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Completely Unforeseeable

Hey, remember back when a lot of the liberals/progressives started pushing their ideas on how to reform and reshape the nation, and a whole bunch of us said that it would instead lead to bad things? Remember how we were all dismissed as haters and bigots and racists and evil and greedy and liars, and that none of those things would happen, and we were dooming ourselves to a lifetime of disgrace and shame and oblivion?

Things like, say, how ObamaCare meddling in the health care biz would end up leading to doctors just choosing to opt out of government-controlled health care?

Or how "banking reform" intended to make things fairer and cheaper and easier for the little people would instead lead to banks passing on more fees and charges, and getting rid of existing services we like?

Or, perhaps, how the huge costs and scope of ObamaCare was utterly unnecessary, that the numbers of people who would actually benefit from it were grossly overinflated, and it would end up costing far more in bureaucracy than it would in real benefits to individuals?

Yeah, me neither. Must've been some weird kind of dream or something...


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Yeah, 'unexpectedly' or som... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

Yeah, 'unexpectedly' or something...

Bastards

I'm tempted to rewrite the ... (Below threshold)

I'm tempted to rewrite the song "Tradition!" from "Fiddler on the Roof," but with the title, "Unexpectedly!"

I doubt I'll give in to that temptation, but maybe someone with more talent than me will.

Do you even read the articl... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Do you even read the articles you link to, Mr Tea?

The article about fed up doctors explicitly says, "The cuts have nothing to do with President Obama's health care overhaul."

The article about banks has a balanced point of view that you misrepresent in your post.

And the article about HHS is from Hot Air, which is about as reliable as my 1974 Gremlin was.

Bruce, ObamaCare is bigger ... (Below threshold)

Bruce, ObamaCare is bigger than the atrocity passed by the House -- it's the wholesale federalizing of the health care biz, and MediCare is part of that. Further, it's an omen. This is what is coming. Only a fool would look at this and NOT see the same dynamic playing out with ObamaCare, The Law.

The banking thing? A ton of us all said that the "banking reforms" would lead to these things happening. The "reforms" passed, and -- surprise! -- it's happening.

As far as the Hot Air article, I linked to it because it saved me repeating their analysis. Note that Ed Morrissey linked to his sources for the article -- you wanna argue with the Wall Street Journal?

J.

You can't tell me the 'big ... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

You can't tell me the 'big people' who make these policies don't know the outcome of these policies.

So they either don't care if it hurts America as long as they personally profit from it.
And/or they actually WANT America to be hurt from these policies.

Think about that.

The fed up doctors would st... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

The fed up doctors would still have been fed up had McCain been president and "Obamacare' not been passed, is all I'm saying.

There is nothing inthe banking article to suggest that banks couldn't have or wouldn't have introduced these new fees and charges with or without banking reform. They may justify them by referring to the recent reforms, but what evidence is there that they wouldn't be screwing us all in this way if NO reforms had been undertaken? They certainly have delighted in screwing us all, consequence-free, since at least 1999, and I would argue, since about 1988. You may think that bankers are just honest businessmen trying to make a fair profit. I disagree. I think the banking industry, like the insurance industry, has become the next best thing to legalized extortion.

Bruce, I gotta run to work,... (Below threshold)

Bruce, I gotta run to work, but let's just tackle the banking thing:

Us: "You pass these measures, the banks will abolish free checking and do a bunch of other stuff to us to make up for the lost revenue."

You: "No they won't!"

Banks: "We're doing what Jay and the rest said we'd do."

You: "Coincidence! Completely unforeseeable! Unconscionable!"

Us: "Sigh."

J.

Let me see...The d... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Let me see...

The dems pass obamacare because they want to make health care cheaper and more accessible for everyone and the result is that it becomes more expensive and less accessible.

The dems pass banking reform to make financial markets safer and better for the public and banks eliminate services that are consumer friendly.

The dems claim they want a strong educational system to help our children have better opportunities than we had. Then they cut the very programs (vouchers in DC for example) that are succeeding and doom children to dysfunctional schools that fail in every aspect.

The dems say they want to repeal the Bush "tax cuts for the rich", yet the rich pay a higher percentage of federal revenues after said tax cuts than before them and if cut the middle class will have to pick up that slack.

Anyone else see a pattern? The dems really are the enemy of the people.

Heh.Now that I re-re... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

Heh.
Now that I re-read my previous comment, I see that 'big people' could be inferred as 'lawmakers' or it could be inferred as 'big bankers/big medicine/big bureaucrat'.

Which only goes to show that the govt should be involved in any of these things as little as possible.

"The dems pass obamacare be... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"The dems pass obamacare because they want to make health care cheaper and more accessible..."

Well, that's what they SAID, anyway.

Maybe some of them believe that. But some (many, most?) know damn well that these things will collapse the system eventually. And they don't care and/or want it to collapse.

Well, dems have said explic... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Well, dems have said explicitly that they want the health care system to collapse and that they want to destroy the oil and coal industries in the US.

Kind of clarifies obama's policies when you look at hem in that light.

I'm still stuck on the "tax... (Below threshold)
Roy:

I'm still stuck on the "taxes won't go up one dime" thing.

"The cuts have nothing to d... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"The cuts have nothing to do with President Obama's health care overhaul."

Bruce better revisit the phony figures provided by Obama and Pelosi to the CBO. They said that they were finally going to impose the 23% Medicare cuts - after years and years of delaying them (they were first proposed in the mid-1990's). The CBO used those 'cuts' as part of its scoring formula. So don't say the 'cuts' don't have anything to do with the overhaul.

The 'cuts' and 'overhaul' were going hand-in-hand to "drive health care costs down".

In a related story, the sun... (Below threshold)

In a related story, the sun unexpectedly rose this morning. Pictures at eleven.

Hey look Bruce? Your the on... (Below threshold)
914:

Hey look Bruce? Your the only one that voted positive for yourself?

BruceRef Obamacare... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

Ref Obamacare not affecting health care professionals quting the field and not driving up the cost of healthcare. How about this slogan for 2012

Obama lied.
Quality healthcare died.

I recall some folks saying ... (Below threshold)
Burt:

I recall some folks saying in 2007 that raising the minimum wage would be harmful to the economy and would raise the unemployment rate. hmmm.

Wow, there's just so much w... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

Wow, there's just so much wrong with this:

"The fed up doctors would still have been fed up had McCain been president and "Obamacare' not been passed, is all I'm saying."

Bruce, McCain lost. Remember? How can you possibly know what would have happened?

"There is nothing inthe banking article to suggest that banks couldn't have or wouldn't have introduced these new fees and charges with or without banking reform."

There's nothing in the article that says they would have either.

"They may justify them by referring to the recent reforms, but what evidence is there that they wouldn't be screwing us all in this way if NO reforms had been undertaken?"

What is it with liberals? It seems to them that the only alternative to some far reaching, government controlled reform is ... "NO reform."

All three quoted points above run along the same bullshit line we've heard all too often lately: "It could have been worse!" implying that we had two options; Obamacare or nothing, Obama/Dem banking reforms or nothing, "comprehensive" immigration reform or nothing.

"They certainly have delighted in screwing us all, consequence-free, since at least 1999, and I would argue, since about 1988. You may think that bankers are just honest businessmen trying to make a fair profit. I disagree. I think the banking industry, like the insurance industry, has become the next best thing to legalized extortion."

This is just the standard justification for some far-reaching government controlled reform.

Bruce, we're not saying nothing should be done. We're saying that common sense reforms need to be enacted and it should have as little intrusion into the private lives of individuals as possible. Instead, every bit of legislation that has come out of this congress and administration has necessitated whole new government departments, massive government hiring and astronomical costs which they seem to think will materialize out of nowhere.

The Dems (and Obama's) whole strategy is to demonize banking, healthcare, energy companies, etc thinking that when the costs of their meddling and demands get passed on to us we won't be smart enough to figure out that it's their fault.




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