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OK, I think it's time to spell out just why so many people on the right come across as "anti-intellectual" or "anti-elite." And the reason is based on one of the most fundamental rules of science.

Supporters of President Obama like to tout his intellectual credentials. Columbia, Harvard Law, Harvard Law Review Constitutional Law scholar, and so on. (Just don't look too carefully for actual proof of his intellect -- don't ask for his grades, his writings, or stuff like that. Just take his success there at face value.)

They especially like comparing his resume' to that of Sarah Palin's -- four schools, five years, one degree.

Obviously, Obama is a genius and Palin is a moron. Especially if you listen to them speak -- one's a gifted orator (especially with TOTUS at hand), the other's a down-home country bumpkin hick.

Here's where that fundamental rules of science kicks in:

Experiment always trumps theory.

Where Palin absolutely demolishes Obama is in reality. He's go the fancy certificates; she's got a Ph.D. from the School Of Hard Knocks.

Yes, she went to four schools over five years for her degree. That's because she paid her own way through, worked various jobs to earn her tuition, and went where she could afford to.

Obama dabbled briefly in the private sector, a low-end drone at a trading house. Then he discovered the delight of the public payroll.

Palin, on the other hand, helped start a couple of businesses. She's had to make -- and live within -- budgets. She's had to make payroll.

Obama went into public service as a career. Palin went in because she saw things that needed fixing, kept finding more things that needed fixing, and walked away when her enemies found a way to threaten her family's security.

Obama needs to be in office. Palin doesn't.

The fundamental difference between a lifetime academician and theorist like Obama and a lifetime pragmatist like Palin is that Obama is fundamentally incapable of recognizing and admitting that his theories might be wrong. If they don't work, then obviously he didn't explain it well enough, he didn't spend enough money, or the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy sabotaged it.

Palin, on the other hand, understands The First Rule Of Holes and The Definition Of Insanity. When something doesn't work, she looks at it again and, if necessary, tosses it aside.

It's not that the right is anti-intellectual. The right reveres great intelligence. But, to reveal my Dungeons and Dragons background, it also understands that Intelligence is different from Wisdom. And in a crunch, we'll trust Wisdom over Intelligence -- because Intelligence unchecked by Wisdom leads to hubris.

And in the hands of the powerful, hubris often leads to catastrophe. In Obama's case, it's clear that his inability to conceive that he might be wrong tends to make him "double down on stupid" -- witness how his reaction to the overwhelming public disapproval of ObamaCare (to the point where Democrats who voted for it are refusing to acknowledge their support for it) means, to him, that he has to just keep on trying to "educate" us about how wonderful it is. He simply can't grasp that a lot of us already know the details, and still reject it.

It's not the intelligence that turns off conservatives. It's arrogant, all-knowing intelligence untempered by wisdom and experience that turns us off. And we're not that respectful of those who worship that strain of intelligence.

It's a pity that the left can't accept that there is a diversity of intelligence, and the best minds embrace more than one strain.


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"Obama is fundamentally inc... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Obama is fundamentally incapable of recognizing and admitting that his theories might be wrong."

Quite simply because socialist thought is "correct" thought. It cannot be wrong. Only people are wrong. Look no further than Barry touting another "stimulus" at a labor party rally today. Porkulus I, Cash for Clunkers, Mortgage modification, 1st Time Homebuyer Credit. When all else fails, DO IT AGAIN!

Obama is intellectually ban... (Below threshold)
914:

Obama is intellectually bankrupt. Dumb as a box of rocks.

This seems to be a reaction... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

This seems to be a reaction to my comment in your other post. But I think you misunderstood or misread my main point, Jay Tea.

My point was not to argue in favor of Obama, let alone theoretically myopic academics who never take the time to check their ideas against reality. My point was NOT to argue that academics have all the answers, or that they represent the only form of truth, wisdom, or intelligence. Far from it.

My point was to argue that blind opposition to the "educated elite" (i.e. people like Thomas Jefferson) is extremely shortsighted, if not detrimental to conservatives on the whole.

I was arguing to remind some folks, who praise the wisdom of the founding fathers and the theories of free-market economists like Hayek and Friedman, that conservative ideals are certainly not located outside of educated, intellectual traditions. So the populist, anti-elitist rhetoric of Palin is actually pretty counterproductive and internally contradictory, if you ask me (which you didn't). If she is so awestruck by the wisdom of the founding fathers, how can she be so openly anti-intellectual?

As for the "fundamental rules of science," you're a little off the mark there. Experiment (or practice) does not "trump" theory. Experiments and real world applications INFORM theory (and vice versa). The very form of an experiment is often shaped by previous experiments--since results provide new directions for exploration. At the same time, the types of data that you get are always conditioned by the theoretical questions that you ask at the outset. That's how science works. It's a dialectical process, not a one-way process. Point to take home from this: education (theory) and real world experience (practice) are actually mutually beneficial.

"It's not that the right is anti-intellectual. The right reveres great intelligence. But, to reveal my Dungeons and Dragons background, it also understands that Intelligence is different from Wisdom. And in a crunch, we'll trust Wisdom over Intelligence -- because Intelligence unchecked by Wisdom leads to hubris."

Intelligence is indeed different from wisdom, and wisdom is certainly not just found in the halls of academia. As for your preference for wisdom over intelligence, I absolutely agree with you, since wisdom is about experience and insight rather than just capacity or ability. However, I think it's important to differentiate between wisdom and the down-to-earth practicality and populism of Sarah Palin. Sorry, but when it comes to conservative wisdom, Palin's not the top choice. In all fairness, while Obama may be intelligent, I agree that he is absolutely lacking in the wisdom department as well.

"It's not the intelligence that turns off conservatives. It's arrogant, all-knowing intelligence untempered by wisdom and experience that turns us off. And we're not that respectful of those who worship that strain of intelligence."

Here I fully agree with you. Intelligence is great and all, but if it is unchecked by experience, practicality, and real world wisdom, then it can quickly lead to arrogance (and the unwillingness to reconsider assumptions, which is a HUGE problem). So, yes, I think that everyone should be both wary and critical of intelligence of this strain.

Let me make myself clear: I do not think that our educated classes have all the answers, and that everyone should just blindly fall over their every word. Definitely not. In fact, plenty of academics are full of sh*t--but then, so are plenty of plumbers.

Overall, I disagree with the populist Palin-ites who like to pretend that all of our problems stem from the "elites", and that a bunch of "practical" folks can solve all of our problems. In truth, we more than likely need a good combination of people who have a well-rounded blend of education, experience, wisdom, and yes, intelligence.

And for the conservatives or tea partiers, I don't think Sarah Palin measures up, even if she can garner media attention and adoring crowds. At some point, conservatives are going to need something more just populist cheerleaders who talk about vague notions of "less government" and the faults of Obama.

I'm reminded of the old jok... (Below threshold)
fustian:

I'm reminded of the old joke:

What's the difference between theory and practice?
In theory, nothing...

In an ideal world, though, theory and practice go hand in hand. They each move each other forward.

Personally, i do not buy the narrative that the left is more intellectual than the right. This idea is pushed heavily by University professors and their traveling buddies in the media.

From Charles Krauthammer to Victor Davis Hanson to James Taranto to Jonah Goldberg, there are plenty of smart intellectual types that are conservatives.

And there are plenty of intellectual lightweights to be found on the left. We could start with Rosie O'Donnell and go through much of Hollywood just for starters.

It's not been clear to me that Obama is what you would nominally call an intellectual. He has not history of accomplishment. Even his book is alleged to be ghostwritten.

As President, I have seen no evidence that he, himself has accomplished anything. The signature legislation that happened on his watch was done by Pelosi and company in Congress. I didn't see him shape anything. It's clear he's not even sure what's in it.

In fact, what has he ever done about anything?

As near as I can tell, Obama has spent the bulk of his Presidency partying, golfing, and vacationing.

Personally, i do n... (Below threshold)
ryan a:
Personally, i do not buy the narrative that the left is more intellectual than the right. This idea is pushed heavily by University professors and their traveling buddies in the media.

I agree. Absolutely. Which makes me wonder why so many on the right buy some of Palin's rhetoric. Doesn't make sense to me. There are tons of conservative academic-types. I don't see how they would find Palin appealing, at all.

Ryan@3You say that... (Below threshold)
Grace:

Ryan@3

You say that you agree on all the points that Jay raises, yet you still do not agree that Palin fits all of those catagories. If you think that all Palin has is populist retoric to make her qualified, I think you are mistaken. She does definately have great retoric, but she also has experience, and I would bet that this past year+ she has been studying and learning about the issues where she needed to be strengthened.

Remember, Obama does not do everything himself, but surrounds himself with like minded individuals who work out the details.

I believe that if (and I do think it is a big if) Palin became a candidate or POTUS, she would be surrounding herself by like minded individuals, also.
I think that her advisors, etc. would be more on track with the American people and the idea of capitalism and government by the people than Obama and his advisors are, and that would be good for this nation.

And people like you never w... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

And people like you never will.

I've yet to meet a liberal who really knows what Sarah has accomplished, all they know is what they hear from The View, Chrissy Tingle, Crazy Keith, etc.

One has promised, one has delivered.

One has rooted out corruption, one has encouraged it.

One would invite you in for breakfast, one would expect you to serve them breakfast.

One would show you in the front door, one would sneak you out the back door.

Grace,You... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Grace,

You say that you agree on all the points that Jay raises, yet you still do not agree that Palin fits all of those catagories. If you think that all Palin has is populist retoric to make her qualified, I think you are mistaken.

Well, then we'll have to agree to disagree about Palin. But, let me put it this way: A debate about politics and modern conservatism between someone like Condi Rice and Sarah Palin would be an absolute slaughter in favor of the former, IMO. Sorry, no contest.

Remember, Obama does not do everything himself, but surrounds himself with like minded individuals who work out the details.

This is the case with ALL presidents. So, basically, you're arguing that we shouldn't worry about any lack on the part of Palin, since she'll just appoint a cabinet that can make decisions for her anyway? Not really very encouraging.

I think that her advisors, etc. would be more on track with the American people and the idea of capitalism and government by the people than Obama and his advisors are, and that would be good for this nation.

Then why not just elect one of the advisors instead? After all, I am pretty sure that Palin can't even define capitalism, let alone explain why certain economic policies would be preferable over others. I'm not sure why people think that a "soccer mom" is going to be able to fix one of the most complex economic problems the US has ever dealt with. Sure it would make a great Disney after school special, but seriously, I don't think Palin's your answer. Sorry, I'm not impressed with what I have seen so far.


We would do well to give th... (Below threshold)
Sky Captain:

We would do well to give the soccer mom the chance.

The Kenyan community organizer has proven that he can't. Sorry, I'm not impressed with what I have seen so far.

GianiD,You sound l... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

GianiD,

You sound like a campaign commercial.

I think it's important to s... (Below threshold)
fustian:

I think it's important to separate the idea of smart from educated. There are a lot of really smart people that didn't go to Harvard or Yale.

And there are different kinds of smart.

Put one of your Ivy League intellectuals in the quarterback position during an NFL game and watch someone that suddenly doesn't look all that smart.

I don't know enough about Palin to know for sure that she would be a good President or even whether she's smart. But I do know this: every time she got the reins of power she did something positive with it. In Wasilla, she built a community gymnasium. As Governor, she cut back on waste, attacked corruption in her own party, and negotiated successful oil deals for Alaska.

I contrast that with Mr. Obama who goes through public life voting present.

And for all the people that think Palin is an idiot, I remember the Vice Presidential debate where she held her own against Biden. Now you may or may not think he's a bright man, but the left held him out as a seasoned foreign policy expert, and Obama picked him as VP. Frankly, I thought she battled him to at least a draw.

McCain severely damaged Palin by throwing her in front of the enemy press too soon in a failed attempt to curry favor with "the people that matter". You'll note that the left did no such thing with Obama.

And now, whether it's right or wrong, the narrative on Palin is largely set.

At this point, I'm afraid it no longer really matters what Palin is or isn't. Elections are largely decided by what I call the great unwashed (and uninformed) middle. They're the people that are happy enough with the way things are going that they just don't bother keeping up with politics. All they know about comes from Leno's monologue or the Daily Show.

And for those people, Palin is fixed as both a lightweight and an extremist. This makes any campaign for her a huge uphill slog.

ryanQuestion:... (Below threshold)
Greg:

ryan

Question:

Are you smarter than Sarah Palin?

Sky Captain,"We wo... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Sky Captain,

"We would do well to give the soccer mom the chance."

Actually, I think you guys would do much better by backing a conservative candidate who actually has a strong grasp of the critical political and economic issues--and who knows how to handle the social issues with a little more skill. That's what I think. And the sooner you guys figure that out and move away from the blind faith in Palin, the better.

Too many of you think that Palin is another Reagan, and she's not. Reagan was much more adept at dealing with the political center--by a landslide. If the conservatives actually nominate Palin as a candidate, she'll get decimated. No contest. Just my opinion.

I think it's impor... (Below threshold)
ryan a:
I think it's important to separate the idea of smart from educated. There are a lot of really smart people that didn't go to Harvard or Yale.

Fustian, it appears that I agree with you on many counts, and this is one of them. Excellent point. There are TONS of smart, informed, and wise people who did not go anywhere near Yale or any other college. Higher education is by no means the only source of knowledge or wisdom.

Now, go find one of these wise folks and nominate them, because Palin doesn't fit the bill. I have taken the time to read what she says, to look at her stances on issues, and I don't think she's doing the conservatives any favors--even if she is drawing crowds at present.

I really think you guys are overestimating her, by quite a lot.

Greg,Do you have a... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Greg,

Do you have a point to make or something to add to the discussion?

If so, please contribute.

Back in the day: ryan's old... (Below threshold)
Greg:

Back in the day: ryan's older brother told us that Ronald was a dunce. They were smarter than us wee little people. That Sarah is so dumb! Only us dummies would succomb to that rethoric. Dang: how do you spell retorick since it becme at college course anyway!

The Palin/Rice comparison i... (Below threshold)
fustian:

The Palin/Rice comparison is an interesting one. I'm a big fan of Condi and have no doubt that detailed discussions of policy would go her way.

But so what?

Condi is a classic advisor. She renders informed opinion to decision makers. But she is not the decision maker herself.

To be a leader, you've got to be bold enough to make up your mind about what's important, and then do it without having to ask permission of anyone. Real leaders are generally called upon for no more than a handful of significant decisions.

Palin gets in the ring and makes things happen, while Condi intelligently analyzes those that do.

That's a big difference.

Fustian, it appea... (Below threshold)
fustian:
Fustian, it appears that I agree with you on many counts

This suggests that you are intelligent, but lack wisdom (grin)...

Fustian,Let me ask... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Fustian,

Let me ask you this. Of ALL the possible conservatives out there, why do you think that Sarah Palin is such a great choice for a leader? Why do you think that she is such a great decision-maker?

Especially after you write that you're a fan of Rice, I am extra amazed that you think so highly of Palin.

"This suggests that you are... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

"This suggests that you are intelligent, but lack wisdom (grin)..."

Touché, Fustian!

While ryan a tries to take ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

While ryan a tries to take over the post, I will explain to him that going to Yale or Harvard does not qualify you for anything. That is all we heard from ryan and the left when GW Bush was president even though he had better grades then Gore.

Now ryan and his buddies say the right wing should be careful and select a candidate with the experience to handle the political issues, social, etc. Of course, ryan a. disregarded that wisdom for his own candidate who did not possess any experience and was in fact much less experienced then Palin, so in summation, ryan, you are full of bullshit. You should walk your talk before you lecture us on how to go about picking our leaders. ww

Since you can't counter the... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

Since you can't counter the points, you resort to sheep-ish talking points.

The MOST racist President ever is taking you lemmings over the edge with him. Wonder if Cloward-Piven wrote a chapter on what to do then?

In the meantime, I'll take someone who talks to me, instead of one who reads at me.

What scares you sheep is that the Tea party etc really is grass roots movement, instead of a Soros funded, MSM abetted disaster.

I've yet to meet a liberal ... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

I've yet to meet a liberal who was not a hypocrite. Matter of fact, I don't think I ever will!

Let me ask you th... (Below threshold)
fustian:
Let me ask you this. Of ALL the possible conservatives out there, why do you think that Sarah Palin is such a great choice for a leader? Why do you think that she is such a great decision-maker?

You misunderstand me.

I have not chosen Palin or anyone else as my standard bearer. I'm waiting until I know all of my options.

I just suspect that the standard narrative about her is wrong.

You mention Reagan positively, but I remember what things were like back back in the day and he was savaged by all the "smart" people, just like Palin is now.

What I like about Palin is the same thing I liked about Reagan. Plain speaking about the important issues, courage of their convictions, and a willingness to lead.

Now, I can't prove to you that Palin would be a good President. We'd have to do the experiment.

Personally, I hope someone attractive comes out of left field that has all of the positive attributes I see in Palin and Reagan, but hasn't yet accumulated all of the baggage. It would make things so much easier.

But.

Palin makes large bold moves. Quitting the Governorship is one. I wouldn't be surprised to find her the standard bearer in the end. Nor would I be surprised if she stays in the background. And I wouldn't be shocked if she crashed and burned.

Quick, here's a test: who was the best Presidential athlete by far? No one else even comes close.

Answer: Gerald Ford. Google him. That man was a stud. Yet the press made him out to be a stumbler. But he wasn't. Not ever. It was all lies, and they did it to him because the didn't like him and they could.

Clinton, on the other hand, was presented to us as some sort of political genius. Yet his first move was to wade into the whole gays in the military thing. Then he put his shrew wife in charge of the health care debacle. Then he lost control of congress and cynically joined with them when he had no other real choice. About then he started porking fat interns and lying under oath, bombing empty tents in the desert, ignoring the threat of bin Laden, and failing to follow through in Mogadishu. He followed up the impeachment trial by sabotaging the candidacy of his wife (the smartest woman in the world) who lost a big lead to an inexperienced race hustler from Chicago with a very unappealing Muslim name.

Which of those is the moves of a political genius?

You have to be careful of these narratives that come from the press. They're so often wrong.

What makes you so sure that Palin isn't the best candidate out there?

The same people that brought you the above? You might rethink your assumptions if so.

How come the libs always wa... (Below threshold)
Stan:

How come the libs always want to pick our leaders, when the ones they pick are such dunces? I think I know the reason why. They are afraid that the people that we choose will not be molded into what they want as theirs to be. They expect the person they choose, to jump through hoops and like it. When we do choose a good leader, the the so-called elite intellectuals on both sides of the political spectrum do everything in their power to tear down their target i.e. Ronald Reagan and George W Bush. These two are out of the picture, now. Then comes along Sarah Palin, who, embodies the American spirit as much as Reagan did and they have made her target No. 1 and will continue to do so as long as she remains a public figure.

"I really think you guys ar... (Below threshold)
914:

"I really think you guys are overestimating her, by quite a lot."

Compared to yoda ears shes the bomb. Marxism vs. capitalism. Yoda is a snooze.

Clinton, on the ot... (Below threshold)
Anon Y. Mous:
Clinton, on the other hand, was presented to us as some sort of political genius. Yet his first move was to wade into the whole gays in the military thing.

I disagree with you on this one. Clinton was never on board with the gay agenda. They started making noise at all his political events during his first presidential campaign. So, he "promised" that during his first week in office he would overturn the ban on gays in the military. At that time, the ban was strictly a military thing, up the chain of command to the president. So, he would overturn it by executive order.

Result of his promise? They stopped disrupting his political events, and he goes on to get elected. Then, once he has the position, he not only does not sign the executive order, but he signs into law "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". As a result, no future president could overturn the ban by executive order, as it was now the law of the land.

That was some pretty slick maneuvering. Not only did he get the gays of his back, did what he wanted politically, but nobody even holds him to account for it. When have you ever heard the left rail against Clinton for screwing over the gays?

Many people misunder... (Below threshold)
Sapwolf:


Many people misunderstand the role of the conservative intellectual and the conservative leader.

Buckley and Kirk and the rest of the modern American Conservative Movement are nothing if not backed up by the livers and doers of the conservative movement such as say Reagan.

A simple reading of Russell Kirk's Ten Conservative Principles shows the framework. A close look at the life of Sarah Palin shows that even if she has not studied much of Kirk, Buckley or other American intellectual heavyweights, she sure as hell has lived them, and lived them more than any other national level politician.

http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html

We do know she has read some Hayek, a lot of Sowell, the Bible both New and Old Testament, the Alaska and US Constitutions, and that she gets things done.

The conservative intellectual movement in America is important, but what is much more important is that we have the leaders who can live the principles and lead the effort to stop leviathan. At this time, I see only Sarah Palin as courageous enough to fight in the trenches for those dear principles of Buckley.

Over a month ago, I was at a breakfast with some other Tea Party people including a gentleman from FreedomWorks. He brought up the name of Mitch Daniels as a possible GOP candidate. I spit some coffee out at the ridiculous suggestion. It was like a suggestion of Chamberlain to lead the UK against Nazi Germany.

Courage and guts are what is needed now, along with dedication. We know the principles. Now it is time to live them as the Restoring Honor Rally pushes in our own lives, as the TPM pushes in political life.

Buckley is to Sitting Bull as Sarah is to Crazy Horse, as the TPM is to the rise of the different Sioux tribes. And Obama/Pelosi/Reid are to George Custer and that poor detachment of the 7th. The scalps a be a comin. And that is a good thing that we can thank Buckley, Kirk, the Founding Fathers, but also the political leaders of charisma, courage, and convictions.

That was some pret... (Below threshold)
fustian:
That was some pretty slick maneuvering. Not only did he get the gays off his back, did what he wanted politically, but nobody even holds him to account for it. When have you ever heard the left rail against Clinton for screwing over the gays?

I would argue differently.

What he did was lie during the campaign to a fairly small constituency that probably didn't make that much difference in the final analysis. Were they really going to vote for Dole?

Then he completely botched it by hitting on a middle ground that pleased no one as the first act of his new administration.

At the time most people viewed this as an own goal.

So you think that shit you ... (Below threshold)

So you think that shit you pulled on Kos was funny, well fuck you! RepubliKlan all cheat. RepubliKlans don't have a fair debate , they cut people off from commenting on their site. I don't see how a dumb racist bigot like Gov. Satan Pagan could be thought of as a Einstein. Yea you took a page from Michael Gallagher when he said to "bring your pitchfolks", you brought your machine guns. That all the RepubliKlans have left is violence. All that anti-Muslim shit is getting our troops killed. Even al-Qaeda says it's a good recruitment tool. You burn Mosques and Korans, all you have is hate. Then Beck has a Fuck Black people and Martin Luther King march. Thought that shit was funny? Beck was speaking like a martyr, he wanted to get shot. No one took the bait. Beck wanted Black people to riot after he has his Fuck MLK Day parade.You even are messing with the moral of the troops. RepubliKlans are a threat to national security. Marches are happening in Afghanistan thanks to RepubliKlans. General Petarus said that what people are doing in the states could..."endanger troops and endanger the whole effort here".

It's official RepubliKlans are traitors!

This guy ryan a really brin... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

This guy ryan a really brings out the best in the rest of you guys. This is the best thread I've seen on Wizbang in a long time. Kudos to you, too, Mr Tea.

I'll stay out of it. I'm not in ryan's league. But I did want to issue those compliments.

Oops, didn't see post #30 b... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Oops, didn't see post #30 before I posted.

kid funk- you might want to... (Below threshold)
zaugg:

kid funk- you might want to lay off the sauce the rest of the night before you pass out. Tomorrow, take a couple of aspirin for your hangover.

#30-"General Petar... (Below threshold)
914:

#30-

"General Petarus said that what people are doing in the states could..."endanger troops and endanger the whole effort here"."


Well, one things for sure, Wizbang doesn't discriminate against the mentally handicapped like YOU Flunkydumfc.

#30 is living and illiterat... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

#30 is living and illiterate proof why unionized teachers and social promotion is an abject failure.

What he did was li... (Below threshold)
Anon Y. Mous:
What he did was lie during the campaign to a fairly small constituency that probably didn't make that much difference in the final analysis. Were they really going to vote for Dole?

No doubt, he would have preferred to avoid the whole issue. But, he couldn't. It wasn't that he needed the votes of that small minority, it was that they forced the issue by disrupting his events. He would hold a rally, and there they'd be, shouting about their issue. He just wanted them to shut up. So, he lied to them, and they did shut up.

But, because of the way he maneuvered the issue, he was never called on his flat out lie. He made motions like he was going to keep his promise, but then big, bad old Sam Nunn and his allies prevented him. All's it takes is for everyone to believe that Nunn was working in opposition to Clinton rather than in collaboration with him. Of course, it helps if the media is on your side.

The country gave the keys t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The country gave the keys to a hack, zero accomplishment politician from Chicago, and who was heavily endorsed by the 'intellectual elite' of academia and the MSM. We've seen the results.

And yet the same "intellectual elite" go out of their way to question Palin's "experience".

(P.A. System): Cleanup on a... (Below threshold)

(P.A. System): Cleanup on aisle 30, please, cleanup on aisle 30 -- better bring the large mop for this one.

I wish I could remember whe... (Below threshold)
Idahoser:

I wish I could remember where I got this, if anybody knows please add the attribution here- but in the meantime it's just too good not to promulgate it.

THE NEW DEMOCRAT LAW OF HOLES
When you find yourself in a hole, buy a nicer shovel- on credit

What kid funk is talking ab... (Below threshold)

What kid funk is talking about is how I got several of my latest comments on a Kos page "hidden." I'm letting his diseased rantings stand to prove that, by his own standards, we're better than they are.

On the other hand, there's no real reason why I should allow him to say anything else, as he's unlikely to have anything of value to add...

J.

"Then Beck has a Fuck Bl... (Below threshold)
914:

"Then Beck has a Fuck Black people and Martin Luther King march. Thought that shit was funny? Beck was speaking like a martyr, he wanted to get shot. No one took the bait. Beck wanted Black people to riot after he has his Fuck MLK Day parade."


From the mouth of a true intellectual Obama supporter comes the truth.


Did you attend Barrys churc... (Below threshold)
914:

Did you attend Barrys church too kid funkadelic?

The democrats are perfectly... (Below threshold)
Idahoser:

The democrats are perfectly happy to accept a 'two steps forward, one step back' progress, knowing full well that when conservatives get the chance to put the dem agenda back a step, we think the war is over and quit the field. Then they get a decade to put things 'right' according to their agenda before we get our crap together to do it again. They win, is the name of the game.
But, yes, to put them back that one step, takes somebody who tempts the namecalling. I'd rather have a Sarah Palin even if she was the dummy they want us to see; than a Ron Paul who would not fight for any reason.

Jay Tea, I am one of your b... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Jay Tea, I am one of your biggest fans. But on this one, I have to side more with Ryan. I have been a Palin fan, LONG before she hit the national stage. About a week before Mcain announced her as his running mate I told a friend of mine that she would be a great choice for VP.

However, today I'm not so sure. I still like her, but I'm not so convinced these days that she would be a great President. The comparisons of her and Reagan don't fit well in my book. She is no Ronald Reagan. My father knew Ronald Reagan VERY well. My father was head of Reagan's White House Secret Service Detail. He reported frequently directly to Rawhide. Their relationship predates that, all the way back to when RR was Governor of California. Through my father I know a lot more of the real Reagan. Sarah has some similarities, but we need to be careful of assuming that she is Reagan reincarnate. She isn't.

"General Petarus said that ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"General Petarus said that what people are doing in the states could..."endanger troops and endanger the whole effort here".

For the idiot's edification, I believe when Petarus said that, it was the DEMOCRATS who were complaining.

Or does the idiot conveniently forget the General Betrayus ad in the NYT's?

I believe I was disputing t... (Below threshold)
fustian:

I believe I was disputing the conventional narrative about the left being more intellectual than the right earlier.

That was just a theory, really.

But now that poster 30 has graced our discussion we have some practical experience to draw on.

With the non-traditional grammar, the advanced progressive spelling, and the creative political theories, it's clear we are in the presence of a true intellectual.

What was I thinking?

And, now I see clearly that we've got to stop having peaceful, multi-cultural and interfaith celebrations of America since it apparently riles up our enemies.

Perhaps more Gay Pride parades would do the trick.

Comment 3: "So the populist... (Below threshold)
nohype:

Comment 3: "So the populist, anti-elitist rhetoric of Palin is actually pretty counterproductive and internally contradictory.... If she is so awestruck by the wisdom of the founding fathers, how can she be so openly anti-intellectual?"

You seem to be equating anti-elitist rhetoric and anti-intellectualism. They are not the same thing. Many or most conservative intellectuals are anti-elitist. I agree that Palin uses anti-elitist rhetoric, but do not see the evidence that she is anti-intellectual.

Palin has been posting some very perceptive and influential pieces, mostly on Facebook. How perceptive? Perceptive enough so that it is commonplace on Leftist blogs for commenters to insist that someone else is writing them because a stupid, anti-intellectual woman like Palin certainly could not write at that level. You do not see equally influential pieces coming from the other potential Republican candidates (except for Gingerich), nor did Obama ever do anything comparable. If it turns out that Palin's critics are correct, and in fact someone is ghosting these pieces, then her fans need to abandon her. But if she is writing them herself, then those who keep insisting that she is ill-informed and stupid need to acknowledge that this is one sharp lady.

ryan,first off Pal... (Below threshold)
unseen:

ryan,

first off Palin would destroy condi in a debate on anything but Russia. condi was a terrible SOTUS. she was a failure as Sec of State.

Second you are confusing word choice with smarts. Anyone that thinks Palin is dumb or unable to grasp complex concepts is showing themselves to be idiots.

Obama is intellectually ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Obama is intellectually bankrupt. Dumb as a box of rocks. 914

Where Palin absolutely demolishes Obama is in reality. Jay Tea

Good luck America, should Sarah ever become President, she is such a worldly woman?

Thing is, I don't see Palin... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Thing is, I don't see Palin as Reagan incarnate, or Lincoln incarnate - or any other politician except herself. I don't understand the desire to put her in the mold of "She's another (fill in the blank)" when I think she's doing a fine job as herself.

I've always thought we get the President we need for the times we find ourselves in. Carter was a wakeup call - we needed a President who would actually stand up for the country, and we got him in Reagan and Bush 1. Clinton was a good president for a time when there wasn't much of import happening - there were no serious (on a scale of 1 to 10 ranging from 8 up) events on his watch, and Al Gore wasn't right for 9/11 and the aftermath. Obama is another wakeup call - more like a wakeup bitch slap on the back of the head. Would Obama stand up for the US? Would he act in the country's best interests if faced with a choice between appeasing the Euro multi-culturalists or doing something they didn't like which was good for OUR country?

(On the good side, that theory indicates that we're not going to be faced with any problems that threaten our existence as a nation. It also indicates that the financial problems, though serious, aren't fatal... yet. On the bad side, it's a theory that can well be proven wrong.)

For better or worse, we're paying attention to our politicians now like we haven't in decades. I don't think they like it at all - and I can't say I blame them. After all, how dare the folks who didn't graduate from the proper schools dare judge whether what they're doing is right?

nohype. Palin has a number ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

nohype. Palin has a number of consultants and advisors.

Aries Petra Consulting LLC
12728 Directors Loop
Woodbridge, Virginia 22192

writes her facebook messageS or AS THEY SAY do her "Consulting Internet, Message" for six thousand dollars a month.

previous <a href="http://qu... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

previous link.

nohype. Palin has ... (Below threshold)
nohype. Palin has a number of consultants and advisors.

and this is different from other politiicans... how, exactly?

...writes her facebook message

and you know this... how, exactly?

#51 You need ... (Below threshold)
nohype:

#51

You need more than the speculation of those on the Left that Rebecca Mansour is ghosting the posts.

As for the payments to consultants, anyone who wants to run for president, and Palin will run for president, needs consultants and advisers. It would be foolish for a person in her position not to have them.

If she is as unqualified as those on the Left think she is, she will be destroyed in the primaries. We will see.

(It is interesting that those who keep trashing Palin were convinced that Obama was going to be the greatest president ever because he had genius intelligence and a first-class temperament. If they were so wrong about him, why should we trust their judgment of Palin?)

Oregon Muse , are you openi... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Oregon Muse , are you opening my links, did you listen to her being pranked so easily, when she went on unscripted? Do you remember how she couldn't come up with a single paper or magazine she reaads regularly when asked?

C'mon in a sense she is not so different from other politicians, except she must rely on those that surround her more. 'The Numbers Behind Palin's Facebook Strategy'

One set of numbers jumps out from Sarah Palin's campaign finance reports, filed with the FEC last night, (over a month ago) and that's some $22,000 paid by Sarah PAC over the last three months to the firm Aries Petra Consulting.

Why that's relevant: Aries Petra is helmed by Rebecca Mansour, described by Politico's Ken Vogel as "a Los Angeles screenwriter and political neophyte whose creation of the popular cheerleading blog Conservatives4Palin endeared her to Palin's inner circle and led to her being hired to help manage Palin's Internet presence, including her closely watched Facebook page."

Having Aries Petra on continued, fairly high-priced retainer -- the company got $6,000 a month from Palin's PAC in April and May for "Consulting Internet, Message," and $10,000 in June for "Grassroots/Communication Consulting" -- probably isn't going to do much to tamp down the rumors that it's Mansour really driving Palin's high profile on Facebook, where the former Governor's 1.8 million fans and long notes on foreign affairs, social policy, and legislative battles often get her much notice in the press.

"While ryan a tries to take... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

"While ryan a tries to take over the post, I will explain to him that going to Yale or Harvard does not qualify you for anything."

Willie, I never said that going to Harvard or Yale automatically qualifies you for a damn thing. A person can be extremely well versed in politics, economics, business, and history without ever set foot in a damn university. Don't misread my argument. Being "educated" or "intelligent" certainly does not require a university education.

"Of course, ryan a. disregarded that wisdom for his own candidate who did not possess any experience and was in fact much less experienced then Palin, so in summation, ryan, you are full of bullshit."

I'm not sure how many times I can repeat this point to you guys: this is NOT an argument in favor of Obama. Try to keep that in mind.

I miss the days of blue sta... (Below threshold)
914:

I miss the days of blue stained dresses and bimbo eruptions.

Economic double dip depression and a mono-toned dupe in the white house show us all why marxism is not an enjoyable experience. Sure billybob had his faults but at least he left a good economy alone and people prospered.

GianiD,"Since you ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

GianiD,

"Since you can't counter the points, you resort to sheep-ish talking points."

Go read through my comments. Feel free to point out the "sheep-ish talking points". If you have an actual point to make, by all means, let's hear it.

I wrote several comments on this thread, and your response was this:

One has promised, one has delivered.

One has rooted out corruption, one has encouraged it.

One would invite you in for breakfast, one would expect you to serve them breakfast.

One would show you in the front door, one would sneak you out the back door.

I'm sorry, but I don't see how these are substantial points that need to be countered. These are basically your personal reactions and opinions about Sarah Palin. Nothing wrong with that, but you're not exactly laying out well constructed points that merit extended responses. I mean, how did you come to your amazing conclusion about who would invite you over for breakfast? How do you want me to counter? That I think Sarah Palin would NOT invite you over for breakfast? Then what?

"The MOST racist President ever is taking you lemmings over the edge with him. Wonder if Cloward-Piven wrote a chapter on what to do then?"

Uh, ok. Pure opinion on your part, and not a lot that merits a response here either, since I try to avoid meaningless rhetorical nonsense.

"In the meantime, I'll take someone who talks to me, instead of one who reads at me."

Again, how do you want me to respond to a personal opinion like this? This is your personal view, and that's that. No point to counter here.

"What scares you sheep is that the Tea party etc really is grass roots movement, instead of a Soros funded, MSM abetted disaster."

Actually, I think it's great that the Tea Party is a collection of grass roots movements that is getting fed up with politics as usual. And while I disagree with a lot of their ideological leanings, I fully respect their right to speak out, make their views known, and stand up against politics as usual in Washington. In fact, I'd like to see more of the US actually give a damn and DO SOMETHING about our dysfunctional political system.

So then...what's your point about my understandings of the Tea Party?

Again, if you have an actual point to make, I'm game.

unseen,"first off ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

unseen,

"first off Palin would destroy condi in a debate on anything but Russia. condi was a terrible SOTUS. she was a failure as Sec of State."

Interesting. I wonder what everyone else here thinks about this contention. Any other regular Wizbangers willing to weigh in on this one? Would Palin decimate Rice in a debate about politics?

I'll take Rice by a landslide.

Jay Tea; Supporters of P... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Jay Tea; Supporters of President Obama like to tout his intellectual credentials. Columbia, Harvard Law, Harvard Law Review Constitutional Law scholar,


and here is Rebecca Mansour/Sara Palin`s endorsement September 2nd, on their Republican Facebook page of their candidate for Alaska Senate

Friends, please join me saluting a patriot from Alaska who shocked the nation by proving the naysayers wrong.

Joe Miller's record, intentions, and political philosophy represent the necessary direction Alaska and the rest of America must take to ensure prosperity and security. This decorated combat vet and graduate of West Point, Yale , and the University of Alaska understands the Constitution and will work tirelessly to defend it.

JLawson,"For bette... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

JLawson,

"For better or worse, we're paying attention to our politicians now like we haven't in decades. I don't think they like it at all - and I can't say I blame them. After all, how dare the folks who didn't graduate from the proper schools dare judge whether what they're doing is right?"

I already responded to a similar point you made along these lines on the other thread. But this is where I agree with you. The more people that start paying attention, the better. The more scrutiny politicians get--left and right--the better. So we're definitely in agreement here.

As far as your point about taking Palin on her own terms and not constantly comparing her to one person or another--well taken.

Instead of having knee-jerk... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Instead of having knee-jerk reactions to what ryan is saying, mull over in your mind what he is saying.

Comparing Palin to Rice is ... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

Comparing Palin to Rice is like comparing apples to oranges. A better comparison, ryan, would be to compare Palin to Bachman. That one gives you more latitude.

Oregon Muse , are ... (Below threshold)
Oregon Muse , are you opening my links

That post only had one link (singular), to a web site detailing where and to what groups and organizations Sarah PAC disbursed funds to, so that is the only one I clicked on. That list was rather a lengthy one. So I just couldn't see why you were able to zero in on one particular consulting firm out of many on that list, as if you knew precisely who was hired and for what purpose. Are you privy to some inside information, or have you discovered a mole inside Sarah PAC, or what? How exactly is it that you know these things? And your follow-up post, which consists mostly of speculative hand-waving, is not real persuasive of anything, save for as an illustration of how liberals will say anything and believe anything as long as they think it is critical of Palin.

Interesting. I won... (Below threshold)
Interesting. I wonder what everyone else here thinks about this contention...I'll take Rice by a landslide.

It depends on the subject. On national security issues, I think Rice definitely has the advantage. But on energy policy, I'd give Palin the edge.

Actions speak louder than w... (Below threshold)
CliffNZ:

Actions speak louder than words. Real intelligence is manifested in action. Sarah Palin's actions throughout her governorship and since have been intelligent. Who is the most influential republican on the planet? Will republicans get behind the one that can win? Or will Republicans lose the next election simply because they were more convinced by a left wing media narrative than the intelligent actions of an ex Alaskan Governor and Conservative superstar.

#55 Do y... (Below threshold)
nohype:

#55

Do you remember how she couldn't come up with a single paper or magazine she reaads regularly when asked?

It is amazing how often that one bad answer becomes a (the?) main support for the contention that Palin was ill-informed. She claims her response came from annoyance with badgering and condescending questioning, and notes that at that time she had already written pieces for the editorial pages of a number of major newspapers. A way to find out if her explanation is reasonable is to put that bit of of the interview into context by looking at the complete, unedited interview. Remember how a few weeks ago context mattered in the Sherrod case? But if you look for the unedited interview, you will not find it because CBS has never released it. Why would that be?

Isn't it remarkable how muc... (Below threshold)

Isn't it remarkable how much love there is among the left for Condoleezza Rice, one of the main architects and advocates of the Iraq War, once she's safely out of power and presenting the opportunity for Palin-bashing?

My own admiration for Dr. Rice is long-established, and I'd welcome folks like ryan a to the "Yay Condi" club if I thought for an instant that their fondness for her was sincere.

J.

President-Elect Palin is a ... (Below threshold)

President-Elect Palin is a poorly educated hick who lacks sophistication and an ability to efficaciously communicate in precisely the way the greatest president of the past two hundred years was a poorly educated hick who lacked sophistication and the ability to efficaciously communicate.

As in: "They lose, we win!"

(They're politicians, for Goodness sakes, not bloody rocket scientists!)

"Intelligence is differe... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Intelligence is different from Wisdom"

Are you saying Obama's a wizard and Palin's a mage?

ryan, I think you're confus... (Below threshold)
fustian:

ryan, I think you're confusing leadership with intelligence.

The unwritten context of your comments about Palin imply to me that you believe our problems are so serious and complex, that unless someone has the kind of smarts that gets them into and through an Ivy League school, they have no chance to help us. Now I wrote that very carefully not to imply that a person needed to go to such a school. Only that they could have.

One of the most amazing acts of leadership I've seen in my lifetime is a drunken Boris Yeltsin sitting on a tank and bringing down Communist Russia. He wasn't much later, but at the time that may have been exactly the kind of leadership they needed.

Leaders are typically called on to make the big strategic decisions. Do we go to war? Should we offer socialized health care to everyone? Should we shrink or grow government? Is the military sufficiently funded and directed at the right kind of threat?

These are tough decisions, and leaders typically surround themselves with very smart people to make them happen once the decisions are made.

What you generally want in a leader is a bold person of character, with the courage of their convictions who is smart enough to surround themselves with really bright people, but not so smart they fall prey to analysis paralysis.

Many people here suspect that Palin may have some of those qualities. Of course, it's difficult to judge since so much of what we know about her comes from an enemy press.

The kind of press that could make a stud athlete like Gerald Ford into a foolish bumbler. Or a reptilian, green-scamming, moron like Al Gore into a Nobel Prize winner.

"Obama is intellectually ba... (Below threshold)
SPQR:

"Obama is intellectually bankrupt. Dumb as a box of rocks." - 914

And morally bankrupt, too.

"My own admiration for Dr. ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

"My own admiration for Dr. Rice is long-established, and I'd welcome folks like ryan a to the "Yay Condi" club if I thought for an instant that their fondness for her was sincere."

Are you SERIOUS Jay Tea? After everything I have written here, THIS is your only direct response? Seriously, Jay Tea, sometimes all you have are cheap shots based upon lame assumptions. And then I have to reply, explain my actual position, and put your dumb arguments to rest. I know you're an author here, but at some points it's actually OK to address opposing views with a certain measure of respect. So what if I don't think Palin measures up? Who cares?

NOWHERE did I say that I suddenly am a fan of Rice. NOWHERE did I say that I am looking to join the Condi Rice fan club. What I am saying is that, while I disagree with Rice's politics, I respect her knowledge and understanding of the issues. In much the same way that I have respect for plenty of other conservatives despite the fact that I might disagree with them politically. Rice was just ONE example out of many that came to mind...and that's about all there is to it.

Now, you can disagree with me about my main point regarding Palin, and plenty of people already have (many of them making excellent points). I have based my opinion on what I have read about her, on the speeches that I have seen, her websites, and what she has written. So, if you have some actual point of contention with what I am saying, let's hear it.

Fustian,As has bee... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Fustian,

As has been the case throughout this thread (and the other related one), you continue to make excellent points. Your distinction between leadership and "smarts" are well taken.

Actually, when it comes to leadership of her own constituency, I can see why you would argue that Palin is a good leader. She pushes hard for the issues she believes in--and makes few apologies about her views. But let me ask you this: Do you think that Palin would be a good president of the US? A president of everyone, and not just her base?

In my opinion, her kind of populism works well to generate support, but can ultimately come up short when it's time to come up with ideas and solutions for the nation as a whole, rather than one set of constituents or supporters. Not to make another Reagan comparison, but for as much as I disagreed with some things that he did, he WAS able to handle the political center quite well, while still holding on to his base. I definitely do not think Palin has that ability.

Obama is so smart he thinks... (Below threshold)
Olsoljer:

Obama is so smart he thinks he knows it all and any variations from his course of action is wrong.

Palin is smart enough to know she doesn't know it all, is smart enough to listen to opinions/options then make the tough decisions herself.

Obama has surrounded himself with sycophants who tell him what he wants to hear (has he EVER appointed ANYONE to a position that said person was QUALIFIED for?)

ryan a, I note you didn't a... (Below threshold)

ryan a, I note you didn't address the fact that Dr. Rice was one of the key architects and driving forces behind the Iraq war. I don't recall you specifically saying one thing or another about the war, but I am assuming that you were against it. (And yes, I know what can happen when you "assume.")

But if you're saying you admire and respect Dr. Rice, as I do, then you pretty much have to back her on her stance on the war, first as NSA and then as SecState.

Hmm... I just read ryan a's last comment on the "Brains!" thread, and I might have to reconsider my opinion of him. He might just be bucking for the "reasonable opposition" slot that's been vacant since mantis went off his rocker.

(Sorry, the "highly esteemed reasonable opposition" is locked up by James H, who's shown no signs of LGF Syndrome... thank god.)

J.

As has been the ca... (Below threshold)
fustian:
As has been the case throughout this thread (and the other related one), you continue to make excellent points. Your distinction between leadership and "smarts" are well taken.

Such perspicacity!

Do you think that Palin would be a good President of the US?

Well, that's the $64,000 question, isn't it? And, as they say, the proof is in the pudding. We can't really know until we put her to the test.

I can say that I really thought Obama would be a better President than he turned out to be. I thought he would be more of a center-left guy and I thought that the economic situation would constrain him substantially.

Boy, was I wrong on that!

I can tell you that, from what I've read, before Palin became the boogey-woman of the left she is now, she had a reputation in Alaska for being fairly moderate. She wasn't banning books, picketing abortion clinics or any of that.

I also believe fairly strongly that for many of the important issues, there is no center to govern from. You are either for abortion or you are against it. I see no central ground there. You either want government to provide everyone with health care or you think insurance is a personal decision to be made available from a free market. Is Global Warming a coming Armageddon requiring massive mobilzation right now, or is it an attempt to squeeze large amounts of cash from developed nations on the basis of bad science?

Rather than find someone namby-pamby, I prefer someone that will make those decisions correctly rather than "fairly".

She wasn't banning book... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

She wasn't banning books

It wasn't for lack of trying! 'ABC Investigates Sarah Palin's Book Censorshop'

Steve, those who actually l... (Below threshold)

Steve, those who actually looked into the story note that Palin, as new mayor, asked the librarian what the library's policy was when asked to remove books. She didn't bring up any titles, "suggest" a policy, or imply that the librarian ought to adopt a stricter policy.

She knew that book-banning gets to be a hot-button issue in small towns, so she wanted to be certain she knew where things stood before it came up as an issue.

Sounds smart to me...

J.

(Oh, sorry, source here.)

Ah, Steve fell for it.... (Below threshold)
fustian:

Ah, Steve fell for it.

That was a little booby trap I set.

One of the many interesting... (Below threshold)
fustian:

One of the many interesting things about Palin is just how much the left hates her and just how actively they try to define and thwart her.

If she were the idiot that ryan a suggests she might be, why would they waste their time in that way?

I know we don't waste that kind of time hating on Biden and God knows that man doesn't have the IQ of an ingrown lycee nut.

I have never seen such a sudden, concerted, and coordinated attack on one person. I have to say that I'm less impressed by what the left says about her and more impressed by what they do.

And if the left has collectively identified her as the biggest threat they face, who are we conservatives to quibble?

Hope you don't mind me step... (Below threshold)

Hope you don't mind me stepping on your punchline there, fustian... I didn't see it coming. I really didn't see it coming, much like Steve. Sorry...

J.

Sounds smart, whethe... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Sounds smart, whether she is or not? Oh well.

Palin is certainly not your average predictable sawdust politician. Jay, I like her refreshing public persona, but her 'alleged' streak of petty vindictiveness is troubling.

The Vanity Fair profile may be not be credible, but it is so similar to one written two years ago, with the same caveats, (or excuses) of anonymous sources, one wonders? Of course, if Palin were or is as vindictive as they say she is, I would be anonymous too, if I were a source.

Faustian, one for you.... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Faustian, one for you.

Jay Tea: no prob. Saved me ... (Below threshold)
fustian:

Jay Tea: no prob. Saved me from having to find a link...

Alternately, Steve, if I wa... (Below threshold)

Alternately, Steve, if I was going to make up a bunch of bad shit about someone I don't like to a journolist out do do a hit piece about them, I'd ask for anonymity, too. Not only does that insulate me from defamation lawsuits, the "I'm too afraid to give my real name" angle adds credibility.

At least among those who are already inclined to believe the worst about the target to begin with.

Case in point -- you.

Why, I think there's a term for "pre-judging" someone before all the facts are in...

J.

A little advice I've learne... (Below threshold)

A little advice I've learned the hard way time and again, Steve: always be most suspicious of things that reinforce your biases. It's so easy to simply take them at face value because you "know" they're true.

J.

Steve: "Faustian" is... (Below threshold)
fustian:

Steve:
"Faustian" is a deal made with the devil.
"Fustian" refers to pompous, inflated or pretentious writing or speech.

I go by the second.

Thanks!

Jay Tea, good advice! I rem... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Jay Tea, good advice! I remember Marshall McLuhan said "the content of tv was the viewer." The viewer, or reader sees what they want, maybe the journalist or blogger too.

Palin is interesting because her personality is out of the box. I remember a line from a character in an Oscar Wilde play, to parapharase, "she is so ignorant of life, she is delightful". Palin has got maybe six years to put it together if she studies, but will she, I doubt it? She seems smart enough, just not well-informed.

Yeah, but Steve, if Palin i... (Below threshold)

Yeah, but Steve, if Palin is so dumb, why is it that the only evidence that you've offered so far in defense of your opinion is the usual anthology of anti-Palin smears that have been debunked and refuted over and over again?

The least you could do is come up with some original material.

I have never seen ... (Below threshold)
ryan a:
I have never seen such a sudden, concerted, and coordinated attack on one person. I have to say that I'm less impressed by what the left says about her and more impressed by what they do.

Hmmm. It's true, I'm don't like Palin. I definitely would not vote for her. Do I think she's brilliant? Nope. Do I HATE her of FEAR her? Nope. Am I on here trying to "attack" her? No, I'm not. I had actually just read a piece about some recent trends in American conservatism, and I kind of sounded off about my thoughts about Palin. There are plenty of conservatives who impress me, even if I absolutely disagree with them politically. Palin is not one of those. Read into it what you wish.

Of all people out there, I don't see the appeal. But obviously, she has a lot of appeal. Good for you guys. I'm glad you're excited about her, even if I don't see the appeal. Maybe she'll be a fantastic president. Who knows? As Obama proves, it's not an easy game to call, is it?

Still, I wouldn't get too overexcited about Palin simply because a lot of liberals don't like her. Also, don't confuse intimidation with disagreement. Very different.

Well I don't see how she ge... (Below threshold)
fustian:

Well I don't see how she gets to President from here if for no other reason than too many people have internalized the narrative about her like you have.

Still, my take is that, while she is no intellectual, I bet she's plenty bright.

I did see the Couric interview and it was cringeworthy, but no more so than Obama off the teleprompter. I thought that if she was the idiot all the left claims she is, Biden would cut her up in the VP debate.

Didn't happen.

I thought the speech she made at the Republican Convention was one of the most riveting speeches I have ever seen. The pressure on her was immense and she really knocked that one out of the park. I was hugely impressed and have been a fan since.

I think that speech really scared the left. They could see her mobilizing the average person in ways that almost no one else has been able to. And they were clearly frightened she would peel off large numbers of women.

That's when the left was mobilized. They mobilized in ways I've not seen in my lifetime. They rifled through her garbage, they trolled Alaska for dirt, the networks slammed, her, Saturday Night Live nailed her, for almost two years there was a dig at her in just about every Letterman and Leno monologue.

And yet she stands.

You might want to rethink Ms. Palin.




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