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Expert's opinion on Obama's speech - you people are idiots

Well no wonder Barack Obama's Tuesday address has been widely panned. You people are just too stupid. So says CNN:

President Obama's speech on the gulf oil disaster may have gone over the heads of many in his audience, according to an analysis of the 18-minute talk released Wednesday.

Tuesday night's speech from the Oval Office of the White House was written to a 9.8 grade level, said Paul J.J. Payack, president of Global Language Monitor. The Austin, Texas-based company analyzes and catalogues trends in word usage and word choice and their impact on culture.

Though the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his 19.8 words per sentence "added some difficulty for his target audience," Payack said.

See? All the talk about failing to show leadership and using the crisis to push a climate bill is just white noise from a bunch of drooling, knuckle dragging reprobates that couldn't easily digest Obama's meaty brilliance.
Obama's nearly 10th-grade-level rating was the highest of any of his major speeches and well above the Grade 7.4 of his 2008 "Yes, we can" victory speech, which many consider his best effort, Payack said.
Ah yes, who doesn't remember his melodious Bob the Builder epic from 2008? But isn't "I know Bush is but what am I?" closer to the kindergarten level?


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Thanks - I was worried. No... (Below threshold)
JAT0:

Thanks - I was worried. Now I know I'm stupid!

But he still hasn't done anything constructive with this oil leak, and his poll numbers show a lot of people must be pretty stupid (especially those that voted for this clown) - 42% and stil going to continue sliding down.

CNN has just insulted every... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

CNN has just insulted everyone that voted for Obama. 7.4 grade level speechifying got them to vote for him, but now he's gone over their heads by bumping it up two grades.

Off topic, but something that occurred to me recently, too, is since BP is putting up $20B to cover all manner of costs for the spill, I have to wonder how the anti-big oil crowd feels now about their "obscene profits". If BP had not made such profits, who would be footing the tab?

Here Lee Ward Let me save y... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Here Lee Ward Let me save you the trouble.

Republicans liked high school speeches before a black man became president.

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Oyster


"CNN has just insulted everyone that voted for Obama. "

If they were stupid enough to vote for Obama than they just may have been too stupid to understand a 9th grade speech.

The experts have spoken!</p... (Below threshold)
Don L:

The experts have spoken!

19 words per sentence means failure? Somebody get those people that penned the bible and clue them in that it's gonna fail.

All those big words he uses... (Below threshold)
Marie:

All those big words he uses just swirl around my empty head. Thank God Obama is so brilliant.

I wonder what level Obama's... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

I wonder what level Obama's "Corpse Man" speech was given.

Many presidents have been k... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Many presidents have been known for that special speech/phrase delivered so eloquently in time of crisis. No matter how much Mr Payack wants it to be, it's obvious after a year that Obama just doesn't have the gift for that sort of thing. It is well past the time that the liberal press stop treating us like we're not appreciating their little 5 year old prodigy who is so much more gifted than the rest of the ordinary kids in the kindergarten class.

Being that Obama read the s... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Being that Obama read the speech as he gave it, it probably went over his head too.

Run Barry, run. Tax Barry,... (Below threshold)

Run Barry, run. Tax Barry, tax. Golf Barry, golf. (I just wrote BHO's next literary opus!)

Let's see...the one's panni... (Below threshold)

Let's see...the one's panning it are in the mainstream media. So, yeah, I can see how that is over their heads, I'm not sure at any given time which group is made up of the worst performing students, journalism school students or teaching school students. I think they're about neck and neck, if I recall correctly.

Though the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his 19.8 words per sentence "added some difficulty for his target audience," Payack said.

This, though, I have trouble with, as it demonstrates that this person is clueless. Obama's only support now is amongst poor, uneducated, inexperienced people. Therefore, if he had a target audience, it was the people that don't already support him...that is, non-poor, educated, experienced people. In other words, this analysis = fail and is safely ignored.

I hope all 57 states were t... (Below threshold)
914:

I hope all 57 states were tuned in so we could all witness his smarter than thou prompting from the pulpit.

DaveD"Many preside... (Below threshold)
retired military:

DaveD

"Many presidents have been known for that special speech/phrase delivered so eloquently in time of crisis"

For Obama that phrase is


"It's all Bush's fault"

I blame the teleprompter.</... (Below threshold)
Roy:

I blame the teleprompter.

Reagan knew how to talk to ... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

Reagan knew how to talk to the little people - in part because of his years of training as an actor. Obama does not. He's a college professor and when he speaks to the voters he still talks as if he were addressing college students.

"Republicans liked high school speeches before a black man became president."

Tea Party loonies have infested the GOP and a percentage of them are motivated by racism.

You can ignore that truth, you can pretend it doesn't exists, or you can fix it. It's a simple choice.

This makes it all the more ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

This makes it all the more difficult for obama as the vast majority of voters (right and left) smart enough to understand what he said have already tuned him out.

Of course that might actually be a feature since those few who did have the fortitude to listen in have given him scathing reviews.

Lee-You almost sta... (Below threshold)
914:

Lee-

You almost stayed on topic for once and left race out of it.

If the "professor" is so brilliant, how come the economy is going down the shitter along with his approval numbers? Were all too stupid to know a good thing when we dont have it?

Barry is the most arrogant condescending buffoon to hold high office ever. Did you understand his speech?

If anyone is 'stupid', it's... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

If anyone is 'stupid', it's the folks at CNN. The speech was crap. But The One is noted for being full of that particular substance.

Back in journalism school w... (Below threshold)
Big Mo:

Back in journalism school we were urged to write on a 6th grade level. Heh.

The CNN dope doesn't realize that this was NOT supposed to be a Kennedy-esque moon-shot speech, but a nuts-and-bolts here's-what-we're-doing-about-the-cluster-F-in-the-Gulf speech.

Once again, Obama has failed to rise to expectations, but risen well above his level of competence.

I have a news flash for Lee... (Below threshold)
BluesHarper:

I have a news flash for Lee Ward. Some of the people, what you call "loonies", in the Tea Party group are democrats. They're not happy with Obama either.

"He's a college professor a... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"He's a college professor and when he speaks to the voters he still talks as if he were addressing college students."

No. He's a community organizer and was only ever a nominal lecturer at the U of C. The law school faculty never considered him a full member and he never published or attended staff meetings.

Speaking in a manner that allows you to be understood is a prerequisite for a good professor. So what you are really saying is that to whatever degree he was a professor, he sucked at that too.

Obama has lost even his most die hard supporters. Even Olberman provided the best critique of the speech, "It was a great speech, if you've been living on another planet for the last 57 days." It wasn't that he talked over anyone's head it was that he failed to make anyone believe that he was on top of things or up to handling this task.

Libs are enthralled with the idea that they can sound super sophisticated and intelligent by using multisyllabic words and lengthy sentence construction. They equate this opaque speech with intellect and call it 'nuanced', forgetting that any idiot can fail to make himself understood.

Talk about projection...</p... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Talk about projection...

He sure is full of it if he thinks the (P)resident was talking over the education level of his audience. Then again I'd BET that it was because h imagined those ignorant redneck crackers were in front of that new fangled Tee Vee thing and needed a translator to fully appreciate what was being spoken to them from the Oval Office by our Harvard educated empty suit.

"Reagan knew how to talk to... (Below threshold)
Don L:

"Reagan knew how to talk to the little people - in part because of his years of training as an actor. Obama does not. He's a college professor and when he speaks to the voters he still talks as if he were addressing college students."

Perhaps not. Perhaps the very core of the problem is that Obama talks to the people (like Big Brother)and Reagan talked with the people like a big brother.(lower case)

"Reagan knew how to talk... (Below threshold)
914:

"Reagan knew how to talk to the little people - in part because of his years of training as an actor. Obama does not. He's a college professor and when he speaks to the voters he still talks as if he were addressing college students"

What's he teaching those students? How to circumvent criminal law and scam the constitution?

The only voters that agree with their choice to vote for Barrys hope and chains are those dead voters in the extra 7 states..

"He sure is full of it if h... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"He sure is full of it if he thinks the (P)resident was talking over the education level of his audience. "

I don't know. Barry was probably talking over the heads of most of his audience at CNN.

And as to what he taught those students...from the videos I have seen he taught them a thinly disguised Saul Alinski ideology of class warfare and community organizing.

Lee,I disagree with ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee,
I disagree with your statement about Reagan. He was a Democrat before he became a Republican. You may not approve of the direction of his political development but I assume he had some moments of introspection of which I think BHO is incapable. Along that line, Reagan honed his communication skills by producing an available record of both written and verbal addresses on public and foreign policy even before and while he was governor of California. Obama may have been a college professor but perhaps you can enlighten me as to where the record is that shows him to have been an inspiring teacher/ communicator in that role. I have read where he used to avoid invitations to infor mal faculty get togethers where intellectual discussions on law would take place without the benefit of a captive student audience. I agree with you that Obama is very much the ideal adjunct professor of law at some university, but in no way does he have what it takes to be President of the United States.

The CNN article is absurd. ... (Below threshold)
John S:

The CNN article is absurd. Obama didn't write either speech. He doesn't even know what he's going to say until it pops up onto the Teleprompter. Tuesday's speech was a failure because no one has a solution to this disaster. The administration is still actively suppressing information that there are 18 fractures in the sea floor and the worst one, seven miles from the well bore, is spewing 2 million gallons a day into the Gulf. The fussing around with the 60,000 gallon a day leak at the well-bore is for CNN and nothing more. I guess Obama didn't want to mention this 30 year leak will destroy the entire Atlantic so close to the midterm election. He'll be really unpopular once Americans learn the extent of his coverup.

Tea Party loonies ... (Below threshold)
Brett Buck:
Tea Party loonies have infested the GOP and a percentage of them are motivated by racism.

Zero is a percentage, right?

"Tuesday's speech was a ... (Below threshold)
914:

"Tuesday's speech was a failure because no one has a solution to this disaster."


Barry does. Dont let it go to waste and blackmail BP for all he can then blame Bush. The hell with pluggin the damn hole, just take money the industry and on to the next conquistador takeover.. Right Barry!!

Lee "Tea Party loo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee

"Tea Party loonies have infested the GOP and a percentage of them are motivated by racism."

Are you talking about all the white folks trying to keep that guy Greene from running for Congress even though he won the primary. Oh wait those are democrats doing that.

Also your previous "race card" remarks dont specify "a percentage of Tea Partiers". You paint with the broad brush. Ask just about anyone on the board and they will be glad to tell you.

As for your statement I am sure there are a very very very minute few people that are associated with the tea parties that are racist. I am also sure that there are a a MUCH larger percentage in the democratic party who are.

After all how else can you explain 95% of the African American vote going to Obama. How many africans americans when asked will tell you they voted for Obama because he was black.
Isnt that just as racist as someone who is white voting for someoene else who is white?


"Note that I accidentally used the word "tenet" -- which is speaking over the head of the same crowd who can't understand Obama. Damn, I'm so sorry. I'll try to talk dumber from now on."

I dont see how you can talk dumber than you already do. When you run out of talking points you revert to the race card as it is.
But hey keep trying to talk dumber, we on the right have faith in you to achieve your goal.

"Apparently you haven't noticed that I was replying to retired military, who is stalking me and going off-topic on every post"

I am not stalking you. I am simply trying to save you the trouble of playing the race card in every thread. See what happens when you try to help a liberal o

Every remark I make regarding your racism remarks can be tied back to the subject at hand (unlike your race card playing garbage). And BTW you talking about someone going off topic is like the pot calling the kettle black.

OOOH OOOH I know I know Racist remark.
Rpblcns wr fr wht pts nd kttls bfr blk n bcm prsdnt


Probably the biggest irony ... (Below threshold)
Tsar Nicholas II:

Probably the biggest irony with this latest item of projection by liberal idiots in the media is that liberal idiots who troll the Internet won't even be able to appreciate the irony.

"Most universities have the... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"Most universities have the students critique the professors at the end of the semester. I suspect, if such information is public, that Obama rated just fine or Caribou Barbie would have been yakking about it in '08."

Appreciate the reply, Lee. The 'Caribou Barbie' line is much the same type of distraction as 'It's Bush's fault'.

and

"if such information is public,...."
Exactly.

BTW LeeYou never s... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Lee

You never said if you were man enough to take my bet about the election. if you think I am stalking you than this is one sure way of getting me to stop.


Btw From another thread in case you missed it


Obama's recent buffonery demonstrates that his mad diplomatic skillz are, once again, all talk and no substance - and this is exactly the kind of issue that the press will use to skewer Obambi in the general election

-Lee Ward, 3/4/08

'Campaign rhetoric' - also known as 'political bullshit' designed to mislead voters. But what I find amazing is that Obama obviously lacks both diplomatic skills, as well as the ability to gather facts before shooting off his mouth... and he wants us to believe that he's "White House Ready?" ... 'Political positioning in the midwest primaries' translates into just plain bullshit and lies to the Ohio Democrats as they approach this important primary.-Lee Ward 3/4/08


when it comes to Obama's ability to do what he panders claims he wants to do the beef is missing, and Obama's expressed pandering interest in actually building a bridge across partisan divides is not matched -- in any stretch of the imagination -- by his record

-Lee Ward 3/3/08


The truth? How dare someone inject the truth into the Obama equation... Reality? There you go again - what a buzz killer, man. Quick - the antidote! "Yes, We Can Ignore Reality... Yes, We Can Ignore Reality... Yes, We Can Ignore Reality...."

-Lee Ward 2/26/08


Anytime Obama's supporters are faced with hard questions about their candidate they weasel into attacks on Clinton. I'm beginning to think anything more challenging that a five-word bumper sticker is just way too much for Obama supporters to handle. Just like their candidate, that can't get specific, but can only talk about "hope" - it's hilarious.


-Lee Ward 2/20/08.

I have one word to say to your above quotes of wisdom regarding Obama.

RACIST

Lee I have to poin... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee

I have to point out this quote for you. Obviously you were thinking of your self when you said it.

"I'm beginning to think anything more challenging that a five-word bumper sticker is just way too much for Obama supporters to handle."

-Lee Ward 2/20/08.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha </p... (Below threshold)
914:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Waitaminute.The fo... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Waitaminute.

The former wizbang blue writer who used to ban everyone he disagreed with, the writer who refers to middle eastern men and Somali's as "darkies", the writer who, for no apparent reason always talks about Obama's color, who now defends Obama against any and all criticism, wrote the comments as referenced in post 33?

If these are Obama's supporters, he's in more trouble than he realizes.

Retired Military (#33),<br ... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Retired Military (#33),
I salute you for the Lee Ward retrospective. It clearly puts his present comments in perspective, doesn't it?

Lee, the statement "Obama i... (Below threshold)
alanstorm:

Lee, the statement "Obama is a socialist" is not a distraction, it's a description.

Let's see, his parents were socialists/communists. His mentors were socialists/communists. His advisors and appointees are socialists/communists. His actions and stated beliefs are generally socialistic/communistic.

What exactly is odd about drawing the obvious conclusion that he himself is a socialist?

"What exactly is odd abo... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"What exactly is odd about drawing the obvious conclusion that he himself is a socialist?"

How about the fact that he isn't a socialist and doesn't practice socialist policies.

Was that too hard for you to figure out yourself?

Plus the fact you aren't who your parents are - etc.

Lee WardStill no r... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Ward

Still no response on my bet ref the upcoming election

Meanwhile

lets take another walk down the memory lane of Lee Ward quotes. Lee might recognize himself in some of these.

"What this story points out is that some (a few? many?) Obamatrons are fanatical in their support of Obama, and this whole extreme aspect to the Obama "movement" is a far cry from a rational nominating process.
It resembles a cult in many ways, and there is no question that Obama has attracted the fringe element.
4. Posted by Lee Ward | February 26, 2008 1:52 PM"

"These true believers "Obama-ize" everything. They speak Obama-ese. Knit for Obama. Run for Obama. Gamble - Hold 'Em Barack! - for Obama. They make Obama cakes, underwear, jewelry. They send Valentine cards reading, "I want to Barack your world!"
At campaign rallies people scream, cry, even faint as Obama calmly calls for the EMTs. When supporters pant en masse, "I love you!" (like The Beatles, circa 1964), Barack says, "I love you back" with that deliciously charming, almost cocky smile

Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Feb 23, 08 11:33 AM

"'

What this story points out is that some (a few? many?) Obamatrons are fanatical in their support of Obama, and this whole extreme aspect to the Obama "movement" is a far cry from a rational nominating process.
It resembles a cult in many ways, and there is no question that Obama has attracted the fringe element.
4. Posted by Lee Ward | February 26, 2008 1:52 PM


Obama - the great orator - riles up the crowd with lies, and like Larkin they just suck up bthe lies and cheer him on, blinded by his "MessiahLight (tm).
Posted by Lee Ward

Oh and speaking of racism


The caucuses and heavy African American states won the nomination for him. Stringing along the lefties and positioning himself left of Clinton gave him a powerful primary army that won it.
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Jul 8, 08 01:40 PM

Wow, what made you decide t... (Below threshold)
914:

Wow, what made you decide to jump onto a sinking ship of fools Lee? To leave sanity for insanity. Was it the promised entitlements? The unicornation of utopia promised?

Or do you just prefer cherry cool-aid with your politics?

"How about the fact that he... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"How about the fact that he isn't a socialist and doesn't practice socialist policies."

Lee, I have made this same mistake myself, thinking Obama is a socialist. How should I better describe his economic philosophy do you think?

Wizbangers,Know wh... (Below threshold)
SER:

Wizbangers,

Know what is really funny about Mr. Ward's defense of the President's speech and how it was "above our grade level?" President Obama's speeches are below the grade level of previous presidents. Check out this analysis:

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/cspg/smartpolitics/2010/01/professor_obama_presidents_sta.php

RM,I've created a mo... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

RM,
I've created a monster

SCSIwuzzyYeah but... (Below threshold)
retired military:

SCSIwuzzy

Yeah but what fun it is. Beating him over his head with his own quotes.

Actually,. no - ze... (Below threshold)
Brett:
Actually,. no - zero isn't a percentage. It's a mistaken belief and head-in-the-sand avoidance of the truth.

"You almost stayed on topic for once and left race out of it."

Apparently you haven't noticed that I was replying to retired military, who is stalking me and going off-topic on every post. He's almost as obsessed with me as Jay and you are.

Now *I* am obsessed with you, too? See you share your hero's narcissism, good for you. Hate to break it to you, but aside from the brief amusement I get from your absurdly mindless and trivially dismissable drivel and tendency to spout the word "racist" at any moment for any problem, *you aren't very interesting*.

"Wow, what made you deci... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Wow, what made you decide to jump onto a sinking ship of fools Lee? To leave sanity for insanity. Was it the promised entitlements? The unicornation of utopia promised?"

Hillary lost the nomination, 914, and the memo went out. At one point, Hillary was the Chosen by the DNC - so he bent all his efforts to her support.

And then she lost the top spot - and all the 'good little democrats' who WERE supporting Hillary had to IMMEDIATELY support Obama. So he did, a 180 skew turn, and continues to this day.

The thing is - Lee is LOYAL. He's not someone who votes according to his own wishes and desires - he's bought into the Democratic agenda heart and soul, and when that agenda changes (like it did when Hillary the Unassailable got shoved off the top of the ticket) he WILL change with it and support the party line.

Party line says that criticism of Obama is racist? Then he's going to, by Ghod, find some reason to declare any and all criticism of Obama racist.

Party line says Tea Party folks are violent racists? He'll support that line all day long, evidence to the contrary.

Party line says Obama's doing all the right things? Then Lee the Loyal will push that meme while the economy craters.

Party line says Cap&Trade? Lee will support it - despite evidence global warming isn't an issue any more, and global COOLING may be the big worry.

Party line says Renewable Green Energy? Lee will be all for it - and ignore how the Dems continually cancel solar and wind power plants.

Lee is the ultimate LOYAL Party member - and whatever's next, when the Democratic meme changes and Obama is no longer a stainless and blameless deity (I give it about two more months... the media is smelling the blood in the water already, or the oil.) Lee will take great pride and pleasure in burning his formerly cherished books and pictures, and supporting with all his fevor whoever gets picked as Obama's successor.

Democratic line - Palin's a... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Democratic line - Palin's an idiot.

Lee is LOYAL.

Mr. Ward,You seem ... (Below threshold)
SER:

Mr. Ward,

You seem to enjoy name calling ("tea bagger," "functional idiot," etc.), but you seem to be a little weak on your debate skills. You attempt to denigrate Gov. Palin with a Tina Fey quote; could you use one of her actual quotes, please?. In this thread, you state "He's a college professor and when he speaks to the voters he still talks as if he were addressing college students." When the evidence that I supplied (#44) refutes your position, you are silent. When we provide evidence of the president's socialistic tendencies (government ownership of car companies, banks, mortgage providers, etc.) you ignore it. I appreciate points of view that are different than mine, but could you get a little better at expressing and supporting yours? It would be appreciated.

He's a college pro... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
He's a college professor

NO HE'S NOT, GODDAMNIT!

I'm a college professor (in the physical sciences), and to have someone who gave a few guest lectures put in the same category pisses me off no end. To gain that status I spent years humping my ass off with 80 hour weeks for years to get tenure.

Barry's never published shit. Ever. Zero scholarly work, zero research, zero publications. He is no more a college professor for what he's done than he is an MLB pitcher because he stood on the mound to (girly)throw out the first pitch at an MLB game.

So stop with the college professor horseshit!

Or the "Obama pals... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
Or the "Obama pals with terrorists" line?

I doubt Obama pals around with terrorists. They don't socialize with the help.

Oh, and one more thing abou... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Oh, and one more thing about that "college professor" crap, about which I'm still incandescent.

In 40 years in academia I never encountered any professor who was unfamiliar with the word "corpsman." Ever.

"Corpsman" is at best a middle school level vocabulary word.

Some think Palin is an idio... (Below threshold)
Wardall:

Some think Palin is an idiot. GOP loyalty!

"and after he won he los... (Below threshold)
P. Bunyan:

"and after he won he lost all of those progressive ideals he was touting"

Not having the political capital to pass his Marxist agenda is not the same as being a "centerist", Lee. And the leftists who are smarter than you (which is most leftists) know that which is why we're seeing more and more of them openly wishing Obama could just become a dictator and force his agenda upon us.

Ah, Lee -You could... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ah, Lee -

You could get metaphorically kicked, beaten, and starved by your ideological masters, and you'd STILL be the good, loyal little toady - rationalizing every excess, supporting every opinion.

Reality just doesn't REGISTER with you, does it?

I would judge Palin's intel... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

I would judge Palin's intelligence to be roughly comparable with Obama's. Neither is a genius, nor an idiot. Both are averageish to slightly above.

There is no reason whatever to consider Obama to be particularly intelligent. He obviously did poorly at school, or his transcripts wouldn't be a state secret.

And the Harvard Law School doesn't mean squat. Admission was clearly an affirmative action deal, and again the absence of transcripts strongly suggests poor performance.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you're going to mention the "magna" crap, the HLR presidency (to which he contributed zip de nada), and Lawrence Tribe famously gushing just before the election that Obama was the most brilliant student he'd had in 40 years. What did he say at the time? Bupkis.

If Tribe had thought so at the time, he could've gotten Obama a prestigious clerkship, maybe at SCOTUS, with a phone call.

Bottom line: Obama was the liberals' mascot because he was a black man who wasn't a total embarrassment.

Turn it around: if Obama were such a stellar student as to actually earn these recognitions (magna, HLR, Tribe's blow job), surely that would be reflected in his transcript at HLS, right? How could it not be? Or is Barry ("I'm pretty good at being President, and give myself a solid B+") suddenly overcome with modesty?

Hate?Might want to... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Hate?

Might want to shine that projector elsewhere, Lee. Like Jay Tea, I find you a source of great (but not endless) amusement. Any hatred you see is generated in your own skull.

Signed -

Doubting Thomas
(Which I had to use after you banned me for disagreeing with you on the Blue.)

Mr. Ward,"and your... (Below threshold)
SER:

Mr. Ward,

"and your hate will someday consume you."

Project, much?

So why did you think Clinto... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

So why did you think Clinton was better? More experience (or should I say, "less inexperienced?"), brighter, better educated, more loyal American, what?

I'd go for all of those, and in the circumstances would much rather have Clinton than Obama as President.

Of course, I've rather have Bo as President than Obama, so it's not much of a standard.

"I'd go for all of those... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

"I'd go for all of those, and in the circumstances would much rather have Clinton than Obama as President."

She was the better choice among the two, I think that's becoming apparent over time.

Lee You are a hypo... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee

You are a hypocrit of the highest order

"Choosing between Obama and Hillary Clinton I chose Clinton, for reasons I've stated publicly on Wizbang Blue"
"After Obama won the nomination the choice was between Obama/Biden and Grampa/Caribou Barbie. I chose Obama, for reasons I've stated publicly on Wizbang Blue.
"


Got it . And many of us felt we had the exact same choice with McCain vs Obama. And we can respect that.

The only thing is after Obama won the election YOU JUMPED THE SHARK.

I have yet to see you criticize or disagree with ANYTHING since the election that Obama, and his inner circle have done.
Instead you champion them to no end.

You use the teabagger straw man to throw generic race cards around and make yourself look foolish. People who go to the tea parties are saying pretty much everything you said prior to him being nominated. Yet they are racist(according to you ) and you are not.


'Today, I heartily support Obama in most of what he does"
The question is WHY??? We never wholeheartedly supported Bush in everything he did. Look back on the threads about his immigration policies or his selection of Harriet Miers. We were up in arms about it. If you felt he was so lousy before the election that common sense says that UNLESS you are a hypocrite you think he is pretty lousy after the election just not as lousy as what you felt McCain would have been. And that would have been fine and we would understand that. Yet you come here and write as if Obama walks on water and can do no wrong. Have you seen us praise McCain since the election? Most want him to STFU and retire.

"As frustrated as I am with Obama from time to time he's without question a better choice than McCain"

Then do yourself and everyone else a favor and voice that frustration instead of saying people, who feel pretty much as you do about a situation, are racist.

You talk about trolls and bootlickers yet what you write vs what you have written is the very definition of a bootlicker and troll.

Let me ask you this.

You stated the following about Obama:

Lee ward
Apr 17, 08 05:37 PM
"He'll lie about this, just as he lies about so many other things. He'll claim he's just too busy."

"What a wimp! What a putz! He's gotten a free ride and now that there was one bump for him in the road last night and he's wimping out

"Off-script and on his heels, Obama failed miserably. And this putz thinks he can sit at the table with Ahmadinejad? Spare us"


"And we're still unraveling the whole Rezko mess but we know Barack lied about how much money his campaigns had received from Rezko -- first it was %80K, then later they admitted it was more like $150K, then revised again months later to something like $250K.
There is a definite pattern of lies and distortion, and what is amazing is that Barack stare into the camera in the clip above and flat-out lies some more -- even after he's been caught."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Jul 8, 08 01:40 PM


"Obama is running for the highest office in the land, and he's unfairly smeared an opponent, and he can't admit that he's lied - mispoken - incorrectly quoted - whatever - he just can't admit it."

18. Posted by Lee Ward | April 10, 2008 5:21 PM |

"Hillarious stuff. If he can't handle tough questions at a debate, he can't handle being president. What a whining liberal!"
April 17th 2008 Lee ward

"Is Obama Building a Religion?
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 11, 08 11:21 AM
You can't avoid the questions and just make speeches, Barack. The long wait before the next primary will mean many more opportunities for the American public to get to know you and your positions better. Avoiding the press in a pathetic attempt to manage your public image won't work.
You can run, Barack, but you cannot hide. "

"Exactly - which makes me wonder what the heck Obama is thinking by letting this ride?
Perhaps he's hopeful that the truth won't be discovered until after he's in office.
Or is he so naive that he thinks if he scrunches his eyes closed really tight he can avoid the problem completely?
Or is he so damned dirty and involved in this mess with Rezko that he just can't face the music?"
7. Posted by Lee Ward | March 13, 2008 6:52

"When the red phone rings at 3am Obama will turn to his advisers for input.
That's pretty scary given the perfect trifecta of Obama adviser stoogery we've witnessed this last week."
4. Posted by Lee Ward | March 7, 2008 4:07

" Obama speaks glowingly of rising above and changing the way America politics (sometimes plagiarizing, but inspiring nonetheless) while his ObamaDrones use made-up titles like "adviser" to spew Obama's hate and deceit."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 7, 08 10:00 AM

- "I've been complaining that Obama wasn't being honest and straight forward with the American people for months now - this has nothing to do with "gotcha politics" and everything to do with the lack of honesty on the part of Barack Oabama finally catching up with him."
2. Posted by Lee Ward | March 7, 2008 6:02 P


"The Obama gift that keeps on giving -- to the Clinton campaign -- is his poor choice of advisers that keep leaking the fact that Barack Obama, the mighty man of change, has not been truthful in his campaign statements to the American people"

Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 7, 08 05:00 PM


Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 8, 08 01:00 PM

"Obama's inexperience is showing again, this time in the way he's allowed Hillary Clinton to get inside his head, force his hand, and dictate the terms of engagement in the race for the nomination."
"Third, Obama is lying about the fact that he wasn't aware of these statements prior to yesterday -- but note how careful Obama is in his lie.

In this interview, Barack Obama is dripping with guilt, and is subjecting himself to this treatment because he's carrying a great degree of remorse, and is hoping for an absolution as an outcome of this catharsis. It's obvious from the very start of the interview.
We cannot have a President who subjugates himself in this manner. Having Barack Obama as President negotiate with the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be absolute suicide for this country. The man is an orator, not a negotiator, and when faced with 'opposition' he yields power quickly.

But Barack Obama is such a shape-shifting phony that even after the issue has exploded onto the front page, he still cannot face the music -- he has to continue his charade even further. This is another example of how Obama appears to me to be pathological in his approach to this race, and it renders him wholly unfit for the office of President."


Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 15, 08 09:47 AM

"Four years of Bush III in the White House -- all because Obama wants to be King."
. Posted by Lee Ward | March 16, 2008 11:14 AM

"He's repeatedly lied to the American people. If he had told the truth six months ago, and confessed that Rezko had supported him to the tune of a quarter million dollars (and possibly more) the press would have been hammering him for months on his connection with Rezko and digging into story further to find out what Obama did in return.
Instead we have a situation where Obama almost has a lock on the nomination -- and he got there by lying.
He needs to be stopped.

2. Posted by Lee Ward | March 16, 2008 1

"It was Obama's youth and inexperience that brought him into the Rezko web, and allowed him to be compromised by this indicted manipulator, but it is Obama's core dishonesty that led him to lie repeatedly throughout this campaign about the extent to which he benefited from that relationship - and when Obama tells us there was no quid pro quo that's a lie as well. Guys like Rezko don't throw around $250,000 for no reason.
ObamaLemmings keep throwing mud back at the Clintons, but it's a shame they don't have the same mud-inspecting desires with their own candidate. Obama is dirty, and we now see from his own admissions that he's not been honest with the American people previously about the extent to which he benefited from his relationship with Rezko, so why should we believe him now?"
8. Posted by Lee Ward | March 16, 2008
• "As I've already said (but it bears repeating) Obama is demonstrating how wholly inadequate he is as a chief executive. Sitting on this problem until it boiled over and spilled all over the front pages is rank amateurism, and indicative of a man who sticks his head in the sand rather than pro-actively managing a crisis."
• Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 18, 08 12:30 PM


• "Right - he always parses his words so carefully as he lies..."
• 2. Posted by Lee Ward | March 18, 2008 6:


"Aside from the fact that the press is finally noticing Obambi's "deer in the headlights" stance as he happily threw his grandmother under the bus -- all the while staring at the teleprompter -- the press seems less than impressed with Obama's great speech."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 19, 08 08:30 PM

"John McCain is no match for Barack Obama. He is old and looks completely "worn out" from the vigorous campaigning.
Hillary Clinton is no match for Barack Obama. She now has bags under her eyes from pushing so hard on the campaign trail.
The frightening thing to me is that there is a group of Obama supporters who are basing their choice in part on analysis like this - the appearance of the candidate. It has nothing whatsoever to do with their suitability, Judy - really.
It harkens back to JFK, but that doesn't mean Obama is a JFK just because he's young and handsome."
4. Posted by Lee Ward | March 20, 2008 11:56


"Obama was happily skating towards the White House until last week. Now he's exposed as an enabler of a racist bloc of anti-American citizens, a liar with regards to the amount of money he's received from Rezko, and a hypocrite who's blocking the do-overs in Florida and Michigan because Clinton has stronger support there - and to hell with the voters in those states having a say in the nomination. They don't support him, so they don't get to vote.
The "Great Uniter" has failed to unite the Democratic party, further demonstrating that on this issue as well Barack cannot deliver anything more than plagiarized speeches and flowery prose.
When it comes time to "do something" Barack doesn't even try - and succeeds only at making matters worse."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 20, 08 12:30 PM

• "What (Wright) is doing is spewing that stuff out to young people and to younger people than Obama and putting it in their heads that its OK to say 'God damn America' and to beat up on white people," Ferraro told the Breeze. "You don't preach that from the pulpit."
• Oh, sure they do -- at least Barack Obama's chosen mentor for 20 years does, and Barack probably doesn't even realize the extent to which he himself has become a racist bigot as a result of 20 years of indoctrination into an idealogy that hates America.
• Remember Michelle Obama's comment about having nothing to be proud of with regards to America before Barack rose to power? More of the same...
• (This from Powerline - hat tip HughS)
• Think about it: can you imagine any Presidential candidate, in any context, describing anyone as a "typical black person?" Or a "typical Asian person?" Worse, what Obama said was that the "typical white person" views others of different races with fear and suspicion. Obama appears to be digging himself in deeper and deeper.
• Yeah, think about it. Think about a "Great Uniter" who says "typical white people" are racist bigots.
• He's stereotyping white people as he says "we have to break through it" -- well, start anytime Barack, or do you just not get the fact the you and people like you of any and all colors are the problem."
• Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 20, 08 08:06 PM

And how in the world can a stereotyping bigot like Barack Obama "steer us though it" - when he can't even see it


"Barack Obama wants to suggest as an equivalent comparison his 20 years of tithing to the racist preachings of Reverend Wright -- with Bill Clinton standing in the same room with Wright one morning 10 years ago at a White House prayer breakfast."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 23, 08 10:30 AM

"The sad part is that America was sold a bill of goods -- Barack lied and claimed he was better than the rest. Clearly he's no different than the rest, just less experienced and -- as recent events have shown, he's spent the last 20 years being coached by one of the world's best hatemongers.
His hatred of America and Americans who don't agree with him runs deep - his opposition to the primary do overs in Michigan and Florida are clear examples. Those are two states that favor Clinton over Obama, so in the ObamaWolrldView their votes shouldn't count.
American votes shouldn't be counted in those two states because the majority of voters in those states don't agree with Obama.
Think about the implications of having a President of the United States who works that hard to restrict the voting rights of Americans who don't agree with him..."
3. Posted by Lee Ward | March 21, 2008 8:51 AM
"Obama sat on the Reverrend Wright time bomb hoping it wouldn't be brought to light, and was perfectly content to let that fester - and what if the controversy had surfaced just one week prior to he November election?
Obama didn't care - he wants to be King.
Check out the comment threads of New York Times and Washington Post articles. You'll see the same thing - Obamatrons posting comment after comment mere minutes after the article has been published."
4. Posted by Lee Ward |

"To this day, Barack Obama continues to lie to the American people about what he knew and when he knew it, as he continues to try to make excuses for staying and supporting Wright's hate-filled diatribes. Just yesterday, on ABC's "The View" Obama said the following:
Note the careful parsing of yet another Obama lie. Obama claims he didn't personally hear those sermons, and maybe that's true, but nonetheless Obama was well aware of the controversial sermons, and now chooses to lie about it. Over a year ago, in March, 2007, Obama took action precisely because of Wright's controversial positions."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 29, 08 03:30 PM


I mean WOW Lee. If anyone else had posted these things than you would be calling them a teabagging racist skinhead.

Especially on the issues of race. How can you support someone when you felt that strongly against them? Not only support them but wholeheartedly support most of what he is saying and doing.

Here we have you saying


'Today, I heartily support Obama in most of what he does"
Lee Ward posted 17 June 2010

You cant see the disconnect between those above stances.

All I can do is quote you again.

These true believers "Obama-ize" everything. They speak Obama-ese. Knit for Obama. Run for Obama. Gamble - Hold 'Em Barack! - for Obama. They make Obama cakes, underwear, jewelry. They send Valentine cards reading, "I want to Barack your world!"
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Feb 23, 08 11:33 AM


Lee Ward" and your... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Ward

" and your hate will someday consume you. I'll be happy to have done my part. "

reread YOUR COMMENTS against Obama.

Geez. Talk about all consuming hatred consuming you. And then you turn around and post adoring comments of him today and call everyone who disagrees with him a racist and a bigot.

Serious Hypocracy issues there guy.

lee weird - "Today, I... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "Today, I heartily support Obama in most of what he does. In areas where I don't support him I rarely if ever publicly disagree with him - at least not around here -- the same way most Republicans bit their tongue and didn't speak ill of McCain after he got the nomination. "

Well than if you truely believe that then you were either too consumed with distroying "Blue" as it's Lord and Master or you're a FLAT-OUT liar.

Might I suggest many critical posts right here that took McCain to task. In fact I'd guess there are dozens of them, do yorself, and us, a favor and hit the search button in the sidebar.

Better that than being the insufferable idiot that you apear to be.

• "As I've already said ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

• "As I've already said (but it bears repeating) Obama is demonstrating how wholly inadequate he is as a chief executive. Sitting on this problem until it boiled over and spilled all over the front pages is rank amateurism, and indicative of a man who sticks his head in the sand rather than pro-actively managing a crisis."
• Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 18, 08 12:30 PM


Lee

were you talking about the gulf oil spill here?

another favorite

"The sad part is that America was sold a bill of goods -- Barack lied and claimed he was better than the rest. Clearly he's no different than the rest, just less experienced and -- as recent events have shown, he's spent the last 20 years being coached by one of the world's best hatemongers.
His hatred of America and Americans who don't agree with him runs deep - his opposition to the primary do overs in Michigan and Florida are clear examples. Those are two states that favor Clinton over Obama, so in the ObamaWolrldView their votes shouldn't count.
American votes shouldn't be counted in those two states because the majority of voters in those states don't agree with Obama.
Think about the implications of having a President of the United States who works that hard to restrict the voting rights of Americans who don't agree with him..."
3. Posted by Lee Ward | March 21, 2008 8:51 AM

Sure seems like you have him pegged there Lee.


She was the better... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
She was the better choice among the two, I think that's becoming apparent over time.

Restatement of your original assertion. I was asking you why - not whether - you thought this.

On what grounds did you think she was the better choice? I happen to agree with you, but I'd rank Bo in a dead heat with Hillary, and Hillary a mile ahead of Barry. But that's me.

Mr. Ward,I believe... (Below threshold)
SER:

Mr. Ward,

I believe, on this site, you are the troll.

I thought I raised serious, adult questions in #52. If that is not the way you would like to be addressed or debated, let me know. I didn't read very much "hate" in the comments - other than yours. Is your "sign off" on #68 your method of "taking your ball and going home?" If yes, it appears that you are going home with your tail tucked between your legs.

SER

"Meanwhile we can let the t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

"Meanwhile we can let the trolls take over and spew their hate - "

We only have to look at your posts for hate Lee.

If you want serious questions why not try to answer the ones I asked.

And oh yeah, what about that bet on the upcoming election. Here is a serious question. Are you man enough to take the bet or not? Inquiring nonhateful minds want to know.

BTW it is painfully obvious why you have chosen to leave this thread. You have no desire to confront your words of the past and marry them up with your current posts.

lee weird - "Yeah - t... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "Yeah - that was me - bucking the party (and my co-bloggers) and pushing Clinton despite overwhelming odds and opposition from Democratic party leaders."

Geesh, consumed by self importance much?!

Unless, rather than an obvious dream state, you can produce quotes or other proof that "Democratic party leaders" were hounding you.

Oh... overwhelming odds my ass. You clung to Shillary's skirt to the last minute then shifted to obummer when it became obvious he was in fact the The Annointed One.

And regarless of the reason for the switch it in no way excuse the racist, yes I said racist, remarks directed at obummer by you.

Hell I might suggest you suffer from Negrophilia as a result of your "convserion."

Hipocrisy hardly covers your BS.

MarcI have to poin... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Marc

I have to point out one of Lee's quotes above that stands a chance to get lost in all that hatred.


" Oh, sure they do -- at least Barack Obama's chosen mentor for 20 years does, and Barack probably doesn't even realize the extent to which he himself has become a racist bigot as a result of 20 years of indoctrination into an idealogy that hates America."


"And so when you were us... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"And so when you were using "Doubting Thomas" you no longer disagreed?"

I was much more careful in my disagreement. After all, I was trying to get you to actually think - not just spout party doctrine.

"Of course you disagreed, you were just careful to avoid using the blathering, foaming at the mouth type of attacks you so clearly prefer - and you avoiding those because you knew you'd get banned for those attacks."

Yes, it was just so hateful of me to overtly disagree with you, wasn't it?

Disagreement doesn't equal hate, Lee. It didn't then, it doesn't now.

retired military... I won't... (Below threshold)
Marc:

retired military... I won't go so far as to say he's a bigot, but I will say obummer shows a bias that's not very presidential.

He said of his Grandmother she was a "typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society."

Kinda like his thoughts on the Mass police department who, without a shred of eviudence, were siad to act "stupidly."

MarcI wasnt trying... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Marc

I wasnt trying to say he was a bigot. I try use that word very carefully. I was just pointing out that some folks (*cough Lee Ward Cough*) throw that word out and use it against anyone who disagrees with them. Unlike some folks when I am called a bigot by the likes of Lee Ward I dont shy away and become shy, bashful or nonconfrontational. I welcome the confrontation as I know myself to not be a bigot. I have a stepdaughter that is biracial whom I love very muchand I am very aware of issues unlike folks like Lee Ward.

Didn't mean to imply you we... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Didn't mean to imply you were RM, and if I remember correctly we "went thru" our history of biracial members of our respective families before.

lee weird has probably escp... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird has probably escpaed to tend to his wounds, but just in case:

MSNBC's Schultz asks when Obama will 'become a Dictator' on Gulf cleanup.

In cutting the dividend or in joining up with that fund? In cutting the dividend, yeah, it's smart to save cash in the face of an unknown liability, but I'm very troubled by the fact that the President has, once again, created his own sense of a legal system. He fired the CEO of General Motors, he circumvented the rights of bond holders in the GM situation, and now he's confiscated $20 billion from a company wait a minute to set up, quote, a financial and legal framework that already exists. It's not his job to create laws. It's his job to enforce laws.

He was asked on what legal basis can the government demand that BP set aside this money?

Well, first of all, if we have to pass a statute to create that authority, we will, but I think the basic focus here is BP has said they're going to pay. So, let's start footing the bill.

There you have it, fuck present law, we'll make a new one and grandfather BP in.

Let me try again:<blo... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Let me try again:

She was the better choice among the two, I think that's becoming apparent over time.

Restatement of your original assertion. I was asking you why - not whether - you thought this.

On what grounds did you think she was the better choice? I happen to agree with you, but I'd rank Bo in a dead heat with Hillary, and Hillary a mile ahead of Barry. But that's me.

Seriously. I'd really like to know. Thanks.

More cowbell!... (Below threshold)
Wardall:

More cowbell!

lee weird - "Anyone w... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "Anyone who wades through RM's vomit deserves a serious answer to a serious question,"

Glad to see you call your previous somments that RM has posted as "vomit."

What you didn't mean that?

Frankly I didn't think so, but I must ask, why the racist comments directed at obama by you?

Lee,I feel retired... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Lee,

I feel retired military did us all a favor today by revisiting your WizbangBlue analysis of the "prenominated" Barack Obama. I am now perplexed trying to decide how your perception of him at that point was so incisive and your insight into his incompetency has completely deteriorated since his nomination. We could copy and repost RM's retrospective every time you enter some sort of support for Obama. I think your irrational mood swings are not serving you well. I think it is now a race to see who breaks first, you or Obama.

lee weird - "Who's "B... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "Who's "Bo"?"

As if you didn't know!

Cute way to avoid an snswer though, I'll give you that much.

Lee Lee LeeThe onl... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Lee Lee

The only vomit I have spewed is when I quote you.

" Insulting me is no way to get me to spend time answering your questions"

Lets see

Racists, skinheads, teabaggers, Mmm. Seems you can hurl the insults but dont like to be reminded of your own words Lee.

I have asked serious quesions Lee.

Let me repeat my wager.

If republicans win both houses of congress than you never post here again.

If republicans dont than I will never make a comment about one of your posts again.

Simple thing there Lee. Do you want to wager or not? You have emphatically stated that republicans dont stand a chance of winning both houses of congress (actually I think you said either but I dont feel like looking to double check so I give you the benefit of the doubt and set a higher bar for myself).

Another serious question Lee

Why are you running away from your own words? I would never do that. Go back through my posts and come back and quote me and see how I feel about the same subject today.

I asked you a simple adult question about how you felt about Obama then and how you can so willingly support him unhestitantly today and I get no response. If McCain had been eleceted you would have seen myself and others gnashing our teeth at his decisions (though I doubt they can be any worse than Obama's)

You shouldnt put into print something that you cant stand up and defend 2 short years later. You answer was pitiful at best.

You want "adult conversation" then TRY TO have some ADULT conversation instead of playing the race card every other thread. Your posts are a joke when you do that.

Saly for lee weird's wounds... (Below threshold)
Marc:

Saly for lee weird's wounds:

This from Jaun Williams, a committed leftest.

I think the problem here is this is an administration that, as Hillary Clinton famously pointed out, you may not want to have answer the 3:00 a.m. call.

These are guys who have tremendous vision about legislative achievements and specific things like health care, going forward on immigration, those difficult issues for America that America so far has failed to deal with.

But when it comes to the crisis, when it comes to the gulf oil spill, the wars, the recession, they feel as if it's being imposed upon them, rather than taking the helm. I think that's what Americans are sensing right here. And I think it's the source of their problem at the moment. Are you able to handle a crisis in a convincing way that inspires confidence? And so far, the president hasn't done that.

Mr. Ward,I have "a... (Below threshold)
SER:

Mr. Ward,

I have "asked away." In comment #52, I requested that you use one of Gov. Palin's real quotes as opposed to a Tina Fey quote to show her "functional idiocy." Also, I questioned your statement concerning the President's speaking to the nation as a group of college students - with allusion to a linked study. You did not respond. For someone who likes to insult others (e.g., "racist tea baggers"), you seem somewhat sensitive to insults.

Bo is the First Dog. ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Bo is the First Dog.

But back to my question...

Jayref comment 91.... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay

ref comment 91.

It isnt nice to refer to Lee Ward like that. Even if it is true.

"Insulting me is no way to ... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

"Insulting me is no way to get me to spend time answering your questions."

This coming from someone who tosses out insults as his primary debating style, as in #68. That's rich.
You do not answer serious questions, such as Jay's in #82.

retired military is doing a great job in pointing out your obvious hypocrisy. Got a problem with that? Try answering like an adult.

#68 alone proves you are no adult, but just a little racist hateful troll.

Seryou neglected t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Ser

you neglected to mention the words, bootlicker, trolls, and skinhead.

Good luck getting a response from Lee. At this point in the conversation he generally shuts up and drifts away for a day or two only to come back and call someone else a racist.

Take for instance this quote of Lee Ward above

"That's why the whole "Obama is socialist" meme is such a joke"

Now in another thread someone asked Lee what his definition of a socialist was. A perfectly reasonable "Adult question".

What was the response. Crickets chirping.

Dam. Go away for a few hou... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Dam. Go away for a few hours and the place just burns down.

Lee,

I think you owe everyone an explanation of how your rhetoric against barry in the primaries is not racially motivated. I think you also owe everyone an apology for constantly calling milder criticism of barry racism.

I think you should count yourself exceptionally lucky that you haven't been banned here.

Lee specializes in unfounde... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Lee specializes in unfounded charges of racism in an effort to distract his opponents from the fact that he is 1) a racist himself (evidence his own posts reposted above) and 2) he is incapable of actually backing his arguments up with facts.

It's more than past the time he ought to be banned here. He is incapable of civil discourse.

@Jay in #91: Oh, I see. You... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

@Jay in #91: Oh, I see. Your serious question is that you think the President's dog is a better choice for President than Obama and you rank Clinton right up there with Obama's dog and you want to know why I would disagree with you.

You failed the "adult" test. Feel free to try again. I'm serious - I'm not going to waste my time with children.

@Jay: "I have "asked away." In comment #52, I requested that you use one of Gov. Palin's real quotes as opposed to a Tina Fey quote to show her "functional idiocy." "

This is Sarah Palin's performance under pressure. Listen to her voice crack in the very first sentence - that's her performance under pressure. BAD SIGN! CAN'T HANDLE BEING PUT ON THE SPOT.

Watch her repeat herself when asked a followup question. Watch her attempt to form a coherent sentence, for crying out loud. The first minute or 90 seconds is enough, you don't need to watch the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbg6hF0nShQ

More: Watch Palin again, under pressure, dance around the question "Do you support the Bush doctrine?"

It's a legitimate question. Anyone vying for the office of the VP needs to know what the Bush Doctrine is - it was the basis for our defense policy for 8 years. I KNEW what it was. She didn't have a clue - she wasn't coached on that question.

And when the term "Bush doctrine" was explained to Palin by Charlie she still doesn't know what he's talking about. Instead her "blizzard of words" betrays her total (sorry folks) lack of intelligence. That's my opinion, yours may vary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z75QSExE0jU

The blogging software at Wizbang only allows two links per comment but there are so many more examples of Palin's low IQ it isn't funny.

And these performances were later characterized by McCain campaign operatives as being emblematic of the extent Palin was totally unqualified for the job. Republican operatives said in confidence later that she was unqualified!

Palin is wholly unqualified to be in a position of power. She cannot take pressure, as was further proven when she resigned as Governor because she was hounded. Poor baby, imagine if an enemy of the US was pressuring her. She'd crack, no question.

@Jay in #91: Oh, I... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:
@Jay in #91: Oh, I see. Your serious question is that you think the President's dog is a better choice for President than Obama and you rank Clinton right up there with Obama's dog and you want to know why I would disagree with you.

You failed the "adult" test. Feel free to try again. I'm serious - I'm not going to waste my time with children.

Well, obviously I will.

Let me try yet again: why did you think Clinton would be better than Obama? Why?

I previously offered my jocular rating of them, but won't repeat it so as not to provide a red herring.

Just a simple, straight-up question: why did you think Clinton would be better than Obama?

I've figured it out. Lee is... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I've figured it out. Lee is an attention whore and a drama queen, all in one ugly bigoted package.

lee weird - "No more ... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "No more adults so far. I'll check back in a few hours, picking up with comment #99 and whatever follows."

Pot meet Kettle.

Or is it Wizbanf meeat asshole?

max - "Geez Marc, your desperate cries for attention are kinda embarassing. For you."

Geesh asswipe, in a comment thread of over 100 responses you come WAY LATE to the party and that's all you got?

Asswipe, but I repeat myself.

Mr. Ward,If we lin... (Below threshold)
SER:

Mr. Ward,

If we link to comments by Vice President Biden that demonstrate similar or more confused comments on the issues, you would refer to him as a "functional idiot?"

I've figured it out. Lee... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I've figured it out. Lee is an attention whore and a drama queen, all in one ugly bigoted package.

Yep. You nailed it, Gmac.

OK, that tears it. Please b... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

OK, that tears it. Please ban the worthless turd Lee Ward.

@jay in #100: "why did y... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

@jay in #100: "why did you think Clinton would be better than Obama? Why?"

Clinton had more experience than Obama. You can poo-poo 8 years in the White House as First Lady as being "experience" but Hillary, unlike my mom and many women of that generation, was not a housewife but was actively involved in the White House. Plus she had her time as US Senator to New York.

Plus she had Bill Clinton behind her. Bill not only presided over a significant period of economic expansion, he managed the budget down to a surplus. That's a lot of valuable experience whispering in her ear.

Plus, she's a pragmatist. Obama promised things he couldn't deliver and fed off of people's hope. I knew Obama couldn't deliver on his promise of bipartisan "healing" - I knew it was an unrealistic empty campaign promise. Unlike Obama, Clinton would have gone in there and slapped around Republicns and Democrats to get the job done.

And she's more liberal and progressive than Obama, as I stated elsewhere here. Obama is a centrist. You may find that hard to believe, but he is. The "liberalism" we've seen during his administration is the result of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Rahm Emanuel, etc pushing their agenda onto the naive Obama and him going along for the ride. That too was predictable. He's a great orator, but lacked the experience and know-how of Clinton, in addition to lacking the progressive bona-fides to really push through a progressive agenda. He's Casper Milquetoast.

And I think Hillary's performance as Sect. of State bears this out. Pragmatic, practical, realist, effective. Given the choices we had, she was my choice.

From a practical standpoint, ie "winning the election in 2008" - it would have been an extremely strong ticket if it was Clinton/Obama, with Obama as VP for the first four years - and after he gets some real experience under his belt then let's look at him again in 2012.

I don't think there is anyone in this room who would disagree that Clinton/Obama would have been better for the nation than Obama/Biden.

And -- we are long overdue for a woman as President. Diversity does count. The GOP fielded 11 white men. American wanted change. Hillary would have been "change" and just as electable from a "change" standpoint as Obama.

ANd "change" mattered - you remember McCain and Palin claiming to be "mavericks" - that was their attempt to be "change". We now know McCain was lying about being a Maverick - big surprise - so was Obama. Hillary was, imho, the real deal.

Finally, she was so poorly treated by the press and by the Democratic establishment. Bucking the bias in the press and the Democratic fat cats in Washington is never a bad idea. Hillary tried and failed, but a few days ago a poll came out indicating that today she's got a higher approval rating than Obama. If she'd been elected President that would still be true, in my view. She was a better choice.

Nonetheless, once the tickets were set, Sarah Palin was the deal breaker. She should never, ever get back on the ticket if you guys want to win back the White House.

Lee Ward"This is S... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Ward

"This is Sarah Palin's performance under pressure. Listen to her voice crack in the very first sentence - that's her performance under pressure. BAD SIGN! CAN'T HANDLE BEING PUT ON THE SPOT."

But here (. Posted by Lee Ward | March 13, 2008) you said

"If attacking me by making up quotes I never said, and taking things I did say and injecting them out of the context of Obama's press avoidance, you're somehow suggesting -- what? That Obama is avoiding the press because of Hillary?
Is his opponent causing his to make bad choices?
Awwww, poor Barack - Hillary made him run from the press.
Is that what you're suggesting? I'm not clear on how what you've written addresses the question of Obama's hiding from the press.
He can answer questions without throwing mud, can't he? Maybe not. And just keeping his mouth shut is a strategy?
"Rising above it all," which is something Obambi promised then quickly abandoned when he felt it was costing him a single frickin' point in the polls, was a worthy goal. Too bad that we're now learning that, like so many other things Barack said - it was all bullshit.
But I notice that now, in light of G. Ferraro's remarks - Barack is pretending to elevate himself above the fray, and waffling on the question of mudslinging and counter-attacking -- just as I predicted he'd waffle in a comment exchange we had last week. Where last week he was on the attack to show how tough he is -- this week he's wimped out again and pretending he's above it all.
Which just goes back to the another point I keep harping on (Bad Lee, bad! lol) -- that Obambi is not handling the stress well.
Neither are some of his supporters."

So since you are claiming that Palin isnt worthy of being VP because she (in your opinion) cant handle stress but Obama is worthy of being President even if he can handle the pressure of answering a few questions from the press?

BTW Lee"It's a leg... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Lee

"It's a legitimate question. Anyone vying for the office of the VP needs to know what the Bush Doctrine is - it was the basis for our defense policy for 8 years. I KNEW what it was. She didn't have a clue - she wasn't coached on that question"

Umm lets visit this statement shall we. Seems (as usual) you have NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT but hey dont let the facts get in the way of running your mouth.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/08/sarah-barracuda-palin-and-the-piranhas-of-the-press/


...The Interviews.
The first of her in-depth network sit downs came with ABC's Charles Gibson. In those sessions, Palin came across as iffy, just barely treading water. But the press dunked her, particularly after witnessing this exchange:
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?
PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?
GIBSON: What do you interpret it to be?
PALIN: His worldview?
GIBSON: No, the Bush Doctrine, enunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq War.
(Palin, clearly not knowing what he's driving at, responds with generalities before Gibson interjects as though he's a civics teacher and she's a lazy student.)
GIBSON: "The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense. That we have the right of a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?"

This was widely cited in the media as proof that Palin was unready and over her head, and that McCain had done something "cynical" in choosing her. Except that Bush never said that, exactly, and certainly never suggested Iraq was one of many nations to be invaded. Gibson was simply wrong in suggesting the so-called "Bush Doctrine" was as immutable as the Monroe Doctrine. The "Bush Doctrine" was always a fuzzy concept, usually described that way by the president's critics as a way of expressing disagreement with his approach to foreign policy.
I remember seeing the phrase for the first time in a think piece by Steven Weisman in The New York Times in April 2002 - the very time frame suggested by Charlie Gibson. Weisman, writing about Ariel Sharon and the Middle East, defines the "doctrine" much differently than Gibson. ("Washington is filled right now with speculation about the state of Mr. Bush's thinking and which of his advisers have gained the upper hand," he wrote. "Vice President Dick Cheney and the hawks in the Pentagon are said to have encouraged Mr. Bush to support Mr. Sharon's military drive, arguing that it was simply an extension of the so-called Bush Doctrine, which holds those who harbor terrorists accountable for terrorism.")

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1161035,CST-NWS-mitch14.article

"Sarah Palin makes me sick. I hate that she was able to steal Barack Obama's mojo just by showing up wearing rimless glasses and a skirt.

I hate that she makes Joe Biden look like John McCain and John McCain look like the maverick he is not.
..
Not even ABC's Charlie Gibson can slow Palin's mouth.

I disagree with the people who claim Gibson caught her off guard during her interview when he asked her whether she agreed with the "Bush Doctrine."

"In what respect?" Palin fired back without so much as a stutter.

In fact, it was Gibson doing the sputtering as he pressed Palin to answer a question that he didn't seem to know the answer to himself."

The document normally called the "Bush doctrine" can be found here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/nsc/

Overview of America's International Strategy

2. Champion Aspirations for Human Dignity

3. Strengthen Alliances to Defeat Global Terrorism and Work to Prevent Attacks Against Us and Our Friends

4. Work with others to Defuse Regional Conflicts

5. Prevent Our Enemies from Threatening Us, Our Allies, and Our Friends with Weapons of Mass Destruction

6. Ignite a New Era of Global Economic Growth through Free Markets and Free Trade

7. Expand the Circle of Development by Opening Societies and Building the Infrastructure of Democracy

8. Develop Agendas for Cooperative Action with the Other Main Centers of Global Power

9. Transform America's National Security Institutions to Meet the Challenges and Opportunities of the Twenty-First Century


Gee discuss all that in 2 minutes

Lets look at what others have called the BUSH DOCTRINE

September 20, 2001
PETER JENNINGS: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, 'From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.' Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,

September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We'll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.

September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That's pretty broad. Broader than you expected?

December 9, 2001
GEORGE WILL: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it's part of the Bush doctrine.

December 11, 2001
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: Two years ago, September 1999, Bush gave his first speech when he was running about terrorism. And his first--had the first explanation of the Bush doctrine, that if you harbor a terrorist, you're going to be attacked. The Bush White House is putting this out, saying it shows that Bush was very prescient, but that was only one speech given in the campaign.

January 28, 2002
BOB WOODWARD: This is now the Bush Doctrine . . . , namely that if we're attacked by terrorists, we will not just go after those terrorists but the countries or the people who harbor them.

January 29, 2002
GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: It was striking and significant that the president really expanded the Bush doctrine. If a nation builds a weapon of mass destruction--Iraq, Iran or North Korea--we will reserve the right to take out those weapons even if we're not attacked or even if there's not a threat.

March 19, 2004
TERRY MORAN: That was the Bush doctrine we just heard. On this one-year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush offered a very broad justification of American leadership in the world under him since 9/11. Not just since one year in Iraq. For American voters as an argument that the country is safer, but more as you point out, for the world, which has been divided by his leadership, that Iraq is knit, in his mind, very firmly into that war on terrorism. One omission which I believe will be noted around the world, he made no mention of the role of multilateral institutions, the UN and others, in this fight against terrorism. In his mind, it's clear it's American leadership with others following along.

May 7, 2006
GEORGE WILL: Now the argument from the right is the CIA is a rogue agent because it has not subscribed to the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine being that American security depends on the spread of democracy and we know how to do that. The trouble is, Negroponte, who is considered by some of these conservatives the villain here and an enemy of the Bush doctrine is the choice of Bush, which makes Bush an insufficient subscriber to the Bush doctrine.

There's no question in my m... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:

There's no question in my mind that Obama was a better choice than Palin, RM. The majority of voters had the same view, despite the shortcomings we (Dems and Repubs) saw in Obama, Palin was a too far down the road.

And you're only looking at the "pressure" factor. Obama is far and away more intelligent than Palin. Thinking your way through problems counts for a lot. Obama has that ability, Palin doesn't.

Like all libs Lee's positio... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Like all libs Lee's positions change with the wind. He does not bother to examine if they make sense and does not cop to the fact that he has contradicted himself.

Heck, the benefit of being a lib is not having to maintain positions that are logically compatible.

But seriously... I believe that if Lee does not apologize for all his accusations of racism and pledge to cease them in the future he should be banned. Especially in light of the numerous quotes from his posts here that he would excoriate as racist if anyone else made them about barry.

Hey Lee"Palin is w... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Hey Lee

"Palin is wholly unqualified to be in a position of power"

Well gee maybe in 2 years you will feel differently after all.

"When the red phone rings at 3am Obama will turn to his advisers for input.
That's pretty scary given the perfect trifecta of Obama adviser stoogery we've witnessed this last week.
4. Posted by Lee Ward
"

"Just another example of his inexperience and the fact that he's out of his league and not ready for prime time by running for president at this point in his political life."
2. Posted by Lee Ward | March 7, 2008 6:02

"We cannot have a President who subjugates himself in this manner. Having Barack Obama as President negotiate with the likes of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would be absolute suicide for this country. The man is an orator, not a negotiator, and when faced with 'opposition' he yields power quickly."
Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 15, 08 09:47 AM

RM,Well played, Si... (Below threshold)
SER:

RM,

Well played, Sir. Well played!

Lee WardNice way t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Ward

Nice way to avoid the nice question on the Bush doctrine which you use as proof of Palin being incompetent.

As usual you are full of shit.

So let me shorten it down for you. Which Bush doctrine did you want to her to explain.
The one posted on the WH web site or the one described by Jennings, the 2 or 3 descriptions by Gibson, one of the 2 by WIll, one of the 2 by Stephanopoulus, by Woodward, or the one by Moran.

SER/bow... (Below threshold)
retired military:

SER

/bow

So are you guys talking abo... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

So are you guys talking about Obama and stuff?

Hey Lee"Listen to ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Hey Lee

"Listen to her voice crack in the very first sentence"

Last time I checked there was a famous leader who stuttered.

What was his name again>? Let me see.

Oh yeah.

Moses.

I just got in and missed al... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

I just got in and missed all the fun.

This thread does it for me.... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

This thread does it for me.

Wizbang is a great place for opinions. It has great and varied authors, and he same with many of the people who post. Even if I do not agree with them, most are civil and bring much to the conversation.

However, the person who goes by the name Lee Ward cannot be tolerated in civil society.
The hatred, racism and lying is there for all to see throughout this thread, courtesy of retired military.

Until such time as this childish troll is dealt with, I will no longer frequent Wizbang.

Legitimate question<p... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Legitimate question

a. Do you accept my bet or not.

b. which "bush doctrine" did you want Palin to answer about. (I mean I gave you a list, it shouldnt be that hard)

c. You wish to call me racist and as a basis you say " Just look at the hours you've spent on this."
Yet I look at wizbangblue archives and see months that spent researching and writing antiObama articles and saying a lot worse about him than I have.

So does that make you racist using the standard that you have judged me by?

BTW SERDId you see... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW SER

DId you see what I meant about how Lee Ward


a. Doesnt answer simple questions

b. When he runs out of steam he plays the race card even though I have stated on at least 3 different occasions to him that I have a biracial daughter (just like Obama is biracial) whom I love very much.

c. How he will not apply the same judgement to his actions that he uses to judge others.

BTW LeeIn ref to m... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Lee

In ref to my "spending hours" on this.

a. it has actually been about 2 hours, I read fast and type fast.

b. I believe in knowing my opponent and using their own words against them (With you that his hysterically easy)

and

c. You should be flattered that someone is actually taking the time to read the drivel you posted on wizbangblue and pay enough attention to it to cut and paste pertinent quotes.

OK, sorry, I take it back. ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

OK, sorry, I take it back. I thought you were just going to continuing evading the question.

I agree Hillary would be better than Obama, but as I indicated earlier, that's a precious low standard.

Here's my take.

1. "More experience than Obama." Hell, I've got more executive experience than Obama.

2. "Time in the White House." Laura Bush for President? Hillary didn't actually do anything except live there. Her only effort was when Bill put her in charge of HillaryCare, which came to nothing.

3. "Bill presided over a significant period of economic expansion." So did Bush, despite 9/11.

4. "Bill managed the budget down to a surplus." No, he didn't. The President does not control the budget - Congress does that (civics 101). (Recall Dem threats to cut off funding for the Iraq War.) Clinton gets no credit for the surplus, which came from 1) a Republican Congress resisting spending (remember the "Contract with America," and the shutdown of government over budget fights? Bill was on the other, losing, side.) and 2) the dot-com bubble, with the attendant increase in tax revenues. (Btw, #2 is why California is screwed now; state Dem legislators saw those windfall tax revenues, went "whoopee!" and passed legislation to buy votes from public sector unions. The Dot-com bubble burst, but we still have the staggering pension obligations that they enacted, and that's why we're broke. Also why Gray Davis lost his job.)

5. "Obama is a centrist." Whoa. Center of the CPUSA, maybe. How can anyone talking about redistributing wealth be considered a centrist?

6. "He's a great orator." No, he isn't. He gives good teleprompter. Speaking extemporaneously, he's hard pressed to order a cheeseburger.

7. "Hillary's performance as Sect. of State bears this out." What has Hillary done as SecState? Seriously, I can't think of a thing. Barry pretty much has kept her in Witness Protection.

8. "it would have been an extremely strong ticket if it was Clinton/Obama." Hallelujah, we agree (although I'd say a stronger ticket, but I won't quibble about that.) Even Biden/Obama would have been better than Obama/Biden.

9. "we are long overdue for a woman as President." Gotta disagree. Identity politics sticks in my craw. How about a Zoroastrian President? No hermaphrodites yet, either (as far as we know). So you'll support Palin then, I take it? Woman and all, you know.

10. "she was so poorly treated by the press and by the Democratic establishment." Was she ever. I agree. So was Palin. I'm not a supporter of either one, but the savagery shown both of them by the tolerant, woman-supporting liberals shocked me. Kinda gives the lie to their sanctimonious pronouncements about women, diversity, etc., doesn't it? Clarence Thomas would doubtless agree. Bottom line: all the women/minority boosterism from liberals only masks a profoundly ugly face underneath. Deviate from the Party line, and prepare to be flayed.

To wander into tin-foil hat territory, it seems to me that Obama has been groomed for this from day one. By whom? To what purpose? Doors have flown open for him, honors and recognition heaped upon him in the absence of discernible achievement, opponents ambushed and cheapshotted (from Alice Palmer to Jim Ryan to Hillary Clinton), every potential obstacle effortlessly...circumvented. Gotta make you wonder. If he did this without the support of a clandestine network, he definitely should buy lottery tickets for his 401(k). Agree?

As far as what seems to be ... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

As far as what seems to be the overarching theme here, I'm in the same boat as Lee. McCain wasn't my first, second, or third choice for the nomination. Frankly, nobody on the R side did much for me. But once he got the nomination I swallowed my bile, held my nose, and voted for him.

Definitely a lesser of two evils deal, although if I were a progressive having McCain in the WH with an overwhelming D majority in Congress means that cap-and-trade, immigration, and some other things that are dead in the water now probably would have breezed through.

OTOH, we wouldn't have passed that craptacular stimulus bill or the craptacularer health care bill.

Bah!

However, the perso... (Below threshold)
jim m:
However, the person who goes by the name Lee Ward cannot be tolerated in civil society. The hatred, racism and lying is there for all to see throughout this thread, courtesy of retired military.

Until such time as this childish troll is dealt with, I will no longer frequent Wizbang.

121. Posted by Sky Captain | June 17, 2010 8:19 PM

When, Oh when, will the powers that be at Wizbang wake up to the fact that Lee Ward is not provideing any diversity of opinion, but that his hypocrasy, intellectual dishonesty and baseless accusations of racism are driving away people who would otherwise be interested in contributing.

Really, how low does one have to go to accuse of racism someone who has a daughter of mixed race? This is not someone seeking to find understanding or make a point by rational argument.

The fact that people are preempting Lee by making facetious accusations of racism should tell you how far this has gone.

Too far.

There's no ques... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

There's no question in my mind that Obama was a better choice than Palin

But Palin was a better choice than Michelle! /g

Both are interesting, but irrelevant, since Palin wasn't running for President, and Michelle wasn't running for VP. The relevant comparison was Obama vs. McCain. You know, like with like.

Sorry to see you go Sky Cap... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Sorry to see you go Sky Captain. Although I would counsel you to stick around and take a "sticks and stones may break my bones" approach to comments with which you disagree or find offensive. I don't offend easily, and quite frankly once someone starts calling me a racist I know I've got them licked.

Or you can set the comment score threshold to -1 and the vast majority of the negatively received comments won't show up.

FWIW, I don't really police the comments and wouldn't delete/ban anyone unless they went way, way, way over the line - i.e. openly racist comments (the "N" bomb), snooping and posting someone's personal info, something like that.

This ain't my sandbox, but as far as I'm concerned you can have at it in my little corner. At least until someone drops the hammer on you...

given the choic... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

given the choice between Obama/Biden and Granpa/Barbie

In the spirit of the thing, shouldn't that be Skycap/Nutcase and Granpa/Barbie?

Jay"What has Hilla... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay

"What has Hillary done as SecState?"

Well she gave Russia the RESET button that didnt say RESET.

-----------

Baron

"McCain wasn't my first, second, or third choice for the nomination. Frankly, nobody on the R side did much for me. But once he got the nomination I swallowed my bile, held my nose, and voted for him"

Hey I agree with you and even agreed with Lee.
Our first choices werent on the ballot.

The difference is while we held our noses and voted for McCain (and still rip on him to this day) we didnt fall in undying love with the guy and contradict everything we posted about him for months, we didnt accuse anyone who didnt agree with his actions of racism, and we dont refuse to answer honest questions about position.

Yeah, RM, I know, it was a ... (Below threshold)
Jay Guevara:

Yeah, RM, I know, it was a rhetorical question. Objectively, Hillary hasn't done squat. In her defense, Barry's made damned sure she couldn't have done squat, even if she could/would have done so.

Which just goes to show he's an idiot. She's going to challenge him for the nomination in 2012. He should have pushed to the fore, so their fates were linked, and she couldn't dissociate herself from him. That would have been the smart thing for Barry to do. We can therefore exclude that as a possibility.

"I don't judge you, RM. I d... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

"I don't judge you, RM. I don't give a crap about you one way or the other. I'm a little concerned about your unnatural interest in this subject and interest in stalking me, but hey - Larry Craig said he isn't gay, and you're entitled to say you're not a racist, and that's ok by me."

Uh oh, pretending he's above it all then making gay AND racist references in the same post. He's getting desperate. I think he's beginning to crack.

Lee Ward"don't do ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee Ward

"don't do bets - and you don't strike me as having enough honesty and integrity to live up to the bargain even if I did. Beside, I leave if I lose and you don't if I win? It's a ridiculous wager."

Hmm

It seemed that the first time I suggested this wager you said you had already won that bet against someone else twice. Once in 2006 and once in 2008. Now you are saying that you dont bet. Shall I find the quote that calls you a liar?

As for the fairness , Fair enough.

How about loser doesnt post again ever. Now last time I asked Jay Tea to be arbitrator he chewed me out. So it will have be a friendly man to man bet with honor attached. If you are so sure that republicans wont win both houses than you have absolutely nothing to lose

As for my integrity. Hmm. I guess I shouldnt be suprised you want to question that since you are the beacon of honesty on this site. Why not test my integrity and see if you are right?

Ref the race thing

You are the one known to play the race card, not me. You are the one accusing people of racims, not I, you are the one painting with a broad brush not I. The only one that cant see it is you.

Speaking of broad brush

"DId you grow up in the south"

" lots of us know that you retired folks have some old-fashioned ideas when it comes to race."

"Surely it isn't the black man in the White House driving you to the extreme levels, is it?"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


"So turnabout is fair play. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

Hey you are the one running like a scared kid from your own comments. Not me. You are the one refusing to make a gentleman's wager, Not I.

"I'm not the only person who perceives racism on the part of the some on the right"

Let's see Jim X doesnt think man has landed on the moon. Do you see me putting you in that category? The sheriff who used dogs against African Americans in the 60s at polling places was a democrat. Byrd was a democrat in the Klan. Shall I put you in those categories since you have raised the racism card so many times yourself?

You throw the race card around like it is something to be used with someone that just doesnt agree with your ideas at the time (but who happens to agree with quite a bit on your opinion of Obama from 2 years ago). That does as much damage IMO as actual racism.

You talk about broad brushes but you dont realize that my brush is a toothpick vs the 100 foot roller that you use on a regular basis.


"What you think about me doesn't really bother me at all."

Ditto. The only differences are

a. I stand by what I write

b. I am not afraid to have my integrity tested.

c. I am not afraid to make a bet and see if the other person is man enough to carry it out.

"I don't judge you, RM"

You just make veiled innuendoes about my being southern and retired right.


"I don't give a crap about you one way or the other"

Again Ditto.


"- Larry Craig said he isn't gay"

Not that I care but I guess he must have turned you down for a date. Dont look for no man lovin from me.

BTW Lee<a href="ht... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Lee

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/06/15/npr-poll-trends-are-antidemocrat-not-antiincumbent.php

comment 24.

Lee Ward

"Will the Democrats lose the majority? Not a chance. The Tea Party has seen to that"

Tell you what Lee, got enough guts for a friendly bet?

------------------

Lee ward
"I won the same bets in the 2006 and 2008 elections. "

Gee Lee, Either you were lying then or lying now. Which is it?

RM,I think it is r... (Below threshold)
jim m:

RM,

I think it is reasonably obvious that by his own standards we can assume that Lee opposed obama in the primaries because Lee is a racist. Furthermore, he calls all of barry's detractors racists because he feels the need to distract people from his own racism.

He seeks to neutralize the issue of his own racism by forcing his opponents to defend their attitudes before his own obvious racism can be called into question. Were it otherwise he would answer your questions. Instead he merely attacks your character hoping that by doing so he will avoid having to answer for his own bigotry.

Jim MGood analysis... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jim M

Good analysis. I doubt I would have ever thought of it. After all, I am just an old retired guy from the south what the heck do I know. HAHAHAHAHHAHA

@ Baron in #29:Ok,... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

@ Baron in #29:

Ok, I'll give it a try - but Lee hijacks every thread even if the comment score threshold is set to -1. I've tried it. This is because Lee is so incredibly ... Lee.

@ Lee in #130

Let me get this straight - you're calling LGF a RIGHT WING website? Have you actually read it lately? Charles Johnson has gone off the diving board on the left wing end of the pool.

For someone who claims not to be a racist, you certainly play the racist card a lot.

What are your views towards Martin Luther King's dream?

Lee,If you are cit... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Lee,

If you are citing Charles Johnson as an example of rational thought that certainly explains a lot about you. As Sky Captain said, Charles has gone off the deep end at the left side of the pool. He has for several years now been a denisen of the wacko left with continual anti right and anti religious screeds on his site.

Your agreeing with Charles does not make him a lefty. His being a lefty is why you agree with him. Charles is a top level flake.

LeeWhat about the ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Lee

What about the bet? Yes or no.

Dont say asked and answered because if you do than you are saying that you are a liar.

140. Posted by Lee Ward | J... (Below threshold)
justpassingthrough:

140. Posted by Lee Ward | June 17, 2010 10:12 PM

I guess the last primary's really proved that.
BTW
Now your calling Chuckie's site right wing?
That's to laugh.

Lee lies once again.<... (Below threshold)

Lee lies once again.

According to Charles Johnson, whose right wing website link appears here on Wizbang, the Tea Paarty is being hijacked by racists and wingnuts.

I happen to agree with him, but our agreement doesn't make him a leftie - he's just concerned about how far right the wingnuts are going.

LGF's been off the sidebar for some time now. And I can't go ask him, because I got banned for not toeing the party line.

I've also documented Charles' descent into moonbattery. Not as thoroughly as others, but I claim "credit" for getting him to delete his "LGF dictionary" when I quoted some of his more interesting entries. And I got my very own posting!

I don't recall... who went power-mad raving psycho on the ban-hammer first, you or Charles?

J.

For those interested...<blo... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

For those interested...

Is the Tea Party a 'Social Justice' Movement?

As I made my way on an April morning from Harvard Square to a Tea Party Express rally on the Boston Commons, a quotation and a question wound together in my mind. The quotation is a familiar one from William F. Buckley, that he would rather be governed by the first two thousand people listed in the Boston phone directory than the two thousand who comprise the faculty at Harvard University. Buckley was not condemning intelligence or intellectual achievement. He was expressing trust in the moral intuitions and pragmatic sensibilities of ordinary Americans, and indulging in a playful bit of sacred cow tipping.

The liberal aristocracy are apt to swoon not over intelligence -- which is found just as much in nurses, mechanics, and executives as it is in the halls of academe -- but over the appearance of intelligence, advanced degrees and faculty appointments, the trappings of an elite education. As Buckley understood, a graduate degree is all too often an elaborate exercise in the avoidance of common sense. Impressionable minds are encouraged to reject the conventions of broader society and conform to the trends and fashions of the illuminati instead, and to cultivate the superior disdain of the learned herd for the unlearned horde.

All of this was abundantly in evidence at the Boston Tea Party rally. Animosity and ignorance, prejudice and bigotry, aggression and scorn for "the other" were on full and lurid display on that otherwise beautiful spring morning (see pictures here). However, very little came from the Tea Partiers themselves. More by far came from the numerous counter-protestors, many of whom had obviously shambled over from the scores of colleges and universities scattered around the Boston/Cambridge area. They held signs extolling the entertainment value of abortions, mocked the participants, and accused them of all the usual phobias and -isms.

Sign-holders who were apparently in secure possession of their mental faculties were scarcely bothered by reporters and photographers. Yet the journalists were irresistibly attracted to those (and there were a few) who wore hunting gear or combat fatigues or otherwise looked like they might have just left a militia meeting. These fit the narrative the journalists had been determined to tell ever since they had woken up that morning.

What I witnessed in the Tea Partiers, however, were a moral, sensible, and patriotic people who had a justified concern that their representatives have grown disconnected from those they represent, and are perpetuating a dysfunctional political culture that will thrust our country back to the precipice of economic collapse. Washington cannot pour rivers of money we do not possess into thousands of programs we do not need, in exchange for the mountains of votes that will keep them in power, and complain when the taxpayers get upset. The Tea Partiers are not objecting because they would rather leave the poor to rot than surrender a little more of their money; polls show (as I will discuss in the next part of this series) that Tea Partiers are perfectly willing to accept the need for moderate taxation and social services. Rather, Tea Partiers are objecting because they fear that Washington is caught in a vicious circle of reckless spending and political payback that will cripple our economy and harm all Americans, rich and poor. Doesn't fit the left's narrative - but then, reality often doesn't.

Jay Tea"Lee lies o... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

"Lee lies once again."

In other news the sun rose and set today.

Drat. You know, it's aggra... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Drat. You know, it's aggravating when your blockquotes don't work properly. Last section should be...

What I witnessed in the Tea Partiers, however, were a moral, sensible, and patriotic people who had a justified concern that their representatives have grown disconnected from those they represent, and are perpetuating a dysfunctional political culture that will thrust our country back to the precipice of economic collapse. Washington cannot pour rivers of money we do not possess into thousands of programs we do not need, in exchange for the mountains of votes that will keep them in power, and complain when the taxpayers get upset. The Tea Partiers are not objecting because they would rather leave the poor to rot than surrender a little more of their money; polls show (as I will discuss in the next part of this series) that Tea Partiers are perfectly willing to accept the need for moderate taxation and social services. Rather, Tea Partiers are objecting because they fear that Washington is caught in a vicious circle of reckless spending and political payback that will cripple our economy and harm all Americans, rich and poor.
Doesn't fit the left's narrative - but then, reality often doesn't.

lee weird - "Obama is... (Below threshold)
Marc:

lee weird - "Obama is a centrist."

Yeah, 'cause all "centrists" takeover car companies and slip a takover of the student load business in a shady reconciliation health care passage.

link for above quotes... (Below threshold)
Lee Ward:
Lee, I answered you on that... (Below threshold)

Lee, I answered you on that. Too bad of all of America's enemies, Obama's only killing the darkies. And you're the racist, because you conflate "terrorists" and "pirates" with "darkies."

And I was banned from LGF for pointing out that Charles' pet scumbag, Kilgore Trout, was a scumbag.

Getting banned by you was an honor -- a very, very, very junior version of the honor of being by LGF.

So, what happened to your argument about how Charles is such an authority on the right wing? It's a tossup who's more of a paranoid moonbat whackjob, you or him.

Spin us some more of your fables, Lee. Like how I'm just waiting for an excuse to ban you. I'll have to double-check, but I think you've got every single one of my colleagues ready to ban you, and I'm the only think keeping them at bay.

And your entertainment value is rapidly expiring.

Gee, I wonder what would happen if I were to tell them I was no longer interested in protecting you? Which would be the first to ban you? Would you have a single supporter among the staff here?

Want to find out, Lee? Or will you ignore my repeated offers to withdraw my protection of you, and instead keep up your lies and libels, as you have every other time I've brought it up?

J.

The man who has been in all... (Below threshold)

The man who has been in all 57 or 58 states and is looking forward to visiting them all, TelePrompTers over our heads?

Yair.

And CNN's burgeoning customer base speaks similarly to its acumen in that area of its expertise, too.

That is: as an assessor of the competence of the American electorate, CNN's a pretty average cable 'news'-caster.

Newsweek a reliable source.... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Newsweek a reliable source. HAHAHAHAH That is like saying that the DailyKos is a reliable source.

Newsweek has been in the tank for Obama more than MSNBC.

I said reliable above. Whe... (Below threshold)
retired military:

I said reliable above. Whereas Newsweek isnt very reliable I was going for the word Objective. Objectivity is a joke with newsweek. Their reliablity isnt that great either.

I can see part of Lee's problem. He thinks that Newsweek is fair and objective, that LGF is a right wing site and Obama is a centrist. That should tell you just how far left he is. He left the far left fringe a ways back.

Oh and Lee. You are a coward.

Hey, rm, remember the "Kora... (Below threshold)

Hey, rm, remember the "Koran in a toilet" lie from Newsweek? That bit of "accuracy" and "objectivity" got quite a few people killed.

And I'm still trying to see how I'm Wee Lard's "stalker." This is MY home site, HE'S the guest (albeit uninvited and unwelcome), and I'm the stalker?

J.

Jay TeaAs soon as ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

As soon as you figure it out let me know as I must be right there with you.

I am just trying to have a conversation and talk sense into a rock.

Lee Ward calling Jay Tea a ... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

Lee Ward calling Jay Tea a "troll king".

Just when one thinks Lee Ward can't project any further, he doubles down.

Gmac in #110 nailed it:
"Lee is an attention whore and a drama queen, all in one ugly bigoted package."

Thread winner.

Jay TeaWhat is rea... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

What is really funning is Lee is so sure that republicans wont win majorities in eithe the House or the Senate yet he doesnt even have the guts to bet me. I mean if I lose the bet and welch than he would still lose nothing and gain the ability to gloat over my loss. I guess he isnt so sure after all.

I love this "He used code" ... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

I love this "He used code" Thing that Lee used in #150. Its the cheapo liberal way of claiming people said things they didn't say?> If someone doesn't oblige you by being the bigoted racist you so desperately want them to be, then you just say that whatever they said, they really MEANT. . .

Code words? Really? You know how utterly pathetic that spin sounds, Lee?

Is this thread about racism... (Below threshold)
914:

Is this thread about racism or Lee Montgomery Ward?


914"Is this thread... (Below threshold)
retired military:

914

"Is this thread about racism or Lee Montgomery Ward?"

Well the two are so interconnected.

Hey LeeI found thi... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Hey Lee

I found this from your newsweek quote

"Some Tea Partiers blame the media for casting them as racists. "It really makes me mad," says Tom Fitzhugh, a Tea party activist in Tampa. "They have tried to portray us as a bunch of radical extremists." "

Now it seems here that some folks in the Tea Party claim that the media is helping Obama by calling his opponents racist.

I mean now who in their right mind would believe that the press was in the bag for Obama and would carry water for him.

Oh wait.

YOU WOULD

"Exposing Obama's weak campaign strategy should have been done long before, but while Hillary was hitting on these issues previously, Obama was able to just ignore her questions and challenges because no one in the press was pushing him for answers"

Posted by Lee Ward
Published: Mar 8, 08 01:00 PM


"• He's crumbling, and "shooting from the hip without thinking: a lot more these days -- but this remark came out of one of his "great speeches" according to his fan club in the press who, as you say, obviously aren't listening very closely."

• 4. Posted by Lee Ward | March 20, 2008


"With Obama-loving media like the LA Times printing garbage... The LA Times has reached new lows this election season, but since the newspaper is failing and on its way to extinction anyway, exactly because of this kind of reporting,who's surprised by any of this.
Enjoy it while it lasts, Scott - but good luck finding a real job in journalism. You're not up to the job.
"

Posted by: Lee Ward | June 30, 2008 at 04:25 PM


"In large part the "Dems are tearing their party apart" meme is total BS pushed by the Obamedia as a part of their attempt to put more pressure on Clinton to resign."

Posted by Lee Ward | April 29, 2008

My My Lee. I have to hand it to you. You sure did peg the media as Obama lovers. Cant disagree with you when you are right now can I.

Lee, I answered one of your... (Below threshold)

Lee, I answered one of your questions. That is one more than you've ever answered from your critics.

Hell, I've answered a LOT of your questions. And you've ignored thousands of questions. Questions that, quite frankly, you couldn't answer.

And how, exactly, is the decline and fall of LGF relevant to this topic? Oh, yeah, you cited it and Newsweek as relevant sources. Good god, you are desperate.

J.

Jay Jay JayLee War... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Jay Jay

Lee Ward inadvertandly described himself while he was talking about Obama one day.

Here let me quote.


"• He's crumbling, and "shooting from the hip without thinking: a lot more these days "

Somebody disappeared some o... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Somebody disappeared some of the comments from this thread, apparently.

Lee, I'm not interested in ... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

Lee, I'm not interested in getting between you and Jay but I said above I would delete comments with personal info (i.e. Jay's real name). I edited it out and left your comments this time but don't do it again. Please.

I would also ask that anyon... (Below threshold)
Baron Von Ottomatic:

I would also ask that anyone with permission to delete comments in my threads not do so unless they really, really, really cross the Rubicon - deliberate and overt racism, posting someone's personal info, terroristic threats, etc.

I know I'm not paying the rent here and am a guest, but I don't want to see comments erased just because the commenter gets under someone's skin or gets in their face. My two centavos...

Hoo boy, Lee's in high dudg... (Below threshold)

Hoo boy, Lee's in high dudgeon now.

No, I didn't delete any of his comments.

If I had, I woudl be bragging about it.

As for the rest... Baron, sorry for the mess on your thread.

Back to work...

J.

Wasn't me, Lee. I haven't d... (Below threshold)

Wasn't me, Lee. I haven't deleted any of your comments in... man, a long time.

I would suspect it was the Baron, who has before expressed his disapproval of your comments on his threads. In fact, I think only Kevin and I haven't banned you from our articles.

But I don't know definitively if it was the Baron, and quite frankly don't care enough to find out. But it wasn't me.

Trust me, EVERYONE will know when I have had enough of you.

J.




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