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When Did Being My Father Become Radical and Fringe?

My father was a frugal man--sometimes painfully so. What cannot be denied is that he had a clear, self-reliant view on how one should live there life. He worked very, very hard to ensure that he provided for his family without any outside assistance. The consequence of this point of view was that he didn't like money taken from him to be given to others. Sometimes, of course, I found this annoying. My dad hated the system of tipping, in any context. Now he did tip because he was aware that waitresses were paid such a ridiculously low salary that they needed tips to survive. What he objected to was the entire social construct. He would have much preferred that people were just paid a decent wage, that there was a price on the menu and that was that. He didn't have a problem with charity, when freely given. His issue was with when that "charity" was forcibly taken from you by the government.

Now I could label my father with many adjectives but "radical" and "fringe" would never be among them. Yet many of the political and economic views he held I now see in the Tea Party movement. And that group is decried as to be so radical that they are dangerous. How is this meme sticking? The basic statement is that the idea that one be free to take care of themselves and their family is dangerous and abnormal. How is such a statement not found immediately laughable?

Yesterday, in Delaware, "radical" upstart O'Donnell won the Republican primary for the Senate race over the GOP-backed Castle. To many Republicans, this was a disaster. You see, O'Donnell polls poorly against the Democratic opponent. To people who's blinders are on, where the only thing that matters is Red vs. Blue and the seat count come Novermber, ideology scarcely matters. O'Donnell just represents one potential failure in trying to turn every blue seat red.

Now I haven't followed the race closely. I don't know exactly what O'Donnell stands for or just how much of a RINO Castle is. What I do know is that I'm tired. I'm one of the independents you see pollsters make reference to. I've never been affiliated with a political party and I can't imagine the circumstances where I would be. What I'm tired of is supporting a candidate that runs on a platform of fiscal responsibility and yet, when elected, starts handing out money with a callous disregard of basic economic principles.

Over at the Corner, there have been some heated discussions back and forth on this very topic. Jonah Goldberg posted some email he received in response to his view that O'Donnell winning was a bad thing. The emails themselves are very good, so go read them. Goldberg seems to get it too, responding with:

By the way, I do agree with the first reader that it is/would be outrageous for the GOP to withhold aid and support for O'Donnell now that she's the nominee. It works both ways. You can't condemn pols like Charlie Crist or Lisa Murkowski for refusing to accept the will of primary voters but then refuse to accept it yourself when things don't go your way. O'Donnell is the Republican nominee and she deserves the support of Republicans, including from Mike Castle.
So far she is only getting half of what she deserves. The NRSC initially (and hastily) announced last night that O'Donnell had no chance of winning and they wouldn't be wasting any money supporting her. That decision seems to have been reversed. Castle, on the other hand, has refused to endorse O'Donnell. Such behavior is a clear indication that we are better off that Mr. Castle lost in the first place... In the original post, Goldberg also had this to say:
When you have an organic grassroots uprising, it's sort of silly to expect that it will make every decision with surgical skill and perfect foresight. Indeed, the attempt to play mincing games of compromise threatens to cool the very passions that have gotten us this far. In this Rush, I think, is basically right.

Would I still prefer it if the tea parties had found a stronger candidate? Of course. Do I think it's better to have a moderate Republican than a liberal Democrat in that seat? Yes (tea partiers certainly understood this with the Scott Brown election).

But I'd rather see the tea parties go too far here and there while shooting for the moon than see them go not far enough everywhere. And I'm glad the message coming out of Delaware to everyone in the tea parties' way, Republican and Democrat alike, is: Watch out.

Indeed.


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Comments (24)

You become radical and frin... (Below threshold)
Roy:

You become radical and fringe when you think differently than 2-1/2 generations of former kids that were brainwashed with liberal crap.

"it's sort of silly to expe... (Below threshold)
alanstorm:

"it's sort of silly to expect that (a grassroots uprising) will make every decision with surgical skill and perfect foresight."

What liberals (and too many Republicans) forget (or never learn) is that established organizations suffer from the same flaw.

Should always shoot for the... (Below threshold)
ron:

Should always shoot for the moon and beyond.

Given what we are going to ... (Below threshold)
John S:

Given what we are going to experience in the next two years, it makes no sense to gain control of the Senate by electing establishment Republicans as corrupt as the Democrats they replace. We need enough Republican gains to freeze the Obama agenda, but nominal Democratic control (and full blame) for the hyperinflation, food and fuel shortages, and widespread starvation to come. Then in 2012, for those of us still alive, we'll get our Tea party president.

"The basic statement is tha... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The basic statement is that the idea that one be free to take care of themselves and their family is dangerous and abnormal."

Yep. Can't generate any dependency with thinking like that.

"The basic statement is tha... (Below threshold)
Hank:

"The basic statement is that the idea that one be free to take care of themselves and their family is dangerous and abnormal."

For socialists, yes. As Garandfan alludes to, people that think this way will do all they can to avoid becoming dependent on anyone, especially the govt.

Secondly, you have to understand that to the professional left, your dad is still suspect since he has succeeded. He has to have done so at someone elses expense. They are there to fix this. They know better, your dad does not.

They're about to find out who really knows best when Nov 2nd comes around.

Real leaders recognize a tr... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Real leaders recognize a true revolt and get out in front of it. The RINO's R US Party is intent upon bringing itself down quickly bt gettig behind it and shooting. What conservative in his right mind will give them their money to play with now?

They won't support (last night) the people's pick? Obama's arrogance at least isn't institutional -the GOP's is -including its far overated guru Karl (wrong again) Rove.

With a non-infinite bag of ... (Below threshold)

With a non-infinite bag of money, the NRSC needs to spend what they have where they think it will do the most good. I realize it's a bit of a catch-22, but until O'Donnell starts polling better, money spent there is wasted. Better they spend it in states where they have a chance of electing a GOP Senator.

And ideology does matter to those you criticize. We just accept that electing 100 conservative Senators isn't in the cards and, as Goldberg put it, unlike DeMint, we know that 40 conservative Senators is good for close to nothing and we know we will get more done with a mushy Republican Senator than a liberal Democrat. Think of how much more of the Obama agenda could have been stopped or watered down if the GOP had 55 Senators the past two years, even if a handful were squishy?

I guess those enthralled with O'Donnell haven't yet realized that life is full of compromises. They're ignorant if they don't realize that and silly if they think O'Donnell has a chance of winning in November.

As much as I'd like her to win, I could make a lot of money betting against her with those who are celebrating her win yesterday. Winning money could take the hurt off knowing that the GOP could have had a majority - and with it, the ability to do a whole lot more to stop Obama - but for the sanctimonious GOP voters in Delaware who gave up a sure thing if favor of someone who isn't likely to come within 10 points of winning in November.

And criticizing Castle for not endorsing O'Donnell? Isn't he making the principled stand you claim to want in a politician? Wouldn't endorsing her, when his views are closer to the Democratic nominee than to hers, be an example of the 'politics as usual' that you profess to hate?

The rino entitlement elitis... (Below threshold)
914:

The rino entitlement elitist arrogance can only be matched by the dems. Pretty much one and the same animal. Well rino's the jig is up. Enjoy your ill gotten pensions you jackals.

The GOP expected and stated... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

The GOP expected and stated clearly that people should just suck it up and support Castle because tactically he stands a better cance of winning. This is with the full knowledge that his vote is half the time with the liberal agenda. It's all about red and blue with them, as you said.

Yet, when "the people" nominated the other candidate based on principle and not party loyalty, the GOP has a hissy fit and says, in effect, "Screw you, this is a one way street."

They STILL don't get it.

I don't know much about O'Donnell but I do know that people are tired of party strong arm tactics like the GOP has displayed. The people are tired of voting for whatever the party hands them and they're exercizing their ability to make their own choices.

And criticizing Castle f... (Below threshold)
Deke:

And criticizing Castle for not endorsing O'Donnell? Isn't he making the principled stand you claim to want in a politician? Wouldn't endorsing her, when his views are closer to the Democratic nominee than to hers, be an example of the 'politics as usual' that you profess to hate?

I think you made the OP's point exactly Steve. Conservatives don't want Democrat Lite, we want clear choices. Like the 1860's and the issue of the exapnsion of slavery, America is again at a crossroads. Do we want a European style Socialist Deocracy or, as originally intended, a Represenative Democracy?

The election of unprincipled RINOS, is like asking a death row inmate whether he'd rather end it quick or have his execution linger over several weeks, both ways he ends up dead, one just takes longer than the other.

I like white castle but in ... (Below threshold)
914:

I like white castle but in this case I am glad it is closed for business.

Deke: It's not fair to labe... (Below threshold)

Deke: It's not fair to label RINOs as unprincipled; their principles may not be the same as ours but they do have them.

And you make my point: the issue isn't whether conservatives want Democratic lite, but rather whether we will accept Democratic lite when a solid conservative can't win in a particular state. I still haven't anyone explain why it would be worse for conservatives if Castle was the Senator than the far more liberal Democrat.

As I posted last night, how happy are you all going to be in November when the Democrats maintain control of the Senate by the one seat?

Per the cliche, elections have consequences and one such consequence of yesterday is that the Democrats hold the Senate. Obama will be able to push through more of his agenda than he could if the GOP had control (would a GOP Majority Leader have played the parliamentary games that Reid did to get Obamacare passed?) and every single person who gets screwed by whatever Obama does over the next two years with the support of a Democratic Senate can thank the 30,000 GOP voters in Delaware who failed to grasp the big picture.

"As I posted last night,... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"As I posted last night, how happy are you all going to be in November when the Democrats maintain control of the Senate by the one seat?"

You're assuming that ALL Democrats, especially after the last year and more of rowdy townhall meetings, other election upsets and huge displays of restlessness among the natives gathering in gigantic numbers in Washington and elsewhere, will be voting in lock step.

All we have to do is peel away a couple Dems for votes. That seems to have been an awful lot easier (and infinitely more satisfying) than trying to get another Specter to act like a conservative.

Re: "As I posted last night... (Below threshold)
Hank:

Re: "As I posted last night, how happy are you all going to be in November when the Democrats maintain control of the Senate by the one seat?"

If last year someone had claimed that we had the chance to be one seat short of controlling the senate this autumn, I'd have thought they were insane. So really, I'm fine with that.

And as Oyster mentions, I have a feeling that keeping all the dems in line after the bloodbath is going to be rather difficult for Reid and Obama.
Hell, they couldn't even do it with 60 members.

Besides, if the dems do maintain a one seat advantage in the senate, then that only leaves the House for Obama to whine about.

AFAIK, the only evidence Ca... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

AFAIK, the only evidence Castle isn't going to endorse is the anonymous source quoted by some reporter.

Just like the only evidence NRSC was going to withhold help from O'Donnell was an anonymous source last night. Actually, even that report just said she needed to show some poll strength first, which would be prudent with limited funds to give out.

Before I believe something is true and decide get worked up about it, I want somebody to put their name on the statement.

All we have to do is pee... (Below threshold)

All we have to do is peel away a couple Dems for votes. That seems to have been an awful lot easier (and infinitely more satisfying) than trying to get another Specter to act like a conservative.

Oyster: no offense, but that doesn't pass the smell test. It is much easier to hold the line with Senators of your own party than it is to get defectors from the other side. If nothing else, the Democrats can't threaten Republican Senators with a loss of their committee seats as they can with their own Senators.

You're assuming that ALL Democrats, especially after the last year and more of rowdy townhall meetings, other election upsets and huge displays of restlessness among the natives gathering in gigantic numbers in Washington and elsewhere, will be voting in lock step.

Yes I am. Any Democrat who survives November is a lock for re-election in 2012. And the Senate Democrats who are up in 2012 who might feel pressure to not toe the party line will be offset by the Democrat Senators who won re-election in 2010 and thus don't have to worry about the voters for another six years.

When Did Being My Father... (Below threshold)

When Did Being My Father Become Radical and Fringe?

Somewhere around the end of Bush I's term. That's when the GOP national leadership decided that it was OK (if not mandatory) to not be actually conservative anymore. Which got us the 'congenial' Senators Dole and McCain and a cadre of 'compassionate conservatives' that got some of it right when they had to, but not anywhere near all of it or even most of it.

"Any Democrat who surviv... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Any Democrat who survives November is a lock for re-election in 2012."

I'm not so sure. You have to consider how close some of these races are. Of course it's only a guess given the current climate, but then neither of us knows what will happen in 2012. I gotta tell ya, I think some of these dems are not so willing these days to just vote party lines unthinkingly. I think they've learned that just because it appears that republicans don't have such a big tent or that we may fight amongst ourselves or we don't approve of who the GOP chooses for us that it equates to an approval of the their side. (would that the republicans understand that...)

I'm of the mind that I actually LIKE having a stark contrast of opinions in both houses as long as the numbers are close either way. It's keeps them more honest and more willing to consider both sides. Too many of either party always ends in mass corruption and cronyism.

O'Donnell deserves waht she... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

O'Donnell deserves waht she earns ... she has not earned Castles endorsement with her attacks on him ... he has every reason to NOT endorse her on a personal level until she makes ammends ...
her supporters spread gay rumors about him and she accused him of having her office broken in too ... no, she needs to earn his endorsement because right now she doesn't deserve it on a personal level ...

On a party level, yes he should endorse her ... give him a few days and lets see if he is still holding back ...

#20Who need... (Below threshold)
914:

#20


Who needs the endorsement of a loser? That would be like Barry endorsing himself. A lose lose situation.

Who needs the endorsemen... (Below threshold)

Who needs the endorsement of a loser?

Are you all thinking straight?

Let's start with the winner who needs votes from people who didn't vote for her in the primary? Given the Dem advantage in Delaware, what do you think it will do to her (already slim) chances of winning if the 27,000 or so people who voted for Castle either stay home or, even worse, cross the line to vote for Coons?

And how about mushy middle voters who didn't vote in the GOP primary and are closer in temperament to Castle than to O'Donnell? Don't you think an endorsement from Castle might help in persuading these voters that she isn't really as scary as she's been - and will be - portrayed?

Deke: It's not fair to l... (Below threshold)
Deke:

Deke: It's not fair to label RINOs as unprincipled; their principles may not be the same as ours but they do have them.

Steve, here is where I think your wrong. RINOS and "Moderate" Democrats are what's wrong with Washington, imo. They run in their distrricts as one thing and then go to Washington and govern differently, this is the epitome of no principle.

So what if we win, what does it do? Give McCain a gang of 10 instead of 7, holding up conservative legislation? Giving amnesty to illegals? Another round of bailouts, just a little smaller than the Dem's want?

I'm not saying there shouldn't be compromise on legislation, that's what's intended in our legislature, it's the compromising of principle and the do and say anything to get elected attitude of so many of our politicians that has to stop.

Deke: I still think you've ... (Below threshold)
steve:

Deke: I still think you've gotten it wrong. Castle (to use the current example) never got elected by promising to vote the same way DeMint does, he's always been pretty straightforward about being a squish. McCain has done the two-face, but he's the exception to the rule and, in any event, people know this about him and still re-elect him, so they shouldn't complain.




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