And this has been Jay Tea's idle threat of violence for the week . . . . .

I try to get them out of the way early, galoob. Frees me up for other things.

J.

I know its a good thing that Malchom X was able to win via the election box ...
I think many of the reforms of that era were directed at ensuring fair elections ...

I feel we need a new surge of election/ballot reforms to clean things up ...

Step one ... every election night there needs to be cut off time for each state and every ballot that is to be counted at any point needs to be locked up by then, period. No more "finding" ballots in bags and car trunks days later ...

Absentee ballots are the one exception becasue they have a chain of custody ...

May wish to grab the seatbelt, Jay--from all appearances, the left is going to keep pushing.

Arrogance coupled with ignorance will do that.What they fail to recognize is that the 2nd Amendment protects the 1st.

As any of us bitter clingers could tell you.

Jay, you've got it right with the three box thing. You've also got it on the self-correcting part - the political pendulum always swings, and it cannot be tied in one position or it swings back even harder the other way.

The Dems have been gaming the system, though, and they've been gaming it hard and fast. It isn't right, and it's emphatically not healthy for the electoral process.

I, for one, don't want to see the ammo box opened, and I believe a lot of the folks who are nominally left would be going "Oh - WTF are you idiots DOING?!" to their own side long before the situation got to that point.

Rather - I WANT to believe that. Whether they actually will remains to be seen. It depends on whether they've got a 'win at all costs' mentality. If they don't - then they'll self-correct. If not - it's a positive feedback loop. Each election they get away with simply shows them they can get away with it - and to double their efforts on 'getting out the vote'.

But electoral corruption won't get better through ignoring it, any more than a broken crankshaft will magically mend itself.

I try to get them out of the way early, galoob. Frees me up for other things.

Funny that last week you were accusing me of anti-Semitism because I don't support Netanyahu's settlement policy on the West Bank and Israeli spying on the USA, but this week Mel Gibson being shunned in polite company for his rants about how "the fucking Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" is an egregious infringement on free speech and "political correctness."

You use the fate of poor Mel Gibson (and Michael Richards ranting at hecklers with the n-word) in support for why political violence on the right might be justifiably coming, because our "essential freedoms" are under attack.

Tell me, what prison is Mel Gibson in for his nutty ranting about Jews?

News flash, galoob: this article isn't about you. In fact, it's as about as far from being about you as I could write without specifically saying "this isn't about you, galoob."

Now I've corrected that. So knock off trying to spin it to being about you and your vapidities.

J.

The dems are working fast and furious to eliminate (not merely close) the soap box and the ballot box.

Unfortunately, I think a lot of people on the left are quite content to let them do just that. I think that they really do think that obama is some sort of philosopher king who could bring enlightened dictatorial rule to mankind. To that end they would surrender their rights because he would bring peace and universal harmony. after all this is when the oceans began to recede isn't it? All by the one's command.

We have a quickly closing window of opportunity to secure the sanctity of the ballot box. This is not about winning elections, it's about ensuring that the people entitled to vote get to vote and their votes are counted. It's about ensuring that those not entitled to vote do not. The left is not interested in either of those things. I do not believe that most of them are redeemable in that regard. We will have to constantly fight them to keep elections clean.

Without real ballot reform (purging the rolls, proper ID, securing the ballot box, etc) this country is lost. The GOP is too absorbed in their own inside the beltway games to care. Frankly, I don't see this happening.

Spot on Jay Tea. I've long been an advocate of death penalty for election tampering.

That is the reason the lefties want to lock and bury the ammo box. They don't want the hairy unwashed thwarting their goals. That goal is a total domination of the American political system. The left does not want any push back, to their so-called entitlement of power, so they go after the Second Amendment with all of the resources that they can muster. So far, they have not seceded in getting the firearms out of our hands yet, but they will eventually get a majority of gun grabbers on the SCOTUS and then the rest of us can kiss the Second Amendment goodbye.

News flash, galoob: this article isn't about you. In fact, it's as about as far from being about you as I could write without specifically saying "this isn't about you, galoob."

No, but it obviously is partly about Mel Gibson and what you describe as "politically correct" infringements on his "soap-box" rights to rant and rave against the Jews, because that's something you cite as an example of losing freedoms.

So, Mel Gibson has had his "soap-box" rights taken away from him. How? Or is it that Jews and others repelled by Gibson's ranting about the Jews have their own rights to stay away from him and not do business with him?

We could also get into Mel's threats and hateful tirades on tape against his girlfriend Oksana. Wow, it's really a danger to our liberties that people treat him like scum because he's, like, scum.

And this is one reason why right wingers might be picking up the guns? Because Mel Gibson can't get a deal in Hollywood now? That's rich even for you, JT.

galoob, we're all fully familiar with your little "find one tiny aspect of the article and focus on that to bury the thesis of the piece" trick," so you can go try to find a new one.

That one's boring. Almost as boring as the RAAAAACE card.

J.

"...the liberals and the extremists on our side..."

Why not say the extremists on both sides? Why allow their extremists tag our far right side as extremists while they prefer to be known as liberals or progressives?

With regard to being locked and loaded, I've always felt as though I was somewhat a passive personality, but if I weren't going to Hell before, Obama and his openly corrupt Democrat minions have guaranteed my membership. Be assured this is not an idle threat we make. In my very conservative area in SW Ohio, I cannot walk down the aisle of Home Depot or sit in a restaurant without some stranger seemingly begging for a confirmation on what we may need to do to restore the pride and integrity of our country. It is now apparent that our justice system and Republican party has neither the desire or means to control the rampant and open voter fraud. Jay may well be correct in his assessment that the time is near for the third box.

I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve ...Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

one tiny aspect of the article

I'd say the Mel Gibson thing is one window into the weird world view of JT and the fellow right wingers he's appealing to.

The rest of the "soap box" examples, with the exception of speech codes at public universities, have nothing to do with infringing "soap box" rights. If I organize a boycott of Glen Beck's or Rush Limbaugh's advertisers, I'm just exercising my own "soap box" speech and free association rights. I suppose you would want to make it illegal to organize boycotts of advertisers or write letters complaining about Rush Limbaugh, or what? Ridiculous.

Also, are you aware that the "assault weapons" ban expired years ago? And that neither Obama nor the Congress have sought its reinstatement?

Oh, we'll be using our ammo boxes, Jay. We'll be using them to defend our homes and businesses from looters and thieves who have been taught all their lives to "spread the wealth."

Katrina is a great example of this. The hapless leftie mayor tried to evacuate the city post-storm, and armed business owners told him to get stuffed. They stayed to defend their property from the looters. They painted "ARMED. LOOTERS WILL BE SHOT" on their boarded up shops and when the waters drained they unboarded and set up their businesses again.

That's the ammo box. It's not some end-of-the-world fantasy, it is reality, right now, in places like inner city Detroit and New Orleans and Los Angeles. Coming to a city near you, thanks to the left.

Galoob a question for you. How come all of the lefties can say anything they want and never get in trouble for it? Yet Mel Gibson and others say the same thing and they get their careers ruined. Good example of the hypocrisy that the left perpetrates is the hip-hop gurus. They can rap about killing women, use vulgar language, use anti-Semitic references and the use of the "N" word in every other line of their rants. Hell calling George W Bush a Nazi was the number one past time of people like you, Galoob. When someone complains about the way the left speaks, they get on their high horse and say it is free speech. A conservative points out the failings of Obama and the Congressional Black Caucus, we are "RAAAASCIT"

I don't think I've ever commented here before but this post struck a nerve so here goes.

First, when I write pieces like the "three boxes" analysis above, do you find yourself nodding and saying "yeah, that's right. That's just what I feel?"

Second, when you read articles that evoke that response, do you find yourself relaxing a little, feeling a touch more secure that you're not alone in feeling and believing those things?

I've been thinking for a few years now that things are going to come to a bad end because of the arrogance and blind will to power of the left.

And please note that I'm not talking just about election fraud but also about speech codes, the silencing of any discussion of the danger posed by Islam, the not-so-slow erosion of our Fourth Amendment rights at airports, etc. etc.

The American people are amazingly patient and forgiving but there is a limit. I won't presume to say when that limit will be reached or what the exact consequences will be but I'm pretty sure it won't be pretty and it won't be anything any of us would wish for. Sadly though, the hard core left (as has been the case with tyrants--in this case domestic tyrants--throughout our history) see our patience and tolerance as weakness to be exploited and will not stop until they are stopped by force.

I think it would ease the situation, at least to some extent, if the newly empowered Republicans took serious action to defund the worst of the Leftist thugs such as ACORN, the ACLU, and the Southern Poverty Law Center to name just a few. And I do mean effective action, not just lip service as has been the case in the past on the few occasions when the they have awakened from their slumber and noticed that something is terribly wrong.

I saw a quote recently (I wish I could remember where). I don't know if it's a well known quote or something someone came with on the spur of the moment but it pretty much expresses my feelings on these topics:
"If you hammer the American people enough you will forge the most lethal weapon the world has ever known."

"There's an old saying that American freedom stands upon three boxes: the soap box, the ballot box, and the ammunition box."

Actually, I've always heard it as 'soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box', but yeah I generally agree with what you're saying here.

However, I think I disagree with this somewhat:
"..the potential gains (a single election) simply don't compare to the potential losses (scandal, jail, and possible violent backlash)."

As long as the gains are perceived as real and the losses are perceived as merely 'potential', then we are going to keep getting more attempts at election fraud from the Left.

Galoob a question for you. How come all of the lefties can say anything they want and never get in trouble for it? Yet Mel Gibson and others say the same thing and they get their careers ruined.

You tell me. Aside from ranting about "the fucking Jews starting all the wars," he only said things like this:

Oksana: "I don't walk around in tight clothes. I stay at home most of the time."

Mel Gibson: "You f***ing do. You go out in public and it's a f***ing embarrassment. You look like a f***ing bitch on heat. And if you get raped by a pack of n****** it'll be your fault, alright? Because you provoked it."

MG "You are provocatively dressed all the time with your fake boobs, you feel you have to show off in tight outfits and tight pants [inaudible] and that green thing today was enough - that's provocative. Ok? I'm telling you. I'm just telling you the truth."

MG "I don't like it. I don't want that woman. I don't want you. I don't believe you anymore. I don't trust you. I don't love you. I don't want you. Ok?"

MG "Stay in the f***ing house. I'm not giving it to you but I'll let you stay there. Ok? And I will take care of my child but I don't want you anymore."

Mel's obviously a well-balanced individual whom anyone would want to do business with.
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Jay
Good article Jay. I am getting tired of the double standared by the left, however I find it mystifying how you can write something like this and mention guns at 11AM on a Monday and up front and 1ST to comment within a rather short period of time is a resident troll. I mean I just got home and it was a early day. I took out the dog, read the mail and here I am . Now, some might ask "don't these people work ". I actually believe gallob does...still in the basement...possibly at the WH but definitely for OFA.

...Because it won't be pretty...

But it will be justified as revenge for mistaking our tolerance of your freedoms as ignorance and savored as sweet revenge for your public mockery of our conservative women.

However, what will make me most proud will be the fact that standing along side me will be citizens of all races, religions and political beliefs - this I guarantee!

haha ...KNIGHTBRIGADE is the poster child for this article.

I will be side by side with others such as Brian Richard Allen if and when the time comes.

November did a lot to lower some tension, but there is a long way to go.

As for the comfort in authors and articles like this? Yes and no.
Yes, that it CONFIRMS what the REALITY is in this MSM/liberal spinhole of a world.
NO, in that WE/"the HARD right" already know are numbers and capabilities, and that some day WE may have to ACT.
Great perspective and observations make for great articles. Nice Mr. Jay Tea

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I was on topic. You brought up Mel Gibson and his lack of free speech. I demolished your foolish argument about Mel Gibson.

Can't handle the truth, like any authoritarian.

galoob, you focused exclusively on three incidental words in a single eighteen-word aside from an essay of almost 1200 words. You utterly and completely disregarded the thesis of the piece to harp on not even something I said I believe, but on something I think others might see as part of a larger picture. The only reason I can think of you doing that is to keep people from talking about that bigger picture, that overall thesis, so you get them wrapped around your little hangup.

So yeah, I disemvoweled your comment. I don't regret it in the least. As an authority figure here (author and editor), I will occasionally exercise that authority. I do so rarely and never lightly. This was one of those times.

Don't like it? Go elsewhere. Please.

Keep pushing against established rules and policies and precedents, I'll exert my authority more. Or you could simply limit yourself to the topics at hand, and still be a pain in the ass.

Your call. Your move.

J.

I'm touched by Jay's concern over voting irregularities. That's why I'm waiting for him to mention incidents such as this: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8187

Though I suppose voting machine errors aren't interesting when they steal votes from Democrats and aren't watched over by Harry Reid's son.

John, I've dealt with touch screens. That looks like a calibration issue -- note that the first touch was right on the line between the two categories.

Further, I look for patterns. The libertarians don't exactly have a lengthy history of rigging elections -- but the Democrats do.

Finally, I've always thought we should never get away from paper ballots, and that video is more proof of how right I am.

J.

Jay, you wrote a whole post about a woman who claimed (with no evidence) that her Republican vote was changed. But no mention at all about an actual video showing a Democratic vote changed. And even then, you dismiss it as just a calibration issue, while the Republican issue had obviously insidious motivations. Interesting.

Also, a calibration issue would be if the machine consistently registered the touch an inch or so from where it was. Watch the video again. The second time it clearly registered the tough accurately, but apparently it does so only 1/4 of the time. That's not a calibration issue.

You left out the Jury Box (Jury Nullification) which is still really important too because the judiciary has conspired to keep the jury's right to nullify "bad" law -- by finding their fellow citizens "not guilty" when charged with violations of laws that are contrary to common sense or the Constitution -- from jurors.

It would seem to be a small problem because so few are investigated and rarely prosecuted.It is like dope smuggling, only about 10% is caught and 90% gets by.Even a small number of fraud votes can swing an election. Much of the seats at stake are down ballot and the candidates do not have the funds or organization to challenge plus officials may simply deny that there is a problem.