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The Price Of Astroturf

These past few weeks haven't been very good for those who dismiss the "George Soros is an evil genius out to remake the world" notion as a whacked-out conspiracy theory.

First up, the liberal religious coalition known as Sojourners had to walk back a little on their previous statements regarding their funding sources. It went from "we got nothing from George Soros" to "we got nothing from George Soros, if by 'nothing' you mean $325,000 funneled through one of his favorite front groups."

So much for Sojourner's Truth.

Then, it was announced that Soros had given (openly, this time) $100 million dollars -- that's $100,000,000 -- to Human Rights Watch. This isn't a matter of Soros buying the group; he didn't need to. They already agree with much of his anti-Zionist, anti-Western prejudices. This was simply a matter of rewarding them for agreeing with him, and helping them advance his agenda.

Now, it turns out that the liberal Jewish activist group, "J Street," which has billed itself as a liberal (but officially non-partisan) activist group that pushed for a "new" approach to peace in the Middle East (which seemed to boil down to "Israel, you lay down your weapons and make nice, and the Arabs will then put down theirs and everyone will sing Kumbayah") and bashed the traditional supporters of Israel.

Oh, and they really, really didn't like neocons like me. And they don't care much for Soros -- they've been accused from the outset of being lackeys of his, and have denied it. In fact, Soros explicitly said he wasn't going to get involved with J Street, and their head actually whined that it sucked how they were getting all the drawbacks of being tied to Soros, and none of the benefits.

Well, it turns out that their funding has a pretty narrow base. Since they were established in 2008, they've raised about 1.6 million dollars. Roughly half came from some guy in Hong Kong that nobody seems to know anything about, and another third came from Soros, his family, and his front groups. Which means that only about one dollar in six came from anyone else.

And Mr. Ben-Ami is currently being fitted with a Pinocchio nose.

It might be time to dust off the old pictures of Soros as Dr. Evil...


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Oh, and they really, rea... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Oh, and they really, really didn't like neocons like me.

And why would that be? The Neocons have done sooo much for the USA.

Why, just look at all of the benefits that have flowed from their war in Iraq. It's been great for the economy and financed itself, just like Wolfy said it would.

Galoob, I know you'd dearly... (Below threshold)

Galoob, I know you'd dearly love to change the subject to anything BUT Soros' schemes and machinations, but I ain't biting.

If you don't have anything to add to the subject, feel free to have a big ol' cup of STFU.

On the house.

J.

you're right galoob, it has... (Below threshold)
swift boater:

you're right galoob, it has done nothing at all for the US' security. As anyone knows A--Qaeda never ever could have been in Iraq. No way. And Persians could never work with Arabs also. O wait...

Besides, they are just little dirty brown people; we don't care if they are slaughtered, tortured, raped, beaten by some petty tyrant. We Americans are just racist Islamophobes anyway.

Teabag tough guy...explain ... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Teabag tough guy...explain to me how Soros is any different from the Koch brothers?

Well, for starters, I don't... (Below threshold)

Well, for starters, I don't think the Koches have ever been convicted of felonies, or collaborated with Nazis...

J.

Got any links to back up t... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Got any links to back up those claims?

Common knowledge, Jeff. Dur... (Below threshold)

Common knowledge, Jeff. During the Holocaust, Soros (a concealed Jew) traveled around with Nazis, helping them confiscate Jews' property. And his conviction on violating French currency laws is also public record.

J.

"I don't think the Koches h... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"I don't think the Koches have ever been convicted of felonies, or collaborated with Nazis..."


Just because Soros made his billions by sending untold numbers of British retirees into the poor house and just because he worked with the Nazis to send countless Jews to their deaths in the gas chambers there isn't any reason to hold these things against him....

Wait, yes there is. Never mind.

hey galoob where's that oil... (Below threshold)

hey galoob where's that oil that the war was for?

Real story here is who rele... (Below threshold)
Steve:

Real story here is who released these confidential financial documents and why ? J-Street has built up many enemies on the right with connections, this release is proof of their power. The timing of the story seems funny. Obama launches his bold new push for peace with J-Street as a prominent supporter. Right as that very process starts a revelation which seems masterfully executed to bedazzle J-Street & confuse it's membership at the very moment the process begins. Leaking the SOROS funding story during this period seems intended to leave J-Street and it's supporters spending the next few months chasing it's own tail attempting to protecting it's image rather then spending this crucial period focusing on supporting the push for peace. The timing suggest this is not solely about destroying J-Street but also about knocking out a prominent supporter of the president's peace agenda during the first rounds thereby harming it's prospects. This story by the right leaning Washington Times is either evil or simply smells of it. I agree J-Street was wrong about not being more forthcoming. They flubbed this one up and I hope they will be more transparent with the press in the future. None of this takes away from the good that they do and or sincerity of their many members. There are forces out there who want peace to fail (whether they openly acknowledge that or not). J-Street biggest failing in this instance was to underestimate the connections and power of their detractors.

Good grief Jeff ever hear o... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Good grief Jeff ever hear of google?

10 seconds will bring you 1.4 million hits and links to the 60 Minutes interview where he said that he has "no guilt what so ever" for his role in confiscating the property of Jews and sending them to death camps.

Soro's predatory currency speculation forced the devaluing of the Pound and resulted in many British retirees having their life savings rendered worthless.

Ok maybe Reagan was wrong and sometimes liberals really are just plain ignorant of the facts.

Just remember that liberal's funding is blood money.

So, Steve, you're cool with... (Below threshold)

So, Steve, you're cool with J Street lying over and over about just who was funding them? And you're more concerned with the whistle-blower than with the underlying deception they exposed?

Got it.

J.

Steve,I'm sorry. ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve,

I'm sorry. What exactly IS the President's 'Peace Agenda". All I have seen is an attempt to isolate Israel, to reflexively accept anti-Semitic criticism of Israel, to insult and embarrass its leaders, to promote the arab victim narrative, and systematically damage our country's credibility and influence within Israel.

Some "Peace Agenda".

Soro's funding actually IS relevant as he has been demonstrated to be an anti-Semite and Nazi collaborator. His support of obama's agenda should make people question what exactly is the aim of that agenda.

"I hope they will be more t... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I hope they will be more transparent with the press in the future."

Wake up. The left goes OUT OF IT'S WAY to avoid transparency with any funding source.

Jim and teabagYou ... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jim and teabag

You mean in 1944 in Hungary when Soros was 13 he handed out deportation notices to Jews? Where he says that his father told him to deliver the notices and to tell the people that if they report they will be deported? That is what you call sending Jews to the death camps? Or was it when his father sent him to live with a Hungarian official that was in charge of confiscating Jewish property? Sending Jews to the death camps?......laughable....absolutely laughable.

WOW, a post about Soros and... (Below threshold)
howcome:

WOW, a post about Soros and the trolls go into defensive mode. Jeff, I assume you have checked the facts and have educated yourself on Soros now that you were given a clue where to search. What do you have to say about the left's biggest funding source?

Wow. Some people have no pr... (Below threshold)

Wow. Some people have no problem with being apologists for a self-professed kapo.

howcome......keep reading b... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

howcome......keep reading buddy......might be hard for you to understand....i'll try to keep it simple for you.

If there's nothing wrong wi... (Below threshold)
John:

If there's nothing wrong with the funding source why did they work so hard to hide it? Why not stand up and loudly proclaim we receive funding from George Soros and his front groups?

ak4mcYou obviously... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

ak4mc

You obviously have no idea what the work "kapo" means. Fantastic argument though.

Jeff, I will ask again are ... (Below threshold)
howcome:

Jeff, I will ask again are you proud of having Soros being the major funding source for the left? Keep it slow so I can understand.

howcomeI'm still t... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

howcome

I'm still trying to figure it out. So far I have figured out that his supposed nazi collaboration looks pretty weak. He made a lot of money in currency speculation in England that some seem to think was criminal, yet he was never charged with a crime. He was convicted of a felony in France for insider trading in 1988, which I am not going to defend. He was fined $2.3 million.

OK Jeff we get it, you thin... (Below threshold)
John:

OK Jeff we get it, you think Soros is a fine upstanding human great. Convicted felon and Nazi collaborator (weak as that tea maybe to you)and all. Now why is it that the J-Street project is so worried about his funding of their project that they would lie about it?

Anyone notice that at 1:23,... (Below threshold)

Anyone notice that at 1:23, Jeff L was asking for links regarding the allegations, but by 2:13, he'd learned the standard Soros-apologist talking points? Is he a really fast learner, or what?

J.

I also find it interesting ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

I also find it interesting that when the Pope was drafted into the WW2 German army (and deserted) the left was so very quick to call him a Nazi.
Soros, however, aids the Nazis in rounding up his fellow jews. And while people will do alot to stay alive, and he was only a teen, decades later he has no remorse for what he did.
And the left fully defends him...
I've had to be the trigger man in firing people. Not my choice. And I regret doing it. I cannot imagine sending people to their death and feeling nothing...

SCSI I've had to let people... (Below threshold)
John:

SCSI I've had to let people go as well it's a terrible feeling and 50 years from now I'll still feel terrible about it. I also don't understand why if Soros is such a great human that these groups try to hide the fact that he's funding them. I've asked our friend Jeff twice he just doesn't have an answer I guess.

JT and Ahmedinejad both hat... (Below threshold)
galoob:

JT and Ahmedinejad both hate Soros, whose Open Society Institute is doing work in Iran that the Iranian regime was threatened by.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6679779.stm
http://www.soros.org/newsroom/news/esfandiari_20070821

It's not surprising they both hate him, being statist warmongering authoritarians of different flavors, JT of the Neocon kind, Ahmedinnejad of the Shia Islam type.

Soros uses money to try to bring democracy by grants to civil society organizations and schools, neocons like JT try to bring "democracy" at the point of a gun.

The Open Society Institute also spent a lot of money in Eastern Europe after the fall of the Wall helping reform those countries into market democracies.

Of course, Soros is not in favor of the Likud Party platform, seeing it as a folly for Israel and apartheid oppression for the Palestinian Arabs. So he has be be attacked by the propaganda machine.

You can't say that Soros is any worse than His Holiness Pope Benedict, who was a Hitler Youth and then spent his war shooting down Allied planes. Except that Soros was only 13 years old in 1944 and Ratzinger was 17 and was on active duty in the Nazi Wehrmacht for a couple of years.

Double standards, anyone? By the way, be sure to tune into CNN for its report on Ratzinger, "What the Pope Knew," tonight at 8 pm Eastern.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/24/sex-abuse-victim-learns-of-pope%E2%80%99s-role/

hey galoob where's that oil that the war was for?

Hey, I wish we did get some oil out of the Iraq war, but we got a big fat zip, actually $2 trillion less than zip. The Iraqi oil contracts have mostly gone to Chinese, Russians and Euros, how's that for gratitude? Maybe they'll sell it to us.

So galoob if the pope's bad... (Below threshold)
John:

So galoob if the pope's bad then so is soros, or if the pope's good so is soros? Oh and his work in Iran(what ever that is) is going great so far, what are they about 2 weeks from having a bomb? The question still stands if this guy is so GD great why do these groups hide the fact he's behind their money? I suspect he's got a bit more baggage than you'd like to admit. Oh and as far the pope .... oh look a kitty. Maybe Jay will do something on the pope and you can kick him around there.

Galoob,Wait. Libs... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Galoob,

Wait. Libs complained that Iraq was wrong because it was a war for oil. Now you are complaining that it was wrong because it wasn't a war for oil?

WTF? Are you just stupid or do you lack any foundational beliefs? Never mind. I just answered my own question (it was both).

There are other words for t... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

There are other words for the phrase "foundational beliefs," such as "preconceived notions" or "prejudices."

One shouldn't be proud of the fact that one has "foundational beliefs," if that means sticking one's fingers in one's ears when those beliefs are challenged.

galoob, instead of regurgit... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

galoob, instead of regurgitation, do some reading. During the Hitler era, if you were 'a youth', you were in the Hitler Youth. It was not a voluntary organization. As for the "Nazi Wehrmacht", there was the 'Wehrmacht" (German Army) and the SS (Schutzstaffel) - that was both a political, paramilitary (police) and military. Ratzinger - as noted, was drafted and later deserted.

All of which is off-topic - since Soros is the topic. Soros is for an "Open Society", so why does he go out of his way - as do those he supports - to conceal who he gives monetary support to?

All I can say about Soros i... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

All I can say about Soros is he does not spend his money wisely. He has paid out billions to control the liberal narrative and the left is having their ass handed to them. He is not getting any bang for his buck.

The left has basically had two core views that are unshakable and very evident. They hate the military and they hate the State of Israel. Examples by the thousands over the years. Now they also do not care much for America. ww

"Just how would your ancest... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Just how would your ancestors have replied to a German teenager in 1942 stating, "I have to support the German army, my brother is in it"?"

You're argument is asinine on it's face. The army wasn't running the government, nor dictating how it would act.

Galoob, you are a liar, not... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Galoob, you are a liar, nothing less.
The Pope was conscripted into the Hitler Youth at 14, as were all German Youth fit to serve (healthy, not Jewish, not Gypsies etc). While in Seminary he was drafted into the army. And he deserted.
You're proving my point however.

GF,I will continue... (Below threshold)
galoob:

GF,

I will continue to call it the Nazi Wehrmacht, as its members gave a personal oath of loyalty to Adolph Hitler and wore the swastika insignia of the Nazi Party on their uniforms.

Wait. Libs complained that Iraq was wrong because it was a war for oil. Now you are complaining that it was wrong because it wasn't a war for oil?

Who said I'm a liberal? I don't like labels, but paleoconservative realist is more like it.

We waged that neocon war for exactly what? So we have an Iranian dominated Iraq which is going to show us the door in a year after we "liberated" them at the cost of 4423 fine young Americans and $2 trillion? You're damn right I wish we got something out of it for that.

Anyways, back to Soros. I find it interesting that Ashland U, the Christian college which hosted the blog post attacking Soros and the pacifist Sojourners linked by JT, also has no tolerance for the teachings of Ayn Rand: http://www.thefire.org/article/8226.html

I also find it amusing but also sickening that Soros is smeared because of his actions as a 13 year old threatened with instant death by the Nazis, while Ratzinger the 17 year old member of the Nazis gets a pass because he deserted a week before the surrender -- after two years killing Americans and Brits, and after being a Hitler Youth.

Leave no stone unturned:</p... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Leave no stone unturned:

Soros is for an "Open Society", so why does he go out of his way - as do those he supports - to conceal who he gives monetary support to?

How's he hiding it? Did you read the linked Ashbrook post and the World Magazine article it linked to?

The Open Society Institute's tax returns show that it made three grants to Sojourners between 2004 and 2007, for a total of $325,000.
I mentioned that in 2004 Sojourners, Jim's organization, received $200,000 from billionaire George Soros, a financier of left-wing groups that push for abortion, atheism, bigger government, and other causes. I had a printout of a page from the website of the Open Society Institute--Soros is OSI's founder, funder, and chairman--showing the grant.

How's that hiding anything? All you have to do is go to the website: http://www.soros.org/regions/united_states

galoob you hate lables and ... (Below threshold)
John:

galoob you hate lables and yet in the very next paragraph we get "neocons". So it's ok to label other's so long as they don't lable you.

You live in a country that has all sorts of ways to correct mistakes (you're about to see that first hand in Nov). WW2 Germany was no such country, so I'll give soros and the pope a pass on what they had to do then. What I won't do is give soros a pass for feeling no regret for what he did, that's unforgivable. And before you start with the prove it crap, he said it himself.

teabagAnyone notic... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

teabag

Anyone notice that at 1:23, Jeff L was asking for links regarding the allegations, but by 2:13, he'd learned the standard Soros-apologist talking points? Is he a really fast learner, or what?

You are a hell of a detective. Keep up the good fight.

I still want to know what t... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

I still want to know what teabag and the rest of his pals here think Soros did in nazi controlled Hungary as a teenager.

wwThe left has basic... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

ww
The left has basically had two core views that are unshakable and very evident. They hate the military and they hate the State of Israel. Examples by the thousands over the years. Now they also do not care much for America. ww

Your posts get better and better. You know about as much on this subject as you do about the Apostles from your comments in a previous post.

galoob you hate lables a... (Below threshold)
galoob:

galoob you hate lables and yet in the very next paragraph we get "neocons".

Hey, JT labeled himself a "neocon," I didn't. I give him credit for not running away from it despite the record of neocon failures.

So the Pope volunteered to ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

So the Pope volunteered to be in the Hitler Youth?
Again, you prove the point galoob. You'll defend Soros' involvement in Nazi activities but you'll condemn the Pope...

So from galoob we learn tha... (Below threshold)
jim m:

So from galoob we learn that Soros, who has been concealing his support of J Street, is actually some "open society" supporter and his saying so somehow is apparently an inoculation against the fact that he in fact conceals who he gives money to.

Jeff L repeatedly fails to see that Soros has admitted that his collaboration with the nazis resulted in people being herded into box cars and sent to their deaths. He asks what should soros have done. The answer is 1) He should have sought a way to resist (I'm not saying that he needs to have found one) and 2) He should have some feeling for the many people who he conspired to exterminate.

He has said publicly that he feels nothing for them. Inability to feel remorse or guilt is a serious character flaw. It means that he feels nothing about betraying his closest supporters and family if he believes it will gain him something. In fact he has said that this is indeed the lesson he learned from WWII, that any means is worth the end of bettering his own position.

Libs should be careful because he will sell them out to the next dictator that guarantees his wealth and safety. If he was willing to send people in Hungary to the death camps without a second thought he is willing to throw you under the nearest bus just as quickly.

Again, you prove the poi... (Below threshold)
galoob:

Again, you prove the point galoob. You'll defend Soros' involvement in Nazi activities but you'll condemn the Pope...

For those who are unaware, Soros is a Jew of Hungarian origin. So he had to live through the Holocaust. Criticizing him for his one act - delivering deportation notices at age 13 - and calling it "Nazi activities" is like condemning the Jewish slave laborers at the Auschwitz arms factories for working to help Nazi arms production. It's blaming the victim, and a child victim at that. Despicable.

On the other hand, Ratzinger was older, a member of the "master race," and went along with the Nazi system until he was aged 18 and deserted only a couple of weeks before the war ended. I don't condemn him too much, but there is no comparison between Ratzinger's situation and Soros's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_of_Pope_Benedict_XVI#Military_service_.281943.E2.80.931945.29

Jeff LYou obviousl... (Below threshold)

Jeff L

You obviously have no idea that the author of this post is an actual person, not a package. So, what credibility should we give you on any other matter?

If nothing else, Soros can'... (Below threshold)
galoob:

If nothing else, Soros can't be a bad guy if JT, Ahmadinejad, Putin and David Duke all hate him. By his enemies shall you know him:

Soros is also "an evil Rothschild agent."
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=201

"Putin Stands Up to the New World Order"

Putin also said that he opposed the Soros/Freedom House/CIA sponsored revolutions that seem to be all the rage these days. "A system of permanent revolutions, rose revolutions, or others is very dangerous. We must learn to live according to the law, which is my greatest concern, and not by political expediency that is considered somewhere else for one people or another," was his response to a reporter's question regarding his position on the current political situation in Ukraine. He said that it was like a football match that had its rules changed once it already began.

http://www.davidduke.com/general/putin-stands-up-to-the-new-world-order_188.html

Jeff L repeatedly fails to ... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jeff L repeatedly fails to see that Soros has admitted that his collaboration with the nazis resulted in people being herded into box cars and sent to their deaths. He asks what should soros have done.

I never asked that....thanks for putting words in my mouth.

You have one link to a story that is not a blog that backs up the bs you are spouting? Douobtful, because I haven't been able to find one.

Here I'll help you out
"Columnist claimed Soros "collaborated with the Nazis" to survive Holocaust. In a September 5 Toronto Sun column (accessed via Nexis), Ezra Levant wrote of Soros:

When the Nazis took total control of Hungary in 1944, the Holocaust followed. In two months, 440,000 Hungarian Jews were deported to death camps.

To survive, George, then a teenager, collaborated with the Nazis.

First he worked for the Judenrat. That was the Jewish council set up by the Nazis to do their dirty work for them. Instead of the Nazis rounding up Jews every day for the trains, they delegated that murderous task to Jews who were willing to do it to survive another day at the expense of their neighbours.

Theodore hatched a better plan for his son. He bribed a non-Jewish official at the agriculture ministry to let George live with him. George helped the official confiscate property from Jews.

By collaborating with the Nazis, George survived the Holocaust. He turned on other Jews to spare himself."

Then there is this.

"This is what actually happened. Shortly after George went to live with Baumbach, the man was assigned to take inventory on the vast estate of Mor Kornfeld, an extremely wealthy aristocrat of Jewish origin. The Kornfeld family had the wealth, wisdom, and connections to be able to leave some of its belongings behind in exchange for permission to make their way to Lisbon. Baumbach was ordered to go to the Kornfeld estate and inventory the artworks, furnishings, and other property. Rather than leave his "godson" behind in Budapest for three days, he took the boy with him. As Baumbach itemized the material, George walked around the grounds and spent time with Kornfeld's staff. It was his first visit to such a mansion, and the first time he rode a horse. He collaborated with no one and he paid attention to what he understood to be his primary responsibility: making sure that no one doubted that he was Sandor Kiss."

And finally

"Sun issues correction, apologizes to Soros. In a September 18 correction, the Toronto Sun, Sun Media, and Levant retracted the false Nazi collaborator claim and apologized:

On September 5, 2010, a column by Ezra Levant contained false statements about George Soros and his conduct as a young teenager in Nazi-occupied Hungary.

Upon receiving a letter of complaint from Mr. Soros's legal counsel on September 13, 2010, Sun Media Corporation always intended to publish a retraction and apology for this column. Despite constant efforts on both sides, Sun Media and Mr. Soros's counsel were unable to reach agreement on the content of a retraction.

The management of Sun Media wishes to state that there is no basis for the statements in the column and they should not have been made.

Sun Media, this newspaper and Ezra Levant retract the statements made in the column and unreservedly apologize to Mr. Soros for the distress and harm this column may have caused to him."
http://mediamatters.org/research/201009200038

Jeff LYou obviousl... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jeff L

You obviously have no idea that the author of this post is an actual person, not a package. So, what credibility should we give you on any other matter?

We're talking about Soro's here..try to concentrate.

libs, so are we to take it ... (Below threshold)
John:

libs, so are we to take it from all the this defense of Soros that you think his ideas for our country and his methods are all OK. You're ok with how he makes his money and how much of it he has? You're just fine with his lack of remorse for his actions in WW2 (I've already agreed he did what he felt he had to). In generally you're A-OK with George. If that's the case for the 5th or 6th time why do these groups lie about his funding of their operations? If all that he stands for is so great what don't we see people shouting from the roof tops about the wonder that is Soros? I suspect it's like a lot of thing on the left the raw truth would prove to be too unpopular.

Galoob,Pay attenti... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Galoob,

Pay attention. It isn't so much the act, but rather the fact that he is unmoved and unsympathetic to those he helped condemn. He was a willing conspirator and he doesn't feel anything for the people who died while he did nothing.

I rather suspect that galoob, like much of the left defends Soros because Soros bankrolls the left. The Pope doesn't throw money at the left or its pet organizations so he gets no such consideration.

At 13 Soros delivered deportation notices to Jews. At 14 he collected their property. He denies guilt by saying if he had not been there someone else would have (sorry that's no excuse). He goes further to say that since someone else very likely would have done it in his stead it was as though he wasn't doing it at all.

"if I weren't there- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would-would-would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the-whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the-I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt."

He has dissociated the entirety of the event of which he says, "I would say that that's when my character was made..."

Great man. He does evil and since he can conceive that someone else would do it if he doesn't, he believes that he is fully justified in doing it himself so he gets the financial benefit. He's warped. People taking money from him are taking money gained through the suffering of innocent people.

But libs don't care that this man has spent a life profiting off of the misery of others. They follow the Alinski rule that, "The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means". They take his money and they don't care who died for it or who lost their retirement for it. Soros is their Bernie Madoff, but he's theirs so that makes it OK.

Jeff L,I have quot... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Jeff L,

I have quoted the 60 Minutes piece (you know the one Soros says is accurate) to condemn him.

Also I would avoid using Media Matters as a source to acquit Soros of anything since e basically funded the whole thing from its inception. They therefore are hardly an unbiased source. Dolt.

"libs, so are we to take it... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

"libs, so are we to take it from all the this defense of Soros that you think his ideas for our country and his methods are all OK. You're ok with how he makes his money and how much of it he has."

I suppose there are no conservative's that use the exact same methods, that are worth billions. How do Soro's methods vary from the koch brothers methods?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer
Or wyly brothers? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/29/AR2010072906345.html
Or rupert murdoch http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/17/AR2010081704338.html

Thing is there are extremely rich people that donate large sums of money on both sides. And it is only going to get worse with the recent Supreme Court decision that treats corporations as individuals.

Jim Who is the dol... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jim
Who is the dolt? The story is from the Toronto Sun. Does Soros own them too? I guess you can't read. Not surprising. Try again.

Jeff L,I have no p... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Jeff L,

I have no problem with the wealthy using their money in any legal way they please. I find it disgusting that libs cry all the time about their freedoms but they want to curtail everyone else's.

There is no problem with people donating money wherever they want to. I believe that we should be able to see where politically active organizations get their money. Soros has paid lip service to that idea, while setting up shell organizations to hide the fact that he funds multiple far left organizations.

If I had a problem with an organization taking money from someone I would certainly say so and complain to them if they were one I supported.

That being said the issue here is not the Koch brothers it is Soros. It matters nothing what anyone else does or did. This post and thread are about J Street and Soros. Any attempt to engage on other issues is merely an attempt to distract from the fact that Soros is a disreputable scumbag and anyone taking his money is approving of his filth.

"No guilt whatsoever"... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

"No guilt whatsoever"

That's your quote?

Here is the transcript
Kroft: "You're a Hungarian Jew ..."

Soros: "Mm-hmm."

Kroft: "... who escaped the Holocaust ..."

Soros: "Mm-hmm."

Kroft: "... by posing as a Christian."

Soros: "Right."

Kroft: "And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps."

Soros: "Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made."

Kroft: "In what way?"

Soros: "That one should think ahead. One should understand that -- and anticipate events and when, when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal threat of evil."

Kroft: "My understanding is that you went ... went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews."

Soros: "Yes, that's right. Yes."

Kroft: "I mean, that's -- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?"

Soros: "Not, not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't ... you don't see the connection. But it was -- it created no -- no problem at all."

Kroft: "No feeling of guilt?"

Soros: "No."

Kroft: "For example, that, 'I'm Jewish, and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be these, I should be there.' None of that?"

Soros: "Well, of course, ... I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in the markets -- that is I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would - would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt."
KROFT: In what way?

SOROS: That one should think ahead. One should understand and -- and anticipate events and when -- when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a -- a very personal experience of evil.

KROFT: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

SOROS: Yes. Yes.

KROFT: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

SOROS: Yes. That's right. Yes.

That makes Soros a nazi collaborator? Idiotic. Alert the nazi hunters because if that is the definition of a nazi collaborator than there are many many more out there.

JimYou cry about S... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

Jim

You cry about Soros and I counter with 3 guys that are doing the EXACT things he is doing. How many companies to the koch brothers. So its ok for the guys that donate to the gop and teaparty, but not to the dems. A little hypocritical isn't it?

What I find surprising is h... (Below threshold)

What I find surprising is how people here give credit to Soros for pushing "openness," and here are two accounts of his dumping tons of money into to advocacy groups and all concerned doing their damnedest to keep it secret. Sojourners and J Street spent years taking Soros' money and denying it. Sounds REAL open to me.

But let's also remind folks of Soros' own words from 2004: he was willing to spend as much as it takes to defeat Bush, and referred to how the transition to Democrats would be a form of "denazification."

J.

JT, Soros's Open Society In... (Below threshold)
galoob:

JT, Soros's Open Society Institute is completely open about who he gives money to, as I posted above. It's on the OSI website and their tax returns, which are public record for a non-profit.

Maybe some of the organizations who receive money are reluctant to disclose their funding because Soros and OSI have many real nasty enemies - Putin, Ahmadinnejad, neo-nazis like David Duke, Israeli extremist settler groups, and those of your neocon authoritarian ilk.

Soros can defend himself against harassment and physical harm, but smaller organizations can't.

The joke is that one could take the piece you wrote, change "Sojourners" and "J Street" to "Green Movement," "Orange Revolution," or "Middle East Program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars," translate it into Persian or Russian, and it would read as much of a propaganda piece in Kayhan or Pravda as it does here.

If Soros is so bad, why does he make such good enemies?

Jeff L,3 people wh... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Jeff L,

3 people who are doing the same thing as Soros? You mean manipulating currency markets with the purpose of making himself rich at the expense of the life savings of millions of other people?

How many of these others are convicted felons?

How many others fell no remorse at profiting off of the misery and deaths of others?

As for his nazi collaboration, yes it is that, the really offensive part is that he says that he feels nothing about what the other people suffered. He is only interested in excusing his own deeds.

The excuse you so willingly accept is that if he didn't do it someone else would have. Well I'm sorry but that is no excuse for cooperating with evil. It just so happens that 6 million Jews got gassed because people like Soros said "if it wasn't me it would have been someone else." Meanwhile people like Dietrich Bonhoeffer took a stand against it and it cost them their lives. Lives that might not have been lost if profiteering cowards like Soros would have stood up with them against evil. So what if he was a teenager. Others his same age made better choices.

He claims that his character was formed at this time and it shows. His callous manipulation of markets to hurt others for his own personal gain shows that he learned his lesson well.

You and your lib friends can keep your blood money.

"3 people who are doing the... (Below threshold)
Jeff L:

"3 people who are doing the same thing as Soros? You mean manipulating currency markets with the purpose of making himself rich at the expense of the life savings of millions of other people?"

Way to twist what I said. Talking about their political donations.

Jeff didn't you learn as a ... (Below threshold)
John:

Jeff didn't you learn as a child that 2 wrongs don't make a right, I didn't ask if there were bad conservatives, or if other people made money the same way Soros does, I asked about George Soros. So thanks for confirming what I already knew this guy is indefensible with anything but the other people do it too defense. As far as the "conservatives do it too" arguement okey dokey since I have no idea who these people you claim are either as bad or as good Soros I choose not to defend them.

I'm waiting for jim m to ma... (Below threshold)
galoob:

I'm waiting for jim m to make a courageous stand on principle, and sacrifice his life for a good cause, since he thinks that Soros should have martyred himself at age 13 rather than deliver notices that would have been delivered by the next kid.

Hey, jim m, why don't you take a trip to Pakistan and go to the tribal regions to hunt down Bin Laden? I can think of a few other noble ways to sacrifice yourself.

And, why didn't the Pope refuse to serve the Nazi regime and die like a man?

Sigh... I see I'm gonna hav... (Below threshold)

Sigh... I see I'm gonna have to spell it out for some of the clowns here.

1) While it is true that there really wasn't anything Soros could have done differently vis-a-vis the Nazis, it's simply not normal that he has no regrets or guilt over it.

2) He repeatedly and explicitly referred to the Bush administration as Nazis, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars in trying to defeat them and thwart their agenda. And he justified his extreme rhetoric by citing his own living under the Third Reich.

By themselves, they're disturbing. Combined, they paint a very disturbing picture -- the dichotomy is exceptionally jarring.

Toss in his bent for secrecy regarding his machinations -- note how the recipients of his largesse were willing to lie about his gifts for years, until uncovered and exposed -- and his own personal history -- his economic depradations meant he made billions literally at the expense of millions of elderly pensioners, just to cite one example -- and you have the portrait of a sociopath who will stop at almost nothing to advance his political agenda.

And that agenda is one I find not just wrong, but ethically heinous.

So yeah, I don't like the guy and like it when his secret attempts at puppet-mastering are exposed.

J.

galoob do you even read the... (Below threshold)
John:

galoob do you even read the comments that other's make here or do you just say crap? I think at this point everyone has basically given this guy a pass on what he actually HAD to do. The problem most of us have is his apparent lack of feeling for those he sent off to die, as Jay points out that a characteristic of a sociopath.
So again we find a liberal practicing the only defense of this guy they seem to have, the pope did it too. Or the "oh look at kitty" defense.

hmmmmm... Lot of debate as ... (Below threshold)
Knightbrigade:

hmmmmm... Lot of debate as to 'little child Soros' and his actions of lack of etc.
Also the Pope did this, and Georgie boy did that kinda stuff.

The POINT is, Georgie Soros is a POS that is trying to manipulate America and the globe to his own world view.
Even though he holds NO elective office he definetly should be targeted for the agenda/stink he has, and expose ALL that have anything to do with him.

On Nov 2nd hopefully we push back at old Georgie boy and his lefty douche puppets.

Besides isn't Georgie boy like 80 somethin.....just sayin the clocks runnin out with this clown one way or another.




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