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Stuck In The Miner Leagues

You know, in the aftermath of the rescue of the trapped Chilean miners this week, it's clear why that nation is a third-world hellhole and not part of the developed world. The reasons are legion, but one of them stood out in stark relief over the past few months: their president simply doesn't know how to manage a major crisis.

I mean, look at this comparison with how El Presidente Sebastian Pinera handled that situation with how our own President Obama dealt with the BP oil spill in the Gulf.

Not once did President Pinera talk about how he was going to make certain that the mining company was properly brought to account for their misdeeds, promising to hold his boot to their throats.

He didn't demand an end to all mining everywhere.

He didn't snub offers of assistance from other nations.

He didn't vow to "not rest" until it was over, then take off on vacations and go golfing at the drop of a hat.

He didn't try to demonize the mining company.

He didn't use the crisis to advance his political agenda.

He didn't make sure that federal government officials were overseeing and micromanaging every aspect of the disaster response, keeping outsiders and other levels of government didn't get in the way.

Nope, El Presidente Pinera did just what you'd expect from any two-bit jefe from a two-bit backwater banana republic. He marshaled his nation's resources; requested and accepted aid from anyone, anywhere; kept the spotlight focused, laserlike, on the actual immediate crisis; ignored such matters as blame and responsibility who to punish; and most critically, failed to shore up the critical golfing industry by keeping his tee times.

Poor, poor Chile. Yes, your miners were rescued, alive and mostly healthy, but that was not because of your El Presidente and his response to the crisis, but despite it. The silly Chile-pepper simply doesn't have what it takes to be the leader of a modern, advanced nation.

Maybe some day, you will. Maybe some day you'll be as good as we are. But right now, you ain't there -- and you ain't headed in the right direction.

(This article is also instructional on how the rescue played out.)


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Comments (33)

What an embarassment this f... (Below threshold)
Don L:

What an embarassment this faux messiah is - and more so when you point out so well that he's sub par when compared to third-world leaders.

Oooh, that's gonna leave a ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Oooh, that's gonna leave a mark.

And el Hefe got the job don... (Below threshold)
mpw280:

And el Hefe got the job done two months earlier than estimated, after never giving up hope that the miners would be brought out alive after being found to have made it to the safety room. mpw

Umm, not to pick nits, but ... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

Umm, not to pick nits, but it's jefe, which is Spanish for boss, or el jefe, for the big boss dood.

Otherwise, spot on. Someday I hope we can have a leader as good as Pinera. Won't happen until at least 1/20/2014, though.

ugh...2013...... (Below threshold)
Sheik Yur Bouty:

ugh...2013...

It's ironic that the capita... (Below threshold)
Razorgirl:

It's ironic that the capitalist can get it organized and the community organizer can't.

SYB, you fulfilled the age-... (Below threshold)

SYB, you fulfilled the age-old internet rule: any comment that offers a correction will have a mistake in it as well.

Thanks, I'll go fix it now.

J.

Maybe we can.. subcontract?... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Maybe we can.. subcontract? After all, outsourcing is all the rage these days...

In Barrys defense his handi... (Below threshold)
914:

In Barrys defense his handicap improved during the darkest days of the crisis.

Damn.....looks like they le... (Below threshold)
ODA315:

Damn.....looks like they let a crisis go to waste.

Perhaps we can offer to tra... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Perhaps we can offer to trade Presidents.

Lesson to President Obama: ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Lesson to President Obama: Mine your own damn business.

Jay,Now that is go... (Below threshold)
Myronhalo:

Jay,

Now that is good satire that is hard to mistake for something else.

Doesn´t make our President look very capable nor very devoted.

Perhaps we can offer to ... (Below threshold)
Peter F.:

Perhaps we can offer to trade Presidents.

Chileans would reject that offer; not enough value for what they'd have to give up.

Sweeten the deal with Biden, Pelosi, Reed, etc. and we might get somewhere.

Sweeten the deal with Bi... (Below threshold)

Sweeten the deal with Biden, Pelosi, Reed, etc. and we might get somewhere.

FOUR cr*p sandwiches, instead of just one, for their hero?

Somehow, I don't think so. :-)
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Really Jay? You have to rea... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

Really Jay? You have to reach so desperately and pretend that a massive oil spill caused by a rig going down that spent weeks upon weeks pumping oil into the waters off the coast and threatened the welfare and livelihood of numerous other people not related to the oil industry equates to some trapped miners or that comparing the responses to the two acts equates at all? You couldn't compare the trapped miners that just got freed and their President's response to, say, the Big Branch mine disaster (before we all got the news that the worst had indeed happened) and our President's response?

Well, no, you couldn't. If you did that you couldn't be as intellectually dishonest as you were and create a bunch of false comparisons in how the incidents were treated by their country's respective leaders. About the only thing you could pluck from your list above to still use would be comments about regulations needing to be enforced. Not an unfair criticism made by the way since Massey Energy had repeat violations on its record and they just again, on the sixth month anniversary of the Big Branch mine disaster, got nailed in a surprise inspection on their Seng Creek Powellton Mine in Boone Country, W. Va. for skipping mandatory tests for explosive gases and failing to use ventilation curtains that filter out flammable chemicals to reduce the explosion risk.

But that would be an honest comparison and, hey, why should things like that ever make their way here?

"Perhaps we can offer to... (Below threshold)
914:

"Perhaps we can offer to trade Presidents."


lol

I wouldn't wish Barry on Chile. Of course we could offer to send him to Iran to destroy their economy as he shows much promise in this area. But Chile, nah.

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...... (Below threshold)

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...

It's a question of style.

Chile's president handled this straight out of "Apollo 13" -- "let's work the problem, people!" and "failure is not an option." Ours, though, was reading out of a different playbook -- "never let a crisis go to waste."

So yeah, I am comparing the two -- and in that comparison, it's clear who comes out looking better.

Here's a hint: if I can judge by your very Anglo name, it wasn't the guy you voted for.

J.

Why of course it's just a q... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

Why of course it's just a question of style. That's why you compared and contrasted the actions of one person during a mining disaster with another man during a major oil disaster that threatened to create huge problems for the regional fishing industries and had the chance of making a very real and very negative impact on the environment local to the spill area as well as multiple states coastlines.

These to events just compare and contrast so well on general scale and on the possibilities of having negative consequences beyond just the immediate area of the initial accident. Why, yes, I can see just how they're perfect examples of events to use in judging the the responses of the two country's presidents on. Well, perfect if you want to pretend the two things compare in the least.

What will you do for an encore? How about calling out the poor "style" of some doctor who quarantines a patient diagnosed with Ebola and calls in FEMA assistance because he didn't act the same as that other doctor with so much better "style" who checked a guy out, determined that he had the latest flu bug and sent him home with a note for work and a prescription for some antibiotics. It would be about the same level of honesty as you're showing here.

We had a mining disaster earlier this year. That's a direct comparison in events and of scale and magnitude. How did the two Presidents act and react during those events? Not all that differently really. Thus showing everyone why you didn't use both mining accidents for your little piece here. You couldn't spin it the same way.

"Here's a hint: if I can judge by your very Anglo name, it wasn't the guy you voted for."

Yes, your last little desperate grasp at saving face. Let's pretend that saying that I voted for Obama invalidates anything I've said and suddenly means that your little piece wasn't as intellectually dishonest as you could make it without actually telling outright lies. The problem being that I'm on record in a number of places (including Peter David's blog, my blog and Facebook) stating under my own name that Obama and the Democrats are acting like idiots and that Obama is to the Presidency what dime store brand canned pork and beans is to gourmet dining.

I'm more than happy criticizing Obama and do so quite a bit. It's just that, unlike you and the S.O.P. here it seems, I can do so without having to resort to basically making stuff up or comparing apples and coconuts and pretending that they're the same thing.

You're right about one thing though. It is a question about style. Your style is the kind that favors dishonesty and partisan spin since it's easier than writing anything with any real merit or weight to it. That might actually take some work and thinking. Can't have any of that around here, can we?

"I'm more than happy critic... (Below threshold)
914:

"I'm more than happy criticizing Obama and do so quite a bit. It's just that, unlike you and the S.O.P. here it seems, I can do so without having to resort to basically making stuff up or comparing apples and coconuts and pretending that they're the same thing."


What was made up?? Barry gouged the oil industry and made everything worse. Chili's president was a gracious human being.

Of course its like apples and coconuts, one was handled correctly and the other exploited for personal gain.

Thats a no brainer.

No doubt about it: Chile ha... (Below threshold)
kevino:

No doubt about it: Chile has a better President than we do.

Jay and Jerry: I disagree that this is about style over substance. The President of Chile put his office solidly behind the effort, set priorities, and got help, when needed, from other countries. The results were fantastic, and he should be proud of what his team did.

President Obama, on the other hand, put more effort into his golf game than the actual cleanup effort. At a time when the federal government was actually preventing state and local authorities from protecting vital areas, his team didn't set priorities or streamline the process. The Federal government did what it did best: generate red tape. And finally, let us remember the help that other countries offered us (e.g. oil-skimming equipment) that we turned down. Some of it didn't work out, but some did. But one thing is certain: it was stupid to be looking at a major crisis and turn down help.

To be sure the ineptitude o... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

To be sure the ineptitude of the administration's actions in the practical end of the clean up was on full display. Obama did almost everything he could to earn that disaster the nickname of "Obama's Katrina" and then some. It was made even worse not long ago when after action reports on their response showed that they often went from not knowing fully how much oil was gushing into the gulf to knowing rough estimates and underplaying and underreporting them. Obama only came off looking better than Bush did during Katrina because there was no staggeringly huge body count and no pictures of ongoing human suffering and death for weeks on end.

But it's still laughable to compare a situation with trapped miners to the biggest gulf oil disaster of most of our lifetimes. It's especially disingenuous to pretend that there's something to be said about how the two men reacted in these situations when (1) the situations are were truly nothing alike and (2) Obama did nothing like what Jay lists above back in the early part of the year when we had the Big Branch disaster.

To say that the two disasters Jay chose to use and the follow up reactions by the two Presidents to these vastly different disasters are truly comparable is laughable. Choosing to ignore the fact that there was a comparable disaster in our country this year because the facts of the disaster and the reaction of the President doesn't fit the false narrative you're trying to create simply dishonest.

El Presidente also made the... (Below threshold)
exceller:

El Presidente also made the mistake of exuding a lot of pride in his country.

Seriously though, when the last miner came out and the president led everyone while singing their national anthemn, I was thinking of what an impossibility it would be to see Obama singing our national anthemn while beaming with pride. Hell he'd need TOTUS just to get through it.

Maybe if we whip up a Hawai... (Below threshold)
LiberalNitemare:

Maybe if we whip up a Hawaiian birth certificate for him, we can run him for President here.

Jerry,Your ramblin... (Below threshold)
Myronhalo:

Jerry,

Your rambling isn´t really easy to understand.
You say that there is no parallel between the Gulf oil spill and the Chilean miner´s emergency. Well, you´re wrong. They were both emergencies, albeit of different kinds, and the presidents of each country had an opportunity and a responsibility to respond. There is a marked contrast in the way the men answered the emergencies, and Jay has put his finger on the problem.
The attitude of Obama and his administration was to assign blame as a means to divert attention. In Chile, it was mentioned that the mine was risky and had previous violations, but that was a non-issue until the crisis was solved.
The Obama administration´s handling of the Gulf crisis was a lot worse than the Bush administration´s handling of KATRINA. In Katrina, the hurricane struck and destroyed and the damage was done. In the Gulf crisis, the damage started and there was a lot of time to try to stop it going further, but all kinds of mistakes were made by Obama and his team.
Bush made one big mistake and that was trusting that the local authorities in Louisiana at the time were capable of handling anything themselves.
Obama made a lot of mistakes, one primary one in not letting the local authorities take steps to right the situation when in this case they were ready to do something about the problem.
Jerry, your argument is not very convincing.

Myronhalo, I'll explain it ... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

Myronhalo, I'll explain it again and I'll do my best to use small, simple words for you and apparently the average Wizbang reader.

You have two disasters and two responses that are being compared here. One was a major oil spill that was the biggest disaster of its kind in a lifetime. One was a mine trapping miners under the ground. One continued to grow every second of every day for months and moved towards shorelines, threatened the livelihood of industries and small businesses that depended on fishing in the area and threatened the region's ability to make money in another way, the tourist industry, while in an already bad recession. One stayed exactly where it was.

Oh, and only one disaster had a company (BP) already guilty of numerous safety and operational violation skirt their own regulations to help create the conditions for the accident they faced. They also produced emergency response manuals that were supposed to have been created for the rigs in that area that (1) would have had to have been authored by a dead man to have been written by him when BP claims they were written and laid out the steps that an oil rig in the gulf would have to take to deal with a spill in the gulf's artic environment; complete with specific animal instructions for how to handle dealing with Polar Bears.

One was about a 2 on the disaster scale of 1 to 10. The other was about a 7. Comparing the responses and the actions to prevent further ones like it as if anything about the two incidents was at all equal is laughable at best and dishonest at worst. It's even more dishonest a comparison when there was a mining disaster in the US this year and the actions of the two Presidents weren't in the two similar incidents weren't that different. And we certainly did not see Obama react to the Big Branch mining disaster, a disaster made even worse by the deaths of the miners, by doing any of the following.

He didn't demand an end to all mining everywhere.

He didn't snub offers of assistance from other nations.

He didn't vow to "not rest" until it was over, then take off on vacations and go golfing at the drop of a hat.

He didn't try to demonize the mining company.

He didn't use the crisis to advance his political agenda.

He didn't make sure that federal government officials were overseeing and micromanaging every aspect of the disaster response, keeping outsiders and other levels of government didn't get in the way.

So the only two true comparisons of events we have shows that the response of both Presidents on a scale 2 disaster is about the same. And, just for the hell of it, about that list...

"He didn't demand an end to all mining everywhere."

No, he didn't. Nor did Obama demand an end to all oil drilling everywhere. He didn't even, as the popular lie of the Right has it, put a moratorium on all offshore drilling. The administration merely place a moratorium on new oil deep water drilling permits, and shut down 33 exploratory deep water wells. Any oil rig already producing oil continued to do so. Further, Obama was actually expanding deep water and offshore oil drilling one month before the BP disaster.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/31/nation/la-na-obama-drilling31-2010mar31

You may remember this as the Left screaming about Obama since it ticked off so much of his base.

"He didn't snub offers of assistance from other nations."

Nor did Obama in the oil spill. We had ships from several other countries helping in the cleanup. Some help was turned down though. It was turned down in the cases of untested equipment and techniques. They turned down some help when the help was not needed in the areas that it was being offered. They also turned down help when the help came with a price tag. Almost every offer of help we got was dependent on the US paying the assisting nation what the assisting nation determined that their help and time was worth. Why pay someone else to do a job you can do when it will cost you more money than it would if you did it?

Not sure that constitutes a snub. Do you feel it's a snub if you tell some guy that you won't hire him to cut your grass since he wants $50 to do the job and you can do it just as well for free or at least have someone else do it just as well for $25?

"He didn't vow to "not rest" until it was over, then take off on vacations and go golfing at the drop of a hat."

A slight misrepresentation as Obama did not declare that he himself would never rest.

"We will not rest until this well is shut, the environment is repaired and the cleanup is complete," Obama said, during a visit to California, ahead of his next trip to the Gulf Coast on Friday."

It was a somewhat generic we. It was a "we" that encompassed everyone involved. Still, it was amazingly foolish of him to make such a comment and then take a vacation. But, hey, the vacation bar was lowered so badly by the previous administration that it was just about White House S.O.P. at that point.

"Now watch this drive."

"He didn't try to demonize the mining company."

Yeah, how dare he point out the repeated violations and the other shenanigans that BP pulled that helped to lead to this disaster. He should have looked at their violations, looked at the bogus emergency manuals they wrote, looked at the somewhat falsified reports they gave about the safety of that system and looked at their sloppy response procedures and just told BP that they were doing a heck of a job.

"He didn't use the crisis to advance his political agenda."

No, Obama didn't use the crisis to advance his political agenda at all. As noted with the above link; Obama was planning to expand drilling just as he had said he would do early on in his run for the Presidency. He shifted his stance on it later in the Presidential race, he truly was for it before he was against it, but President Obama was in fact expanding drilling before the accident.

I know those facts get in the way of your rants, but thems the facts.

"He didn't make sure that federal government officials were overseeing and micromanaging every aspect of the disaster response, keeping outsiders and other levels of government didn't get in the way."

That's a bit incoherent so it's a bit hard to discuss.

So what we have is two men acting just about the same to similar mining disasters and then someone using the actions of the one man on an accident of a much, much larger scale that had much farther reaching negative impact to create a false narrative about how the one man acts compared to the other man. We also have a list of actions supposedly taken that are, to be kind, not exactly completely related to the reality based community. They are, to be kind, bs.

And recall that they took c... (Below threshold)
studakota:

And recall that they took care of their huge earthquake right away while Haitti, that poster boy for Black incompetence, is still begging, and recieving, handouts. No success, anywhere in the world, for a Black led nation and we go and elect one. I'll pour a glass of wine over the grave of any Liberal, but first I'll drink it.

Jerry Chandler: ..... (Below threshold)

Jerry Chandler:

.... Obama is to what presently passes for the "presidency" what Dime store brand canned pork and beans is to gourmet dining ....

Keep that sort of stuff up and pretty soon you'll be giving Dime store brand canned pork and beans an undeserved bad name!

Hey Jerry,"I know ... (Below threshold)
Myronhalo:

Hey Jerry,

"I know those facts get in the way of your rants, but thems the facts."

You consider what I wrote to you "rants"?

"One was a major oil spill that was the biggest disaster of its kind in a lifetime."

You got this one wrong too. This was not the largest oil spill in a lifetime, unless you are under 15 years of age, and you are talking about your lifetime.

You already formed your opinions before you looked up the facts. You are going to defend Obama and his administration no matter what he does nor what he says.

You talk about the sins of BP (British Petroleum). Wasn´t it Obama´s administration´s responsability for overseeing and enforcing the drilling regulations. (I know George was away that weekend so you can´t blame him this time.)Obviously, BP and probably other companies had cut corners and were responsable. But, the people responsable for seeing that the petroleum companies didn´t violate the rules work for the present Federal government. ( I don´t know if you realize it, but George is now a civilian and has nothing to do with it). And for what it´s worth, didn´t I read that BP was a very large donor to the Democratic party in the 2008 elections and to Obama´s campaign? It was politicially correct to attack them after the blowout, but apparently they were pals with the regulators before it happened. Once they were a liability instead of an asset, the "bus" came by to get them out of the way.

When it comes to responsibility, as Ronald Reagon once aptly said, "It happened on my watch." I might fall over dead the day I hear Obama make a similar statement that he is in part responsable for something negative. He doesn´t have a healthy enough self-esteem to admit that he made a mistake.

"Comparing the responses and the actions to prevent further ones like it as if anything about the two incidents was at all equal is laughable at best and dishonest at worst."

Comparing the statements made and the tone of the responses of the two presidents is indeed appropriate. I am sure that the Chilean president is also a politician, but it appears that he is also a leader.
In Uruguay, we have a well-known phrase. Loosely translated it says, "To know the value of a shirt, one button is enough."
Well, You don´t need to compare all the details of the crisis; You only need to see the response of the principal actors in order to know what they are made of.
That´s what Jay did well in his sattire, and you keep talking about the cut of the cloth, where it was manufactured, and the size of the shirt.
Most of us aren´t buying those kinds of shirts.

I do blogging as a hobby every now and then. I guess I am just an average Wizbang reader, unlike yourself.
By the way, I already voted for Toomey and the good guys in PA. I would like to vote again in other states, but I´m not a Chicago or New York Democrat, so my conscience would bother me.

"You consider what I wro... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

"You consider what I wrote to you "rants"? "

Actually I was referring in general to the stuff usually written here and not to you specifically.

"This was not the largest oil spill in a lifetime, unless you are under 15 years of age, and you are talking about your lifetime."

Poorly written line. I had been referencing this thing to the Gulf region and meant that in that context. I was not speaking of nationwide or worldwide disasters.

"You are going to defend Obama and his administration no matter what he does nor what he says."

My, you do have some serious reading comprehension issues. You must have since I've criticized Obama and his handling of this crisis in this very thread. So are you stupid by birth or merely deliberately obtuse by choice?

"Obviously, BP and probably other companies had cut corners and were responsable. But, the people responsable for seeing that the petroleum companies didn´t violate the rules work for the present Federal government."

Why, yes they do. And many were put into place quite some time ago. But this invalidates what BP did... how?

"And for what it´s worth, didn´t I read that BP was a very large donor to the Democratic party in the 2008 elections and to Obama´s campaign?"

Two things here. (1) No, you didn't. What happened was that employees of the company donated their personal money to the campaign for as fairly small percentage (somewhere around 1 or 2 percent) of the total donations taken in. Saying that this means that "BP" donated to Obama's campaign would be like pointing to a large group of teachers who donated to McCain's campaign and claiming that the Teacher's Union donated to and supported McCain's campaign. (2) Even if that had been the case; so what? Are you saying that you feel that anyone who donates to a candidate should get a free pass when they screw up? If so, I can give you a list of countries to move to where that political system is in effect and where you'll apparently be happier.

"It was politicially correct to attack them after the blowout, but apparently they were pals with the regulators before it happened. Once they were a liability instead of an asset, the "bus" came by to get them out of the way."

Who is the "they" you speak of here? BP? Well, yeah, they were being real close pals to the regulators for four or five years at least. That's supposed to mean that someone shouldn't be outraged about the kickbacks and softball treatment that went on when it comes to light in your world? If the "they" you speak of is Obama and his camp then you would be wrong.

"When it comes to responsibility, as Ronald Reagon once aptly said, "It happened on my watch." I might fall over dead the day I hear Obama make a similar statement that he is in part responsable for something negative."

R.I.P.

Obama: "My job is to get this fixed. And in case anybody wonders -- in any of your reporting, in case you're wondering who's responsible, I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down."

"That´s what Jay did well in his sattire, and you keep talking about the cut of the cloth, where it was manufactured, and the size of the shirt."

No, what Jay did was play mix and match with examples and then added to that bit of dishonesty by making up his own facts for the creation of much of his list of things Obama did in the BP spill. I simply pointed that out.

Thanks Jerry,Obama... (Below threshold)
Myronhalo:

Thanks Jerry,

Obama: "My job is to get this fixed. And in case anybody wonders -- in any of your reporting, in case you're wondering who's responsible, I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down."

I hadn´t seen that one.

But I still have a question of believing it while he is playing golf at every opportunity.

El Presidente of Chile put many less important things aside to attend to the disaster. "our" president Obama visited once or twice for a day or two and during the crisis played golf many more days than he spent on site.

He didn´t act very responsibly. He only started getting worried when he was getting bad press.

I agree that Obama could ha... (Below threshold)
Jerry Chandler:

I agree that Obama could have and should have handled it better. However, had Obama spent every day down there the criticism now would likely be that he micromanaged and got in the way of the "real" efforts in the Gulf.

Hell, Jay's starter for this thread and the comments of many conservative critics of the President elsewhere criticized him for micromanaging the situation (and others have even criticized him for micromanaging the cleanup while simultaneously saying he was detached from the efforts, constantly vacationing and, where that stupid $71,051 "controversy was played up, letting BP do whatever they wanted.) Can you imagine the whining we'd have heard about his micromanaging and getting in the way if he was down there through 90% o the crisis? Plus the additional knock would be that he was too focused on that one issue and didn't know how to properly delegate duties to others. This would then be followed by a joke about how he must not have learned that from being a community organizer.

Not Obama's best moment by far. Actually it's one of his worst ones to be sure. But I'm not really going to get as worked up about it as some or take the criticisms of him by people who are so determined to whine about Obama that they would likely find fault with him for pointing out that it was cold outside during a snowstorm.

I do tend to believe that people stateside are over romanticizing the actions of the President of Chile a bit though. We don't know what he did and where he was the entire time of the incident because our media didn't follow him around 24/7 like they do our Presidents. Was he at the mine disaster area? Yes. He was also in New York for a week. Some of it business like when he spoke to the September 22nd Americas Society and Council of the Americas get together.

http://latindispatch.com/2010/09/23/chilean-president-pinera-lays-out-plan-to-defeat-underdevelopment/

He also met with some VIPs that week, but some of his stay was pleasure as well. It did get some coverage on our news. He also visited Ecuador shortly before the miners were rescued although I can't knock him for the initial reason for that trip.

So what did he do the entire time of the crisis? I don't know and neither do you. He certainly showed himself to be an admirable leader, but I would hold off on the over the top praise that some seem to want to throw around because they're filling in their absence of knowledge with what they see as the "ideal" leadership qualities of the man.

who was stuck in the min... (Below threshold)
Bailey:

who was stuck in the mining disaster? where did it happen? what happend to it? how didit start? Why did it start?




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