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Did you know Mexicans were in America before Americans were?

No?  Perhaps you should talk to the President:

"Long before America was even an idea, this land of plenty was home to many peoples. The British and French, the Dutch and Spanish, to Mexicans, to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land," President Obama told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.

For those not following... we became Americans in 1776.

Mexicans became Mexicans in 1821.

The question now is... when did Obama begin to say anything that might win him votes?


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Oh, come on. The Mexicans ... (Below threshold)
Walter Cronanty:

Oh, come on. The Mexicans were already in the 55th state by 1776.
On a serious note, is he trying to set up amnesty for illegal Mexicans with the logic of, you know, Mexicans were here, then left, so we should let them back in as if they never left? What is he trying to say with this inane, on many levels, statement?

Socialists have their own v... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Socialists have their own version of history.

I'm surprised Barry doesn't also repeat the stupid mantra "We didn't cross the border, the border crossed us!"

Which would only make sense if you were 157 years old, seeing as the Gadsden Purchase, establishing the southern US border with Mexico occurred June 24, 1853.

And there wasn't very much ... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

And there wasn't very much "sharing" going on between Americans and Mexicans after America became an idea and Mexicans became Mexicans.

Perhaps Obama didn't get much schooling on things like the Texas Revolution and the Mexican-American War. As grade school children in America, we learned about the Alamo. As a grade school student in Jakarta, Obama was learning the Muslim call to prayer.

Obama, dude, keep it up! Y... (Below threshold)
Dan Quayle:

Obama, dude, keep it up! You are making me look more brilliant day by day!

The question now is... when... (Below threshold)
LiberalNitemare:

The question now is... when did Obama begin to say anything that might win him votes?

The real question is when has he ever said anything else?

"...Mexicans were here, ... (Below threshold)
John S:

"...Mexicans were here, then left, so we should let them back in as if they never left?"

Nah, give California (and Nancy Pelosi) back to Mexico. The country is better off without. And then we'll sell the water that California currently steals from the Colorado to the Mexicans as they look after the lawns.

Obama seems to suffer from ... (Below threshold)
Sir Toby Belch:

Obama seems to suffer from zapata-in-mouth
disease.....along with all his other ailments.

That TelePrompTer has quite... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

That TelePrompTer has quite a sense of humor.

"Did you know M... (Below threshold)
914:

"Did you know Mexicans were in America before Americans were?"

Barrys knowledge of history is astounding.

Welcome to the United 57 States of Mexi-America


The dumbing down continues ... (Below threshold)
914:

The dumbing down continues unabated. Im embarrased for him.

That jug-eared adolescent w... (Below threshold)
moseby:

That jug-eared adolescent will say anything and nothing, anytime and always....jeez!! He's the king of gibberish!!!

Bruce, oh Bruce! Wherefore... (Below threshold)
epador:

Bruce, oh Bruce! Wherefore art thou not posting a comment yet?

do they speak Austrian ther... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

do they speak Austrian there ?

The British and French, ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

The British and French, the Dutch and Spanish, to Mexicans, to countless Indian tribes. We all shared the same land...

By "share" does Obama mean:

--The French and Indian War
--The Seven Years' War (betw: the Brits and French, part of which took place on North American soil)
--Numerous bloody encounters between colonists and "countless Indian tribes."
--King Philp's War betw. the Dutch and colonists and Indians

Hmm, that's not how my parents taught me to share. But maybe that's just me.

And to think, those took all of about 5 minutes to look up. But I guess history is hard to look up when you're busy trying to revise it, I suppose.

Now back to your regularly scheduled pandering to Hispanics by The President!

I'm waiting for the east co... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

I'm waiting for the east coast media intelligentsia to pounce on Barry's stupidity. But on second thought, those 'intelligent' people probably agree with him.

Boy, I'm sure Native Americ... (Below threshold)
SpideyTerry:

Boy, I'm sure Native American groups will love this.

...What a maroon.

Oh for the days when "nooku... (Below threshold)
914:

Oh for the days when "nookuler" was considered a sign of lower intelligence.

Where hav... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Where have you been Rick? Mexico as a Republic to much fanfare, is celebrating its bicentenial this year. But the identifiable name Mexico for Mexicans is older as Obama alluded to, older than America for Americans of the colonies of `North America, not New France or Upper and Lower Canada. From Wikipedia:


When the Spanish conquistadors besieged México-Tenochtitlan in 1521, it was almost completely destroyed. It was rebuilt during the following three years, after which it was designated as a municipality and capital of the vice-royalty of New Spain. In 1524 the municipality of Mexico City was established, known as México Tenustitlan, and as of 1585 became officially known simply Ciudad de México.[1] Mexico was used only to refer to the city, and later to a province within New Spain. It was not until the independence of the vice-royalty of New Spain that "Mexico" became the traditional and conventional short-form name of the country.

Whatever its meanings, the name America filled a need. By the middle of the 16th century it had caught on, and mapmakers were using it to define not only South but North America.

And as for Texas...<blockqu... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

And as for Texas...

The Republic of Texas was created from part of the Mexican state Coahuila y Tejas as a result of the Texas Revolution. Mexico was in turmoil as leaders attempted to determine an optimal form of government. In 1835, when President Antonio López de Santa Anna abolished the Constitution of 1824, granting himself enormous powers over the government, wary colonists in Texas began forming Committees of Correspondence and Safety.

Ah.Here come the convolut... (Below threshold)
LeBron Steinman:

Ah.Here come the convoluted ,"Twister"-like defenses of Obumble's stupidity from the lefties,much in the fashion of those pathetically tortured ones offered after his notorious "the cops acted stupidly" remark.
(Which resulted in his handlers deciding that he should only have press conferences at every return of Halley's comet.)

He's just speaking to his b... (Below threshold)
JJ:

He's just speaking to his base, as always. You know..those who voted for him because they believed anything he said; those who voted him for the ObamaMoney; those who were swayed by the glitz, the Grecian columns, the oceans falling; those who bestowed the Noble Prize on him not for anything he'd done, but for his "potential." You know...those who don't/won't think for themselves. Those who want someone to feed them the "truth" because they're too busy being entitled and watching Oprah and Jerry Springer to pull aside the curtain.


There's not 57 states? There weren't Mexicans living here before America was a dream? America isn't a Muslim nation? George Bush didn't give the middle class tax cuts? LIES, all LIES! These things are true because Dear Leader deems them true!

If you listen to Obama`s ac... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

If you listen to Obama`s actual words to his Hispanic audience, which would take 10 seconds, that is probably beyond your capabilities, so great is your hate and bigotry but Obama doesn't say "Mexicans" he says "mexican"; there is a distinction, one is an adjective as opposed to a nationality? Do conservatives ever do the slightest empirical research? any? or is that what makes them conservative ?

How else would one describe that part of the world from the 16th century to the September 16th 1810, before they became Mexicans.

Obama`s lumping so many peoples in the New World is a little clumsy, but the audience here seems to take pride in the malapropisms of Bush and Palin, while at the same time censuring Obama for something he did't say.

A few days ago it was a non-existent terrorist plot on the Pope that sparked whole scale rages on Muslims. Basically this site, when Rick is posting is one Ox Bow incident after another.

I listened when this was fi... (Below threshold)
epador:

I listened when this was first posted, Steve, and I guess I am still a hateful homo bigot, because I am not buying your apologia.

Steve c: "A few days ago it... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Steve c: "A few days ago it was a non-existent terrorist plot on the Pope that sparked whole scale rages on Muslims."

Wow.

"whole scale rages"

"Whole". "Scale". "Rages".

wow.

So, how many mosques were burned to the ground?

How many muslims were killed?

How many muslims were attacked?

How many muslims had "fatwas" placed on their heads?

Wassat? Zero you say? Really? How can that be?

After all, there were "whole scale rages" going on!

"Whole scale rages"!!

The body count must be huge!

Once again, li'l stevie crickmore (like all lefties), take time out from their busy schedule of defending actual murderous islamic radical activities to utter harsh comments against those who would never stoop to the same level as li'l stevie's radical islamist political allies.

Epador, congratulations on ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Epador, congratulations on listening to that snippet,-which is more than real clear politics did who couldn't even give an accurate rendition. Here is the complete speech.

Obama obviously is a little tired? And how many times can you say Hispanic community/ latinos? latinas. The edited part of his speech which he was talking about peoples becoming one people to accomodate all are people is part his signature larger theme of the American dream.


"There is no us and them, There is only one America. There is no black america, there is no latino america, there is only the United Sates of America.."


The Hispanics are far away are biggest emerging ethnic group, but I can`t see the GOP appealing to them when most of you mock them. The GOP will have to appeal to their base of wackos and the crazies for six months to choose a nominee in their winner take all primaries, which skews the results.

I remember the last time all eight or nine of the GOP candidates unamiously were adamant against repealing "don't ask don't tell," which anyone under the age of 25 knows it is completely ludicrous. guess I am still a hateful homo bigot

It is curious who the GOP end up with after they devour one another in 2012, Romney, Palin, Huckabee, Scott Brown? Good luck!

Drago, there is a time and ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Drago, there is a time and place for everything. There are enough real outrages committed by the lunatic extremist Muslim fringe without getting the vapors when some dustman are overheard in a canteen supposedly just joking.

Anyway it provided us with opportunity to talk about the Pope`s visit.

crickmore: "There are enoug... (Below threshold)
Drago:

crickmore: "There are enough real outrages committed by the lunatic extremist Muslim fringe without getting the vapors when some dustman are overheard in a canteen supposedly just joking."

Wow.

Seriously?

This is what you come back with after you say this: (crickmore):"A few days ago it was a non-existent terrorist plot on the Pope that sparked whole scale rages on Muslims."

Again: define "whole scale rage on muslims"

Define it.

Elaborate on that.

Tell us about this dark time in our nations history.

Or were you just getting "the vapors" because your radical-islamist political allies were subject to a few first-amendment allowed criticisms on a few blogs?

It's not a stretch to believe that some of your radical islamist supremacist pals are gunning for the Pope given the number of Nuns and other Catholic church members, Christian adults and Christian school children that have been murdered all over the world by some of your radical islamist supremacist pals.

Hey, you know who no longer gets "the vapors" over "some dustmen" who are "overheard just joking" about killing some non-Muslim?

Theo Van Gogh.

One of the perils of being ... (Below threshold)

One of the perils of being as profoundly ignorant as is the sail-eared simpleton -- or as much the foreigner as he (who entered college an Indonesian, and came out a natural born American) -- is to have no feel for or any sense of America's history. Or even any idea of how many states (according to him 57-going-on-58) comprise our beloved fraternal republic.

And then there is that -- both incoherent AND illiterate in Bahasa Indonesia, Swahili, Arabic and English -- he was probably shunted into the Austrian Lingo Stream??

Don't you people realize Ba... (Below threshold)
Joel:

Don't you people realize Barry is NOT speaking to (conservatives) you. When he speaks, he is talking to liberals/socialists.

He doesn't give a rat's @ss about conservatives or republicans.

And his wife is even worse...

Why bother wasting words on... (Below threshold)
rich K:

Why bother wasting words on ObeGone kissing someones ass. Its his stock in trade and all he knows.
Applies to 90% of pols frankly.

We Americans need to throw ... (Below threshold)
Vinny concepcion:

We Americans need to throw these people out of office and very very soon or our country is going to fall behind countries like Kenya or Venezuela, or Pakistan, or any other third world country shit hole out there full of corruption. It is our responsability if we want to save this country from destruction from within....

PS: Can you hear the Chinese and Russians loughing of us?

No reference to africans? ... (Below threshold)
Matt:

No reference to africans? They did as much to build this country as the mexicans. Why no chinese, or irish? The transcontinental railroad was basically built by them you know.

Crickmore You can't ... (Below threshold)
Wayne:

Crickmore
You can't have it both ways. If you want to assume that Obama is referring to America as meaning the U.S. then to be consistent Mexicans would need to mean citizens of country of Mexico, in which case Obama is wrong. To go your way as using any name reference to Mexico or America. He would be wrong once again since the reference to America exist long before Mexico.

Obama certainly was wrong in trying to make it sound like all those groups "shared" the land peacefully. The Indian tribes themselves fought and killed each other as did the Aztecs, Mayans, etc.

Wayne, the edited version... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Wayne, the edited version cut out what Obama said next" We all shared the same land. We didn't always get along". and again, Obama never said "Mexicans", he said mexican.




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