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Have Americans reached a 9/11 breaking point?

Don Surber is thinking so:

We have been lectured that we should not feel anger, that we should be nicer to Muslims, that we should not profile possible terrorists at airports and instead harass everyone, that journalists should not wear lapel pins, that we should not be too harsh on the cutthroats at Gitmo, that we must try our soldiers in military court and their soldiers in civilian courts, that we must Mirandize terrorists, that we must honor Muslim holidays in school but we must take Christ out of Christmas, and now that we must allow the city of New York's government to waive zoning law in order to speed up construction of a mosque funded by the homeland of Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers.

At some point, the American people reach a breaking point.

We may reach that on the 10th anniversary of 9/11 when there still is no one-foot-taller trade center but there is a mosque.

This President and liberals/statists/Marxists like him are indeed pushing traditional Americans, thinking Americans over the line.

November of 2010 and 2012 can't get here quickly enough.


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Comments (52)

My birthday is on 9/11 and ... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

My birthday is on 9/11 and it will forever be a day of rage for me.

As long a Israel exists, lo... (Below threshold)
kathie:

As long a Israel exists, long as we bomb Afghanistan, as long as we have one soldier in a Muslin country, it will not matter what we do to appease the greater Muslim world........they will come after us.

Can't wait for November.</... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Can't wait for November.

This just in: The estate of... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

This just in: The estate of Timothy McVeigh has purchased land near the Murrah Federal Building site in Oklahoma City to erect a 100 foot marble and bronze monument to him.

Now that's what I call an expression of American tolerance!

Kathie, I believe it's more... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

Kathie, I believe it's more than that.

In most parts of the Islamic world there is at least an element of radical Imans who teach contrary to the traditional Islamic belief of tolerance for "people of the book." That means that for the radicalized elements of Islam, as long as Christians and Jews exist their jihad will not end.

Rick,Your item by it... (Below threshold)
Grace:

Rick,
Your item by item list is what every American should study. The people have been lulled into accepting ever greater affronts to our core of common sense. When the list is laid out, it becomes apparent how far and deep, already, the inroads have traveled into our culture.

The problem with those who push these changes is that they get complacent and eager at the same time. They have been pushing too far and too fast lately and the citizens are finally waking up to the damage. Not all of them, but enough to make a noise that others are beginning to listen to.

You're so right, getting rid of these people in congress, the senate and the white house can not come too soon.

If we have a Conservative, ... (Below threshold)
Deke:

If we have a Conservative, with any guts, run for President in 2012, this issue would cost Obama his job.

Picture the commercial, 2 planes going into the towers, then super imposed with this idiot praising the building of a mosque on the grounds, along with the cheering crowds of muslims around the world on the day of the incident, the election would be over at that point.

If anyone thinks that this isn't a blatant, "in your face America" symbol then your a freakin idiot!

With this mosque controvers... (Below threshold)
galoob:

With this mosque controversy, fascism in America seems to be more of a threat than Muslims. The group building the mosque had nothing to do with 9/11. The lack of respect for free speech, freedom of religion, property rights, and common sense is appalling.

Al Qaeda is as representative of all Muslims as the IRA is representative of all Irish Catholics. I was stationed in London during the IRA bombings, the Brits did not freak out on all Irish Catholics the way the right wing is now freaking out on all Muslims. But then the Brits have a tradition of "stiff upper lip" and some balls, unlike the scaredy cat right-wingers in the USA.

Old Guy.......I agree! ... (Below threshold)
kathie:

Old Guy.......I agree!

Conservative's are so intol... (Below threshold)
9/14:

Conservative's are so intolerant we tolerate idiot posting's like the above.

You forgot one right Galoob. The right of self preservation for all of us as a society supercede's a minority group's right to push their sick psychology in our face's.

"the Brits did not freak ou... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"the Brits did not freak out on all Irish Catholics the way the right wing is now freaking out on all Muslims."

Care to give SPECIFICS about "freaking out on all Muslims"? Lynchings? School burnings? Mosque burnings?

I have a 'right' of free speech. Does that mean that I can get on a PA system and harangue my neighbors at 2am? Do the Japanese have 'a right' to buy property near Pearl Harbor and erect a monument to the pilots that were shot down on Dec 7, 1941?

"Rights" also carry "responsibilities", you conveniently leave that out of the equation.

galoob- There must be a LO... (Below threshold)

galoob- There must be a LOT of rightwingers from the poll numbers of disapproval for that 'mosque'. The only "freakin out" is by you Leftwing commies knowing your gig is up. The American people are listening.

Nice. Thanks Rick for the l... (Below threshold)
G.:

Nice. Thanks Rick for the link.
I can see November from my house.
Election day is on my birthday too. :-D

I have a theory. The theor... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I have a theory. The theory is that the lessening of educational standards pushed for by liberals and teachers' unions in the 60s and 70s had as its consequence an ignorant population. A semi-illiterate people ignorant of history, geography, politics, science and civics which are fertile ground for the know-nothingism of the right-wing movements of today. This is as much of a blowback as the USA's support for Islamic extremism against the Soviet Union in the 1980s.

9/14, how old are you?

9/14, I know I mentioned this before, and this is offered in a sincere desire to help you.

You have to learn the difference between the plural and possessive forms, and learn your verb conjugations and contractions. Otherwise, when you write, people will think you are ignorant, maybe even stupid. This is not much of a problem when you are writing as "9/14," but when you are writing under your real name it could prevent you from getting a job, promotion or a date.

First, plurals do not use the apostrophe - the ' mark.

If you mean more than one conservative, you write conservatives, not "conservative's."

Sample sentences: This is the freshman conservative's first term in office. In other words, the first term belonging to the one freshman conservative. The conservatives served their first term in office.

"Conservative's" means a thing or things belonging to one conservative. If you meant things belonging to more than one conservative, you write conservatives'.

Also, your "supercede's" is incorrect. It should be supersedes.

I will correct your whole posting. This is the more correct form of what you wrote:

Conservatives are so intolerant we tolerate idiot postings like the above.

You forgot one right, Galoob. The right of self preservation for all of us as a society supersedes a minority group's right to push their sick psychology in our faces.

H'e'y' G'a'l'o'o'b',' s't'i... (Below threshold)
Tim:

H'e'y' G'a'l'o'o'b',' s't'i'c'k' t'o' t'h'e' p'o'i'n't' a't' h'a'n'd.' A's's'h'o'l'e.'

Gulube #14-<... (Below threshold)
9/14:

Gulube #14-

Once again a lib attack's the messenger and not the message.

And Galoob. There are numerous errors with your postings that are pointless to discuss.

galoob why is it that you a... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

galoob why is it that you avoid answering questions, then go completely off topic?

GarandFan:Do th... (Below threshold)
galoob:

GarandFan:

Do the Japanese have 'a right' to buy property near Pearl Harbor and erect a monument to the pilots that were shot down on Dec 7, 1941?

First, Muslims are members of a religion, not a national ethnic group and foreign citizens like Japanese. The Muslims building the mosque are American citizens. They are not building a monument to the 9/11 hijackers, they are building something like a mosque with a YMCA-type community center that will be open to non-Muslims.

But, your choice of Pearl Harbor and the Japanese is a good example. Of course, Japanese-Americans were deprived of many rights during WWII, including the right to their freedom by being confined in concentration camps. It turned out to be the wrong choice.

The push for Sharia law, th... (Below threshold)
Deke:

The push for Sharia law, the taxation of non-believers, laws designed to keep women as 2nd class citizens, one could draw the conclussion galoob that Islam, as it's currently construed, is more a political movement than it is a religion.

We have gone to war to stop many, many, political movements that were detrimental to the American way of life and were threats to our well being. Islam, as it's practiced by the vast majority of Islamic countries, violently anti-American and a detriment to world peace.

If you think for a second that the building of a Mosque on that site is not a subtle, poke in the eye at America, then like most Star Trek Utopists, you are a fool.

btw, my use of the apostrophe, in the word "it's" is correct, I meant for that to be a contraction of it is.

Standart liberal arguing ta... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Standart liberal arguing tactic, really. "When losing on points, call your opponent either an idiot or a poopyhead and don't address the actual content or argument"

Galoob,Why do you ... (Below threshold)
howcome:

Galoob,

Why do you care so much? I have listened to the objections to this building and I can understand them. What I have a problem understanding is why you are so passionate in defending this building. I know certain liberal morons come to any discussion with hatred of conservatives as the only basis basis for their arguments. I just can't understand why this means so much to you.

I think the 911 hijacker's ... (Below threshold)
9/14:

I think the 911 hijacker's were not American and erect a monument in their memory is disgusting. Are the muslims funding the mosque American citizens or an foreign supported charity organization?

Deke, Let me take ... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Deke,

Let me take your points:

The push for Sharia law, the taxation of non-believers, laws designed to keep women as 2nd class citizens, one could draw the conclussion galoob that Islam, as it's currently construed, is more a political movement than it is a religion.

Where is "the push for Sharia law?" If Muslim countries want to ban alcohol and pork, that is their right. I don't see any evidence of that in the USA. "Taxation of non-believers?" Where in the world is that practiced? "Laws designed to keep women as 2nd class citizens" Again, there is no evidence of that in the USA. If Saudi Arabia does it, it is no concern of ours. On the other hand, the two largest Muslim countries, Indonesia and Pakistan, have had female presidents, more than the USA can say. The USA restricts women from combat roles in the military, is that "2nd class?"

So what if Muslims want their view of the world to become law? They have to get the votes, and the Constitution limits them as it limits those who want to ban mosques. Examples of Christianity being a political movement are many. Religious arguments are made against laws to allow state enforcement of marriage contracts freely made by gays. They are made against abortion, they are made against pornography, against divorce and against mosques. They are made in favor of prayer in public schools. I don't see the difference, or the issue. Religious actors have a right to free speech as well as freedom of religion, but any religion of belief and "rules" is political.

We have gone to war to stop many, many, political movements that were detrimental to the American way of life and were threats to our well being. Islam, as it's practiced by the vast majority of Islamic countries, violently anti-American and a detriment to world peace.

The USA consciously cultivated Islamic activism against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and elsewhere, so in that sense Islam was an ally against the Godless materialism of Communism. The largest Muslim countries - for example, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt, Turkey, Morocco, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia, were allies in the Cold War, in Gulf War I, and in the current wars.

If you think for a second that the building of a Mosque on that site is not a subtle, poke in the eye at America, then like most Star Trek Utopists, you are a fool.

Yes, I like Star Trek. I do not try to read other people's minds. The imam says he wants to build a community center, including a gym, to bring people together. He's been deployed by the State Department to promote the image of the USA in Muslim countries. Can he really be that bad of a guy?

btw, my use of the apostrophe, in the word "it's" is correct, I meant for that to be a contraction of it is.

Correct.

Galoob,Why ... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Galoob,

Why do you care so much? I have listened to the objections to this building and I can understand them. What I have a problem understanding is why you are so passionate in defending this building. I know certain liberal morons come to any discussion with hatred of conservatives as the only basis basis for their arguments. I just can't understand why this means so much to you.

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, several times. I am still bound by my oath. I regard this pressure on Americans freely exercising their free speech, freedom of religion and property rights as an assault on the Constitution.

At LeBron Steinman in #4 ab... (Below threshold)
Dane:

At LeBron Steinman in #4 above

"This just in: The estate of Timothy McVeigh has purchased land near the Murrah Federal Building site in Oklahoma City to erect a 100 foot marble and bronze monument to him."

McVeigh was tried and convicted of a major, heinous felony.

Show me where the Muslims Americans in New York have been convicted of a crime and you might have a point (beside the one on top of your head, you dunce).

"Now that's what I call an expression of American tolerance!

No, that's what we call a bad analogy, comparing McVeigh to Americans who chose a religion that (gasp!) you don't approve of.

Are you a full-time idiot or is this just a hobby for you?

And why are there so many right wing morons on this site? Is there a nuclear-powered "Stupidity Magnet" buried under the web server? Good grief, some of you are such stupid people it's just bizarre how f*cking pathetically stupid you are.

We're talking about law-abiding Americans in New York. How on earth can you compare them to McVeigh? Explain it, please. Or are you morons just talking out of your ass because you like the view from there?

Reposted with the correct i... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Reposted with the correct italics for howcome's quote:

Galoob,

Why do you care so much? I have listened to the objections to this building and I can understand them. What I have a problem understanding is why you are so passionate in defending this building. I know certain liberal morons come to any discussion with hatred of conservatives as the only basis basis for their arguments. I just can't understand why this means so much to you.

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, several times. I am still bound by my oath. I regard this pressure on Americans freely exercising their free speech, freedom of religion and property rights as an assault on the Constitution.

Galoob, first of all, as a ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Galoob, first of all, as a frequent inciter of anyone conservative and the fact that you are liberal makes it incumbant on me to simply not believe you are what you write. Secondly, we here at Wizbang do not need you to "school" us on the constitution and/or puncuation and grammar. It is beneath pond scum to use that juvenile tactic to get us off message. As for your service, again, see my beliefs of liberals.

A fact of Islam is that it is not a pure religion. It is a faith and political manifest in one. That takes this discussion to the level of not just "practicing" their faith, but making everyone practice their faith.

Also, the want to be builders of the Mosque has proven what we have known and voiced many times. Their faith or alleged faith does not have any compassion or empathy. Two gaping holes in their religion.

I am a supporter of the right of everyone to excercise their faith. Even in public. That included Koresh, the Marsgate people, etc. Even a liberal with a tiny piece of common sense can see there is more to the story of why they want to build the Mosque there. I know even a half wit like galoob can see it. It's not the where, it's the why. (Oh God. I hope I got my apostrophe's right)

The constitution is are pact of laws to govern by. It is not a suicide note. We do have to make practical adjustments for times of war. Like the Patriot Act. Like not publishing Child Pornography. Galoob, are you angry that pornographers cannot publish child porn as it is their constitution right of expression? ww

#26"I took an oath... (Below threshold)
9/14:

#26

"I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, several times. I am still bound by my oath. I regard this pressure on Americans freely exercising their free speech, freedom of religion and property rights as an assault on the Constitution."


Interesting. How are you defending it from the leftist assault on it?

I took an oath to suppor... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States, several times. I am still bound by my oath. I regard this pressure on Americans freely exercising their free speech, freedom of religion and property rights as an assault on the Constitution.

So did I, Galoob.

Remember the part about "I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"?

The problem is, of course, deciding what constitutes an enemy.

I see little difference between the KKK and a lot of 'liberals'. Both believe that their ideas are the only good ones and both believe everyone else should just STFU and let them do whatever they want. Both believe that opposition should be silenced by any means necessary, only with the KKK they have to work themselves up to the hemp necktie, while liberals quickly justify their censorship of dissent.

Both descend quickly into hate when their ideas are blocked. (Hey, Dane, how's it hangin'? Getting much agreement for your views by calling people 'morons'?) Disagreement, as I've tried to point out many times, does not equal hate.

So maybe you need to figure out just what constitutes 'enemy' in your head. I'd suggest you take as a starting point the fact that merely stating dissent on a particular point of view doesn't automatically qualify as enemy behavior. And that it's possible that both the left AND the right, liberals AND conservatives, want a country that's prosperous and healthy - and that ensuring massive debt for ourselves and our posterity isn't the way to get it.

WildWillie,First, ... (Below threshold)
galoob:

WildWillie,

First, I am the conservative here. I am the one who wants to preserve constitutional rights and limited government. Y'all are the ones who want to infringe on inalienable rights, and are more accurately described as radical authoritarians, Christian political radicals, or fascists.

I offered my grammar tips to 9/14 to help him. To tell him what his friends and associates may think but do not say. He needs to improve his writing for his own sake. As a conservative, I believe in proper usage of English and charitable helpfulness towards others.

As for Islam being political, see my comment above. Islam is no more political than the Catholic church, and less political than the large evangelical Christian movements in the USA. Rev. Pat Robertson ran for president. Rev. Jerry Falwell ran Moral Majority. Have you heard of the Christian Coalition? These groups even have opinions on things not in Scripture, like tax policy and climate science.

I don't really care why the Muslims want to build their mosque/community center, they have a right to do it.

galoob, do you believe the ... (Below threshold)
Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

galoob, do you believe the first amendment gives you the right to yell fire in a theater? That is exactly what those that back this building are doing. Let them build it. Fill it up with true believes then bar the doors and set the building on fire. Shoot all those that try to escape. Use pig fat for an excellerant. Make sure the bullets are lubed with lard.

Galoob, you are still off b... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Galoob, you are still off base. Robertson didn't run for president in the name of God. He tried to garner a political parties nomination and failed. If Christians want to gather and discuss government, that is fine. Gays, atheists, liberals, jews, blacks, whites, etc. all do that. Galoob, you do not know your history. There are many times where portions of the constitution was suspended for national security reasons. That needs to happen from time to time and someone with a wider vision would understand that. It is the presidents job to defend and secure our nation from all enemies. Again, you defend the right but do not understand the why. Why there? Why not interfaith chapels in the "community center"? I know why they want it there. Most of us here do. I even think you do but why would you allow it to be used to fuel our enemies hate for us is beyond me? ww

It does not matter what lib... (Below threshold)
9/14:

It does not matter what liberals like you believe Galoob. No one here is asking for your help.

Y'all type can have an opinion on climate change and tax policy like Robertson/ Falwell & the moral majority but it's not scriptural.

Oh really. Tax policy. "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasers".

Climate change or science aka global warming. "Cast your pearls before the swine".

JLawson,Good quest... (Below threshold)
galoob:

JLawson,

Good question. Who are the real, substantial enemies to the Constitution?

Foreign Muslims or their governments have no ability to overthrow, invade or seriously injure the USA. In fact, we have invaded their countries (Iraq, Afghanistan) or have our bases there by agreement of their governments (in Turkey, Pakistan, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Saudi, Bosnia, Uzbekstan, Tajikstan, Albania, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, and Tunisia). They are not a threat to our way of life.

Muslims in the USA are a small minority and the radicals among them are a tiny number. These US Muslim extremists are essentially a fringe threat like McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Nazis and KKK.

On the other hand, you have now movements of millions of Americans and elected officials who openly advocate stripping other Americans of their rights. In New York, I heard a radio ad for Republican candidate for governor Carl Palladino in which he promised to take the New York property from the Muslim group by state power, confiscate it by eminent domain.

About 30% of the American public would stop the mosque by the use of state power. The commenters and posters on this website are representative of that sentiment. That is a big number of Americans, enough to form a real movement against freedom of religion.

I support the Rutherford Institute, not the ACLU:

http://www.rutherford.org/

Who's the threat to the Con... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Who's the threat to the Constitution?

WildWillie:

There are many times where portions of the constitution was suspended for national security reasons. That needs to happen from time to time and someone with a wider vision would understand that.

That's certainly an authoritarian, statist point of view threatening to the Bill of Rights.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft III:

Let them build it. Fill it up with true believes then bar the doors and set the building on fire. Shoot all those that try to escape. Use pig fat for an excellerant. Make sure the bullets are lubed with lard.

That's outright fascism in its advocacy of violence against different people and religious views. The brownshirt point of view, would have fit in on Kristallnacht. (BTW, it's accelerant, not "excellerant.")

You still haven't answered ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

You still haven't answered my question. You may have a "right". Do you not also have a responsibility in exercising that right?

As for your 'sensibilities'. Do you not also have a duty to respect the 'sensibilities' of others?

Or is it all a one-way street?

GarandFan,Everybod... (Below threshold)
galoob:

GarandFan,

Everybody has moral responsibilities and duties that are not enforceable by laws and the state.

People differ on how those responsibilities and duties are exercised. That is one reason why these duties and responsibilities are not enforceable by law and the state.

Imam Rauf, Mayor Bloomberg and the neighborhood council of lower Manhattan disagree with your view, GarandFan. They see their responsibilities and duties differently than you do. As the saying goes "it's a free country." Just because you think something does not make it true, and even if it is, others have the right to be wrong. Get over it.

As to Islam...I spent my R&... (Below threshold)
serfer62:

As to Islam...I spent my R&Rs 5 years ago traveling the Silk Road alone in a Muslim country. To me they were the equivelent of Christians and represent NO danger.
However there is a small per centage of radical Muslims that should be eliminated or at least nutralized.
Now as to Freedom of Religion...that went out the window with schools prohibiting Christan fellowship groups, the wearing of crosses or T shirts (although Islam was celebrated in these schools). It is illegal to pray or exhibit religious events or sysmbols on federal property.
Soooo how can this Mosque be justified as Freedom of Religion?

serfer62,I agree t... (Below threshold)
galoob:

serfer62,

I agree that "there is a small per centage of radical Muslims that should be eliminated or at least neutralized."

The NY mosque is not on federal property, the Muslims own the property. They can do with it as they wish.

BTW, even on federal property there are rights to religious expression, for example chapels on military bases and VA hospital grounds.

If you are interested in freedom of religion issues, I recommend the Rutherford Institute:

http://www.rutherford.org/

#38Yeah really. Ju... (Below threshold)
9/14:

#38

Yeah really. Just try putting up a nativity scene on private property in any major metropolis and you would have the ACLU (American Communist Liberal Union ) suing your ass for violating every atheists right not to view it.

9/14, are you the same guy ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

9/14, are you the same guy who has posted here for years without the slash mark? If not, you and he are BOTH fools. I see dozens of Nativity scenes on private property around the RDU area every Christmas. No one can or wants to ban them, including the ACLU. What paranoid fantasy dimension do you live in?

What those of you who oppose the Islamic center fail to comprehend is that you are playing into al Qaeda's hands here. Their whole goal has always been to hijack Islam. To do that, they need US. They need US to make them into more than what they are.

Without US elevating them into "enemy combatants" in a "war on terror", they would be what they REALLY are: a couple of hundred murderous losers, like the Japanese Red Army or the Baader Meinhof Gang from the 1970s.

To reach their goal, they need US to convince the rest of the Muslim world that the "war on terror" is really a war on Islam. And you jingoistic blowhards are doing their work for them!

(Full disclosure: most of this is paraphrasing something I read from NY Daily News. But it sure is apt!)

a mosque funded by the h... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

a mosque funded by the homeland (Saudi Arabia) of Osama bin Laden and 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers.

At some point, the American people reach a breaking point

As usual conservatives have selective indignation, in this case, for Saudi Arabia and of course, president Barack Obama.

It didn't seeem to bother them, one whit, when Saudi Arabia was given special treatment (and not in the way you think) under President Bush, immediately after 9-11, when many of Osama`s relatives and dozens of Saudi nationals were whisked away secretly, or that Prince Bandar of the House of Saud, known familarily as 'Bandar Bush`, the Ambassador for Saudi Arabia, was given advance knowledge of the `go-ahead` for the Iraqi invasion, in January of 2002, according to Bob Woodward's book Plan Of Attack, in a special briefing meeting at the White House, even before the Secretary of the State, Colin Powell knew of the invasion.

The mosque and community ce... (Below threshold)
epador:

The mosque and community center will become a pilgrimage site. What say you to that Bruce?

This post must hit close to... (Below threshold)
zaugg:

This post must hit close to home as it brought out the dhimmi lefty trolls. Keep pumping up the site meter stats fellas fella's.

The mosque and community... (Below threshold)
galoob:

The mosque and community center will become a pilgrimage site. What say you to that Bruce?

Ridiculous. To do what, work out at the gym? The imam in charge of the place goes on missions for the U.S. State Department to combat extremism.

Why do I bother to try html... (Below threshold)
zaugg:

Why do I bother to try html tags.

Hey, it's old home week her... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

Hey, it's old home week here at Wizbang as the copy and paste Soros brigade has been dispatched from the leftard sewers to do damage control for Chicago jesus.Hi,guys!

"Just because you think som... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Just because you think something does not make it true, and even if it is, others have the right to be wrong. Get over it."

37. Posted by galoob

Take a real deep breath, look in a mirror. And repeat the above.

Also take a reading comprehension course. Then re-read what I wrote.

"Foreign Muslims or thei... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

"Foreign Muslims or their governments have no ability to overthrow, invade or seriously injure the USA."

So, Galoob... the approximate trillion that disappeared out of our banking system after 9/11 didn't hurt us? Two large skyscrapers disappearing wasn't a serious injury?

How much damage would a nuke going off in San Diego harbor do? Or Savannah? Or NY? Or on the Potomac, right about even with the Pentagon? (Let's see - a 50kt ground burst would have a crater diameter of about a half-mile, blast effect would be attenuated some but figure 3 miles total, ten miles severe destruction and fires... Washington DC would cease to exist.)

I would also like to add that I'm not particularly imaginative about stuff like that - and that pre 9/11, nobody ever thought a hijacker would do something so daft as fly the plane into a skyscraper.

I'd sure like to believe what you think. The problem it, it's already been demonstrated to be false.

"In New York, I heard a radio ad for Republican candidate for governor Carl Palladino in which he promised to take the New York property from the Muslim group by state power, confiscate it by eminent domain.

The precedent for that has already been set. See Kelo vs. City of New London.

"They are not a threat to our way of life."

In 2005, there was a move to introduce Shari'a courts in Canada. It was quashed. Holland, however...

THE HAGUE, 13/09/06 - Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner considers the Netherlands should give Muslims more freedoms to behave according to their traditions. Muslims refusing to shake hands is fine with him. And Sharia law could be introduced in the Netherlands democratically, in the minister's view.

Muslims have the right to experience their religion in ways that diverge from Dutch social codes, accordign to the Christian democrat (CDA) minister. He thinks Queen Beatrix was very wise not to insist on a Muslim leader shaking hands with her when she visited his mosque in The Hague earlier this year.
And it's extending slightly. Radio Netherlands had the following article.
Stoning. Chopping off hands. Whippings and beatings. When people hear the word 'Sharia', these are the images that spring to mind. But Islamic justice can also be used in civil law. Like in family law, and in divorce and inheritance cases. These areas of Sharia law could be applied in certain Dutch mosques.

The government is looking into whether the Netherlands, like Great Britain, should allow some kind of Sharia law. The idea terrifies Dutch politicians because Islamic law means inequality between men and women. Everyone in the Dutch political world is also well aware that Freedom Party leader and anti-Islam MP Geert Wilders is bound to make enormous electoral mileage from it.

Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin is looking into the details of the system. In a letter to MPs, he says it is the government's duty "to ensure that no parallel society evolves where people take the law into their own hands or have an independent system of justice.
Our way of life is always changing - American life in 2010 is a far cry from life in 1950, or 1980, or 1930. It'd be a mistake to think it can't go hard one way or the other. In 1910, do you think anyone would have thought Prohibition was possible - even likely, or foreseen the side effects of it?

Bad defense galoob. Try ag... (Below threshold)
epador:

Bad defense galoob. Try again, lame weenie.

B.H.-"they need US... (Below threshold)
9/14:

B.H.-

"they need US. They need US to make them into more than what they are."

DEAD is what they need.

"We have been lectured t... (Below threshold)
Dane:

"We have been lectured that we should not feel anger, that we should be nicer to Muslims"

Naw, you just have to respect the Constitution and the Constitutional rights of Americans to freely worship without state interference, that's all.




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