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The Bush Opposite

One reason I love writing at Wizbang is Jay Tea. For some reason, we seem to provoke, errrr, inspire columns by the other every now and then, and this is one of those times. Jay wrote about former President Carter's post-office denouement in civility, common sense, and cognition. I felt obliged to provide a few thoughts in his defense, to which Jay reminded me that Jimmah is actually rather an epic fail, on the whole. Jay also brought up the same point I did, that Mr. Carter went into office with some very fine intentions. And it is that point where I want to begin my article for today.

There are a lot of folks who like to water things down. They don't like rigid rules that apply to everyone in every situation, they like to point to relative conditions and extenuating circumstances ... well, when they want to give a break to someone they like, that is. This has led to some strange abandoning of logic and more than a few crimes against obvious laws of nature, like that soccer league which does not keep score and gives everyone a trophy, the court system that argues that the majority opinion of the people has no merit if certain minorities are offended, and the entire concept of 'climate science'. I'm sure the people behind each of those concepts mean well, but the plain fact is they're just plain wrong. President Carter was like that, he had the best intentions, but God bless him, he couldn't begin to get the job done.

It occurs to me as well, that a lot of people take the opposite approach to competent people who lack polish. A good example of this is our most recent former POTUS, George W. Bush. The man did a fine job, all things considered, but two years after he went back home, democrats and the East Coast elites are still bringing up W every time they wad their panties over something. At first it seemed to be a political strategy, to advance liberals by smearing the leader of the GOP, especially since W was too decent to smear them back or deliver a Cheney-style 'death glare'. But as 2010 winds down, and the political value of attacking Bush has diminished to - and passed - the point of satire, the Left remains determined to hate a man whose accomplishments are becoming more obvious as time passes.

One reason the Bush Administration is gaining respect in the public, despite the unending barrage of insults from the Left, is the complete lack of noteworthy accomplishments by the Insulter-in-Chief, President Obama. Like President Carter, Obama seems to have meant well. I will give him that much, I do think he wanted to be a great President, and he thought he would do a great job. And like Carter, Obama's chief reason for believing he would do a good job, was because he held himself in high opinion without much critical thought or consideration of the requisite experience or perspective. He won the job, therefore he was qualified. End of story.

Bush came to office to do a specific job, and he was careful to ask for the opinion of leading republicans and democrats before committing himself. Bush's respect for Ted Kennedy in his 'No Child Left Behind' program, for instance. Obama, on the other hand, was resolved to accomplish things his own way, so much so that he not only ignored republicans but many fellow democrats in crafting his policies.

Bush was often derided for lacking eloquence in his speeches, but at Ground Zero just after 9/11, he spoke to the nation with passion and clarity that resounded. Obama was praised for his intellect and elocution by just about everyone, yet since taking office his ability to answer simple questions or effectively sell his own policies to the American people have failed dismally.

Bush was attacked as man who hated Islam and could not see past his Christian bias, but under his watch 50 million muslims gained freedom in the Middle East. Since taking office, Obama's policies regarding Iraq and Afghanistan have been recognized as ineffective and short-sighted.

Bush was smeared as anti-black, but directed more U.S. aid to combat AIDs than any president in history. Obama was expected to be a huge blessing for blacks, but unemployment for black Americans under Obama is now higher than at any time since ... Jimmy Carter.

Over and over we see it. Bush the man without flash, whose substance showed when it mattered, and Obama the Bush Opposite, a man of nothing but flash, but after the flash nothing but dust and a bad smell.

In the late winter of 2013, as Spring approaches the nation, cold winds will continue to blow through the streets of Chicago, so harsh and cruel that Mayor Daley might have sent them. As he surveys his home town upon his return, and considers all that was and all that might have been, Barack Obama will reflect for a moment and, as always, blame Bush. Because George W. Bush has always been a magnanimous and grateful man, his opposites - be they Carter or be they Obama - will be sure to hold the opposite position.


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B-b-b-but....Bush is EVIL..... (Below threshold)
zipity:

B-b-b-but....Bush is EVIL... *snort* You might as well try to light a cigar in a tornado as try to convince the Liberal Loonie Leftards that anything Bush did was positive. Either effort would be a complete waste of time. If they ever gave up the narrative they invested soooooo much time/effort into, their tiny little heads would explode, making little lady-finger firecracker pops. And I ain't cleaning that up....

I take a lot of your points... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I take a lot of your points on Bush's domestic and foreign aid programs and his genial personality, but Bush will always have to answer in history for the neglect of getting Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan in order to go after Iraq, the escape of Bin Laden, the fiasco of Iraq, and the degradation of American values caused by the torture programs in Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

I don't even blame him too much for the housing and mortgage derivatives bubble, but his appointees were asleep or wilfully blind. there

He weakened the USA, a lot.

You sure do enjoy your Kool... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

You sure do enjoy your Kool-aid, galoob.

Bullshit galoob. If Bush di... (Below threshold)
zipity:

Bullshit galoob. If Bush did one thing wrong about Iraq, was waiting so long to enforce the broken UN sanctions that Saddam was able to disperse the WMDs to Syria and other rogue states. Or do you think the Iraqi's would be better off under the murderous genocidal Saddam Hussein and his psycho sons? Never ceases to amaze me when people lay all the dead Iraqi's at Bush's feet, instead of the terrorists who killed the vast majority of them...Same for the meme that we "took our eye off the ball" in Afghanistan. Unsaid in virtually every line of that argument is that the speaker would prefer that our response to 9/11 had been more intensive soul-searching into "why we deserved it, and how can we make amends". ESAD.

Hey galoob, nice of you to ... (Below threshold)
zipity:

Hey galoob, nice of you to let Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Bill Clinton, etc. off for forcing Fannie/Freddie and the rest of the banks to loan money to people who shouldn't/couldn't afford homes in the first place with the Community Reinvestment Act. Give "credit" where it is due...

Hey gallob.... "Yo... (Below threshold)
zipity:

Hey gallob....

"You are young, my son, and, as the years go by, time will change and even reverse many of your present opinions. Refrain therefore awhile from setting yourself up as a judge of the highest matters."
-- Plato

Hmmmmm? Bin laden ... (Below threshold)
914:

Hmmmmm?

Bin laden in a drones sights and slick billybob blows up an aspirin factory?

Makes sense only in the delusional warm wet empty cave called Galloobs brain cavity.

If Hussein had any class he would move back to kenya or indonesia or wherever the hell he is from.

Over and over we see it.... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Over and over we see it. Bush the man without flash, whose substance showed when it mattered.

Oh yeah, but when it really mattered, was before Sept 11, 2001, to anticipate and prevent it, that is what a leader is supposed to do, not closing the barn door after the horse had left. That is not so difficult.

Bush was and is a naturally lazy and incurious person. No wonder he is quiet in retirement.

As his wont, George Bush then on August 6th, 2001 at his Crawford Ranch was dismissive of a CIA briefer, "You' ve covered your ass, now!" when given the intelligence briefing memo, titled 'Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States,'

The man of susbtance as Drummond calls him had other more substantive things on his mind.

The day after he received the memo, "Bush seemed carefree as he spoke about the books he was reading, the work he was doing on his nearby ranch, his love of hot-weather jogging, his golf game and his 55th birthday," the Washington Post noted.

Here is the spin given later, "The president of the United States had us at battle stations during this period of time," Rice testified....she must be kidding, but the reality was to take the lead from Bush,

"In a pre-9/11 world, it was like, 'Check it out and see what you find and get back to us after Labor Day,' " the former aide said. "It wasn't just the president who was on vacation. It was the whole government. It was the Bureau [FBI] and the Agency [CIA], too."

You be the judge of what a fine job Bush did when it mattered, not after the fact.

Bullshit galoob. If Bush... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Bullshit galoob. If Bush did one thing wrong about Iraq, was waiting so long to enforce the broken UN sanctions that Saddam was able to disperse the WMDs to Syria and other rogue states.

Right, that's why we have not found any evidence of any WMD program or storage in Iraq in the last years. Even Saddam admitted he was playing like he did have them to fool the Iranians, but didn't.

Or do you think the Iraqi's would be better off under the murderous genocidal Saddam Hussein and his psycho sons?

The USA should help its own people, fix our bridges and not worry about foreign psychos abusing their own people. Without the war, a lot more Iraqis would be alive, and anyways it's up to the Iraqis to rebel against the own tyrants, not have the USA spend $2bn and have our own die for them. We are going to get zero thanks for the Iraqis - only a swift kick as they hand their oil contracts to the Chinese, Russians and French.

Never ceases to amaze me when people lay all the dead Iraqi's at Bush's feet, instead of the terrorists who killed the vast majority of them...

No Iraq war, no terrorism in Iraq. Simple.

Same for the meme that we "took our eye off the ball" in Afghanistan. Unsaid in virtually every line of that argument is that the speaker would prefer that our response to 9/11 had been more intensive soul-searching into "why we deserved it, and how can we make amends". ESAD.

I "would prefer" that Bin Ladan and Zawahiri were dead to having to "nation build" in a stone-age country now to do counterinsurgency. We had AQ on the run at the beginning, then we stopped to invade Iraq and let them escape to Pakistan. Now that place's a mess too. As the Brits say, a cock-up.

In all honesty steve, it ma... (Below threshold)
914:

In all honesty steve, it matters very much after the fact as well. If those in charge would have thought so in 93' maybe 911 would not have happened.

But thats water under the bridge. How that recovery summer coming? Isn't 4.6 % unemployment and a stock market at 14,000 great?? Ohhh wait...

Hey Stevie, no award to Jam... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Hey Stevie, no award to Jamie Gorlick, Clinton appointee, for establishing the "Gorlick Rule" that one intelligence group COULD NOT share information with another intelligence group?

As for 'lazy in retirement'....ya mean like Washington, Jefferson, and those who followed UNTIL JIMMY CARTER AND BILLY BOB CLINTON?

Wow! The supposedly educate... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Wow! The supposedly educated lefties actually do believe that is something drastic happened to our country or we were SPECIFICALLY warned of something, GW Bush was on vacation so we couldn't do anything. Steve and Galoob, are you really that stupid. Obama has taken more time off then any president in only his second year but we conservatives know that the office of president is where ever the president is. Do you know how childish your comments make you look?

GW Bush will of course go down in history as a great president. Our country was attacked by terrorists and there was no precedent for handling that crisis. So for a president that had to protect us on the fly, he did remarkably well. Obama has been in office two years and we have been attacked 4 times. Except for Bush's spending and the immigration reform attempt, I am a huge fan. He is a class act. He doesn't wallow in the muck and mire of name calling and stuff the left does. God bless him. ww

Heh, in a thread bemoaning ... (Below threshold)
john:

Heh, in a thread bemoaning how lefties are still bringing up Bush, we now have a couple of righties going back to blame Clinton. Irony, thy name is wingnut.

John, another day, and as u... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

John, another day, and as usual, a dollar short.

Obama has taken more tim... (Below threshold)
john:

Obama has taken more time off then any president in only his second year

If you're going to be so uninformed on even the little things, what makes you think anyone should take you seriously on the big things? Especially ironic as you berate the "supposedly educated lefties".

Obama has embarked on nine "vacations" since taking office, bringing his total days off to 48. Some of those trips lasted a day and some, like his Christmas holiday in Hawaii, more than a week.

By comparison, Bush had visited his ranch in Crawford, Tex., 14 times at this point in his administration and spent 115 days there.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/21/AR2010082102399.html

FAIL.

GarandFan, really? That's y... (Below threshold)
john:

GarandFan, really? That's your response? A childish insult? I guess "I know you are, but what am I?" is about all the retort you can handle.

Really, now. If all you want is to see your name on a web page, I'm sure there better places you can go that won't require you to make vapid, content-less comments.

The market, 14 or 15 thousa... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

The market, 14 or 15 thousand on borrowed money was crazy because of the housing bubble. The trade deficits and debt accumulations were terrible during the Bush 44 years, better indications of where the country was and still is going.

-okay jamie gorlick -i will look into it-pretty damn stupid.

I don't know about unprecented, that is Obama`s favorite word as well, usually there are a number of precedents-air hijackings weren't exactly new or blowing up buildings. That is why you have intelligence briefings, and we certainly knew how dangerous al-Queda was, blowing up embassies in Africa and the battleship Cole. The memo was pretty detailed

With half the world's military budget, and the full backing of Nato, Russia and China against a group of terrorists armed with suicidal wirecutters, and a few primitive weapons back home, enjoying very little popular support, even the Taliban and Saddam Hussein didn't care for them, if that is your main accomplishment? ..mnnn.

Johnny, Crawford was the Wh... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Johnny, Crawford was the Whitehouse while he was there. His cabinet was out there when he was, etc. And when Obama isn't off on an expensive tax paid vacation (remember, GW owned the Ranch, no money involved) Obama is having lavish parties while the Gulf Coast was in crisis. Had a superbowl party while people were freezing to death, literally. Obama's own insider say's Obama doesn't really want to be "the president". He leaves it up to his underlings. This guy is a huge loser. A great example of what happens when you put someone into a job without an ounce of experience. ww

"The trade deficits and deb... (Below threshold)
914:

"The trade deficits and debt accumulations were terrible during the Bush 44 years, better indications of where the country was and still is going."


Ummmm? Slick Willie and NAFTA.. Get a clue.

Hey, first time unemploymen... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Hey, first time unemployment claims CLIMB to 465,000.

Wow.

"climb" to 465,000. I thought that "stuff" was supposed to go down, since obambi promised us the unemployment rate would NEVER go above 8% if we passed his magical pixie dust-unicorn-rainbows stimulus plan and sheriff joe said the plan worked better than anyone could have DREAMED!

Hmmmmmm.

Unemployment numbers still at 9.6 (official) and eleventy-zillion unofficial.

Wow.

In other fab - u - lous news, we are finally seeing all the ACTUAL effects of the health care ramdown (since we had "to pass it too see what was in it!) and the American people don't like it.

Not one li'l bit.

Hey, anyone notice how that "smart diplomacy" is working? Yeah, me neither.

Hey, how come obambi and sheriff joe haven't captured osama yet? They told us they knew where he was and obambi told us he would be willing to invade Pakistan if that's what it took! Hmmm, nothing yet...(maybe they forgot to tell us??)

Hey, anyone buying stock in the 2 car companies that obambi gave to his union pals? Yep, me neither. Although, to be fair, GM did pay down 1 government loan with money from another government loan, so, you know, it's all good.....

Hey, looks like there will be some new "shovel ready" Econ 101 jobs on the white house staff available now that the economic team is basically leaving. So, that's like, what? 4-5 more jobs right there.

Thats not so bad.

It only took $110Million in LA to produce 55 jobs. So, like, thats cool.

Anyway, I hear that Christine O'Donnell is some real crazy gal.

Why, she's so crazy, it's almost like she said the population of Guan could tip the island over!!!

hilarious!

Wassat? You didn't know about that comment? Strange. I wonder why........Maybe Christine O'Donnell is receiving special attention because Delaware was the "first state", as opposed to the other 56 states that came later.....lol

crickmore: "okay jamie gorl... (Below threshold)
Drago:

crickmore: "okay jamie gorlick -i will look into it-pretty damn stupid."

lol

Yeah, I'm sure you'll get right on that.....lol

"Hey, how come obambi an... (Below threshold)
914:

"Hey, how come obambi and sheriff joe haven't captured osama yet? They told us they knew where he was and obambi told us he would be willing to invade Pakistan if that's what it took! Hmmm"


They are holding out on capturing the goat herder until the 2012 elections. Y'know, dont want to be seen as profiling muslims.


"It only took $110Million in LA to produce 55 jobs. So, like, thats cool."


Yes. Im so proud of Barry! Finally he has shown us all that affirmative action does work. .


Love the consistency of the... (Below threshold)
John:

Love the consistency of the left, Obama is in office for 2 years and everything going on is GWB's fault on a few other threads the blame went all the way back to Reagan. We're attacked 9 months into GWB's watch and he's the only person to blame.

Steve, I've told you this b... (Below threshold)

Steve, I've told you this before -- the Bush presidents were 41 and 43. Obama is 44. "Bush 44" sounds like a gun or a drink.

And note that plenty of WMDs were found in Iraq, and some were even used against US troops by terrorists. But once they were discovered, the left shifted the goalposts from "No WMDs" to "no massive stockpiles."

J.

What it all boils down to i... (Below threshold)
914:

What it all boils down to is we had Bush for one term too few while we've had Hussein for one half term too many.

Well the Iraq war was certa... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Well the Iraq war was certainly blameworthy or praise worthing of Bush.

50 million muslims -Iraqis and Afghans gained their freedom and well over a over million died and over three million fled (I'm guessing) many Iraqis and Afghans have voted with their feet, and five thousand allied soldiers died. Iraq is still in the same sad economic shape it was before Hussein, inspite of the billions we have poured in only it has elections but no government authority.

Some nations obtained their freedom after world war 1, but it certainly wasn't worth it, either. Of course Bush has core Christian beliefs so he wouldn't hurt a sparrow. By the way, DJ Drummond have you noticed in the new freer Iraq, the Christian community since the invasion has been wiped out, or is that another unintended consequence of the spread of freedom in the Middle East.

"Of course Bush has core Ch... (Below threshold)
914:

"Of course Bush has core Christian beliefs so he wouldn't hurt a sparrow. By the way, DJ Drummond have you noticed in the new freer Iraq, the Christian community since the invasion has been wiped out, or is that another unintended consequence of the spread of freedom in the Middle East."


Maybe since they now have the freedom they chose to leave instead of being buried in mass graves.

I'm not exactly certain, wh... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I'm not exactly certain, what you mean Jay by WMD`s being discovered and used against Americans? You mean like the Israeli cluster bombs or the uranium depleted bombs used by Americans under Bush 41-got your message-in the first Gulf war. Hey Saddam may had something small, like tear gas up his sleeve, but generally he was bluffing. Actually, of course as a Sunni he was more angry with the Iranians than the USA, but we didn't use it, alas this time.

crickmore "the insane": "..... (Below threshold)
Drago:

crickmore "the insane": "..and well over a over million died and over three million fled (I'm guessing) many Iraqis and Afghans have voted with their feet, and .."

Insane Steve is at it again. The only "study" that ever came close (by a factor of about a hundred!) is the thoroughly discredited and ridiculous Lancet "study". lol A person with even a smattering of Statistical analysis (and basic logic capabilities) would immediately recognize the feeble Lancet report.

Good old steve, trying as hard as his little brain will allow to foist obvious falsehoods on everyone here.

Why do I call steve "insane"? Because he is actually, no kidding, (I'm not pulling your leg) one of those lefties that actually believes (BELIEVES) in the insane "October Surprise" theory that only the most demented of lefties actually "believes".

Wow.

Just wow.

"Reality Based community"!! LOL

914. I`m willing to accept ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

914. I`m willing to accept that.

Drago, I should say there w... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Drago, I should say there was several back-channel discussions going on with the Israelis and Reagan/ Rockfeller team. The Iranians had their assets frozen at David Rockfeller Chase Manhattan bank (half a billion dollars) and the Shah waas very good friend of David Rockfeller and Casey who became for 6 years head of the CIA was the chairman of Reagan election committeee. You acceopt that don't you. It is pretty well documented.

Of course you still believ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Of course you still believe that Reagan would never deal in arms for hostages?

The coincidence between Reagan's inauguration and the hostage release (-the same day-) was curious to some but served mostly to establish in the minds of Americans that Reagan was a tough leader who instilled fear in U.S. adversaries. However, if the timing actually resulted from a clandestine arms-for-hostage deal, it would mean that Reagan's presidency began with an act of deception, as well as an act of treachery.

If Reagan and Casey did it in the Iran Contra affair a few yeares later, when do you think this began? Don't be so naive. Drago, the Israelis aren't. Gates a player in Iran-Contra is now an Obama appointee, if that will make you feel better. These are big power operatives, who will do almost anything to get elected or where have you been the last 50 years?

Crawford was the Whiteho... (Below threshold)
john:

Crawford was the Whitehouse while he was there. His cabinet was out there when he was, etc.

Jeez, Willie, you really can convince yourself of anything when it comes to Bush, can't you? I bet you think while Bush was sleeping his mind was still busily crunching WOPR war scenarios. I guess all those trips he himself called "vacation" were his code word for "working hard".

when Obama isn't off on an expensive tax paid vacation (remember, GW owned the Ranch, no money involved)

Right, because Air Force One, Secret Service details, and other security requirements are all paid for in unicorns and rainbows. Plus you say his cabinet was there whenever he was. No cost there, right? And just what do you think is a greater expense... 24x7 Secret Service protection of a ranch for 8 straight years, or an occasional hotel room?

crickmore: "If Reagan and C... (Below threshold)
Drago:

crickmore: "If Reagan and Casey did it in the Iran Contra affair a few yeares later, when do you think this began?"

Shorter crickmore: I have absolutely no evidence that the "October Surprise" is true.
None.
At. All.
Zero.
So, I will throw in a non sequitor or two in the hopes that noone will notice that I have no evidence for my belief.
None.
No evidence.
At. All."

Do you Steve?

Do you?

No evidence equals "truth"!

"Reality-based community"!! LOL

hey li'l stevie, if you wan... (Below threshold)
Drago:

hey li'l stevie, if you want to see some real nefarious and treasonous activity, I recommend you google "Ted Kennedy" and "Soviet Union" and "letter" and see what comes up.

I think you'll find the reading about how the liberal "lion of the senate" (when he wasn't abandoning young aides to drown alone) was quite the li'l helper for our old Soviet adversaries.

Hey, what am I saying??? Those guys were only adversaries for some of us.......

...but not the left.

The worst thing Bush ever d... (Below threshold)

The worst thing Bush ever did to Obama was to not say things that others were thinking.
Bush didn't directly blame Clinton for lax security and weak responses to past provocation.
Bush has not responded to the never ending Obama blaming Bush for everything but the sun rising in the east.
Best way to make a small man look very small is to not do anything. If Bush responded to Obama's ugliness he would look petty. By ignoring the ugliness, Bush seems like the bigger man and Obama comes across as the ugly, petty man he is.

I have given you the <a hre... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I have given you the links for the October surprise, and why indivudual members of Congress were leaned on when they went to investigaste it. Robert Parry is a serious journalist, with awards. Khomeni was playing both sides of the street too. The hostages were pawns. We are all pawns. Look were Robert Gates is now, defence secretary for Obama, so much for his loyalty to Reagan and the Bushes. Hillary is secretary of State, Obama`s chief adversary.

Our politicians put their own careers before principles, and keep quiet. They aren't going to resign. It is a game to them whipping up the base and back slapping afterwards.

Since you bring up Ted Kennedy, I went to a 45 speech in 1974, about healthcare at Boston University given by him. It was very wooden, he just read out figures and showed no passion, probably because there were no tv cameras. At his senate office in 74, he had the most beautiful secretaries, of the entire senate working for him, coincidence?

crickmore: "I have given yo... (Below threshold)
Drago:

crickmore: "I have given you the links for the October surprise,.."

Those aren't links for the "October Surprise". Those are links by whackjob little lefties who, like you, have nothing more substantial than their twisted fantasies. Like you.

crickmore: "... and why indivudual members of Congress were leaned on when they went to investigaste it."

Yeah, those democrats were really "leaned on" by those big bad republicans!! LOL

Who are you kidding??!! Sheesh, if there was even the slightest chance (the slimmest of threads!) that any of those whacked out accusations were true, there would have been such a stampede of lefty journalists angling for Woodward and Bernstein status and little dem congresscritters working their little buns off to be the next Frank Church that it would have made your head spin!!!


Robert Parry is a serious journalist, with awards. Khomeni was playing both sides of the street too. The hostages were pawns. We are all pawns. Look were Robert Gates is now, defence secretary for Obama, so much for his loyalty to Reagan and the Bushes. Hillary is secretary of State, Obama`s chief adversary.

crickmore: "Robert Parry is a serious journalist, with awards."

Ha ha ha ha ha!! Hey, you know who else was a "serious journalist, with awards"?

Hmmm?

None other than Walter Duranty. Do you know who that was crickmore??? Why, he was a good little lefty like you who covered the wonderful "paradise" that was the Soviet Union in the 30's and wrote such glowing praises of the communist system that was murdering tens of millions of russians that the Pulitzer Committee gave him the prestigious Pulitzer Prize for reporting. Actually, for lying..in order to serve his Soviet pals.

All of that is true. And well established. And incontrovertible. And today, TODAY!, you can walk right into the New York Times building in the liberal paradise of Manhatten and see Duranty's Pulitzer Prize on display. Yes. On display. Because the libs who run the paper don't have the decency to remove a prize awarded to their reporter who spent a decade lying about the murdering communists.

How's that for a conspiracy?

I also noticed that you didn't comment on the actual letter Ted Kennedy wrote to the Soviet leaders attempting to work out an arrangement where the Soviet leadership and lefties here could work together to oppose Reagan.

crickmore: "Khomeni was playing both sides of the street too."

You've got nothing crickmore.

What actual, tangible, evidence exists for your charges?

None.

Which is why the slightly less insane left wouldn't touch this insanity with a 10' pole.

Where are the investigation... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Where are the investigations for Bush adminstration war crimes? Zero, because Obama wants to look to the future, like Clinton did after Reagan and Bush 41, and Bush 43 after Clinton.

Obama has being saying he inherited the worse recession since the depression, what is he supposed to say? Wall Street came very close to collapsing, it was a meltdown. The share values, and the value of most everyone's savings, in the last five months of 2008 plummeted over 100 percent.

FDR and WW2 are credited with taking the US out of the depression. and that took a dozen years.

Yes I agree, Duranty was a ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Yes I agree, Duranty was a larcenous idiot. Have you read Malcolm Muggeridge`s memoirs when he was a colleague of Duranty's in the Soviet Union?

Muggeridge would have no respect for the falsehoods of the Reagan election team led by William Casey. He was very mean and slippery Casey, don't you recall? Nothing would surprise me about him.

Evidence, I have given you the testimony of Israelis, Iranians and CIA men Casey was mneeting with what more do you want? Do you want Casey`s deathbed confession I can give you that too.

Do you know what Casey did during World War 2?

Casey was the chief of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), overseeing secret intelligence operations for Europe (1944). So you mean to think that Casey, one of Donavan's boys for six as Reagans election campaign manager doesn`t get involved in cloak and dagger work.-i will skip the dagger -when the most crucial national security issue of the hostages in Iran is occurring. mnnnn, In a tight election if the hostages had been returned in October or earlier Carter would have won for sure, and Casey would not have become CIA director for the next four years. Most in the CIA didn't like Carter anymore than you do.

If you think Reagan, Casey,... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

If you think Reagan, Casey, Kissinger officials in the CIA , like Copeland are naive ,what do you think about Khomeni

Bani-Sadr ( future Iranian president) said he first learned of the Republican "secret deal" with Iranian radicals in July 1980 after Reza Passendideh, a nephew of Ayatollah Khomeini, attended a meeting with Iranian financier Cyrus Hashemi and Republican lawyer Stanley Pottinger in Madrid on July 2, 1980.

Though Passendideh was expected to return with a proposal from the Carter administration, Bani-Sadr said Passendideh instead carried a plan "from the Reagan camp."

"Passendideh told me that if I do not accept this proposal, they [the Republicans] would make the same offer to my [radical Iranian] rivals. He further said that they [the Republicans] have enormous influence in the CIA," Bani-Sadr wrote. "Lastly, he told me my refusal of their offer would result in my elimination."

Bani-Sadr said he resisted the threats and sought an immediate release of the American hostages, but it was clear to him that the wily Khomeini was playing both sides of the U.S. political street.

And as for the Congressional investiagation into the October Surprise investigated by Hyde,(D) they are leaned on considerably.

#24, Jay Tea"And ... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

#24, Jay Tea

"And note that plenty of WMDs were found in Iraq, and some were even used against US troops by terrorists. But once they were discovered, the left shifted the goalposts from "No WMDs" to "no massive stockpiles." "

I think that qualifies as the biggest lie you have said here. Unless you are counting artillery shells, and other large conventional weapons as weapons of mass destruction, which they are not, you are full or crap.
From wikipedia "A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large numbers of humans (and other life forms) and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general."

In his final word, the CIA's top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has "gone as far as feasible" and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

"After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted," wrote Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group, in an addendum to the final report he issued last fall."

Show me a link to one story about a US soldier being killed by a WMD in Iraq. If there were such a story it would have been front page news for weeks and we never would have heard the end of it.

Jay, you sir are a flat out liar.

jeffL the hopeless: "I thin... (Below threshold)
Drago:

jeffL the hopeless: "I think that qualifies as the biggest lie you have said here. Unless you are counting artillery shells, and other large conventional weapons as weapons of mass destruction, which they are not, you are full or crap.
From wikipedia "A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large numbers of humans (and other life forms) and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general."

Hey Chuckles, I don't know how to tell you this, seeing as how you are clearly a lefty and simply loooooove the UN AND Wikipedia, but, uh, actually, the definition of "Weapon of Mass Destruction" does not come from an open source/no validation website which cannot even be used for research for most academic departments of major universities!

Actually, the operable definition for Weapon of Mass Destruction comes to us via the UN. If you peruse it, I believe you will find that the defnition of Weapon of Mass Destruction provided by that "Citadel of Truth" Wikipedia comes up just a weeee bit short.

Like you.

In fact, if you, JeffL, take a walk down memory lane, you'll perhaps recall that your lefty pals were claiming that the US was in violation of UN protocols due to the fact that the US used White Phosphorous in the some of the ordinance used for marking targets.

So, allow me to sum up the position of JeffL and his lefty pals: Saddam Hussein, a sweet and delightful fellow who never meant anyone any real harm but who did, in a momentary oversight, use nerve gas on his own people, did not possess any weapons of mass destruction (nor even a program for developing any WMD), BUT!, BUT! the US was guilty of using WMD for utilizing ordnance containing White Phosphorous.

Brilliant JeffyL! Brilliant!

Behold America, the superior "Logic of the Left"!

Hey, isn't it about time for obambi to be awarded another Nobel prize?

Just sayin'.....

Sarah Palin, Christine O'Do... (Below threshold)
Maddox:

Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and George Bush. The left will always show you who they fear by who they hate most.
George Bush had his faults, we know what they were, and we admit them. We do not idolize him but his class, his courage after 9/11, and his respect for America, the troops, and our heritage earned much admiration and respect. History will treat him much kinder than the crowd of crooks running wild in Washington.

What constitutes a successf... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

What constitutes a successful internet troll?

It is not that he wins arguments - although he may well believe he does - because that is irrelevant to his purpose. His goal is to divert the discussion from the topic and make it about himself, or some other topic (the skillful choose a somewhat related topic to make a seamless transition).

In the end, their ultimate goal is a flame war, derailing any rational discussion at all.

Jim, I'm going to feed the ... (Below threshold)

Jim, I'm going to feed the troll.

A Weapon of Mass Destruction is defined as a nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon.

In Saddam's case, he had plenty of chemical weapons. Many of them were artillery shells filled with poison gas.

Terrorists in Iraq used quite a few of those shells in IEDs against US and coalition forces.

Note this story about Sarin gas being used against US forces, and the reference to a prior attack involving mustard gas.

Was a US soldier killed by a WMD? No, because the terrorists were incompetent. They only injured them.

So take your "biggest lie I've ever told" and shove it up your ass.

J.

"I think that qualifies ... (Below threshold)
914:

"I think that qualifies as the biggest lie you have said here. Unless you are counting artillery shells, and other large conventional weapons as weapons of mass destruction, which they are not, you are full or crap."

Hey shit for brains, do you have any idea how stupid you appear?

No, obviously.

Bush's respect for... (Below threshold)
VerbalPaintball:
Bush's respect for Ted Kennedy in his 'No Child Left Behind' program, for instance. Obama, on the other hand, was resolved to accomplish things his own way, so much so that he not only ignored republicans but many fellow democrats in crafting his policies.

Big difference here. Bush had the support of much of the democratic party during his tenure (take a look at the votes). That's the one benefit you get from the democrats. They are willing to compromise.

Obama, despite many failings, has had nothing but block opposition from the republicans his entire time in office - EVEN ON ISSUES THEY VOTED WITH BUSH ON. Much of their ideas can be found in all the reform bills voted into law - but they still voted against them because they are, by and large, crybabies and sore loser. It had nothing to do with actual conviction. And, personally, the idea of giving creative control of bills to the people who sent us into a financial abyss due to THEIR bad legislation is absurd. You didn't get to control these bills because you people failed us - continuously.

If we're going to talk truth here, it's got to be 360.

Jay You are kidding me r... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jay You are kidding me right with that link you gave me right.
"Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the results were from a field test, which can be imperfect, and said more analysis was needed. If confirmed, it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war."

"Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED. Tests conducted by the Iraqi Survey Group (search) -- a U.S. organization searching for weapons of mass destruction -- and others concluded the mustard gas was "stored improperly," which made the gas "ineffective."

That was a hell of an article. Thanks for making my point for me teabag.

Drago....someday you will a... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Drago....someday you will actually make an argument. PS...what is your definition of WMD?

VerbalPB, among other reaso... (Below threshold)
DJ Drummond:

VerbalPB, among other reasons, republicans voted as a block against Obama's proposals because he locked them out of the very meetings he promised would be 'open to all'.

And by the way, you had a strong majority in the House and a Super-majority in the Senate. So if even no republican voted for them, Obama only had to get the democrats behind him.

Obama pissed off too many on his own team to get that done.

You better face up to that son, your hypocrisy only makes you look even more stupid.

"I think that qualifies as ... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

"I think that qualifies as the biggest lie you have said here. Unless you are counting artillery shells, and other large conventional weapons as weapons of mass destruction, which they are not, you are full or crap."

Hey shit for brains, do you have any idea how stupid you appear?

No, obviously.


LOL

And by the way, you... (Below threshold)
VerbalPaintball:

And by the way, you had a strong majority in the House and a Super-majority in the Senate. So if even no republican voted for them, Obama only had to get the democrats behind him.

Obama pissed off too many on his own team to get that done.

Don't think he "pissed off" anyone at all. The Senate, behind Reid (as I've said many times elsewhere) are pussies. They chose to hide behind some unattainable cross-party vote.

But to suggest republicans had no seat at the table early on is bullshit. They did. On several bills. But their attitude was my way or the highway, and your way got us into this mess. So, no, they are not going to get a majority opinion about anything and didn't deserve it. Did democrats have ANY seat at the table for eight years? Democrats weren't even allowed a partial voice on anything so spare me the whining. Some of us actually remember past two years ago.

So yes, later in the process, they didn't have a seat because they didn't deserve one. But their ideas were still included. What the hell did you expect - to have EVERYTHING included after you nearly sunk the country with your bad management? Give me a break.

In my opinion, the best thing Obama could have done is treat you idiots the way you treated us - just not talk to or regard you at all. But he didn't to his own detriment.

"In fact, if you, JeffL, ta... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

"In fact, if you, JeffL, take a walk down memory lane, you'll perhaps recall that your lefty pals were claiming that the US was in violation of UN protocols due to the fact that the US used White Phosphorous in the some of the ordinance used for marking targets."

Wrong. They said they were in violation of the UN protocols because the used the willie pete as a weapon. Which for the record I have no problem with. A couple terrorists turned into a puddle because they were covered in white phosphorous sounds about perfect to me.

"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against civilians, he said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4440664.stm


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WASHINGTON (AFX) - The US today defended the use of white phosphorus munitions against insurgents in Iraq last year but denied civilians were targeted.

The toxic agent was used during what a US army journal called 'shake and bake' missions against insurgents in the battle for Fallujah last year.

'It's part of our conventional weapons inventory. We use it like we use any other conventional weapon,' said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman.

Whitman said he had no knowledge of any civilian victims of attacks with white phosphorus.

'We don't target any civilians with any of our weapons, and to suggest US forces were targeting civilians with these weapons would be wrong,' he said.

'We don't target civilian populations. We go to great lengths to do everything possible to prevent civilian casualties, and collateral damage to property,' he said.

Reports that white phosphorous was used in Fallujah has thrust the US into a new controversy over Iraq war tactics.

But another Defense Department spokesman highlighted that white phosphorous has been used by armies around the world for the past century.

A yellowish substance with a pungent smell similar to garlic, white phosphorous erupts spontaneously into fire when exposed to oxygen, releasing a dense white smoke.

Incandescent particles of white phosphorus can cause deep, painful chemical burns, said GlobalSecurity.Org, a Washington group that gathers information on military subjects.

A report on the battle of Fallujah published in April in the army journal Field Artillery said white phosphorous 'proved to be an effective and versatile munition' in Fallujah.

'We used it for screening missions at two breeches and, later in the fight, as a potent psychological weapon against the insurgents in trench lines and spider holes when we could not get effects on them with HE (high explosives),' said the report.

'We fired 'shake and bake' missions at the insurgents, using WP to flush them out and HE to take them out,' it said.

'We used improved WP for screening missions when HC smoke would have been more effective and saved our WP for lethal missions,' it said.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2005/11/16/afx2341690.html

John, to compare Obama's va... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

John, to compare Obama's vacations to GW is plain stupid. When you go to Spain, or Martha Vinyard, it takes teams of secret service and local police to secure the area while on the Crawford Ranch, they were remote with few roads leading to it. It is much easier to maintain security and obviously (to the people with intellect) much less expensive. Plus, he always went there so the plan never changed. How you cannot see that is not beyond me. You are a liberal you refuse to acknowledge the logic.

You other trolls who continue to believe that GW Bush was the only person that believed Iraq had WMD's what can I say? It just makes you look ignorant and petty. I would advise looking into the history of the beliefs at the time and how firmly most countries and leaders believed it before you spout off the party line. It makes you seem dense. ww

So if a POTUS is supposed t... (Below threshold)
GianiD:

So if a POTUS is supposed to anticipate and prevent it, does that mean BHO gets an epic fail for 10% unemployment, continued slow economy, NO job creation in the future, and unimaginable debt?




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