Don't look for another 'activist' to pull a stunt like this any time soon. When they start getting their asses kicked, they back off.

I don't support the Tea Party at all, and frankly with the racism and Bible-thumping they've shown in the past, I wouldn't put it past them to stomp on someone just for disagreeing with them. And the interviews since the incident have proven to me that Teabaggers are idiots: First of all, I defended them: I said "of COURSE they have to tackle someone who is rushing after their candidate in a wig. it could have been a man with a knife or a gun! She's lucky she didn't get shot!" But then the spokespeople for the Tea Party -- instead of taking that "we didn't know and were only trying to protect him" stance -- started saying that they KNEW who she was and were just tired of putting up with her crap?? So they resorted to violence. Fricking idiots. There is NO EXCUSE for what they did if they knew who she was, and they themselves are admitting that they knew. Morons. Thank goodness they are such obvious morons, though.

Rand Paul shouldn't be blamed for this tough-guy, stomping on a girl. I heard on Fox that Rand's campaign cut all ties with this "volunteer."

If Rand takes after his father, he'll be OK.

Joe Miller, on the other hand, is a real thug, hiring these SS-wannabes to arrest reporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdHY0yOmUqU

No, Pamela, no matter what they SAID, they didn't KNOW she wasn't armed. They might have been virtually certain, but there's always a chance -- and you don't take chances in cases like this. You take her down. In this case, they took her down without injury to anyone.

Did they possibly enjoy it a little, knowing who and what she was? Quite possibly. I would have.

But their actions were entirely justified, and only the professional pain in the ass Valle bears any responsibility for this whole stupid mess.

J.

Next time, maybe she shouldn't be able to get up and walk away.

My tolerance for these people is at an all time low.

galoob, don't you EVER get tired of playing the "hey, look over there!" game?

I know I'm getting tired of your shenanigans...

J.

Great - she's a professional political stunt woman. I'm getting tired of staged garbage like this. She's lucky she didn't get her head cracked on the curb.

Pamela's a bit right, and a lot wrong. These days ANYONE rushing at a candidate has to be viewed with suspicion - even (or perhaps especially) if they're known to be a pro agitator. How long will it be before someone unhinged does a Squeaky Fromm reenactment, and the excuse is "We didn't stop her because we knew she was harmless!"?

Or some wanna-be jihadi rigs up a WORKING bomb and goes to see a potential candidate he hates? Rush in, blow up, take out the candidate and a few other people... but hey, he was holding a protest sign just last week!

Political activists of this stripe are pushing the accepted bounds of activism into potentially unsafe territory. It's one thing to wave a sign, or participate in street theater with a cooperative cast. It's another to do shit like this.

I think Garandfan's right though - it's all fun and games until someone gets taken down. They'll likely think twice next time - at least until softer concrete is developed.

Had a moment of sympathy for her. Got a look at her face and figured she got stomped and was badly disfigured, but the mugshot was from May... my-bad

http://www.lpso.net/pressrelease.asp?id=927

that's a face begging to be stomped

JT, context is key. Drawing analogies and contrasts is often necessary in a dialogue, no?

The problem with using "security" as an excuse to stomp "professional liberal activists" or illegally arrest reporters is that there is no limit to what you can do, you can always invoke some unlikely "threat" like an assassin or even more ridiculously a suicide bomber to assault people you don't like.

Anyways, the Paul campaign announced they cut ties with this guy, so I guess they see the stomping differently than you do. Good for them. I have some hopes that Rand will take after Ron and come out as a small government anti-imperialist after he's elected.

How low these leftist are. All scum and new wannabees from the 60's. I beginning to think that some of you are right...having the shit kicked out of them might be the only way to go.
Too much is at stake: our country, our freedoms, our children's and future generations futures. We can just shrug our shoulders and think these creeps will go away or it is a passing phase. I always thought the turmoil in the 60's was communist base. I like to remind these people that they will some day ended up on a slab with tag around their toe...like everyone else...so why do they want to control other people's lives and freedom.

Another video of the incident has emerged, showing Valle actually charged Paul's moving car and shoved her sign in the open window before Paul's supporters grabbed her and pulled her away from Paul. This really drives a nail through the "innocent girl beaten by Tea Party thugs" fantasy.

J.

Pamela why do you have to start out by insulting a bunch of people you don't know and accusing them of being racists? Does it really matter if they knew she had been around the Paul rallies? How do we know she wasn't stalking him waiting for the right moment to assult him or worse. Please also remember our president has taking to the airwaves to pronounce 1/2 or more of us as the emeny that needs to be punished. Do you think that might add to the hostile enviornment? Politicians live in a world where nuts hate them not their ideas not their policies them personally, if you charge Obama I promise you the best you can hope for is being pushed to the ground and held down by someone's foot. It's unacceptable behavior in that envorinment. It would be wrong for the right to do it, it's wrong for moveon to do it.

Re: "The problem with using "security" as an excuse to stomp "professional liberal activists" or illegally arrest reporters is that there is no limit to what you can do,.."

They didn't do anything until Valle shoved her way through the crowd and went after Paul.

Typical liberal politics. Can't debate the issues, can't defend your positions, instead try to embarrass an opponent with made up crap.
Sigh. I guess they're just following the lead of Obama.

To bad these idiots can't do real time instead of maybe a 3 hour stint in the local Crowbar Motel. If they would press some charges that had some teeth, let's say felony assault or terrorism, and make them spend a few years as a bunk mate to Bubba and Helga. That would make a few of them think about their options the next time, they decide to charge a candidate for office. That won't happen to any Democrat anytime soon, though.

"Another video of the incident has emerged, showing Valle actually charged Paul's moving car and shoved her sign in the open window before Paul's supporters grabbed her and pulled her away from Paul."

She easily could have put his eye out with a corner of the sign. Based on that, she deserved to be taken down and restrained. Why take chances with wild behavior like that?

"Honestly mister Secret Service man, I just wanted to make sure the President could read my sign!"

They had to send the little psycho chick because all the "men" at MoveOn were too busy trying on new pink lace thongs.

If this is "assault," then everyone she bumped out of the way forcing her way to the front should file assault charges against her.

The police wouldn't even come over to be there in case she was another Squeaky, but people were detained for hours for yelling "You suck!" at Bill Clinton through an 8-foot chain link fence. As is always the case with the cowardly left, they love to dish it out, but never can take it without crying.

Many appropriate comments on the head stomping out there - my favorites are the comments to this article

jezebel.com/5674654/kentucky-head+stomper-wants-an-apology-from-victim

"Thank goodness they are such obvious morons, though."

And you've removed all doubt about your own level of intelligence with that rambling load of nonsense.

What really sucks for Rand Paul is that he won the debate but all everyone is talking about is the guy with the boots, plus Rand Paul had nothing to with the incident. Had the incident not occured I would have expected his poll numbers to go up a few points due to his debate performance, instead I suspect he will lose a few points.

Stomp out socialism

Tina S:

...instead I suspect he will lose a few points.

I don't think so. I think the people of Kentucky and the rest of the American people have seen this stunt for what it was. Just that, a stunt. The only ones that are making a big deal about this are the idiots in State Controlled Media and the DCCC, DSC and the DNC. I know most of the people who post here do, except a few trolls that have nothing else better to do.

This is all nonsense since Rand is going to cream Conway on Tuesday. A side show is all it is.

I'm fine with it as long as we on the left get to smack Michele Malkin if she comes to a progressive rally. Never know she might be a Squeaky Fromm.

How low these leftist are. All scum and new wannabees from the 60's. I beginning to think that some of you are right...having the shit

kicked out of them might be the only way to go.
Too much is at stake: our country, our freedoms, our children's and future generations futures. We can just shrug our shoulders and think these creeps will go away or it is a passing phase. I always thought the turmoil in the 60's was communist base. I like to remind these people that they will some day ended up on a slab with tag around their toe...like everyone else...so why do they want to control other people's lives and freedom

Hmm Sounds like a threat. if I see mag at a political rally I'll be sure to stomp on her head. She sounds dangerous. the left is too nice. They should do this more often. I just don't understand why they didn't stomp on tea party folks during they town halls when the came in screaming like crazy people. I mean they could have been armed for all we know and they were screaming like crazy people.

The thing that really disgusts me about the far right is that they can't ever see their hypocrisy.

Gve her some jail time to consider the error of her ways. She can then pay restitution. I hope she is not your sister galoob?

warinfant-

"I just don't understand why they didn't stomp on tea party folks during they town halls when the came in screaming like crazy people. I mean they could have been armed for all we know and they were screaming like crazy people."

We will see how you mentally deranged leftist become violent and scream "racism" when your race baitin ass's are booted out of power next week. Stomping or otherwise.

91-stupid.

"We will see how you mentally deranged leftist become violent and scream "racism" when your race baitin ass's are booted out of power next week. Stomping or otherwise."

That's what you said in 06 and 08. You guys are like broken records. cheers!

"That's what you said in 06 and 08."

The problem with that statement is that it is self refuting. We could not have said that the left would be upset when we booted them out of power in 2006 because they simply were not in power.

Sheesh. Have a little historical literacy will ya?!

And don't call people stupid if you're going to follow it immediately by making a fool of yourself.

Paul's supporters saw her and suspected trouble, so they told the police -- who said that keeping her from making a spectacle disturbance wasn't their business.

That's the key sentence jay tea. The cops weren't interested because protesting a political rally is not illegal.

"That's what you said in 06 and 08."

The problem with that statement is that it is self refuting. We could not have said that the left would be upset when we booted them out of power in 2006 because they simply were not in power.

Sheesh. Have a little historical literacy will ya?!

And don't call people stupid if you're going to follow it immediately by making a fool of yourself.

You really should take you own advice as it was clear to anyone that I was referring to the continual claim that your side makes about winning elections. Stomping or otherwise. (through that in because apparently that makes for an intelligent posting.)

That's what you said in 06 and 08. You guys are like broken records. cheers!

Then you've got nothing to worry about.

That's what you said in 06 and 08. You guys are like broken records. cheers!

Then you've got nothing to worry about.

I'm not worried.

"Thought crimes have not yet been made illegal by the left."

If Barry could, he would.

And btw, why does a Brit care about American politics, anyway?

No. The cops weren't interested because standing around and waiting to assault someone is not illegal. You cannot be arrested for waiting for an opportunity to commit a crime.

The police are great once a crime is committed. They are essentially worthless in actually preventing them with the exception of the threat of getting caught as a deterent.

Police cannot act preemptivey to prevent crime for the simple fact that they cannot predict who is going to commit a crime and when or where. Just because she was there and thinking about committing a crime doesn't mean she would actually go through with it.

Thought crimes have not yet been made illegal by the left.

Amusing. So basically your side tackles and stomps on someone for a "thought crime," because as you freely admit she hadn't done anything yet, and then you point out the left hasn't made thought crimes illegal. That's true, and we also haven't tackled and stomped on a protester either. Unlike the right.

"Thought crimes have not yet been made illegal by the left."

If Barry could, he would.

since your side is stomping and tackling people for alleged thought crimes of a squeaky Fromm nature I think I wouldn't go blaming barry for it. Barry let political enemies show up to his rallies with sub machine guns. And no one got stomped for it either.

I'm not worried.

Good.

Barry let political enemies show up to his rallies with sub machine guns.

Please confine your remarks to things that actually happened. There's a good lad.

"since your side is stomping and tackling people for alleged thought crimes of a squeaky Fromm nature I think I wouldn't go blaming barry for it"

I dont have any side dim wit.

The only people that would dare show up to Barry's speeches armed with automatic rifles would be his jackbooted thugs in the unions, NBBP and ACORN

Barry let political enemies show up to his rallies with sub machine guns.

Please confine your remarks to things that actually happened. There's a good lad.

Ruh-Oh. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/protester-with-gun-found_n_256614.html

Why this guy wasn't curb stomped I'll never know. I mean sure he was doing something perfectly legal so the cops left him alone. But why didn't Obama's supporters beat this guy? I mean he could be a squeaky Fromm.

Oh, the black guy who showed up at a Tea Party rally?

Try again.

"since your side is stomping and tackling people for alleged thought crimes of a squeaky Fromm nature I think I wouldn't go blaming barry for it"

I dont have any side dim wit.

or a brain.

Btw, since you're not American you wouldn't know this, but the Secret Service gets upset when anyone shows up at a Presidential event with a weapon. Walking around with around with a sub machine would definitely get their attention.

Even a leftist should be able to muster the brain power to figure that out.

Oh, the black guy who showed up at a Tea Party rally?

Try again.
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Ahh, so if you protest in a group it is okay. What we need then are more move on people. Well reasoned. or not.

Even a leftist should be able to muster the brain power to figure that out.

Apparently not all lefturds are created equal.

btw, since you're not American you wouldn't know this, but the Secret Service gets upset when anyone shows up at a Presidential event with a weapon. Walking around with around with a sub machine would definitely get their attention.

Even a leftist should be able to muster the brain power to figure that out.

Thus the surveillance he was under at all times. However he didn't get stomped on. Because protesting is not a crime and therefore is not a valid reason to stop on someone, as the Paul supporter will no doubt find out when his wallet is made lighter from this incident.

MSNBC: ObamaCare Protesters 'Racist,' Including Black Gun-Owner

@43
And at the time I remember the left had the vapors, big time, over that guy showing up while keeping his distance...

@43 And at the time I remember the left had the vapors, big time, over that guy showing up while keeping his distance...

Sure, but we didn't throw him down on stomp on him. I wouldn't be complaining, Paul's supporters had only kept an eye and complained about the woman.

Your original assertion:

38. Barry let political enemies show up to his rallies with sub machine guns.

Except "Barry" didn't have anything to do with it, it wasn't "Barry's" rally, it wasn't a sub machine gun, it was a black guy, and he was protesting against ObamaCare.

Apart from that, your point is well-taken.

We should deport you back to Britain just for stupidity. We have enough morons here already. 52% of the population, to be exact.

MSNBC: ObamaCare Protesters 'Racist,' Including Black Gun-Owner

Thanks for the red-herring. Now be a good lad and focus in on the conversation at hand.

Except "Barry" didn't have anything to do with it, it wasn't "Barry's" rally, it wasn't a sub machine gun, it was a black guy, and he was protesting against ObamaCare.

Apart from that, your point is well-taken.

We should deport you back to Britain just for stupidity. We have enough morons here already. 52% of the population, to be exact.

He was at an obama town hall. Protesting the president's health care. Which is different than protesting paul how? You are right about enough morons here though as your post demonstrates. btw, I was born in Kansas. Has anyone ever seen your birth certificate though?

I try again.

I know Brits all Americans walk around carrying bazookas all the time, but even if you believe that, a modicum of intelligence (I'm making a leap of faith here) would tell you that someone showing up at a Presidential event with a rifle would exercise the Secret Service a tad.

So...

a) "Barry" did not allow anyone with a "sub machine gun" at any of his ralies...

b) because "Barry" would not have the say-so to do so; the Secret Service dictates security,

c) the incident you cited had nothing whatever to do with "Barry,"

d) it had to do with a protest against ObamaCare, and

e) the person in question was black, to boot.

So the Secret Service laughed off a guy carrying a sub machine gun? Right.

Btw, I was born in Indonesia. I'm Presidential material!

So the Secret Service laughed off a guy carrying a sub machine gun? Right.

Btw, I was born in Indonesia. I'm Presidential material!

Well if you could read, you'd say I pointed out that he was under surveillance the whole time. The is hardly laughing someone off. However He was NOT thrown down. not did anyone STOMP ON HIM.

See because the left is smart enough to realize that protesting is not a crime. btw, get out of our country. We should have built the dang wall before you got here.

I try again.

I know Brits all Americans walk around carrying bazookas all the time, but even if you believe that, a modicum of intelligence (I'm making a leap of faith here) would tell you that someone showing up at a Presidential event with a rifle would exercise the Secret Service a tad.

So...

a) "Barry" did not allow anyone with a "sub machine gun" at any of his ralies...

b) because "Barry" would not have the say-so to do so; the Secret Service dictates security,

c) the incident you cited had nothing whatever to do with "Barry,"

d) it had to do with a protest against ObamaCare, and

e) the person in question was black, to boot.

*Sigh*

First off who cares if he was black? Since we are arguing right wing thuggery and not racism that's what's called a red-herring which is to say, your point has nothing to do with the argument and is just a distraction. Next, now pay attention it is key. The secret service, like the cops in the case of Lauren Valle, arrested no one. Threw no one down and STOMPED ON NO ONE. because in both cases NO ONE broke the law.

However by your logic it would have been perfectly fine for Obama supporters to throw this guy to curb stomp the hell out of him because who knows he could have been a lee Harvey Oswald. Which brings us back to right wing hypocrisy.

Warchild you're a dolt. She was stopped once she started to try to assault Rand Paul. That was sufficient reason to restrain her. The police were not in a position at that point to stop her.

And I don't consider that much of a stomping having actually watched the video (you should try it sometime. You sound foolish calling it a stomping). Also compared to what the left dealt out against conservatives in St Louis and NO earlier this year since she didn't require hospitalization or surgery I don't think it qualifies as a stomping.

I take it from your reference to Squeaky Fromm that you are a Charles Manson supporter. Nuff Said. Don't have to worry about refuting whatever you say anymore. Not worth the time.

I get it. Whorechild is Sqeaky Fromms lovechild.

Jim X you're a fanatic and a dolt. had they just grabbed her I don't think it would be that big of a deal. they thre her to the ground and stomped on a woman (tough guys btw.)

I watched the video and it was pretty hard stomping and totally unnecessary. and the best part which makes my heart sing, is this asshat will have to pay her several thousand dollars when all is said and done. YAY!

And smart guy, the sqeaky fromm reference started with jay tea who must be a manson supporter, by your own logic. So well done moron.

I get it. Whorechild is Sqeaky Fromms lovechild.

Ahh, now we bring up the whores, first you stomp on women and no you insult your mother.

LOL.

The leftists who comment on this site are hilarious. They equate someone who charges a politicians car and shoves a sign in the window and then charges toward that same politician(a direct threat) with someone who shows up at a rally outside of a venue where Obama is with a gun (hostered, and legal, with a police escort. Yes the individuals called the police and TOLD THEM that they were going to do it to protest) and with Michelle Malkin showing up to ask questions and photograph liberal rallies (no direct threat).

You know they have no capacity to reason when they do this.

No one ever showed up at one of "Barry's" rallies with an automatic weapon. Ever. Didn't happen. Your point is a lie. Period.

warchild, warchild. As a disinterested third party (I'm libertarian) may I just say that I'm a bit disappointed in chaps like you? Here you have such a wonderful opportunity to be a critical thinker with no dog in the fight, yet you continually come off like an idiotic hack. Why can't you just for once say that what occurred in Kentucky was wrong and for that matter it is also wrong when the leftists behave poorly as well? How come you couldn't speak this loudly when Allee Bautsch was beaten, I mean, really beaten. Why is it that you can't find your voice after a Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter? The fact is that both parties participate in this childish behavior, but assholes like you only scream about their side being the victim.

To elaborate on warbaby's ignorance:

NO ONE ever showed up at an Obama event with a "submachine gun."

Submachine gun: a weapon capable of firing handgun-caliber munitions in fully automatic mode.

Assault rifle: A weapon capable of firing in fully automatic mode, burst mode, or single-shot semi-automatic mode.

Assault weapon: Politically-created definition that boils down to "scary-looking guns that are, functionally, indistinguishable from not-so-scary-looking guns."

What the black man brought was a semi-automatic AR-15 knockoff, a rifle that fires a single round with a single trigger pull. Apart from cosmetics, not that different from a .22 rifle used for hunting small game.

Someday warbaby might learn something... but until then, he's going to just keep filling up that diaper and flinging the contents around.

J.

That's all they've got, Clay. When your best ideas have blown up in your face, when your supporters are cutting out and the money's stopped coming in, you're short on time and bleeding voters - you've got three choices.

You can participate in a groupthink Two Minute Hate against your opponents, loudly screaming your anger at just how evil, small minded and greedy they are - which won't harm them or do you any real good either physically or politically, but WILL make you feel snug and warm and righteous in your hatred of those who've screwed you over (and they must have done something, otherwise you wouldn't be in such bad political shape!).

You can paint yourself as a victim, using anything you can to try to play on the sympathies of the voters in the hopes you can get one last vote out of them.

Or you can do your damndest to steal the vote - because that's what those damn bastards on the other side would do if you didn't do it first!

So now we're seeing quite a bit from column A, some from column B, and a lot from column C. The mix isn't palatable to the majority of voters, and not likely to win raves from the folks who were nominally Democrats until this election.

They're burning a hell of a lot of goodwill on this - and even if they DO win by hook or crook, it's their last. They've torn their own mask off - the 'kind, caring, tolerant' left has exposed their own ugliness for all the world to see.

o elaborate on warbaby's ignorance:

NO ONE ever showed up at an Obama event with a "submachine gun."

Submachine gun: a weapon capable of firing handgun-caliber munitions in fully automatic mode.

Assault rifle: A weapon capable of firing in fully automatic mode, burst mode, or single-shot semi-automatic mode.

Assault weapon: Politically-created definition that boils down to "scary-looking guns that are, functionally, indistinguishable from not-so-scary-looking guns."

What the black man brought was a semi-automatic AR-15 knockoff, a rifle that fires a single round with a single trigger pull. Apart from cosmetics, not that different from a .22 rifle used for hunting small game.

Someday warbaby might learn something... but until then, he's going to just keep filling up that diaper and flinging the contents around.

J.

Wow, jay dunce knows guns. That's really impressive. I'm impressed. You could have spent your time learning Calculus, maybe reading the works of Shakespeare, or Perhaps reading the works of Richard Feynman and learning a little physics, but you learned guns. I salute you. Just think how much more impressive it would be jay dunce if you could have used that knowledge in a way that would have been Germain to the conversation. That would have been impressive indeed.

Well, after successfully making you look like an idiot again and having the audacity to respond to your childish name calling with a rejoinder in kind. I fully expect to be banned. I Don't think the frail little ego of a man who passionately defends the assault of women is strong enough to handle my humble taunts. So you'll all be missed/

Speaking of Brits and Euroweenies. They are protesting a raise in the retirement age (French). Those demonstrations are pretty ugly with people bashing each other with signs, clubs and whatever else they can lay their mitts on. Notice that the ones that are protesting the loudest are the lefties. Why they can't mind their own business and not tell us that we should have let that woman bash Rand Paul over the head with that sign. Well in this country, we are not cowards and protect the innocent and not so innocent from being injured or killed. If you outsiders would consider how irrelevant your idiot comments really are in this country, there would be no hassles at all. A lot of you Brits and Euroweenies still think of us as rustic colonials that need to be mollycoddled. Well we kicked the Brits out twice and we should have just let Hitler stay in France, for all the thanks we get for helping to boot him out. So just keep your noses out of our affairs and we will leave you alone the way we always have, during the last almost 240 years. As far as I am concerned if Britain and Europe disappeared from the map, I would be one happy camper. I guess it is ok for a lefty to beat the shit out anyone that says something they don't like and not spend a day in jail, while a person that has a different viewpoint goes to jail and pays a huge fine for speaking his/her mind.

The leftists who comment on this site are hilarious. They equate someone who charges a politicians car and shoves a sign in the window and then charges toward that same politician(a direct threat) with someone who shows up at a rally outside of a venue where Obama is with a gun (hostered, and legal, with a police escort. Yes the individuals called the police and TOLD THEM that they were going to do it to protest) and with Michelle Malkin showing up to ask questions and photograph liberal rallies (no direct threat).

Well Carol, we do this because we are smarter than you. You see, I know this is hard for you to grasp, but holding a sign up to a car... That's not illegal. Not illegal at all in fact. Not even a little. What is illegal is assaulting someone for doing that, as these assholes will find after they are sued.

Oh, and Jaytea is the expert on guns, so you'll have to check with him, but I'm guessing they are quite a bit more lethal than signs are, although some say the pen is mightier than the sword and we know the right fears ideas.

warchild, warchild. As a disinterested third party (I'm libertarian) may I just say that I'm a bit disappointed in chaps like you? Here you have such a wonderful opportunity to be a critical thinker with no dog in the fight, yet you continually come off like an idiotic hack. Why can't you just for once say that what occurred in Kentucky was wrong and for that matter it is also wrong when the leftists behave poorly as well? How come you couldn't speak this loudly when Allee Bautsch was beaten, I mean, really beaten. Why is it that you can't find your voice after a Conway supporter stepped on the foot of a female Rand supporter? The fact is that both parties participate in this childish behavior, but assholes like you only scream about their side being the victim.

Clay, I'm more disappointed in you. first off I assume you will have the balls to also denounce the right wingers on this board like 914, who never complain when this happen happens to a liberal but only when it happens to a conservative. In short All of them are as guilty of what you are charging me with if your logic is applied both ways. yet strangely, you say nothing. Nothing to mag, who said violence is the answer, nothing to 914, for saying, Stomping out socilism." Makes me think you are as neutral in this fight as you claim.

Secondly you have no idea what my reaction was to those things. In truth, I am not familiar with the incidents you speak of, but if someone was beaten for exercising their free speech I denounce it. I will strongly denounce it. If you can show me someplace that is defending it, I'll even go over there and complain on that board. Unlike the right wingers here who refuse to do the same I am not a hypocrite.

In fact, pepsi challenge. let's see right wingers denounce, a case violence on the left. Something tells me it ain't happening.

The pepsi challenge should read, let's see someone on the right, denounce a case of violence against the left. Seems everyone here only defends it.

Wow, jay dunce knows guns. That's really impressive. I'm impressed. You could have spent your time learning Calculus, maybe reading the works of Shakespeare, or Perhaps reading the works of Richard Feynman and learning a little physics, but you learned guns. I salute you. Just think how much more impressive it would be jay dunce if you could have used that knowledge in a way that would have been Germain to the conversation. That would have been impressive indeed.

Warbaby, when you're getting thoroughly butthurt, don't go begging for more.

I'm not a gun nut. Don't own any, never have, not interested in ever owning any. Just got sick of ignorant blathering dolts constantly shouting their ignorance to the rafters.

Case. In. Point.

You have absolutely NO CLUE what you're talking about when it comes to guns, but that doesn't keep you from spouting off at every opportunity -- I count you showing off just how dumb you are at comments 37, 42, 48, 54, 57, and 58.

I don't know a hell of a lot about guns, but I know just enough to recognize a blithering idiot when he makes a point of blithering loudly and repeatedly.

I've read Shakespeare. I've read James Gleick's "Chaos" repeatedly, and gotten the most wonderful headaches each time. I'm a biblioholic.

So take your butthurting like a grownup, warbaby. You were stupid and caught. Don't get all arrogant and proud of how stupid you are.

J.

#68: "Wow, jay dunce knows guns. That's really impressive. I'm impressed. You could have spent your time learning Calculus, maybe reading the works of Shakespeare, or Perhaps reading the works of Richard Feynman and learning a little physics, but you learned guns. I salute you. Just think how much more impressive it would be jay dunce if you could have used that knowledge in a way that would have been Germain to the conversation. That would have been impressive indeed." - How would calculus, physics or literature been more 'germane' (small g - it ain't a country) to this particular conversation?

#70: "Well Carol, we do this because we are smarter than you." - That is the typical liberal mindset. They feel that somehow they are superior to everybody.

#70: "You see, I know this is hard for you to grasp, but holding a sign up to a car... That's not illegal." - No, but shoving it through the window and possibly hitting somebody is. It's called assault (if struck)or attempted assault.

I've done my share of disagreeing around here, warchild. There've been more than a few times in which my departure would have elated a few. But, I've never witnessed you spouting anything but straight down your ideological line. So predictable. So unthinking. So boring.

Gun nuts are the only thing keeping you leftturds free to spout your drivel. If the American citizen wasn't armed, how long would we retain what little freedoms we have left?

I've done my share of disagreeing around here, warchild. There've been more than a few times in which my departure would have elated a few. But, I've never witnessed you spouting anything but straight down your ideological line. So predictable. So unthinking. So boring.

Well, I agree with you every conservative on this site is boring, given every single one of them posts straight down the ideological line. explain to me why you think I should be the meet in the middle guy? As for your posts I am unfamiliar with them for the most part. If you are not posting straight down party lines than bravo for you. However, I notice no one took my pepsi challenge. Which means unlike those I am criticizing I am not a hypocrite. I am a liberal though.

#68: "Wow, jay dunce knows guns. That's really impressive. I'm impressed. You could have spent your time learning Calculus, maybe reading the works of Shakespeare, or Perhaps reading the works of Richard Feynman and learning a little physics, but you learned guns. I salute you. Just think how much more impressive it would be jay dunce if you could have used that knowledge in a way that would have been Germain to the conversation. That would have been impressive indeed." - How would calculus, physics or literature been more 'germane' (small g - it ain't a country) to this particular conversation?

#70: "Well Carol, we do this because we are smarter than you." - That is the typical liberal mindset. They feel that somehow they are superior to everybody.

#70: "You see, I know this is hard for you to grasp, but holding a sign up to a car... That's not illegal." - No, but shoving it through the window and possibly hitting somebody is. It's called assault (if struck)or attempted assault.

#68 Neither guns, Shakespeare, or physics were Germain to the conversation. I just would have been infinitely more impressed if he was an expert on the latter two.

#70 "You know they have no capacity to reason when they do this." - Carol

"Don't get all arrogant and proud of how stupid you are" Jay dunce

"We should deport you back to Britain just for stupidity. We have enough morons here already. 52% of the population, to be exact." Jay Guevara

Yes, Liberal have quite a superiority complex don't they? Strange I charge hypocrisy, I know.

#70 part II) Uhh no. Stomping on someone is called assault. Holding a sign is neither assault nor attempted assault.

Warbaby, when you're getting thoroughly butthurt, don't go begging for more.

I'm not a gun nut. Don't own any, never have, not interested in ever owning any. Just got sick of ignorant blathering dolts constantly shouting their ignorance to the rafters.

Case. In. Point.

You have absolutely NO CLUE what you're talking about when it comes to guns, but that doesn't keep you from spouting off at every opportunity -- I count you showing off just how dumb you are at comments 37, 42, 48, 54, 57, and 58.

I don't know a hell of a lot about guns, but I know just enough to recognize a blithering idiot when he makes a point of blithering loudly and repeatedly.

I've read Shakespeare. I've read James Gleick's "Chaos" repeatedly, and gotten the most wonderful headaches each time. I'm a biblioholic.

So take your butthurting like a grownup, warbaby. You were stupid and caught. Don't get all arrogant and proud of how stupid you are.

Jay tea, The kind of gun is irrelevant. Completely and totally irreverent to the point being made. Basically you're acting like an someone who spends a debate ignoring the content and responding to spelling errors. Which of course have nothing to do with the logic of the argument.

In this case the point being made was that the level of danger of a gun around a town hall event where the president is speaking, is more threatening than a sign, even a sign that uses very harsh language. That was the point being made. whether the man had a Sub machine gun or a 22 doesn't change the the comparison of danger between it and a sign, nor does it change how your post was a complete and total red herring. BTW, Although this is also irreverent to the debate. I'm pro second amendment (Not straight party line is it Clay?)

I'm glad you've read Shakespeare and I just added James Gleick's "Chaos" to my amazon wish list. So thanks for the recommendation. btw, keep calling me warbaby if you wish, and I will respond with insults in kind until you ban me. I'm not a nice liberal who takes insults without rejoinders (which I didn't do in this post.)

"Neither guns, Shakespeare, or physics were Germain to the conversation. I just would have been infinitely more impressed if he was an expert on the latter two."

"Jay tea, The kind of gun is irrelevant."

Yet none of those were germane to the conversation at all. At least the guns portion was partially. It was pointing out that differences that the average person has in distinguishing different types of weaponry. Also the type of gun is relavant as some guns are legal (semi automatic) and some are not (sub machine gun). The one at the rally was not. Could some see this as threatening? Yes. But some say the police carrying guns is threatening, should we stop them from carrying them? Was it appropriate or a wise decision to carry it at this venue? Probably not.

And just because one knows Sheakespeare or physics, doesn't mean that they have any better insight into this situation then one who doesn't. Book learning doesn't impress me at all, real world experience does. I run into people who are book learned, but have not a lick of real world experience and they are indeed 'idiots', even if they have high IQ's.

#70 part II) Uhh no. Stomping on someone is called assault. Holding a sign is neither assault nor attempted assault.

But, she wasn't just holding the sign, she shoved it in his car window at him. I know you didn't see that in the video making the rounds on the MSM, but you could have seen it on the link that was provided. People have been charged with assault for spitting on somebody, so shoving a sign at somebody definitely qualifies as assault.

Also notice that I've never commented on whether the 'stomping' (which it wasn't a 'stomp' it was a pushing on the shoulders and neck, not the head) was an assault or not. On that portion, he lacked restraint, and therefore it could be classified as assault. The people tackling her and pinning her to the ground did not assault her, they restrained her after she attempted to assault Rand Paul with her sign. That may not have been her intention, to assault him, but that is what she did. If they didn't restrain her could you say with absolute assurance that she wouldn't have done more? She could have been hiding a knife in with the sign. No, she made threatening moves (illegal - attempted assault or actual assault if the sign hit him). I would condemn somebody who did that toward the President as well.

The case with the man walking around with the rifle, is different because no law was broken. So there is a definite differnce, whether you want to admit it or not.