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I wonder why America didn't question Bush's religion?

Don't you?

A substantial and growing number of Americans say that Barack Obama is a Muslim, while the proportion saying he is a Christian has declined. More than a year and a half into his presidency, a plurality of the public says they do not know what religion Obama follows.

A new national survey by the Pew Research Center finds that nearly one-in-five Americans (18%) now say Obama is a Muslim, up from 11% in March 2009. Only about one-third of adults (34%) say Obama is a Christian, down sharply from 48% in 2009. Fully 43% say they do not know what Obama's religion is. The survey was completed in early August, before Obama's recent comments about the proposed construction of a mosque near the site of the former World Trade Center.

Imagine what the numbers might look like if the poll was taken since Obama's handling of the Ground Zero mosque episode.

Imagine what the numbers might look like if they polled the folks at NASA.

This... is hope and change for America?

Sigh.


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Comments (37)

Well it's obvious that Barr... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Well it's obvious that Barry doesn't know either.

I doubt that President Obam... (Below threshold)
SER:

I doubt that President Obama is a Muslim. More likely, he is an atheist, but does not want to admit it for political reasons.

Depends on what you're hopi... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Depends on what you're hoping for and what change you want.

Obama even labeled himself as a blank slate, that people projected on what they wanted to see.

The question always was - what was that slate made of? I think we're finding out.

his "religion" is marxism a... (Below threshold)
JustRuss:

his "religion" is marxism and whichever church is preaching black liberation theology. He doesn't worship in any specific way, except the one that is politically expedient. If the time comes where expediency requires him to say he is god then he will happily do so.

I think he believes he is a... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

I think he believes he is a religion unto himself because he's such a narcissistic SOB.

"Bow before Zod..." and all that.

I am not sure what his reli... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

I am not sure what his religious belief is if any he and I only care if it is something outrageous. I suspect he is as much Muslim as anything but hides it since it is not politically to his advantage.

There is no doubt that his political philosophy leans heavily to socialist side.

He can be Barrak Ayatoldya ... (Below threshold)
Nine-Fourteen:

He can be Barrak Ayatoldya Hussein Musluma for all I care. One thing he for sure is not is PRESIDENTIAL in any way.

I certainly know is he a mu... (Below threshold)
mag:

I certainly know is he a muslim sympathizer! Could not have a religion another than marxism.

Maybe he's waiting for his ... (Below threshold)
JPO:

Maybe he's waiting for his perfect church to open in the D.C. area before substantively demonstrating his religious preference. You know, the one that combines the best elements of Islam and Christianity, The First Church of Chrislam...or was it the Mustian Mosque? I forget.

It it walks like a duck....... (Below threshold)
Razorgirl:

It it walks like a duck.......

Why didn't America question... (Below threshold)
Jake:

Why didn't America question Bush's religion?

1. Because he clearly stated his fundamentalism at every moment.

2. Because he said we were on a crusade.

3. Because he was indebted to the Religious Right.

4. Because christians (such as yourself, I assume) seem to believe that if you've not sworn holy allegiance to Christianity and question anything that any (white) preacher tells you the Bible says, you're not committed or not an acceptable christian.

5. Because he was white.


I love how Republicans love "their" Constitution until it supports something they don't like. Then it's time to ignore it (Rove) or modify it (any number of Republicans calling for the repeal of the 14th).

Always a lovely, racially tinged discussion going on over here. If you're not white, unquestioningly christian, and republican, you are the devil's spawn. Nice.

It's a good question. Why d... (Below threshold)

It's a good question. Why do so many people have such an ignorant opinion of Obama, which isn't based on a single fact?

Could it have something to do with the conservative media constantly braying fear, uncertainty and doubt without any underlying basis in fact?

AKA the "Cavuto method" - where you state something as a question so it can imply doubt where there really is none, without needing any facts behind you.

Example:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-13-2006/the-question-mark

The trolls are back.<... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The trolls are back.

Can someone please recommend a reading comprehension course for them.

#11 I don't believe there w... (Below threshold)
JPO:

#11 I don't believe there was any mention of race anywhere in this discussion until you brought it up.

However, you were almost right with your first argument. Bush did clearly state his beliefs. However, the bigger separation between him and B.O. is Bush consistently followed his beliefs as well. I didn't always agree with everything Bush said or did, but I felt like I always knew what he believed, and I could rely on him to act according to those beliefs.

In case you've missed it, the race card is just about played out. Those of us on the conservative side of the discussion no longer feel the need to abandon the original argument, throw our hands up, and get defensive every time a liberal points at us and says "racist." Anymore, it's kind of like being called "big dummy" by the 3rd grader losing the argument on the school playground. It merely indicates you have no more substantive arguments to make, or more likely never had any to begin with.

I believe he's an adherent ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

I believe he's an adherent of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, myself.

Didn't I hear of him being served spaghetti and meatballs at a state dinner, and him exclaiming "Oh, my GOD!"?

Don't need no more proof than that... he's a Pastafarian.

@JPO - just because you're ... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@JPO - just because you're tired of hearing about it, doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist. That's as idiotic a position as saying "We have a black man as President, racism is solved!"

And I brought it up, as PART of the answer because it's PART of the answer. Race is absolutely at play, as is religious discrimination. I'm not saying YOU are racist, I'm saying that is PART of the reason we're even talking about this. If Obama was white, would we be having a discussion about how he's a secret Muslim? Doubtful.

@GarandFan - since when has reasoned debate, even reason you strongly disagree with been categorized as "trolling"? Did I miss part of the ToS of this site that we all have to post in lockstep?

Ditto what JPO said.... (Below threshold)
pj:

Ditto what JPO said.

We didn't question the reli... (Below threshold)

We didn't question the religious beliefs of Presidents Bush 41 and 43 because their deep and abiding faith was evident and quietly practiced on a steady basis. No such piety is evident in the white house of that sociopathic s.o.b. Obama!

Jake - Never said I was tir... (Below threshold)
JPO:

Jake - Never said I was tired of the argument, just that it's not as effective anymore.

This poll wasn't about whether he's a secret muslim, it's about what the American public believes regarding his religious beliefs. Perhaps if he was white, maybe the numbers would skew a little differently. But if race was the only change you're making (his background, past statements, etc., are all still the same), I think there would still be question as to what his religious affiliation is. Slick Willie wasn't exactly a strict adherent to the tenets of the Christian religion. If there had been any other indicators of his involvement with another religion, some people probably would have questioned him as well.

I personally find it more interesting that 43% say they don't know what Obama's religion is.

Racism is a hallmark of the... (Below threshold)
Nine-Fourteen:

Racism is a hallmark of the left, so it figures the libs would try to play that perverted worn out card here.

The answer for racism is clear. Stop identifying/ classifying people by it libs.

If O'bummer were white ( more then half ) and bowing to the moolahs/ Imams and endorsing there new mini mecca in manhattan your damn straight i'd be against it jake.

1. Because he clearly st... (Below threshold)
Mike G in Corvallis:

1. Because he clearly stated his fundamentalism at every moment.

Jake, are you aware that George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton attended the same church?

Maybe I'm missing something... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Maybe I'm missing something. But who's been talking about Obama's religion?
Sure, we might see glib comments on various web sites but other than that, who's bringing this up enough that 18% think he's muslim?
And why is it relevant?

There's plenty to disagree with with Obama. But I fail to see why his religion matters.

Then again, Romney's religion seemed to upset a lot of folks.

Is this something the MSM has been pushing?
Have to ask as I don't watch the MSM any longer.

While the Left is hypervent... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:

While the Left is hyperventilating over the responses of Conservatives and Republicans in the survey, consider this: Even a minority (46%) of Democrats think he's a Christian! That's a drop from a majority of 55% last year!

Me personally, I think he identifies himself as a "Christian" and I don't think he's a "secret Muslim." However, I think his faith has gone pretty "dormant" since moving to the WH. He seems to be living the life of an agnostic at best... and I think that this is his "problem" with the topic.

Obama probably isn't Muslim... (Below threshold)
John S:

Obama probably isn't Muslim, because he only worships himself. But if you were to theorize that he is a devout Muslim and he was on a secret jihad to destroy the "Great Satan" America, only then do his actions and policies begin to make sense.

Jake, please post a link to... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Jake, please post a link to where you heard GW Bush say we are on a crusade. I know you can't you idiot. My the intellect of the left is wanting. ww

@Gizmo, I'm glad we have yo... (Below threshold)
Jake:

@Gizmo, I'm glad we have you here to inform us of Obama's daily religious pratices and inner-most thoughts. I mean, without you, WH Inside, Priest/Cleric, and mind reader, we never would have known!

As the child of a Moslem fa... (Below threshold)
Mike Giles:

As the child of a Moslem father, any Moslem would consider him a Moslem.

Jake, no problem... don't m... (Below threshold)
Gizmo:

Jake, no problem... don't mention it! :)

If you have alternative reasoning based on observations as to why he can't even convince a simple majority of the members of his own party about his religious affiliation, I'd love to hear it.

I don't care what his relig... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

I don't care what his religion is. I care that is is a communist and his policies are destroying America and our future hopes. He could be orange with green stripes and golden hair and I would still despise him for what he has done to divide our nation along religious, racial, social, and political lines. He is not only the worst we have ever had, he has caused more harm to The U.S. than any other previous POTUS.
Neither his race or his religion will excuse what he has done through tyranny or prevent the disdain we will hold for him forever.

That is right Giles. A jewi... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

That is right Giles. A jewish father has a jewish son. Same with Islam which is very similar except Judaism has compassion. ww

I do not think Obama is a M... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

I do not think Obama is a Muslim.

But, based on how he plays fast and loose with the truth and is lightning quick to blame others and cast disparaging remarks towards anybody who disagrees with him, he's not much of a Christian.

A jewish father has a je... (Below threshold)
Mike G in Corvallis:

A jewish father has a jewish son.

Giles is correct, but you aren't, WildWillie. You're automatically a Jew if your mother was a Jew.

(No, I'm not Jewish, but even I know that.)

Obam can`t win. The same pe... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Obam can`t win. The same people and commenters who were slanging him for being too devoted a memeber of a radical black christian church in the south side of Chicago for fifteen years are now calling him a muslim, yet he knows his way round the Bible more than any other president since Carter.

Obama is an intellectual ef... (Below threshold)
Sir Toby Belch:

Obama is an intellectual effete, and above an
argument about RELIGION. He had to say he was
a "commited Christian" to seal the deal in
2008. Now, we get a Christ-Allah public image.
When I see him order a BACON cheeseburger,
I'll realize he is an atheist....something
NEVER mentioned in campaign 2008.

I don't know if he is a clo... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

I don't know if he is a closet muslim or not, but he never seems to miss a chance to kiss muslim butt.

People might think so becau... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

People might think so because of:
Not attending the National Day of Prayer Dinner
Attending Ramadan Dinner:
Praise of Muslim contribution to the world
Statement that America is not Judea Christian Nation
Though we are traditions based on this.
His joining a Church based on a very political speech by former Muslim.
Say the most beautiful sound he has ever heard was the Muslim call to prayer.
Those who follow Muslim traditions know you inherit your religious identify from your Father both his Biological and Step father were Muslims and his mother was an atheists.

As for G.W. Bush they were ... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

As for G.W. Bush they were to busy attacking President Bush blind faith and his attempt to divide the country with Faith Based Initiatives, and listen to God for answers. Bush also very consistent in his actions, This meant he was not imaginative and had no intellectual curiosity.




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