compromise is in order.

Since November, 2008 there is now a chance that peace will finally come to this conflict.

Lee, for once, educate your... (Below threshold)

Lee, for once, educate yourself. The entire history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is littered with Israeli compromises, concessions, "good faith gestures," and the like. And it's gotten them nothing but more and more dead Israelis.

On the other hand, the Palestinians have never kept a single promise they've made at the peace table, and are never held accountable for it.

Finally, the Hamas charter explicitly rejects that.

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

So, why exactly do you hold any hope at all in "negotiations" and "compromise?"

Unless, of course, you agree with Hamas' stated goal of the obliteration of Israel. That would explain it.

J.

"So, why exactly do you ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"So, why exactly do you hold any hope at all in "negotiations" and "compromise?"",/i>

Well, because an era of change has arrived.

We no longer have Bush in the White House.

Republicans aren't interested in a compromise solution, Obama is, as you so amply demonstrate.

The Gaza Strip has been blockaded by Israel and Egypt since June 2007, when Hamas formed the Palestinian government of March 2007 after the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, and then took control of the Gaza Strip in the course of the Battle of Gaza (2007)[1] by seizing government institutions and replacing Fatah and other government officials with its own.[2] It immediately followed the 2006-2007 economic sanctions against the Palestinian National Authority following the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. Egypt lessened its blockade restrictions starting in June 2010.

Bush's reign of terror in the middle east begat the Hamas rise to power in 2006, which in turn motivated Israel to take a strong hand against the Palestinians in Gaza while Bush was in power.

Now, with Obama in the WH, we see more calls for a compromise solution.

"So, why exactly do you hold any hope at all in "negotiations" and "compromise?"

Unless, of course, you agree with Hamas' stated goal of the obliteration of Israel. That would explain it."

Think your way through it, Jay - show everyone that you're more than just a 12 year old spitball hurler. You're not making sense here.

I agree with Hamas that Israel should be obliterated? Grow up. A compromise can be negotiated without either side being obliterated. Put down the comic books and think.

"There is no solut... (Below threshold)
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Negotiate with THAT, Lee. It's from Hamas' charter, and has been since their inception -- before George W. Bush ever ran for public office.

The world did not begin on January 20, 2001.

J.




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