To be fair, the most reasonable understanding of "keeper" would be "to take care of", not "to control." Liberal Christianity emphasizes taking care of others as second only to loving God, whereas evangelical Christianity emphasizes spreading the Gospel, with compassion or charity work simply one aspect of evangelism.

Similar to liberal's use of "our brother's keeper", Evangelicals routinely use the phrase "in the world, but not of the world" as though they were quoting a Bible verse, but this specific phrase is not in the Bible either.

What strikes me about Obama's profession of faith is its rather sterile nature. A significant number of people come to know God as the result of a crisis in their lives. As a result, they experience a kind of cleansing or deliverance through their salvation. It is a deeply emotional experience that routinely brings believers to tears when they give their testimony. But with Obama we have what seems to be a kind of "Mr. Spock" approach to faith, based on logic and reason and self-improvement, rather than on a real epiphany or soul-stirring encounter with God.

I'm not saying that Obama doesn't have deeply held beliefs; I really don't know, and neither does anyone else. Perhaps it is Obama's petulant college professor personality that causes him to give lectures on faith instead of making a genuine confession. But whatever the reason, his apparent lack of a deep, emotional faith experience is surely off-putting to many Americans.

I think I have a different slant on Obama's Christianity based on at least the portion of his talking shown on TV. To my way of thinking he said he had a philosophy based on the messages buried in Christianity rather than accepting Jesus as his personal savior. This is pretty much saying, "I'm not really a Christian, I just like their value system."

He's been (oddly and incorrectly) casting himself as Cain (as bizarre and ignorant as that is) for years...you'd think someone concerned about his image would have corrected him by now...maybe slipped it onto his teleprompter.

I have begun to grow weary of the general discussion of Obama's faith. Like the whole birth certificate discussion (I apologize for bringing that up)this discussion about his religion is a distraction from the disaster of his political agenda. I think he is pleased to use it as such. Then there are the weird twists on scripture he paraphases. For example he is quoted as saying "treating others as they would treat me". I guess this is his take on what Christians call the Golden Rule. To me the Golden Rule is treating others as you WISH to be treated, not as others would treat you. He does treat others the way they treat him. It is apparent if you don't show respect to him, you will in turn get treated poorly. Perhaps an "eye for an eye" sentiment? But the Golden Rule of the New Testament suggests you should treat others well despite how they treat you. Since Obama likes to use this comparison ad nauseum, yes, much like George W Bush behaved. What does his status as a Christian mean to any of his Marxist minions anyway?

What a load of bull from Obama.
He'll say anything to anyone.

If he meant what he said, then why is his aunt living in subsidized housing in Ma and receiving $700/month in disability payments?
Why is everyone BUT Obama supporting her?
With the millions the Obama's have made, why isn't he spending a fraction to move his aunt into her own place to live? Why doesn't he help his brother more?

I also notice in the initial quotes above, that as usual, it's all about him. "Treating others as they would treat ME."

You know, I tend to think his approval numbers would increase if he spoke less.

I find it certainly odd if not reprehensible that, with all of his money, and as far as we know, Obama has never made an effort to assist his aunt or his own brother financially, and he didn't even bother to attend his own mother's funeral to pay his last respects to her.

It's like he has an attitude, hey, he got his, and if they didn't get theirs, that's tough shit - not his problem.

Animals in the jungle are like that. They are born. After they're nurtured by their mother, they go their own way, feeling no obligation to their mother or to their siblings. Somewhere there, evolution in Obama's family was retarded, if you get my drift.

They took Obama out of a jungle, but they didn't take the jungle out of Obama.

I'm happy for Obama that he took Christianity under his wing, he can find the Golden Rule in Islam as well, and maybe in Buddhism, I'm not sure, but I'll bet it is there somewhere. Holy Cow, he can be a person of all religions, denying none, just like he is a "citizen of the world".

I'm more concerned about Obama's continuing habit of bearing false witness (lying) against Republicans and citizens.

Obama is an atheist, and at best an apostate muslim with muslim sympathies.

Look at the pregnant pause with the eyes fluttering while he prepares how to delete the word "Creator" from a line in our Declaration of Independence"

It was weird, like he was being programmed at that moment.

Obama is a pathetic embarrassment for an American leader.

You 52% should be ashamed of what you have foisted upon America, but we'll fix it in 2012.

Here's a tough one for you dimwits: Give me a rational explanation of what I said at #7 that was construed to be offensive. (Rational is the buzz word there.)

Do you like posting at Wizbang?
Then stop with the sock puppetry spamming of talking
to yourself under one nic after another.

In response to #7 & #11.

Easy, he wasn't raised in a jungle.

Oops, I should have specified, too, that I wanted and intelligent answer.

Soooo, in other words, you were just being bitchy.

When Barry can admit he is the wrong man for the job. I will believe he is a sincere person.

Jeremiah was his keeper. That says it all.

With his Christian upbringing, well at least 20 or so years of it, I'm suprised he didn't just come out and say Jesus wanted to damn America.

Not being able to construe that a comment has potential racial connotations would be a sign dimwitted-ness. Feigning indignation at others ability to make this observation and appropriately mark down a poor choice of wording is just simple conceit.

Rodney, Rodney, Rodney

I'm sure that your replies make perfect sense to you.

But they won't make sense to any rational person.

Your rationale is bizarre.

I'm sure that you've been told that before.

Oops, I should have specified, too, that I wanted and intelligent answer.

Rodney, see #14 ..., and oh yeah, take your meds.

LMAO

Michael Laprarie

Similar to liberal's use of "our brother's keeper", Evangelicals routinely use the phrase "in the world, but not of the world" as though they were quoting a Bible verse, but this specific phrase is not in the Bible either.

The difference is that the phrase "in the world, but not of the world" has a strong biblical foundation in John 15:19, John 17:14-17, and Romans 12:2. The phrase "our brother's keeper" has to be modified to "our brother's care giver" to even come close to the Biblical teaching of loving the Brethren. Like Obama, the liberal view of "our brother's keeper" is to use the force of law to take away from those who have earned much and give it to those who haven't. Not even in the communal living of the early church described in Acts were people compelled to part with their own property for the benefit of others. If they did so it was by their own freewill as explained in Acts 5:4.

If liberals want a Biblical foundation for the ability-to-pay principle underpinning the Federal income tax they should use the last sentence of Luke 12:48 which says "From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more." At least then liberals won't be guilty of pretending to be their brother's keeper by passing tax increases.

Mac, et al - If Obama is Christian, then he is a "social justice" Christian, which puts political aims (in this case, radical liberalism) side-by-side with the cross. It's dangerous when any Christian does this, of any political stripes.

The only person Barry worships....is Barry.

Thoughtless,

Thanks for adding to the discussion.

#24

Sounds like Biden

Big Mo,

Mac, et al - If Obama is Christian, then he is a "social justice" Christian, which puts political aims (in this case, radical liberalism) side-by-side with the cross. It's dangerous when any Christian does this, of any political stripes.

It's dangerous, as you say, but nothing new. In past centuries quasi-government institutions got away with claiming their own ideas were "Christian" by suppressing attempts to translate the Bible into the language of common people. Obviously we are past that point, but a lot can be accomplished with false Biblical teachings when the people are ignorant of the contents of the Bible and have no interest in learning it either. Liberals get a lot of mileage out of the separation of church and state doctrine, particularly the part about keeping religion out of public schools. Ok, that's wrong. It should be keeping Christianity out of public schools.

To 27, yep it's about his level. And we know Jumpin' Joe has the free time.

Hey, thought or two, I just went for a quick joke, Rodney Dill (Never met the man but great first name) gave his answer which was much better. Sorry to confuse you, just remember Clark Kent is Superman, Superman can see without wearing Clarks glasses.

Duh gawsh, Rodney, dat thur wath clever, duh, huh, huh, duh yup, it thur wath.

LOL. Can't make this stuff up, folks. They post that dorky stuff here every day.

Actually thought, I rarely post anywhere. Just pointing out the obvious was 10 second diversion. That has now lasted about a full minute, but your tirade is already beginning to bore so have a nice day.

Christins don't go around seeking to kill millins of innocent babies -case closed.

Communism is essentially an atheistic philosophy, both as conceived and as practiced.

What religious studies Obama undertook through his atheist mother and grandparents remains unclear; his muslim father seems to have been more of a drunk than anything else, and I expect when his muslim stepfather took him off to Indonesia, any religious instruction he received would not have been Christian.

Certainly, the hateful racist polemics spewing forth from the pulpit of Jeremiah Wright's "church" bore no resemblance at all to anything remotely related to Christianity.

"the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me"

Rodney Dill pegged it early, this isn't even directed at Christians outside the UCC, liberal Methodists, Lutheran and Presbyterians,..., i.e., mainstream-free thinkers. We're talking 20 million church-goers tops.

Really its targeted at all the atheists, agnostics and syncretists, e.g., Ba'hai, Unitarians, animists, etc., with a token apologia on behalf of 'precepts' originating with the kooky deists.

Christians all accept, at minimum, a confession like the Apostles, Nicene or Athanasian creeds as legitimate expression of Christian faith. Often, if responsibilities are being assumed other oaths are additionally required, acceptance of church authority, denial of Satan, etc.

This dilettante ought to make any college sophomore blush.