Lee...in this case he is the Fire Chief. The building is ON FREAKING FIRE. OK?

Shouldn't he want to talk about putting the GD fire out BEFORE talking about future fire-safety???

What else would you expect from the most anti-capitalistic and the most anti-American public official in U.S. history?

Here Lee Ward let me save you some trouble.

Republicans were for clean energy before a black man became President.

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BTW Lee when is yours and Obama's new movie come out?

You know the one where Obama plays kick ass and you play his faithful sidekick Suckass.

"Republicans and Democrats both understand the need to reduce our nation's dependence on foreign oil"

Lee is that why Obama put a stop to new domestic offshore production while Mexico, China and other nations run around the gulf of Mexico getting their oil needs met?

LEe Ward

" One thought ponies"

Let me buy you a clue.

RACISM.

Barry should dress like a pirate the next time he's down on the gulf. Have a parrot on his shoulder "Awk! Cap and Trade! Awk! No more drilling, Awk! Cap and Trade! Awk! No more oil! Awk!"

Yeah, that will really help the economy rebound. In China.

As for Lee, why continue to talk to a person with his head so far up his ass he needs to email his eyes to tell them to blink.

"Meaning - no, you don't have to wait until the high waters recede before you start talking about preventing the next flood"

How about fixing the flood we have now???

How about the miles of oil boom in a Maine warehouse that the Obama administration knew about weeks ago yet it is STILL THERE in the MAINE WAREHOUSE.

Where is Barrack OIL BOOM Obama on that subject?

Lee, Obama has shown ZERO ability to do anything other than read a teleprompter.

Has he waived the Jones Act? Nope. Did he wait a MONTH before mobilizing major resources...even though pleaded with to do so by Governor Jindal? Yup. Did he instruct the Army Corps of Engineers to stand down and allow Jindal to get berms built? Nope.

Barry is a worthless piece of shit. 2012 can't come fast enough. Or the revolution...and I'm caring less and less which comes first!

What, what?

You expect these left-handed circus clowns to let a crisis go to waste?

This was Barrys goal from day one. Use big oil to further his takeover utopia, just like GM. Looks pretty crystal clear now doesn't it and it sure smells like rotten sick individuals behind this, especially Hussein.

How much anyone wanna bet Barrys third party BP PAYOFF decider ends up having ties to Barrys shady past and thus Barry and his thug corpse end up with a tidy "gift" for the 2012 elections and Mr. Ears ends up with 100 mil for his unpresidential library of shame?

It's foolish to think the energy plan being pushed by Obama will be anything but a disaster for this nation. It's misguided and based on the junk science of AGW.

Republicans were for clean energy before a black man became President.

Just not enough to, you know, actually DO anything. But they said they were for it, or at least didn't say they were against it. Most of the time. When on camera.

"Drill baby drill" is a liberal media myth! (oh no, I understand, it's really short for "We have to keep drilling because we eventually need to switch from oil. We just don't want to put any money into solar or wind because hippies like that.")

As for pushing his agenda, sure. That's what he was elected to do. His agenda is also more likely to get us off oil than merely trying to drill our way out of it, while paying lip service to alternative energy.

Lee ward

"Should a president look ahead, beyond the crisis on his desk now and ahead to preventing it from happening again?"

Not hard to say "No more oil drilling " to stop future oil spills.

How about trying to solve the problem on his desk first and then apply what works to future problems. But then OMG he would have to actually DO SOMETHING about the problem on his desk now.

"We just don't want to put any money into solar or wind because hippies like that.")"

You make it cost effective I will buy it. In the meantime use the oil we have near shore and on land instead of in mile deep water wear its extremely difficult to plug that damned hole.

Every since the first oil well was drilled in the United States, oil has been the bogeyman. First it replaced the whale oil lamp, because it was cheaper and burned a brighter flame. Oil was cheaper to produce too and by that time whales were getting kind of scarce. Then oil replaced coal as the main source of heat for homes and factories. Then came the car (horseless carriages), which replaced the horse and wagon and made transporting goods faster and cheaper. That almost put the railroads out of business.

Now the question I want to ask Lee Ward, is this: What is going to replace oil to make the transportation of goods cheaper? Sure the hell isn't going to be electric powered trucks. Not trains either, because they have abandoned and ripped up most of the tracks that were laid in this country and to redo them would not be very cost effective.

"As for pushing his agenda, sure. That's what he was elected to do. His agenda is also more likely to get us off oil than merely trying to drill our way out of it"

Not hardly or likely. From what weve observed so far his agenda is has bankrupted us all for his twisted ideology. He wont be reelected and the leftists are going to lose big this fall so yeah, he can stick his agenda in that damn hole. Maybe that'll plug it.

914

Maybe if he tried sticking his ego in the hole that would plug it.

""As for pushing his agenda, sure. That's what he was elected to do. His agenda is also more likely to get us off oil than merely trying to drill our way out of it""

Jim X

Are you an idiot, just dense, or willfully stupid?

Barrning an unforeseen miracle we will be on oil for at least 25 more years. The only thing that would make a significant shift away from oil is to open about 50 nuclear power plants and we all know that your ilk aka democratic stupidty wont let that happen.

Wind, wave, solar, ethanol etc only account for about 2 percent of energy needs if that.

This will not work as most Americans have cottoned to his arrogant manipulation and the fact that he no longer has the clout he had a year ago and the Senate will not move with a election coming up.

He is the worst president ever.

"There will be transition costs and a time of adjustment. But if we refuse to heed the warnings from the disaster in the Gulf"

We will all be like Barry. 55 days late and drooling incoherently.

It means rolling back billions of dollars of tax breaks to oil companies so we can prioritize investments in clean energy research and development.

Brilliant. What happens when taxes are raised on oil producers? Those taxes become an additional cost of production which is passed on to consumers and other purchasers of oil products. So, the price of gasoline will go up.

So will the price of jet fuel and heating oil. Same for everything made from oil, such as medicine, insecticide, fertilizer, plastic, electricity, etc., etc., etc. So will diesel, which means that anything transported will go up, like food, shoes, golf clubs, and smart phones.

What happens when the price of everything goes up? Economic slow-down. Which means more unemployment and wage reduction. Which means that income tax revenue will go down. Which will mean less money to spend on the absurd and foolish "clean energy" boondoggles.

It just gets better and better.

God, please put the adults back in charge.

"Drill baby drill" is a liberal media myth! (oh no, I understand, it's really short for "We have to keep drilling because we eventually need to switch from oil. We just don't want to put any money into solar or wind because hippies like that.")

It's "drill baby drill", not "spill baby spill'. The Deepwater horizon exited because of government bans on drilling in all but the most extreme environments. It's the same people who were chanting "drill baby drill" who also said we have to do it all including solar, wind, geothermal, and nuclear.

Domestic drilling not only reduces the amount of money being sent overseas, it creates good paying American jobs. The same is true for nuclear power and if we recycle the fuel like France does, there's little waste to dispose of. It's Democrats in the pocket of environmental groups that have restricted domestic drilling and nuclear power for 30 years. It's time to sweep these fools from office so the nation can move forward.

Iwog,
You're talking to a fellow that thinks boycotting BP stations (franchises) will hurt BP as a whole.
Like BP only sells gas to and through its own stations...

iwogisdead - "What happens when taxes are raised on oil producers? Those taxes become an additional cost of production which is passed on to consumers and other purchasers of oil products. So, the price of gasoline will go up. "

Well DO'H!

As you know iwogisdead, and lee weird will ignore, that's the enviro-whackoos entire agenda drive up fossile fuel prices until the so-called alteritive fuels price is "competitive".

Big blurb in the local rag today. All of a sudden there is 'concern' about where all the electricity is going to come from to power all those electric cars now coming onto the market.

Don't they come with their own rainbow-colored unicorn to power them up?

And Kaleefornians are still waiting for all those "millions" of green jobs.

lee weird - "Nothing can more stupid than maintaining the status quo with respect to US energy policy."

Agreed, but who might these people be?

Got a list?

Or just stuffin' a strawman?

lee weird - "Of course it will. You think BP franchise owners by their gas from Chevron? They buy it from BP, and if a BP franchisee is selling less gas that's less gas sold by BP."

We've already gone thru this tripe by you and the end result then, as now, (to purposfully place words in lee's yap) "Fu*k them independent station owners, their wives and kids 'let them eat cake'"!

Right lee?

And BTW if and when those owners hit the unemployment line... guess who pays?

P.S. lee weird - "We have to quit subsidizing the cost of oil in the US and pay the true cost, and once we do that yes, the cost of gasoline will go up dramatically, closer to what the rest of the world is paying."

BTW that is patent BS.

On average, 60 percent of the price European drivers pay at the pump goes to their governments in taxes.

State and federal taxes currently make up just 11% of the pump price in the U.S., according to the Energy Information Administration; in France and the U.K., taxes account for an average of around 70%.

Leeward wrote:

We have to quit subsidizing the cost of oil in the US and pay the true cost, and once we do that yes, the cost of gasoline will go up dramatically, closer to what the rest of the world is paying.

An astonishing comment from someone who wants to subsidize "alternate" forms of energy. Why don't we use, for example, ethanol? Because it costs six units of energy to produce one unit of ethanol energy.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050329132436.htm

Way to go!! You can do basic math, can't you? See, the free market works. If "alternate" forms of energy were viable, the free market would have implemented them. If research will come up with a viable "alternate" energy form, the free market will do it.

By the by, if we were to pay the true "cost of gasoline," gasoline would be a lot cheaper. See, a large portion of the cost we pay for gasoline is tax. The rest of the world pays more for gasoline because the rest of the world taxes the shit out of gasoline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax

In the meantime, Leeward, enjoy the benefits of a lifestyle brought about by oil products. They cannot be replaced.

By the by (Part 2), I'm not Iwog. Iwog is dead.

Obama's green energy pipe dreams must wait for another day. We need to concentrate on the current problem, which apparently is far worse than BP or the White House will admit. BP has managed to drill into the equivalent of an oil volcano. At up to 50,000 psi pressure, there's no way to stop it. Some estimates say one or two billion barrels of crude will come out between now and election day 2012 before the pressure finally is reduced to where the weight of a mile of seawater can hold the oil in the formation. On the plus side, drilling will no longer be necessary. The Gulf itself will become a pool of crude oil. Stick a straw in and suck it out.

Wierdly-

"Nothing can more stupid than maintaining the status quo with respect to US energy policy."

You mean other than reading your post's and expecting them to start making sense?

The "status quo" is to not use our own reserves and handicap our own economy. Not very smart unless your a chowder brained lib like Barry and crew.

Leeward wrote:

Of course it will. You think BP franchise owners by their gas from Chevron? They buy it from BP, and if a BP franchisee is selling less gas that's less gas sold by BP.

The problem with your thinking is that BP is not bound to sell to BP stations.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/boycotting-bp-stations-youre-hurting-the-little-guy-742768.html

BP can sell to anybody. And even Dogbert understands that oil is a fungible commodity.

http://www.starbus.com/fungible/

lee weird - "No question that independent owners would be hurt. The smart ones would switch away from BP. Eventually BP would go under. Shame, a crying shame."

Yepper sure would be a shame. Also a shame for all the stock holders - you know like thousands of U.S. and U.K citizens.

And BTW calling for a boycott isn't related to a free market in any way.

P.S. of those "smart ones," how many do you think could afford to switch to another franchise? (100's of thousands of dollars.)

P.P.S. Do you have an AM/Pm store near you?

If so do you care if they are hurt by a BP boycot? (Owned by BP)

lee weird... Assume BP goes out of business.

They have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in producing Ethanol.

DuPont and BP are working together to develop and produce biofuels for the UK transportation market.

Both companies are investingin biobutanol. Biobutanol has received praise for blending easily with gasoline and having better gas mileage than ethanol.

BP and Verenium Corporation have a 50-50 joint venture to develop and commercialize cellulosic ethanol from non-food feedstocks.

"This collaboration represents a critical next step in positioning Verenium and BP at the forefront of commercializing cellulosic biofuels in the United States," said Carlos A. Riva, President and Chief Executive Officer of Verenium. "The creation of this joint venture brings together innovative and experienced developers, designers, engineers, operators and managers capable of realizing the potential of this technology. This is a true convergence of industrial biotechnology and energy production processes, which will allow us to deliver cleaner, more sustainable fuels."

Lee weird... why do you wanna kill BP? Why do you wanna kill the Earth?!!!!

We have to quit subsidizing the cost of oil in the US and pay the true cost, and once we do that yes, the cost of gasoline will go up dramatically, closer to what the rest of the world is paying.

You dipshit. Have you lived in other parts of the world? I have. We don't pay more (nb. I was originally a British Subject) because of the "real cost"...we pay more because the goverment taxes the living shit out of it.

Example: Petrol here in Ohio where I live now is about $2.50 a gallon, of which about 50c of it is government taxation.

My cousin, who lives in Surbiton, Surrey, is going to be paying about 126.9p/litre today (I just checked the price). That translates to about $1.87168/litre, or over $7.00/US gallon.

Of which about 60p/litre is just for tax...that's half the price. This is BEFORE the VAT (Oh, yes, there's VAT on top of this as well.) Total percentage? On the order of 60% of the price. The UK had FUEL PROTESTS and MARCHES back in 2000 because of the hike.

So, don't give me your bullshit. You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

And the rest of the world similarly places very high taxes on petrol.

iwogisdead:

Sorry, I didn't see that you covered my point already, but as I have personal experience with the costs of fuel in both countries, I thought I would throw my 2c/tuppence worth in.

Also, here's a nice website to explain the Fuel Tax in the UK. We used to have a fairly low tax on our fuel...until New Labour got into the act:

Read, weep, and worry if this idea comes to this country.
http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html

Anyone notice just what DOES happen when we try to 'go green' with solar?

Dems block projects. A number of solar farms in the Mojave desert were blocked - apparently microclimate changes (IE patches of shade) were considered too much for the local flora and fauna to adapt to - and it would also spoil the pristine beauty of the desert.

I've spent a few months in the Mojave on various projects in spring and summer. It needs shade, badly - and the tarantulas and lizards and desert tortoises can figure out for themselves whether they want to be in sun or shade, I think.

Who blocked it? Funny you should ask...

Protection of Desert Land Faces Off With New Energy Sources - NYTimes.com

AMBOY, Calif. -- Senator Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation in Congress on Monday to protect a million acres of the Mojave Desert in California by scuttling some 13 big solar plants and wind farms planned for the region.

Civilization needs energy. The Dems are all for alternative energy, until they can get votes for cancelling the project, or a project runs up against delicate sensibilities. (See Ted Kennedy's blocking of the wind farms offshore, claiming it would spoil his view.) We can't get by without it (as California is finding out) and it's got to come from somewhere.

As Garandfan points out, the electricity for electric cars has to come from somewhere. It won't be wind, won't be solar (except maybe distributed solar, house roofs perhaps?) won't be biomass (the ethanol experiment's pretty much crashed and burned), or hydro (pretty much tapped out) or tidal (think of the fishies!) and nuclear is right out. Coal? Oil? Natural gas? That's what's left, and they're not acceptable either.

So the choice is simple. We either have power, as a civilization, or we crash. I think you've all read my musings on how the search for energy to run civilization on is much like a game - but we've got some folks who'd love to see us lose the game for their own reasons, and others who don't see the path to winning the game and want to force everyone off down a side road to a dead end.

As a result - whenever I see someone touting just how green and eco-conscious the Dems are, I've got to laugh. They're all for the status quo - and it's their status that they want to remain quo.

No question that independent owners would be hurt. The smart ones would switch away from BP. Eventually BP would go under. Shame, a crying shame.

Oh wait, aren't conservative for free market forces? Aren't you the ones who keep saying "let the market decide"? Wasn't this blog the one saying "boycott the Dixie Chicks!" Isn't this the blog that said don't buy GM cars, ignoring the effect that would have on suppliers to GM?

Of course it is. It's the land of hypocrisy.

To suggest that a boycott of BP won't effect BP is just plain stoopid - and it was that aspect of Iwog's stupidity that I was addressing.

Again, stupid, you don't get it. And Paul even devoted a whole article to this issue, directed right at you:

"Lee Ward...meet Google"
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2007/06/21/lee-ward-meet-google.php

Lee also didn't think it was such a big deal when several leading Democratic congressmen threatened to pull ABC's broadcast licenses for the TV stations it owns over their airing of "The Path To 9/11."

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/09/08/when-the-cure-is-worse-than-th.php#345587

By the by, if we were to pay the true "cost of gasoline," gasoline would be a lot cheaper. See, a large portion of the cost we pay for gasoline is tax. The rest of the world pays more for gasoline because the rest of the world taxes the shit out of gasoline.

Believe me, the rest of the UK would kill for the petrol prices we pay now. It also affects the price of every other product in the UK made from, or requiring petroleum.

"So tell us again just how friendly and supportive the Dems are to 'green' energy?"

They are very supportive as long as its our greenbacks and energy supporting thier lifestyles.

What if the whole purpose was to crash economy and replace it with a more socialist friendly system. Sort like the one Hugo Chavez has in place. This man has always been a communist. There is alway the need for crisis so a standing system can fail. Read Cloward-Piven. Obama forgets this is a heavily armed country the next time the tea partiers come to Washington they may carry more than signs.

"Sort like the one Hugo Chavez has in place."

That's working well (kind of) for Chavez, not so much for his people. I give it another year before the economy crashes completely, maybe 2 before Chavez gets shoved out of office or given a lovely hemp necktie as token of how much his people love him.

Comedian Lewis Black holding up a smart phone, "I can download 300 vaginas in less with a minute with this thing, don't f***ing tell me we can't have a viable alternative energy plan if we want one."

This is the one area where I agree with President Obama. To continue spending our money on foreign oil, and to continue funding the people who want to either convert or kill us is quite simply insane.

Well Timmer old buddy ole pal.....we're waiting..ehh....well...what exactly do you and Comedian (genius) Lewis Black have in mind for alternative...wind....nope..not yet...solar....nope...not yet....unicorn poop..nope..well...maybe bull$hit..there's plenty of it in DC...WHAT can we use RIGHT NOW!
answer: OIL, PETROLEUM, BLACK GOLD, TEXAS TEA...
that's pretty much it for now.

"don't f***ing tell me we can't have a viable alternative energy plan if we want one."

Well, I'm pretty sure most people would love one...soooo...we're waiting.....waiting...waiting...what's that crickets...

yup..that's what I thought,
ol'

"This is the one area where I agree with President Obama. To continue spending our money on foreign oil"

We dont need to.. Theres enough here to last for hundreds of years if we we would just use it instead of playin footsie with enviro trial lawyers and cutting our own throats.

"This is the one area where I agree with President Obama. To continue spending our money on foreign oil, and to continue funding the people who want to either convert or kill us is quite simply insane."

I agree with the second sentence - but the first? Obama has no problem seeing the money go out - it helps drive the country further toward insolvency, and 'helps' the Democratic party gain support when they promise remedies to the issues they create.

Wow. olhardhead, you need to do some research. It's not 1985 anymore. Germany's been using wind farms since the mid 90s. Effectively I might add. F.E. Warren AFB in WY has three wind generators supplying something like 10-25% of the base's electricity. They have to shut them down when the wind blows too hard to keep from overloading them.

It's not 1979 anymore either and I'm pretty sure we can build safe, effective nuclear plants these days. Yeah, I know that's not in President Obama's plan, but I consider it a good, alternative energy plan.

914...ummm, yeah, but I like breathing something that doesn't smell like car exhaust and isn't a carcinogen, call me weird. I'm not a global warming nut, but I'm not a fan of pouring tons of crap into the air either. Seriously, it's 2010 for Chrissakes, we can do better.

Are you an idiot, just dense, or willfully stupid?

Pick whichever one of those you think I am.

I'm a mirror.

tim tim timmer - "It's not 1985 anymore. Germany's been using wind farms since the mid 90s. Effectively I might add."

Well that depends on your definition of effective doesn't it?

If having 20,000 turbines producing about six percent of Germany's total electrical power float your boat as effective have at it.

Would it be a bad thing to have the same in the U.S.?

No but the wackos think turbines, nuclear (that'll never be built) and solar will replace oil.

They never will.