Thanks for the info, I was wondering if it was victims of sexual abuse by priests and their sympathizers.

Hey Gaboob, why kill the pope when they can walk away with a wheel barrow full of cash?

Galoob, you should look at it this way, think how badly these hundreds of serial child-molesting priests and bishops (including the then Pope) who covered up for them, might have behaved, had they been God forbid atheists?

Pope Blasts 'Atheist Extremism' in U.K

Well they won't be released until a formal apology is tendered by the Queen and Prime Minister.

Now now, be tolerant.

They're Muslims.

Hey Gaboob, why kill the pope when they can walk away with a wheel barrow full of cash?

You can't get "a wheelbarrow full of cash" in Europe for injuries, if anything, plus you have to have money to pay a lawyer up-front.

Even so, you might be pissed if a priest cornholed you when you were 13 and the Pope helped to cover it up, even if you got cash.

Cornholing muslims galoob?

Even so, you might be pissed if a priest cornholed you...

Yes. It's much less traumatic to be cornholed by a public educator.

Galoob,

This never happens with Imams?

http://www.thelocal.se/26484/20100506/

Google before you speak.

Galoob,

This never happens with Imams?

http://www.thelocal.se/26484/20100506/

Google before you speak.

Oh, it happens with all religions, men using "the word of God" for their own purposes, but not to the degree as in Roman Catholicism. "Celibacy" attracted a large number of pedophiles to the priesthood, and the entire hierarchy up to the Pope helped to excuse and cover these evil perverts up.

The true irony here, as is the case with any Islamic intention to murder, is that liberal idiots on the Internet won't be able to figure out the irony.

Galoob,

Google before you speak. Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles? I could state that muslims are more likely to be pedophiles and at least have evidence:
http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2010/07/muslim-paedophilia-epidemic-in-punjaband-britain.html

Help us out with proof to back your opinions.

The left loons here are aware that all Muslims view a known pedophile as the perfect example, correct? And because he is the perfect example, he legitimizes pedophilia, right?
So. We have one religion where some malefactors committed a despicable act, and another religion that doesn't even consider the act wrong. And before you start in about how Islam acts toward Homosexuals, you should realize that those punishments are only reserved for adults who engage in that behavior. No only don't the same strictures apply to engaging in those acts with minors, but good Muslim males are also promised boys to go along with those 72 virgins.

Exactly right!! Murder, being fundamental to their "religion", their religious rights have been VIOLATED by those pesky, interfering policemen. I wonder how much the city will be required to PAY them. And, will each be given a rifle and a clear shot as someone HOLDS the Pope?

Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?

In Roman Catholicism there is a hierarchy, and the hierarchy excused and covered-up the perversion. The Pope covered up when he was Archbishop of Munich, as Cardinal Law did in Boston, and other archbishops. If you can't see that as an institutional evil, I don't know what your morals are.

These are good run-downs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Ireland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Boston

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Chicago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_diocese_of_Honolulu

for Galoob

"Google before you speak."

lol, thats akin to libs speaking intelligently without aid of talking points or teleprompters.

Dont happen.

According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers. But, it's much more fashionable to vilify Catholic priests because, well, they're non-union.

According to a draft report commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education, in compliance with the 2002 "No Child Left Behind" act signed into law by President Bush, between 6 percent and 10 percent of public school children across the country have been sexually abused or harassed by school employees and teachers. But, it's much more fashionable to vilify Catholic priests because, well, they're non-union.

So you're taking some liberal-ass money-pimping study by the Department of Education saying that between one out of ten and one out of twelve students has been molested, without more evidence? That's a joke. Any true conservative knows that these "studies" are mostly bullshit meant to extract money or push an agenda.

All I know is that I've seen a hell of a lot more stories about priests being prosecuted by local District Attorneys than public school teachers being prosecuted. And no, I don't count a hot female teacher fucking a 16 year old boy as serious sexual abuse. I count it as "dream come true."

I was expecting to find out that the five were outraged Anglicans, angry at the Pope's refusal to ordain women and especially angry that Delaware, across the pond, had voted for a woman who was anti-Wanker.

WOW, followers of the religion of pieces are planning to kill the POPE and the libs are talking about pedophilia. It's like they have to diminish everything that is posted here. I know Galoob is a useful idiot but I had no idea Steve Crickmore was. I guess I learn something new everyday.

"And no, I don't count a hot female teacher fucking a 16 year old boy as serious sexual abuse. I count it as "dream come true."

Odd. Where it a MALE teacher fucking a 16 year old girl; that you'd have a problem with. Must be more of that 'liberal nuance'.

Galoob,

You said "In Roman Catholicism there is a hierarchy, and the hierarchy excused and covered-up the perversion. The Pope covered up when he was Archbishop of Munich, as Cardinal Law did in Boston, and other archbishops. If you can't see that as an institutional evil, I don't know what your morals are."

I asked, "Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?"

You did not answer the question. I could google "Imam sex abuse" and get more examples - just like you did with "Catholic sex abuse." You did not answer my question or Clay's (#17) statement.

Do you not work well with logic?

Treacher, as usual, nails it with this headline:

"Not all Muslims arrested for plotting to assassinate Pope Benedict XVI"

http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/17/not-all-muslims-arrested-for-plotting-to-assassinate-pope-benedict-xvi/

Odd. Where it a MALE teacher fucking a 16 year old girl; that you'd have a problem with. Must be more of that 'liberal nuance'.

Not odd at all. Of course I think there's a difference. Unlike closet liberals like you, Garand, I think there is a difference between men and women and their roles and duties. Isn't that the conservative position?

I asked, "Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?"

You did not answer the question. I could google "Imam sex abuse" and get more examples - just like you did with "Catholic sex abuse." You did not answer my question or Clay's (#17) statement.

You provided one link from one blog. I provided several links which in turn linked to hundreds of news reports of priests bum-blasting young boys. If you're blind to the truth, that's not my problem, but the Pope and many of his cardinals are proven enablers and excusers of pedophiles.

Here they are again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Australia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Ireland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Canada

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Boston

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_archdiocese_of_Chicago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_Catholic_diocese_of_Honolulu

And no, I don't count a hot female teacher fucking a 16 year old boy as serious sexual abuse. I count it as "dream come true."

Do you think a 16 y/o girl wouldn't dream of being with her 23 y/o male teacher? or even vice - versa? It's up to the adult in the situation to keep control of one's actions.

Galoob,

Repetition does not make logic.

I asked, "Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?"

Since you did not answer that question, I am guessing that you found no evidence to support your position. If you want more time, we will wait.

howcome, we really don't know how serious this latest crackpot threat is? You may be very concerned about this `hare-brained alleged terrorist threat- there are now 6 suspects- but I doubt the Pope is unduly concerned.

He is more worried about the threat of the ordination of women priests, calling it "a grave crime". As for priest pedophilia, it is the main talking point for the Pope`s visit to Britain at the moment. Another confirmed, just not alleged report just came out this week

Harrowing details of some 300 cases of alleged sexual abuse by Roman Catholic clergy in Belgium have been released by a Church investigator.

Peter Adriaenssens said cases of abuse, mostly involving minors, had been found in nearly every diocese, and 13 alleged victims had committed suicide

The commission found that the level of abuse had declined in the 1980s.

Our correspondent say this is perhaps because by then there were fewer priests and they were less involved in the education system.

The latter is one of the the unattended consequences of religion - and Christianity -`blessed be the children` of Catholism in particular - "being marginalised". I wonder why? This was the lament of the Pope`s speech today at Westminsiter Hall.

Galoob has completely hijacked this thread. The story is about Muslims attempting to assassinate the Pope. Instead Galoob hijacked the thread to equate that to pedophile priests.

galoob, these guys weren't victims of pedophile priests, they were trying to kill the head of the Catholic Church. Can't you spare a little outrage towards them?

I asked, "Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?"

Since you did not answer that question, I am guessing that you found no evidence to support your position. If you want more time, we will wait.

I'll refer to Steve Crickmore's comment and link above for more evidence - "Harrowing details of some 300 cases of alleged sexual abuse by Roman Catholic clergy in Belgium have been released by a Church investigator."

But if you're blind and can't read, all the time in the world would not be enough, right? Keep worshiping that pedophile-enabling Pope, go for it.

Galoob & Mr. Crickmore,

Some evidence that you are misinformed:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/scandal-creates-contempt-for-catholic-clergy/

galoob, these guys weren't victims of pedophile priests, they were trying to kill the head of the Catholic Church. Can't you spare a little outrage towards them?

Not really, because the evidence from the story seems kind of sparse - "Sources said that initial searches had not uncovered any bomb-making or hazardous items." They haven't been charged with anything. A lot of these things have turned out to be nothing, like the guys arrested on the flights a couple of weeks ago. Maybe they were hanging out and someone said "We ought to kill that wanker the Pope."

On the other hand, the Pope is pretty much in the pedophile scandal up to his neck.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/16/world/europe/16church.html?_r=1

So apparently Galoob thinks the pedophilia scandal in the Catholic church gives those Muslim extremists the right to assassinate the pope. See Galoob, others can indulge in non sequitur comments as well as you do

SER, Thank you, I read the article . Most of it seems to reinforce what i had to say:

At the end of 2009, Baylor University released a national study of clergy sexual misconduct with adults that concluded it was more common than previously thought and it occurred across all religions and denominations...(no surprise there)

"They were stupid," said Jesuit priest Thomas J. Reese, Senior Fellow of the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. "The Catholic Church needs to apologize, apologize, apologize. There was no excuse for keeping those guys in ministry."

Many of the posts on this site seem to revolve around extremist followers of 'the religion of peace' Islam. In this case, as far as we know, (which is very little so far) threatening the Pope, who has been warning on this trip about "extremist atheism", (not extremist Islam so much), at the same time having a history of covering up for years, priests who were not just committing sins but "grave crimes", an expression he reserves for the ordination of women priests, but not for child-molesting priests, who drove many to suicide. Don't you see the irony?

Galoob & Mr. Crickmore,

Some evidence that you are misinformed:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/hark/2010/05/25/scandal-creates-contempt-for-catholic-clergy/

What are you, a priest, SER?

Guess what? Opinion in a blog is not "evidence." Especially that writer, who is spinning for the Catholic church.

The writer states that a priest fucking a fourteen year old boy is not a pedophile, because pedophilia is "abusing children before they reach the age of puberty, about 12 or 13."

Then there is this weird smear against Mormons in the piece:

The Boy Scouts of America was recently ordered to pay $18.5 million to a former scout abused by an assistant scoutmaster in 1983, in a case that highlighted the Boy Scout organization's secret files on suspected child molesters. In the 1980s, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was the charter holder for an estimated one-third to one-half of the nation's Boy Scout troops, according to CBS News.

So, because the Mormons support the Boy Scouts, and there were scoutmasters who molested boys, that proves that the Mormons are as bad as the Catholics, and the Catholics no worse than others? Lolllll!

"Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles? "

Haaa-haahaa-haa. What rock have you been living under?

"Do you have evidence that Catholic clergy are more likely to be pedophiles?

"We could take the Pope`s words, when he was the Vatican enforcer in 2002, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

The current Pope was then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In that powerful and influential role he was often referred to as Gods Rottweiler or the Vatican Enforcer. His position as head of the department once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition, placed him in charge of managing and responding to cases of priests who abused children.

More than any other senior church figure apart from the Pope he had both the authority and knowledge to fully appreciate the scale of the problem. Speaking to journalists at a Catholic Congress in Rome he said, "I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower."

"In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type," he said.

That was before research (commissioned by the Church) was carried out by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and found that clerical sexual abuse was "widespread" across the US Catholic Church, affecting some ninety-five percent of dioceses and involving between two and a half and seven percent of all diocesan priests.

That was in 'marginal' Catholic countries. In the Republic Ireland it reached epidemic proportions. "One in four" children have suffered sexual abuse, but not all of from it priests.

Shorter galoob: the Pope had it coming, so shut the fuck up and don't worry about radical Muslims trying to assassinate a head of state and leader of one of the world's largest faiths.

Now that his endorsement of papal assassination is on record, there's absolutely no need to discuss anything else with him. He's said all he has to say.

J.

I never said the Pope should be assassinated.

I suggested that there are victims of abuse who would have a motive.

For me, five years for obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and accessory to rape would be enough.

Galoob,

I am not a priest. I am Catholic and I have four children. It is an opinion article, but does refer to insurers who cover clergy and states the problem is prevalent across denominations. As Clay mentioned previously, there is a greater incidence of pedophilia among public school teachers than clergy. I don't accuse all public school teachers of pedophilia based on that statistic (My mother and wife were both public school teachers).

As for the "because pedophilia is "abusing children before they reach the age of puberty, about 12 or 13" quote, if you use this thing called "google" you can read that the definition of "pedophilia" is sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Puberty is usually reached by age 14. It is evil, but not by definition "pedophilia." So, your point would be?

As for Dane. Why waste my breath? OK, Mr. Intellectual, do you know the meaning of evidence? Do you have evidence that there is a higher incidence of Catholic priests committing crimes of pedophilia or other sexual abuses than Episcopal Priests, Baptist Ministers, Muslim Imams, Lutheran Ministers, Jewish Rabbis, etc. How about Agnostics and Atheists? Is there a higher or lower incidence of pedophilia among religious people?

SER,

First, keep an eye on your kids around church functions and activities.

Second, one commenter to the Denver piece points out the problem with the insurer comments:

To use anecdotal claims made by insurance companies and underwriters is not data, it's anecdotal and it should not be considered evidence and here's why:

Insurance is in the business of spreading risk across many insurers not calculating the risk within one specific religion. If they had data to support this claim, they would be offering it but they obviously don't. What they have is the fact that insurance companies have not assigned a higher rate for liability against sexual misconduct for one religious group over the others.

This could be based on the rate of legal success rather than an even amount of claims from all religions. It also might be due to the fact that that specific underwriter doesn't have an even number of insured from all religions.

This is not science, it's a transparent attempt to whitewash an insidious scandal.

We know that there have been more than 4000 priests accused of misconduct. That's about all we know. We have no more data on other religions at all so the claims made here are nothing more than mere claims.

Galoob,

"We know that there have been more than 4000 priests accused of misconduct. That's about all we know. We have no more data on other religions at all so the claims made here are nothing more than mere claims."

So you lack data to say that Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than clergy of other denominations. That was my point.

SER,

One thing we do know: the Catholic Church as an institution, including the Pope as Archbishop of Munich and several other archbishops, covered it up and enabled the perpetrators by transforming them.

That is radical evil.

I meant transferring, not "transforming."

Ser, just look at Ireland.

Mr. Crickmore,

I have followed the news. I am aware of the points that have been made on this thread. I do believe in punishing the guilty. I do not believe in blaming the group for the actions of some. I do not believe that all Muslims are terrorist, simply because most of the terrorists are Muslims. Although, it appears as though that is the logic that Mr. Galoob would have us follow.

galoob, that you endorsed the assassination of the Pope was a logical conclusion.

Let me sum up:

"A bunch of Muslims were plotting to assassinate the Pope!"

"The Pope is an evil, rotten man. Look at all these links."

At no point did you express any disapproval of the plot, but immediately started attacking the victim. That makes it pretty simple to conclude where your sympathies lie.

If that's not what you intended, then perhaps you should reconsider what you say.

Or someone might help you do so.

J.

Jay, it is early to be ascribing blame about this 'roundup'. It could be almost anything or even more likely nothing.

I don't think it is entirely off topic but when the Pope and his closest advisors, one of whom stated "When you land at Heathrow you think at times you have landed in a Third World country" issue stern warnings about the advance of secularism and atheism, in the decline of morality - the hypocrisy is breathtaking. I haven't heard many stories of leaders in the humanist society abusing children. I have no doubt it is really 'the advance of secularism' that saved Ireland from the sexual abuse of the Catholic priests and the tenacious power Rome had on Ireland.

The Pope should really be inveighing against the Islamification of Europe or the ultra conservatism of his own Church-that makes more sense-rather than reserving the worst place in hell for the Jay Teas of the world, comparing atheists and their ilk, secularists to Nazis, don't you agree?

SER, I hope you don't mind this too much, but you seem like a big man, Here is the provocative Pat Condell tape the Pope needs a miracle.

In fairness, to give Islam equal time to show Pat Condell has no favorites, The trouble with Islam .

Geez - those muslims sure get mad easy, its almost as if it doesn't even matter if you burn a koran or not

Mr. Crickmore,

Is Mr. Condell supposed to be funny?

SER, No, but `The trouble with Islam` I thought was funny! agreeed?

JT, trying to put words in the other person's mouth is the most tired form of arguing.

So the Pope's a "victim?" Of what? Let's see . . .

First, the evidence against these guys is scant so far, so I would withhold judgment. They haven't been charged with anything yet.

Second, yes, I will say that the Pope's an evil, rotten man. His work in covering up and enabling sexual predators is enough to establish that.

Since I am against the death penalty, and extrajudicial killings even more, I don't think the Pope should be killed.

As I said, five years in prison for obstruction of justice, conspiracy and accessory to rape would be enough punishment for him.

In any event, he'll be burning in hell soon enough.

SER, No, but `The trouble with Islam` I thought was funny! agreeed?

I thought it was funny.

Steve, don't stand too close to galoob. Shit splatters when it's hit with a hammer.

As far as the "Jay Teas of the world..." I'm not a militant, radical atheist. They're as much of a cult as some of the religious ones, and can be as dangerous.

The "Jay Teas of the world" are relatively religious-friendly, as long as the religions don't try to convert them, demand they obey the religion's laws and rules and tenets, or commit heinous deeds.

Such as, say, killing in the name of their god. Right now, Islam has that one pretty much sewn up.

J.

galoob, the topic here is "radical Muslims were plotting to assassinate a man who is both 1) the leader of one of the world's most popular and influential religions and B) the head of state of a sovereign nation." What you want to discuss is what you see as the moral failings of the planned victim, and not until prompted did you even mention the planned assassination.

What you're doing now is attempting to reclaim your moral high ground after I cut it out from under you by noting that what you were doing is what is often called "blaming the victim." By talking about how terrible the victim was, you are in essence downplaying the seriousness of the plot by emphasizing how bad a person the victim was, and implying that killing him wouldn't really be such a bad thing.

Oh, I give you credit for being smart enough to only imply that and not say it explicitly, but that's the underlying message -- you have no problem with radical Muslims killing people, as long as it's the "right" people.

But I got your message loud and clear. When the subject first came up, all you could do was immediately spin the conversation to your pet issue, and wrap everyone around that so they wouldn't discuss radical Muslims plotting to kill the leader of the Catholic Church and the head of state of a sovereign nation.

Well played, galoob. Certainly better played than a lot of other trolls we've entertained here. But not well enough.

J.

JT, what kind of rhetorical BS is this? All is it is an interesting view of your biases and blinkered view of the world:

the topic here is "radical Muslims were [allegedly] plotting to assassinate a man who is both 1) the leader of one of the world's most popular and influential religions

So Catholicism is "popular and influential." So what? Islam is in fact more "popular and influential" by numbers of adherents and states controlled. Does not make either of them moral or true.

and B) the head of state of a sovereign nation."

"head of a sovereign nation" BFD. Just like Kim Jong Il, Ahmadinejad, Chavez, Castro, Karimov, Qaddafi, Mugabe, or any number of historical assholes. Again, this alone does not make the Pope worthy of respect in my opinion.

The Pope is to my knowledge not guilty of murder, but the evidence is that he covered up and facilitated the sexual molestation of children by priests, just like Cardinal Law and others in the Catholic hierarchy. That's a serious evil. Why are you giving him a pass?

I just wanted to point that the evidence of the Pope's crimes right now is much greater than the evidence of this conspiracy to kill the Pope.

I just wanted to point that the evidence of the Pope's crimes right now is much greater than the evidence of this conspiracy to kill the Pope.

And you did. Repeatedly. And NOBODY CARED.

We're more concerned about radical Islam as a greater threat, and see this as another example.

You see it as another chance to push your own pet cause.

We're not buying what you're selling.

Have you considered starting your own blog to sell it?

J.

JT, what's with the royal "we?"

It seemed to me that others engaged in a lively discussion about the subject of the Pope, rather than the ritual denunciations of Islam you love so much. Maybe it's because others sense this could turn out to be nothing in a day or two, like so many other "plots."

Just because the comments didn't follow your script, no need to get pissed off.

I would like to point out, all attempts at hijacking with talk about pedophelia aside, that there plot to kill the leader of the largest single Christian denomination by practioners of Islam.

Crickmore, Dane, etc., have, in previous posts, pontificated about out of control radical Christianity and it's penchant for violence and these bigoted, Islamophobic, racist Christians overwhelming desire to see a holy war.

I'm waiting on the MSM to show the protests of 10's of thousands, the burning of Mosques in the Western, or hell Eastern countries where Muslims are in the minority, the threats and chants of "Death to Islam!"

Could it be, perhaps, that our Culture, our faith and tolerance is truly on display? Could it be that ignorance and violence is the true defining aspect of Islam?

You guys are such Hate America and the West first you don't even realize when you fail? Have you nothing left but to turn on the victim?

Funny thing ... The last time someone tried to assassinate the Pope, the perpetrator was an adherent of the Religion of Peace, too.

Must be a coincidence. Nearly as big a coincidence as nineteen adherents of the Religion of Peace all deciding to go on airplane trips on the same day, and taking boxcutter knives with them just in case a need arose. Those wacky Moslems!

.

Jay, might be trying to tell us we should shocked by possible isolated threats to the Pope`s life from Muslims working as dustman, but I am more interested as to what goes on within the Vatican.

I can't claim any expertise in this matter, but the persistent covering up of pediophile priests may throw some light and credence on the supposed murder of Pope John 1 by Cardinal Villot and the Italian Mafia Masons in 1978, after being Pope for only a little over a month.

It is then that Albino Luciani, (Pope John I)"God's candidate", elected by the conclave, arrived on the scene. At all costs he had to be prevented from «digging into the bank». «When the Cardinals elected Albino Luciani to the Papacy on that hot August day in 1978 they set an honest, holy, totally incorruptible Pope on a collision course with Vatican Incorporated. The irresistible market forces of the Vatican Bank, APSA and the other money-making elements were about to be met by the immovable integrity of Albino Luciani.» Among those money-making elements were Cardinal Villot and Bishop Marcinkus, accomplices of Michele Sindona and Roberto Calvi, all members or associates of the P2 Lodge, and their protector Licio Gelli its Grand Master.

Of course, there was no autopsy. One wonders how much religion has anything to do with any the Byztanine intrigues of the Papacy, the Vatican officials and Cardinals. The enemy of creeping secularism is the only thing that seems to unite them,It is a threat to their power that and the desire to be one of the richest coporations in the world. It certainly wasn't the welfare of childern in their care.

Of course your more interested in conspiracy theory and obstification of the subject of the post. It's a simple matter of you have no leg to stand on to back up the vitriol against "radical" Christianitym Hey when all else fails, fall back on Novels and Tom Hanks adaptations.

Deke, it seems Christianity, the Crucification was founded on a conspiracy between Romans and Jews or do you believe that was fiction too, or is that the one conspiracy theory you accept?

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Liberal Denial Syndrome! In all its horrific glory!

Witness the contortions and convolutions they will go to in order to avoid engaging in blasphemy -- the notion that the Pope might be a victim, or that nearly all the religiously-motivated killings and attempted killings going on today are done by devout followers of Allah. Marvel at the diversions, obfuscations, and deceptions they will use to twist the topic to their own prejudices! And be astonished at their ability to not only ignore the elephant in the room, but to persuade others -- even those being sat upon by the elephant -- that there is no elephant!

Beware -- this exhibit is NOT for the young or the faint of heart.

J.

Shorter Steve Crickmore:

"Hey, look over there! Papists!"

Members of a violent pagan barbaric cult, a follower of which already attempted to kill the last Pope, are still plotting to kill the Pope. Surprise! - And yes, I know the KGB was behind the first plot, but the pagan didn't know that.

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The leftist terrorist sympathizers are just trolling to divert the discussion away from their favorite people in the world - whoever represents the biggest threat to America, Christianity, and Capitalism at the moment. Quite predictable.

We are all guests on Kevin's property, so his rules apply, and he is an extremely tolerant guy. But if memory serves correctly, the reasoning behind his tolerance favors the freest possible exchange of ideas. Sometimes, though, being tolerant of disruption and diversion actually reduces the opportunity for free exchange.

In such cases Kevin remains aloof in his office in the penthouse suite of the Wizbang skyscraper and sends out his leg-breaking thug to do the dirty work.

So galoob, if you're ever walking alone on a dark and deserted street at night, and you begin to hear the echo of another set of heavy footsteps behind you, accented by the occasional muffled quack of a stuffed duck, be afraid. Be very afraid.

Galoob said -

"For me, five years for obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and accessory to rape would be enough."

Just for a second there I thought you were talking about the current administration - Obama, Pelosi & company.

An AP investigation in which reporters sought disciplinary records in all 50 states and the District of Columbia resulted in an unprecedented national look at the scope of sex offenses by educators--the very definition of breach of trust.

The seven-month investigation found 2,570 educators whose teaching credentials were revoked, denied, surrendered or sanctioned from 2001 through 2005 following allegations of sexual misconduct.

The findings draw obvious comparisons to sex abuse scandals in other institutions, among them the Roman Catholic Church. A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002.

And no, I don't count a hot female teacher fucking a 16 year old boy as serious sexual abuse. I count it as "dream come true."

And with these words you have demonstrated your abject ignorance and appalling bigotry. I'm disgusted by your profane euphemism for a traumatic betrayal of trust -- regardless of the child's gender. I pity your children for the risk you pose to them on so many levels.

Of course, all of this distracts from the fact that a cadre of the world's most rapid-growing cancer conspired to take the life of Catholicism's leader. This presents a clear demonstration of how sick is this so-called religion of peace. And if the press were as adamant about cutting out this cancer as they are at exposing Catholic priests, this problem would soon be eliminated by forcing Islam to rethink its extremism. But alas, the mainstream media have exposed themselves as another form of cancer.

Obviously, I came in after the brawl has concluded. Just two questions. If I'm a bigoted, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing Islamophobe for noticing that the vast majority of violent terrorists acts are performed by followers of the "religion of peace" who are in a seemingly never-ending state of rage, what are Steve Crickmore and galoob when trying to deflect attention away from that subject by ranting about Catholics? Bigoted, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathing Catholophobes?

Walter:

Haters gotta hate.

J.

There is another difference when trying to argue the moral equivalence between the Catholic Church and Islam. The Catholic Church was obviously ashamed of the child molestation that had happened. While not in the church's name, the child molestation certainly occured under the church's watch. Indeed, the church was so ashamed, it tried to cover it up, a sin, if you will, almost as bad as the molestation. There were no parishioners running through the streets of America cheering: "sex offenses against children - ULULULULULUL!" When forced to face the problem - by its own followers - the Church has taken action against those who perpetrated the molestation.
Contrast that with the "religion of perpetual rageaholics" and its response to terrorists acts done in its name. No one "forced" its adherents to face their problem. They were in the streets proudly proclaiming what they did, promising more, and keeping their promise. There has been no overwhelming revulsion and condemnation in the majority of the Islamic community over what has been done in Allah's name - no general clamoring for the expulsion and prosecution of the perpetrators. In fact, depending on which polls you believe, the majority of Muslims support the terrorist acts. Sorry, there simply isn't any comparison between the two religions and their values concerning what constitutes right and wrong.

"So galoob, if you're ever walking alone on a dark and deserted street at night, and you begin to hear the echo of another set of heavy footsteps behind you, accented by the occasional muffled quack of a stuffed duck, be afraid. Be very afraid."

Whatever makes you feel like you have a pair, Addison.

And no, I don't count a hot female teacher fucking a 16 year old boy as serious sexual abuse. I count it as "dream come true."

And with these words you have demonstrated your abject ignorance and appalling bigotry. I'm disgusted by your profane euphemism for a traumatic betrayal of trust -- regardless of the child's gender. I pity your children for the risk you pose to them on so many levels.

I pity your children, if you could engage in the profane acts necessary to create them, for the risk of sanctimony you pose to them.

Dane, Addison ain't the dude with the duck...

J.

No shit sherlock. That just makes his hollow threats that much more laughable.

"If you evul libruls don't stop making me mad, well, I'm gonna tell my mommy and then you'll be sorry!"

What a joke.

dane2 (and that is a very ill-advised sobriquet), Addison wasn't threatening you. He was warning you.

It was a kind gesture on his part. You should thank him.

J.

The Pope asked the congregation to show concern for victims of child abuse
Pope Benedict XVI has expressed his "deep sorrow" for the "unspeakable crimes" of child abuse within the Catholic Church.

(meanwhile) detectives have interviewed the men and believe there was "no credible threat" to the Pope.

The street cleaners for Veolia Environment Services, a cleaning company working for Westminster Council, were arrested on Friday after being overheard in the works canteen apparently plotting an attack.

Police have refused to confirm reports that they were joking, and say they had to investigate what might have been a genuine threat.

I am not an editor in wizbang but it makes more sense to me (and the Pope), to emphasize and talk about "real incidents of unspeakable crimes"

I suppose the BBC and the Pope must have missed the the main talking point of his visit.

Galoob and me, were trying to hold most of you back from rushing to judgment, but to no avail. Who knows these dustmen may have been Brazilians, again?

Oh it gets better than that, Steve:

The guys have been freed!

Six men arrested on suspicion of being terrorists during Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the United Kingdom have been freed without charges, Scotland Yard spokesman Alan Crockford said Sunday morning.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/18/men-arrested-in-pope-plot-released-police-say/?hpt=T2

As you and I suspected, this turned out to be nothing. And they were so mad we disrupted their little Two Minutes Hate by pointing out the crimes of the Catholic Church.

How many muslim imams have taken advantage of children for their own purposes? If you are going to rationalize the plot against the Pope by acts of clergy over whom he didn't have control, then you are going to have to also tar the acts of muslim clergy for the acts of their potential assassin charges (itself a muslim term for jihadis who built up their courage to murder through the use of hashish). You have to tar the muslim clergy with their glorification of pedophilia of their high ranking prophets and imams too. You have to tar the entire US educational establishment with its handling of student misconduct and since the US educational establishment is LIBERAL, you would have to tar liberals with condoning such sexual abusive behavior.

Except that, apparently, there WAS no plot against the Pope, genius.

I heard the "plot" consisted of a plan to scrawl a backwards B into the popes cheek.