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American Christians and Jews are not the only people dismayed by the Ground Zero mosque

Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, columnists who write at the Ottawa Citizen and who are Muslim, are equally dismayed at the idea of a Mosque being so close to Ground Zero as the American people are, as evidenced by their subtitle: "We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation."

Those words were written by two men who sound deeply concerned about how their faith is received by non-believers, and as a Christian who cringes every time the Westboro haters are associated with mainstream Christianity, I understand their concern.

Raza and Fatah seemingly wrote their column with the mosque's planners and their liberal supporters in mind. I wish they had published this piece a few weeks ago because their words could have led to the project being put on hold for a while, but I'm thankful they have come forward to say their piece, nonetheless:

When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don't build a monument to those who died in the attack?

New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it's not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.

The Koran commands Muslims to, "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" -- i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of "fitna."

So what gives Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of the "Cordoba Initiative" and his cohorts the misplaced idea that they will increase tolerance for Muslims by brazenly displaying their own intolerance in this case?

Do they not understand that building a mosque at Ground Zero is equivalent to permitting a Serbian Orthodox church near the killing fields of Srebrenica where 8,000 Muslim men and boys were slaughtered?

There are many questions that we would like to ask. Questions about where the funding is coming from? If this mosque is being funded by Saudi sources, then it is an even bigger slap in the face of Americans, as nine of the jihadis in the Twin Tower calamity were Saudis.

If Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not. We passed on this message to him through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer. He could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to.


Because so few mainstream moderate Muslims have come forward to challenge Muslims like Rauf, many people have started to wonder if there are any moderate Muslims at all, a scary prospect for Americans. Which makes Raza and Fatah's column so important.

Of course, those who want to build the mosque at Ground Zero have a First Amendment right to do so. However, as so many people have said before, that does not make it necessarily the right thing to do, especially since the  mosque's planners claim to be motivated by a desire to build bridges and heal wounds.

If they want Americans to take their claims seriously, though, they need to prove that they mean them by listening to the growing cacophony of protests, anger, and worry by Americans from all over the country and move their mosque elsewhere in Manhattan. So far, they have not budged from their original plans to build their mosque only feet from Ground Zero -which tells me that they don't really want to build bridges but blow them up instead; they don't really want to heal wounds but infect them further.

Hat tip: Hot Air

Update: I don't have any interest in building bridges with any religious faith that commits these kinds of atrocities on a regular basis.

And here's Raheel Raza on Bill O'Reilly earlier this evening commenting on why she's against the mosque at Ground Zero via The Right Scoop:

Update II: Now we learn from JWF that the mosque developers have purchased only half the space needed to build their "cultural center". The other half yet unpurchased is owned by ConEdison:

The developers of the controversial mosque proposed near Ground Zero own only half the site where they want to construct the $100 million building, The Post has learned.

One of the two buildings on Park Place is owned by Con Edison, even though Soho Properties told officials and the public that it owns the entire parcel. And any potential sale by Con Ed faces a review by the state Public Service Commission.

"We never heard anything about Con Ed whatsoever," said a stunned Julie Menin, the chairwoman of Community Board 1, which passed a May resolution supporting the mosque.

Daisy Khan, one of the mosque's organizers, told The Post last week that both buildings on Park Place are needed to house the worship and cultural center. But she claimed ignorance about the Con Ed ownership of 49-51 Park Place and referred questions to Soho Properties, which bought the building at 45-47 Park Place in 2009.

Rep. Peter King, who opposes the mosque, said the developers seemed to be "operating under false pretenses."

"I wonder what else they are hiding," said King (R-LI). "If we can't have the full truth on this, what can we believe?"



And another Muslim, the daughter of a 9/11 victim, speaks out against the mosque being at Ground Zero.


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Comments (32)

"Because so few mainstream ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Because so few mainstream moderate Muslims have come forward to challenge Muslims like Rauf, many people have started to wonder if there are any moderate Muslims at all, "

I've ceased to wonder. The refusal to criticize the extremist elements of their religion amounts to tacit support.

The only harm I see coming ... (Below threshold)
Dane:

The only harm I see coming from the proposed mosque is the over the top reaction of some of the conservatives engaged in the debate. Such a display of religious intolerance!

If we go against our Constitution and find a way to deny the freedom of religion that Constitution guarantees to ALL Americans then Osama bin Laden has won.

I'm not ready to hand him that victory.

We're a great nation. We just have to remember that and act like it, and stick to the principles on which our great nation was founded.

Even when it hurts.

It's not religious intolera... (Below threshold)
jim m:

It's not religious intolerance to ask for the mosque to be built elsewhere. It's deliberately provocative and insulting to demand to build it there. There wouldn't be the same protest if it were being built in Queens or Brooklyn.

It's outright BS to trot out this tired alarmist claim that "if we do that then the terrorists will have won."

Yes we cannot stop them on constitutional grounds. There may be legal grounds to force them to move it elsewhere (zoning etc). But the bottom line is that if they were truly desirous of building bridges they would see that this is severely destructive to that effort.

This is not about building bridges. They don't care about what the rest of the city or country think. They want to be confrontational about where it is and they are concealing their funding and backing. If they really had nothing to hide then they would be hiding nothing. While they may have a right to conceal these things if they were interested in amicable relations with other Americans they would have no objections to disclosing the information.

Their actions reveal the deceit of their words.

They are concealing funding... (Below threshold)
914:

They are concealing funding source's as if they were Charly Rangerl of Barry Hussein. Where there's smoke there is fire. The excavation site must be pig blooded to chase away evil jihadist spirits.

There is nothing a Muslim c... (Below threshold)
galoob:

There is nothing a Muslim could do to "build bridges" or satisfy those opposing the mosque, except convert to Christianity or kill themselves, so why should they bother?

This is not something people do or should care about. It's Other People's Business. The busybodies think otherwise.

Again, since the Muslims are exercising their rights to property and freedom of religion, complaining about it only seems like whining, bias, and the compulsion to exert power over others. That compulsion is at odds with our system of limited government, thank Allah.

If it's not something we sh... (Below threshold)
914:

If it's not something we should not care about then go away and we wont care Galoob.

galoob should have no probl... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

galoob should have no problem then, with the announcement today that a guy is going to open a gay bar right next door to Park 51.

After all, isn't it about 'building bridges'?

http://www.dailygut.com/?i=4696

Awe, GarandFan you beat me ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Awe, GarandFan you beat me to that link!

I think it's a perfect idea, although I think the BBQ pork would be a better business model.

#7 & 8This way the... (Below threshold)
914:

#7 & 8

This way the Islamo's can have thier pork and eat it too.

#7 perhaps better than my p... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

#7 perhaps better than my plan to get a roach coach to serve only pork and shellfish and name it Mo Profits.
With a sign that says "You can't spell Mohamed without a heaping serving of Ham".

I have no problem with anyo... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I have no problem with anyone exercising their rights, gay bars, mosques, gun shops, pron stores, churches.

It's not hurting me, why should I care? The only ones I'm worried about are those who want to meddle with others exercising their rights.

What the heck are 'pron sto... (Below threshold)
914:

What the heck are 'pron stores' Galube?


If your worried about people meddling with others exercising their rights. Look no further then Barry's thug love you cant vote squad of intimidators.

Pron is what you say to avo... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Pron is what you say to avoid the spam filters, 914. It's internet speak.

Galoob has it right. All of... (Below threshold)
Dane:

Galoob has it right. All of this hate doesn't accomplish anything. Why hand Al Qaeda a victory like that? Why would would we let these terrorists drop our standards? Aren't we better than they are? Well, some are.

"All of this hate doesn't a... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"All of this hate doesn't accomplish anything."

Ever notice that when someone disagrees with your viewpoint, it's because you're expressing "hate"?

Do I "hate" you Dave?

Reading the comments I don'... (Below threshold)
Dane:

Reading the comments I don't see where you've expressed an opinion one way or the other on this subject, Mr/Ms Fan. Pro or con, hate or not.

Ever notice how when someone disagrees with your viewpoint they start asking dumb questions?

It's clear that many haters on this issue hate Americans who are muslims. HATE them. If you hate them be honest about it Mr/Ms Fan.

Do you hate the muslims involved in creation and promotion of the Cordoba Center?

You must, Garandfan. You'r... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

You must, Garandfan. You're disagreeing with him, after all - and in his limited experience he can only see it as hate.

Kind of like how we 'hate' Obama because we criticize his blowing of trillions on stimulus and crony payouts while the unemployment rate soars to incredible heights, criticize his leadership because he just won't stop campaigning and LEAD, and criticize his intellect because he can't understand why the more he 'fixes' things the worse things seem to get.

We have to hate him, otherwise we'd agree with everything he's done.

So we must 'hate' all Muslims because we don't want to see this mosque built, despite the cultural significance of its height and placement, despite there being no Muslim community in the area to be served by it, despite their unwillingness to be tolerant themselves of the feelings of people in NY. It's gotta be hate, can't be anything else.

I swear, if someone opened a Mayan temple they'd be campaigning for their right to remove human hearts as part of their worship services, under the guise of 'tolerance'. And screaming about how the law needed to be changed to allow it, on 1st Amendment grounds.

Dane -LOL. Stop h... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Dane -

LOL. Stop hating, man!

Dane, don't avoid the quest... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Dane, don't avoid the question and move the goal posts.

But to humor you:
"It's clear that many haters on this issue hate Americans who are muslims."

Care to defend that statement? Specifics would be just great.

"if someone opened... (Below threshold)
jim m:
"if someone opened a Mayan temple they'd be campaigning for their right to remove human hearts as part of their worship services, under the guise of 'tolerance'. And screaming about how the law needed to be changed to allow it, on 1st Amendment grounds. "

The left would be all for it as long as they chose their "donors" from the right demographic group. I'm sure they could get at least 4 votes on SCOTUS today.

"Galoob has it right. Al... (Below threshold)
914:

"Galoob has it right. All of this hate doesn't accomplish anything. Why hand Al Qaeda a victory like that? Why would would we let these terrorists drop our standards? Aren't we better than they are? Well, some are."

Galubb has it wrong and so do you. Thank God we do not share standards, values or even the same state.

Funny that some form... (Below threshold)
Al:


Funny that some former haters have suddenly became backers of the mosque! Ever wondered why?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5658586/when_moslemhaters_who_forced_americans.html

Silly Muslims! Don't they ... (Below threshold)
BlueNight:

Silly Muslims! Don't they know they have to buy Park Place AND Boardwalk before they can build a hotel?

What a sad group of haters.... (Below threshold)
Dane:
Sheesh, Dane. The LA Slimes... (Below threshold)

Sheesh, Dane. The LA Slimes AND Anne Rice? I think I have more authority to speak about Christianity today, and I'm a born-again agnostic.

The major difference? I actually know quite a few Christians. I actually listen to what they say. And, most importantly, I note what they actually do.

For example, the people just recently massacred in Afghanistan. They were true Christians, and martyrs to their faith. When was the last time a "peace activist" actually put themselves in danger for their beliefs?

And no, I won't give you Rachel Corrie. I won't even slip her under your door.

J.

Dane -Dissent isn'... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Dane -

Dissent isn't hatred.

Disagreement isn't hatred.

Advocating all Muslims be killed or kicked out of the country is hatred.

Advocating MUTUAL tolerance and respect is not hatred.

DEMANDING tolerance while giving none back is an indication of hatred - so in this case, the folks looking to put up the mosque are the haters - not the folks objecting to it's placement where it is.

Not wanting a mosque within spitting distance of Ground Zero, being aware of the cultural significance of such a building - is not hatred, it's a realization that, just like Christians take a different view of grape juice and wafers at a certain part of their ceremonies, what seems like no biggie to you is a VERY big thing to them.

(Just like a $100 bill doesn't even rise to the level of pocket change for Bill Gates or George Soros - but's kind of nice to find for you and I!)

Raza is an excellent spokes... (Below threshold)
max:

Raza is an excellent spokeswoman for her gender and her religion.
I wish that she and many many more like her (including Americans) would speak
out for moderate Muslims and against radicals who are hijacking their religion.

It is sad that such a controversial subject also brings out all the haters
who can only discuss this in black and white.

If we were to talk as intelligent, well meaning adults we could see that the constitution is strong
and if we amended it every time the vicissitudes of the prevailing
anger directed, we would be sunk.

Bloomberg spoke for principle. Raza spoke for practical. They are both
correct.

It is the American dream that both can speak without vilification and the issue
can be resolved.

"Not wanting a mosque wi... (Below threshold)
Dane:

"Not wanting a mosque within spitting distance of Ground Zero, being aware of the cultural significance of such a building - is not hatred, it's a realization that, just like Christians take a different view of grape juice and wafers at a certain part of their ceremonies, what seems like no biggie to you is a VERY big thing to them. "

And Christian Americans get to decide where Muslim Americans practice their faith and attend church?

No, they don't. Not in America. At least, not in the United States of America while Christian extremists are out of power.

And that's the funny thing. What would have happened if this had taken place during the Bush administration? Would the outcome have been different? Would the Christian extremists have been successful in denying Muslim Americans their Constituional right to practice freedom of religion under the First Amendment?

No. I'm confident that the outcome would have been exactly the same. This would have been one of those issues, like Immigration Reform and S-Chip health insurance for children, where the Bush administration parted ways with their bellowing base.

Why?

Because the Constitutional rights of the Muslim Americans is so crystal clear - so set in stone - that the Christian extremists position on this issue is not a flag ANY responsible American can carry.

It's in the First Amendment. They can build their mosque.

And the fact that two of the top GOP Presidential hopefuls, Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, tried to carry that flag and were shot down, shows how out of touch Christian extremists are with the Constitution.

Because Christian extremists hate Muslims the Constitutional rights of Americans gets set aside?

Hell no. What an absolutely insane suggestion.

If Sarah Palin or Newt Gingrich were in charge they would have done all they could as they trampled the rights of Americans in the name of Christianity. They've effectively guaranteed they will never, ever gain meaningful power again.

And, in that sense, the 9/11 terrorists have beaten down the Christian right in America again -- by inflaming such rage and hatred in the part of the Christian extremists that those Christians showed they would trample the Constitution in favor of their bible.

You lose. Again.

And, Dane, you hateful hate... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

And, Dane, you hateful hater who hates, you missed the point completely.

What seems like >>>>nothing

Did we go and build a victory monument in Hiroshima? How about Berlin?

Look into what happens when Muslims 'conquer' territory. It's symbolism at its finest, and isn't hard at all to find. You put a mosque at the site of a great victory. You make it taller than any other religious edifice in the city.

As this will be.

What seems like >>>>nothing

Of course, if you're willing to overlook the symbolism... it's your choice. But the arrogance is there, and even Muslims in the US are objecting citing the symbolism of the act.

I swear, man, the hate has addled your brain.

Dane, Moslims do not... (Below threshold)

Dane,
Moslims do not go to church.
They do go to mosque. To pray.

Ah, I hate HTML.Oh... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Ah, I hate HTML.

Oh god, I said I hated something! LOL....

Dane - someday someone's going to come along and seriously attack a belief you hold dear - and when you complain all they'll have to do is shrug and say "It doesn't mean that to me. You've got no right to get upset, so get over it."

And at that point - what will you do?

"Dane - someday someone'... (Below threshold)
Dane:

"Dane - someday someone's going to come along and seriously attack a belief you hold dear - and when you complain all they'll have to do is shrug and say "It doesn't mean that to me. You've got no right to get upset, so get over it." "

JLawson, if building a mosque in New York is a "serious attack on your beliefS" you need to read the bible, study the teachings of Jesus, then apologize to the Muslims for acting like an ass.




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