It's the return of the 60's... but from the opposite direction.

So we'll be going back to Jim Crow, women in subordinate positions to men, homosexuals in jail, and censorship?

Big difference: people now have jobs, and use the money they earn to buy soap and deodorant.

galoob - you know damn well that's not what he's talking about - NO conservative is. But hey, libs get their jollies repeating that idiotic stupidity; so, please continue.

Or do you just like being a contrarian ass?

galoob - you know damn well that's not what he's talking about - NO conservative is. But hey, libs get their jollies repeating that idiotic stupidity; so, please continue.

If I look at Christine O'Donnell and what she says are her positions on sex, if I look at Mark Williams and what he has said about race, I'm not sure that the Tea Party does not want to roll back a lot of the 60s, culturally as well as governmentally.

One difference is that the Tea Partiers look pretty old compared to 60s protesters- they might have been around in the 60s themselves. I haven't seen too many Tea Party uprisings on campuses, have you?

Or do you just like being a contrarian ass?

Yes.

Galoob,

"So we'll be going back to Jim Crow, women in subordinate positions to men, homosexuals in jail, and censorship?"

If you cross out "Jim Crow" and replace it with "Dhimmitude," you have identified any Muslim country on the planet!

Galoob, has O'Donnell ever once said that she wants to put the full force of the law behind her personal beliefs?

Of course not.

Neither did Palin, nor did Mitt Romney.

But that doesn't matter to you, does it? Because the mere fact that they have differing beliefs means that they would do what you would do if you had the chance -- make your own ideas of "right" and "wrong" the law of the land.

It's called "projection," you dolt.

Stop being such a shill for The Man.

J.

Jay, I do see some parallel points in the two seemingly disparate dissident movements.

And I hope you are right with the same electoral results for President.

Presidential election of 1972, popular vote 60.7% Richard Milhous Nixon Republican California, electoral vote 520,
George McGovern Democratic South Dakota, 37.5% popular vote electoral vote 17.

You're overdriving your headlights, Steve. You're focused on the White House. I'm talking the overall direction of the country.

And Nixon was one of the most liberal Republicans ever to hold the Oval Office.

J.

Nixon was also thin-skinned and bad tempered. Yet another parallel to today.

They probably will win many seats in the Congress, but have you thought it through. Obama, can them blame a deadlock on the gridlock of Congress or a Republican House. And the tea party can continue unblemished until the national spotlight of 2012 forces them into serious debate,(presumbably they wiil have to by now) especially on social issues where in my mind they are hopelessly out of touch.

galoob : 'So we'll be going back to Jim Crow, women in subordinate positions to men, homosexuals in jail, and censorship?'

The only people who believe this are those who think the MSM 'report' the news as opposed to repeating memes.

"So we'll be going back to Jim Crow, women in subordinate positions to men, homosexuals in jail, and censorship?"

If you cross out "Jim Crow" and replace it with "Dhimmitude," you have identified any Muslim country on the planet!

Well played SER.

I was in college from 1967-1971 and went to Washington to protest. I have been to the last 2 9/12 demonstrations in D.C. to protest. The Tea Partiers are the same people just older and wiser.

especially on social issues where in my mind they are hopelessly out of touch.

Of course, on social issues they're solidly in the 60-70% range nationally, which simply proves that, since you're "hopelessly out of touch" with 60-70% of the country, you're the one with the problem.

Damn,

Did I just miss Woodstock? Again?
(Beck on the Mall)

Oh poot. I'm just old enough to remember Nixon desperately trying to seem relevant, and so he showed up on popular liberal shows like "Laugh In".

In today's context, that means Barack will be pushing for face time on Hannity, NASCAR on Fox, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader the President?

Dang, wish del worked on the comments.

Second thought - young innner-city black kids confront their homies:

"I've decided to become a Mormon, Jim's joining the Marines, and Martin is becoming a CPA. Gangs are for losers, chicks dig men with a future."

Tea-partiers gone wild:

See that girl?
You thinking what I'm thinking?
Yeah - I'm going to marry her and start a family!

I was in college from 1967-1971 and went to Washington to protest. I have been to the last 2 9/12 demonstrations in D.C. to protest. The Tea Partiers are the same people just older and wiser.

One point of similarity is that the spoiled children of the Baby Boom have always been self-indulgent and want something for nothing.

It was true of the draft-dodgers and pot-smokers and it's true of the now-senior citizens who want services and Social Security (and wars) but don't want to pay any taxes.

It's all about them.

"In today's context, that means Barack will be pushing for face time on Hannity, NASCAR on Fox, and Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader the President?" DJ

I'd hate to have a pre-race show messed up by his appearance, BUT I'm confident even I'd feel uncomfortable for the man if old stiff and starchy Obama showed up at a NASCAR race and tried to appear relevant. "Uhhh, I drove fast once. When I was, uhhh, a kid. It was fun. This is fun. Which peddle makes it go faster?"

"It was true of the draft-dodgers and pot-smokers and it's true of the now-senior citizens who want services and Social Security (and wars) but don't want to pay any taxes."
I would venture to guess that the "Boomers" being, the wealthier segment of the population, are probably many of the 53%, paying all the taxes.

"It was true of the draft-dodgers and pot-smokers and it's true of the now-senior citizens who want services and Social Security (and wars) but don't want to pay any taxes."
Im sure all those seniors payed thier share of taxes over the years and deserve a return on thier money Galoob... With your boy all they will get is sour grapes and a death panel.

Good job.

My movement was swept aside by the brain dead hippies of the 60's. My movement was rocket ships to the moon, fabulous American movies in icy cold air conditioned theaters and computers that you could carry on your wrist and clean water and air and nuclear powered cars that were shiny and fast. My movement was all about the brilliance and technological future of America, the shining city on the hill.

My generation wasn't even born in the 60's. We had to grow up and learn what could have been, and now we're going to tear down the shabby world that the leftists built and we're going to go forward the way we should have done, leaving the socialists and communists in the dust.

That's what Jay's talking about. That's what I'm talking about! Onward, upward, to victory!

I said this prior, that the upcoming election is going to leave the left dazed,uncomprehending, and grasping for answers.

I agree with most of your thesis, Jay--we differ only in the SCOPE. It is a movement for change, back to a different America,where all the values we've espoused are re-invigorated.

And I've yet to see anyone on the left grasp the enormity of what's going to happen.

J, can you run a seperate thread for dolts? Galoob is feeling a little hopeless drowning in common sense.

Maybe a thread on Barney the purple dinosaurs greatest hits or something to make him feel more at ease.

Frazetta_girl,
You go girl!

Galoob, all you need to do to realize how very wrong you are, is to ask yourself - just once, seriously ask yourself why Sarah Palin is still so important to so many Americans?

She's not an elected official of any kind anymore.

She's not running for office (unlike someone I could name who is drowing in a hole above his "pay grade", she understands her limits as well as her abilities).

She's not directly aligned with the Republicans or any national coalition; her Tea Party appearances have been at the invitation of local groups and she has focused on ideals and values, not any key issue.

Yet millions of Americans follow her every move, and even her enemies in the media consider her a person they must watch.

If you would understand the Tea Party, you need to stop and make an honest attempt to understand the causes and ideals that drive it. Stay in denial, and you'll just give yourself an ulcer.

Galoob, has O'Donnell ever once said that she wants to put the full force of the law behind her personal beliefs?

Of course not.

Neither did Palin, nor did Mitt Romney.

I didn't know Mitt Romney had any personal beliefs, what's he saying today? Palin, like O'Donnell, is a photogenic opportunist riding the right-wing wave. I doubt either have any beliefs not calculated to get them on TV and make them money.

JT, your question has me perplexed, though. Are you saying that a candidate's position against masturbation or fornication is not indicative of her positions on contraception and censorship? We know she's against abortion, how does she propose to stop it?

Krugman nails it (as usual):

These are terrible times for many people in this country. Poverty, especially acute poverty, has soared in the economic slump; millions of people have lost their homes. Young people can't find jobs; laid-off 50-somethings fear that they'll never work again.

Yet if you want to find real political rage -- the kind of rage that makes people compare President Obama to Hitler, or accuse him of treason -- you won't find it among these suffering Americans. You'll find it instead among the very privileged, people who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their health insurance, but who are outraged, outraged, at the thought of paying modestly higher taxes.

White Americans rise up in arms and take back this country --- from the non-whites and the non-white sympathizers!

Is Dane Galooba's half cousin?

Kurgman once again looks in the mirror and projects.

I keep waiting for the priviledges to start flowing in because of my white skin. Been waiting for 40+ years. But hey, hey, what's my modest 5-figure income when compared to the millions of Krugman, or Je$$ie Jack$on, Bull Horn Sharpton, Kanye West, the NAALCP leaders and other "non-whites." You know, the people who are "very privileged, people who don't have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their health insurance."

See, they're the victims who always cry racism -- them and their white enabler homies. ~SIGH~ Little ol' me, who knows his great-grandkids will still be paying off the incredible debt created by the Dems and to a lesser extent the GOPers just can't stand in the face of the brilliant logic of former Enron drone Paul Krugman.

Ah, I was waiting for the lame "it's racism" term and Dumb Dane did not dissappoint.

Someone above said if republicans take over the congress, Obama can blame them for gridlock. You dolt. He already is.

I know galoob is very pro masturbation after all, he raises O'Donnell's being against it so much. galoob, don't hurt your wrist now.

The left had their chance big time but they blew it. They look like incompetent, whining babies. Which,now that I think about it, is right on. ww

Galoob, all you need to do to realize how very wrong you are, is to ask yourself - just once, seriously ask yourself why Sarah Palin is still so important to so many Americans?

I have asked myself that. The answer is that she appeals to the 25-30% of Americans who are white, undereducated and resentful. As Sarah herself points out, these are not your Ivy League grads. They are the same people who think the world is less than 10,000 years old because that's what the Bible says, that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, the Rapture is coming, and that Bush did a great job.

They are a lot of people, but they are a minority.

"One point of similarity is that the spoiled children of the Baby Boom have always been self-indulgent and want something for nothing."

Stereotype much?
The vast majority of the boomers try to work, pay taxes, obey the laws and help the less fortunate.

"It was true of the draft-dodgers and pot-smokers and it's true of the now-senior citizens who want services and Social Security (and wars) but don't want to pay any taxes."

You've really bought into the class warfare rhetoric. Draft dodgers and pot smokers are probably such a small percentage they don't even count. But again, you apply the broad brush to a generation you hate for reasons you don't understand.

As for seniors, they've paid taxes their whole lives, lived through wars, raised and lost children and managed to survive. All they want now is a little respect and to live out their remaining days in peace.

Is there anyone you don't resent and despise galoob?

"I have asked myself that. The answer is that she appeals to the 25-30% of Americans who are white, undereducated and resentful. As Sarah herself points out, these are not your Ivy League grads. They are the same people who think the world is less than 10,000 years old because that's what the Bible says, that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, the Rapture is coming, and that Bush did a great job."

Galoob, you really are a bubble boy.

"Is there anyone you don't resent and despise galoob?"

Ah....no. It's all about him.

Paul Krugman. Now there's a guy who knows all about poverty! Yeah, when's the last time you saw his white ass in a ghetto?

Jay,

that was a nice article but I really think you are missing a point. Until, and I hold out little hope for it come around, the conservatives actually live by and govern by principles they espouse to get elected, we are doing nothing more than changing the company delivering our milk. The label may change, but we are still getting the same old product we had before.

Furthermore, I really do not think that this popular movement is going to last. For limited government to work, EVERYONE has to give up depending on, to one degree or another, or being recompensed by, to one degree or another, the Government. But, no one will. The ease of government solutions to problems is too alluring.

Want to go back to the Founding Fathers ideals? Great idea! Worthy goal! But that means you are now going to get a call from Aunt Mildred for help because her hypertension meds are now costing $80 a month, instead of the $10 it was before. And Social Security is no longer sending her money. And Medicare is gone for her doctor's visits. And AFDC is gone so your sister needs help with groceries her and her two kids that she got left alone with after your brother-in-law died. And so on...

The fact is everyone is so dependent on the government teat, I despair of ever weaning ourselves off of it. Yes, the Tea party talks a good game, right now. The anger is righteous. But how many of those fifty-somethings and sixty-somethings are willing to face a cut in Medicare, or pensions, or social security to see those goals enacted? How many forty-somethings are going come home and realize that no their child is not going to college because the state is no longer subsidizing them? How many thirty-somethings are going to realize a degree in mental masturbation (Philosophy, English, ______ Studies)is worthless and get practical training to support themselves?

Most, unfortunately, won't. And do not deceive yourself, these 'Tea Party' politicians aren't deceived either. If they are elected, they will do everything necessary to stay elected, which means that the milk keeps getting delivered, even as we continue to talk, in no uncertain terms, about going to the store and picking it up ourselves.

What a surprise. Galoob asks himself a question, and gets just the answer he expects.

And Dane... thanks for affirming one of my points. Yesterday's "Commie!" is today's "RAAAAACIST!"

You're the tool of the Man, dude, holding down the people.

J.

Does that make O'Donnell the new Senator Sonny Bono?

Is there anyone more dishonest than Enron advisor krugman?

"It was true of the draft-dodgers and pot-smokers and it's true of the now-senior citizens who want services and Social Security (and wars) but don't want to pay any taxes." galoob

Here's a big "Fuck You, galoob." Dane too.

I served, 11/69-10/73, Navy.

I worked and retired "comfortably" in my mid-fifties (not on a government pension either). You can take it as written that I'm still paying taxes, quarterly.

Finally, for the record: I admire Sarah Palin, the Tea Party movement and I'm only part caucasian. That last bit of information is only because it seems to matter to you.

Galoob: "The answer is that she appeals to the 25-30% of Americans who are white, undereducated and resentful"

No, sir. I asked you to seriously consider the question, not toss off what would make you feel better for the moment.

You're not gonna like the next couple decades, galoob. America's growing up and you'll be left behind with the political luddites.

Just a couple of things aren't the same, JT. First, none of the Tea Party's disparate groups are receiving money from a foreign power who has promised to bury us. This is unlike many of the left-wing groups of the 60's and 70's. Second, there isn't a violent wing of the Tea Party like there was with the left-wingers of that era. Indeed, the violence today seems to come from the successors to the 60's and 70's left -wingers, that is, groups like the SEIU, whose leaders appear to have missed the last bus out of the 60's, and the new Black Panther Party. Thirdly, most of the Tea Partiers drink tea, they don't smoke it.

Even funnier that the notion that the Left has become "the man" is the notion that alot of the people in the Tea party movement now, were probably involved in the hippy movement before.

Same people, just older and wiser

LN - You're exactly right. As I posted a couple of days ago: "As one who got 'clean for Gene' in '68 and threw out the baby with bath water concerning American traditional institutions [and then grew up when I worked at an urban county's welfare department - what an incredible waste of human potential that system is], I worry that the Tea Partiers, and those who sympathize with them [I belong to one of those groups, just don't know which one, yet], may become so disenchanted with the "ruling elites" within the R party, that they too, will throw the baby out with the bath water and start a self-defeating 3rd party."

I can't see so many tea partiers as being ex- anti-war. They are pretty solidly pro-war. I see the division in the country now a continuation of the culture wars of the 60`s, liberals vs conservatives. The sides have not changed. The conservatives feel that liberals and their elite political class and some of their own, have contempt for them, that they think they are primitive, unprogessive, bigoted and intolerant,

It is not taxes or the fantasy of limited government. The tea partiers want to increase the military, more security pentagons, but at the same time they would fire hundreds of Pentagon translators who are gay. Gays are more of a threat to the cultural integrity of America for them, than terrorists. Obama with his unusual (unusual to them) background, is the defining cultural threat to the tea partiers, more than his traditional rather safe, Democratic views.

Yeah, starting your political career in living room of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn is a bit "unusual" to me, but apparently it's par for the course for you, Mr. Crickmore. But, I know of no one who is pro-war and I wouldn't fire anyone merely because he/she is gay. But you're right, a little bit, about the cultural wars. It's the culture of blame America first vs those who recognize the greatness, and the goodness, of this Country. Oh, and yes, I took part in the largely anti US military protests of the 60s and 70s. Did you?

"I can't see so many tea partiers as being ex- anti-war. They are pretty solidly pro-war."

You are so full of shit. Have you even been to a Tea Party? There are people with many different points of view on many topics. They are united in wanting smaller and lest costly government and government control over their lives.

Succinctly, they DON'T want a nanny state.

Yes, cronary how did you guess? the anti-war mobilization seems like ancient history. I went to a number of protests too, many of the big ones from 68 to 71. I was with Hillary( she downplays it) on the New Haven Common in May day weekend 1970, when we were tear-gassed and a few days later I was at Princeton when it was the first university to go on strike after Nixon`s incursion into Cambodia-the same weekend as the Kent State massacre occurred.

I am perhaps rubbing in the "don't tell don't ask" in because it seems so indefensible and silly.

and pro-war is a little hard for a label on tea-partiers, but libertarism/ or tax cuts the other leg of the tea party, beside the cultural wars, is just as questionable a policy.

James Pinkerton, a fellow of the Free Enterprise Fund and the New America Foundation and contributor to the Fox news makes some good points on this tvblogging interview that Obama`s stimulist program was successful in stimulating the economy...in China, because we have no Hamiltonian industrial development in the US. It created a lot of jobs in China, (few here) because our industrial base is so ill-eqipped.

Most of wizbang, and even Obama to some extent hope that the calvary of the free market entrpreneurs without any industrial policy, is sudddenly going to come in and rescue the USA, now that the government with borrowed money, has staved off the worst of the recession by supplying the demand, when there was none because of the meltdown, but it won't happen.

"It is not taxes or the fantasy of limited government. The tea partiers want to increase the military, more security pentagons, but at the same time they would fire hundreds of Pentagon translators who are gay"

B.S. from a typical know it all liberal.

914, okay, Will you accept something from a know it all conservative.

It is not the policy. McCain Pressed on Military Outing

Well, there's the difference between us, Crickmore. I shamefacedly admit that in the 60's and 70's I was stupid, ignorant, naive, duped and full of youthful rebellion regarding subjects on which I was woefully lacking in knowledge. You seem to revel in the fact.
Nice story about you and Hillary on the New Haven Common, though. Are you T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII in real life?

J.T.: "It's the return of the 60's... but from the opposite direction."

Let's just hope it doesn't take the Tea Partiers 40 years to restore America like it took the sixties activists to fundamentally transform us into a Marxist nation.

Not just hope, but hope and pray. That's one thing we got that they didn't have so much, I think.

#51

I did not know McCain was a Tea Partier.

Almy, a 13-year veteran of the Air Force, was kicked out of the armed forces after superiors investigated his personal emails and found a correspondence between he and his partner. He told Maddow that he was "dumbfounded" by McCain's insistence after Tuesday's filibuster that the military was not looking into the sexual orientation of its soldiers. The military violated "don't ask, don't tell," Almy said of his case. "That's just one example among hundreds of others of how this policy has been abused and violated to serve the purposes of the military. It's not there to protect gays and lesbians, it's there to throw them out."

I don't really want to get into this, it is like shooting fish in the barrel, but with the dadt policy upheld by the GOP and teapartiers we would be lucky to get through World War 2. If the Brits had this policy back then, all Hitler had to was out Monty who was in command of all Allied ground forces during Operation Overlord in Battle of Normandy to sew real confusion or Alan Turing would never have been allowed to work at Bletchy Park and the German Enigma Code would never have been broken. Gordon Brown the British PM, last year: 'I'm proud to say sorry to a real war hero'

Turing was a quite brilliant mathematician, most famous for his work on breaking the German Enigma codes. It is no exaggeration to say that, without his outstanding contribution, the history of the Second World War could have been very different. He truly was one of those individuals we can point to whose unique contribution helped to turn the tide of war. The debt of gratitude he is owed makes it all the more horrifying, therefore, that he was treated so inhumanely.

Who knows how many future Alan Turings or General Montgomerys, the Pentagon, has dismissed because outing them was more important, than being allowed to continue to serve their country for the cause of freedom and liberty? No wonder McCain is so indignant.

Cronaty, no I`m currently between jobs. Even though I spent a lot of time at Ivy League Univeristies I decided that most of the professors texts in the social sciences reading were from Harvard so why not go there? I only have a B.A to show for all my efforts.

Yes, I have mellowed. I haven't altered my views about the "five oclock follies" but I suppose have altered my views about the Vietminh. And, I don't have any more truck with communism than I do with militant Islam fundamentalism, but I hardly think launching occupying military invasions is the right approach.

Crickmore, you're convoluting "Republicans" with "Tea Party." Bringing up John McCain says NOTHING about the Tea Party.

Or have you already forgotten the name "J. D. Hayworth?"

J.

I suppose J.D Heyworth moved the spectrum a little in Arizona. McCain has played so many hands in his life, maybe that is why he calls himself a maverick. Some issues of the teaparty I have some sympathy with, their arguments on abortion, immigration control for instance. Arizona must be an interesting place to live in. But alot of their economic ideas aren't coherent, you couldn't call them policies. They want the federal government to lower taxes but (here is a good overview)
fix the economy, help in job creation, with no industrial policy/just the free market but then our jobs will continue to go to China
unless our local governments build bigger chinatowns in every American city..maybe thats the ticket.

previous link Tea Party Movement.

I'll try again, the previous missing hyperlink

Steve, I presume you think the Obama administration has a "coherent" economic policy -- how's that workin' out for ya?

What we have right now is a bunch of overeducated buffoons running things -- "overeducated" being shorthand for "way too long on theory, way too short on experience, and way too clueless to recognize that deficit."

And man, dude, are you like totally misreading the Tea Party. Let's look at what you're trying to say:

They want the federal government to lower taxes but... fix the economy, help in job creation, with no industrial policy/just the free market...

It all, like, hangs together in a totally groovy way, man. Lower taxes, and you improve the economy. Lower taxes, and companies are more likely to start hiring people. Let industry, like, do its own thing, and they'll take care of business.

You can't run a free market, man. It's gotta be free, it's gotta do its own thing. The more you try to make it do what you want, the more you're gonna totally harsh its mellow and it's gonna, like, not play your little reindeer games.

Steve, you're such a Herbert. You're such a square. You're such a slave to the Man, to the System, you don't even see how you're perpetuating the status quo.

Come on, man, set yourself free. Open your mind. Expand your consciousness. Turn on, tune in, and drop out of the liberal-fascist agenda. Your soul's screaming for freedom, but you keep feeding it the opium of liberalism and keep it a happy slave.

Man, don't you know the truth? People everywhere just wanna be free -- even you.

J.

My movement was swept aside by the brain dead hippies of the 60's. My movement was rocket ships to the moon, fabulous American movies in icy cold air conditioned theaters and computers that you could carry on your wrist and clean water and air and nuclear powered cars that were shiny and fast. My movement was all about the brilliance and technological future of America, the shining city on the hill.

Mime. Only I was born in 59 but I watched all of the amazing things we could have been and done, go down the twalet because some people were afraid of........why we might just make them commies and liberals look baaaad.

JT @ 61,

Best. Comment. Evar.

Like, totally, man.

Jay, no Obama doesn't have a coherent economic policy, but I disagree with you that

Lower taxes, and companies are more likely to start hiring people. Let industry, like, do its own thing, and they'll take care of business.

Never mind less taxes even with zero taxes, without an industrial policy, shaped and financed by the government (through taxes)not hedge funders, we will continue in the same vein, surprisingly good productivity, a rising dow jones, good corporate profits, but few new jobs in the US, but many new ones in China, even to build our pcs, ipods etc. We have a free market already, the tea market panacea, and that is why with our high labor costs, including high health insurance costs, the stimulus program stimulated new jobs in China, not in the US. We are undergoing a jobless recovery. I have linked to this before but James Pinkerton, a certified conservative, makes some good points. We need big government libertarism. Corporations aren't interested in providing new jobs, they are interested in the bottom line, and paying as little as they can, so we need a big time industrial policy, anathema to the tea party, to rectify this, if we want to provide Americans with more and better jobs.

Less government is the answer Steve. Obama would have been ok if he hadnt: pushed porked health care, put the US in trillions of dollars of debt, government motors, ...
This type of administration and its policy's will be the downfall of the US if the citizens allow this craziness to continue.
It's working if we allow this to continue... the radicals are trying to take over from within