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No hope for change with the TSA

For now, the will of the people must be denied... at least that seems to be the mindset coming from those in charge at the TSA:

John Pistole, the still-newish administrator of the TSA, told Candy Crowley on CNN's "State of the Union" today that the airport body scans and pat-downs are here to stay.

Pistole: Look, it's a difficult question, Candy. There's no doubt, and I understand the public debate, but --

Crowley: But you're still not going to change anything.

Pistole: No, not going to change.

 The President had this to say the day before:

"I understand people's frustrations," he said at a post-summit press conference in Lisbon. "And what I've said to the TSA is that you have to constantly refine and measure whether what we're doing is the only way to assure the American people's safety. And you also have to think through ... ways of doing it that are less intrusive."

"Every week I meet with my counterterrorism team and I'm constantly asking them whether ... what we're doing absolutely necessary," the President went on. "Have we thought it through? Are there other ways of accomplishing it that meet the same objectives?"

It's interesting to note that the current TSA head is Obama's third choice and that the guy before him, who was forced to withdraw his nomination, had different ideas as to TSA's mission:

President Obama's nominee to head the Transportation Security Administration told Congress on Tuesday he wants U.S. airport security to more closely resemble security at Israeli airports, where officers engage travelers in conversations and questions to determine whether they are a threat to aircraft.

"We should move even closer to an Israeli model where there's more engagement with passengers," Robert Harding told members of the Senate Commerce Committee.

Of course Harding is gone, Pistole is in and change isn't, apparently, coming.

For now.


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Comments (32)

Don't just "opt out" of ... (Below threshold)
Mark:

Don't just "opt out" of naked scanners only to be sexually molested/assaulted, instead. Boycott Flying COMPLETELY, until sanity returns! Please join us: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Flying/126801010710392

Those of you participating ... (Below threshold)
ChiefMinion:

Those of you participating in the Wed "opt out" protest, be sure to have some t-shirts made. You can wear them under your jacket. When requested to remove your jacket, you can make a statement without opening your mouth. Here's a few suggestions...

Hey Janet! Do I get dinner and a movie first?

What?!? no kiss?

[Picture of R. Lee Ermey] Not even the courtesy of a reach around?

Sen McCaskill may enjoy this. I don't.

I'm sure Jay's readers can do MUCH better than I.

As for myself, I fly no more. The TSA has handed a victory to the terrorists. I refuse to participate in said victory. W. started this mess. Obama drove it home.

I travel form Boston to Chi... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I travel form Boston to Chicago monthly. I have told the airlines that I would rather drive than surrender my 4th amendment rights.

I also suggested that since the TSA is an optional security agency, they should press the airports to rid themselves of the TSA.

Until then I will fly only when there is absolutely no other way to get to my destination. My family alone is minimally 30,000 air miles per year. The more people who tell them this the more the miles will add up for the airlines.

Oh, and if they thing the federal government will bail them out: With what? There is nothing left since obama has already spent it.

The Israelis get all they n... (Below threshold)
Jim Addison:

The Israelis get all they need from conversation. They pepper you with questions like where did you go to elementary school and what street was your high school on and other seemingly trivial things that probably wouldn't be part of a well-rehearsed cover story, then just watch how you react and answer. They have it down to a science.

Of course, they do profile, too, because they know the little five year old white boy isn't going to hijack the plane, so they don't need to molest him to be sure, just interview Mom and Dad.

Obama and his Administration holds to political correctness like religion, though, so they will be thrown out of office long before they allow TSA to target young muslim men who have recently traveled to Yemen or Pakistan.

Besides, they really want to know what your Grandma has between her thighs. For national security - you know, that stuff they don't give a rat's patootie about.

Pistole is the preeminent e... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Pistole is the preeminent example of a well-trained former FBI agent. You can't expect him to think outside the box. He's part of the team that designed the box, chose bidders to make and ship the box and trained others how to make damned sure the box stays taped shut.

When all you have is a hammer. EVERY problem is a nail.

Oh, as for "nothing is goin... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Oh, as for "nothing is going to change".

The sheeple start refusing to fly would have the airlines in an uproar with Washington. There would be changes real fast. Two of those leaving town on a rail would be Napalitano and Pistole.

It seems to me that the cur... (Below threshold)
Ron:

It seems to me that the current disgust with the TSA is one more symptom of a blind and out of control federal bureaucracy that considers the citizens to be a threat or the enemy. At best we are all considered to be chattel before our masters.

"The sheeple start refusing... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"The sheeple start refusing to fly would have the airlines in an uproar with Washington."

It's not enough to merely stop flying when you can. You need to tell the airlines that you're doing it and if you fly something significant you need to let them know how much business they just lost.

But the only real answer is to get rid of the TSA entirely. The airline industry was stuck with them initially, but now they can opt out and provide their own security. They are going to have to get to the point where paying for their own is cheaper than the business they are losing. But they had better move fast. Once people realize hat here are alternatives they won't be going back to the airlines.

"When I want your opi... (Below threshold)

"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you..."

...perfectly encapsulates Obama's attitude toward the electorate.

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Just another nail in the Ob... (Below threshold)
Michael:

Just another nail in the Obama coffin.

You wackos are beginning to... (Below threshold)
Tim Shepherd:

You wackos are beginning to look crazier and crazier.

"Just another nail in the Obama coffin" in your wacked out fantasy.

Poll: Should Airports use Full-Body X-Ray Scanners?

YES - 81%

NO - 15%

Don't KNOW - 4%

Write another 4 or 5 articles about this non-story, please. Show us how bat-shit crazy you guys are.

Americans realize that these are effective ways to stop terrorists. Fox News thinks they have another club to beat Obama with and you morons pick up the flag and run with it. What good little doggies you are. Morons...

"Americans realize that the... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Americans realize that these are effective ways to stop terrorists."

But it doesn't. The underpants bomber was still on the plane.

Only an imbecile thinks this works. Israeli style profiling works but libs don't want to do that because they are afraid of the word 'profiling' and they are all anti-Semitic.

The real point is to stop t... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The real point is to stop terrorists BEFORE they get on planes. The problem is that TSA and Homeland Security are about stopping the last terrorist from doing it again. This does nothing to make us safer.

Tim, when the next terrorist has a bomb concealed up his ass are you going to demand to have someone probe your ass before getting on an airplane? I've already read where authorities are concerned about just that and are considering what their response will be. But then again, it will be a response. They will let it happen first.

As I said, only an idiot thinks that these measures make us the least bit safer.

Poor little "Timmy the DNC ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

Poor little "Timmy the DNC echo chamber".

Timmy is TSA's list maker. Each time terrorists find a new item to pack explosives into, Timmy gets to add the new item to the list. Exciting work.

Timmy excels at being 're-active'. He can hardly wait for the 'anal bomber' to be discovered. He'll be moved from list maker to Chief Inspector of Cavities.

And his Mom never thought he'd amount to something.

Fox News thinks th... (Below threshold)
James H:
Fox News thinks they have another club to beat Obama with and you morons pick up the flag and run with it. What good little doggies you are. Morons...

Like Hell, Tim. I'm ticked off about these inspections, too, especially because if I fly and have to deal with this, the TSA won't have the decency to buy me dinner first.

Oh ... and ask anybody around here if I'm a Fox News watcher or one of the "good little doggies."

Oh, and one more thing ... When it comes to civil rights and civil liberties, first principles are far more important than the evanescent, ever-changing opinion of the majority. That's why we have a republic rather than a democracy.

For all of those getting ex... (Below threshold)
superdestroyer:

For all of those getting excited at Isreali having great security at the one commercial airport in the country need to remember that the key to getting through easily is to be:

1. An Israeli Jew.
2. Be accompanied by an Israeli Jew.
3. Be in a tour group with an Israeli Jew tour leader.

Yeah ... except that don't ... (Below threshold)
James H:

Yeah ... except that don't have to adopt all the particulars. Consider the general precepts, and they look pretty damn good:

1) Look for people, not things.
2) Train all personnel to look for people, not things.
3) Multiple layers of security.

@Tim Shepherd,That... (Below threshold)
Rick Caird:

@Tim Shepherd,

That is really a very stupid poll. There is no attempt to determine if any of the respondents had recently flown, had any intention of flying in the near future, or if they ever planned to fly. There was no indication of what either the scan or the pat down entailed. In other words the poll made zero effort to determine if the respondents knew anything about what was going on or were likely to be affected. Totally worthless poll except to people like you who hope to delude people into believing the poll had some meaning.

timmy: "You wackos are begi... (Below threshold)
Drago:

timmy: "You wackos are beginning to look crazier and crazier."

If so, how do you explain the recent election results?

Oh.

Right.

You don't.

You simply have talking points to regurgitate.

Carry on our little voice-actuated automaton.

the key to getting through ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

the key to getting through easily is to be:

1. An Israeli Jew.
2. Be accompanied by an Israeli Jew.
3. Be in a tour group with an Israeli Jew tour leader.
16. Posted by superdestroyer

So 'super'. Just what does a JEW look like? Do they all wear a Star of David on their clothes?

Another shit-for-brains liberal heard from.

Garand:<a href="ht... (Below threshold)
James H:

Garand:

This piece narrows that question down. Basically, the Israeli security asks you questions about being Jewish without asking if you're a Jew.

But again, that whole thing is a non-sequitir. Adopting the Israeli methods does not mean adopting them wholesale.

PS. Three-year-old probably won't blow up a plane. But please X-ray the diaper bag and bassinet before letting him in.

A question for Timmy and th... (Below threshold)
jim m:

A question for Timmy and the other libs here.

There have been numerous events described of people's rights being violated and of them being publicly humiliated by the TSA for doing nothing more than trying to take a trip on a plane. To be certain I have not seen any data that tells me how often this occurs so we are left with the anecdotal evidence that some number of people are having their 4th amendment rights violated.

So the question is at what point do you libs believe that we should start defending people's rights?

If this is just a few anecdotes are you OK with that? What if it is less than 1%? How about 5 or 10%? At what point on this slippery slope do you intend to stand up for other people's rights? Or does it not matter until it is you?

For my part I liken the TSA employees to the college students in the Milgram experiment. They are obeying orders despite the fact that they may disagree or that they do not like them (Media reports have said this much). But they obey unreasoningly and will not be turned from their task no matter how many people the violate or hurt.

Libs defend this behavior. They say that it is necessary for our safety. Well then who will protect us from the government?

Clearly the answer to that last question s not the left.

Remember: In Milgram's experiment 65% of the subjects were willing to kill the other unknown person on the instruction of someone they had never met before and hardly knew. Welcome to air travel in the US.

Odd. As a Catholic, not wi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Odd. As a Catholic, not with a jew, looking very little like a jewish stereo type, I had no problem with Israeli security...
But then I didn't look or act like someone trying to kill people or on my way to 72 virgins.

Americans realize that t... (Below threshold)

Americans realize that these are effective ways to stop terrorists.

Really? How many terrorists have been stopped by this?

Um, that we know about, Evi... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

Um, that we know about, Evil Otto?

Precisely... (carry the two, divide by...)

Ah. Zero.

The bombers got in from OUTSIDE the TSA system. Once inside the general passenger system, there's no re-examinations. Get on the plane in some third-world country after bribing someone to look the other way, and you're golden.

It's like the joke about the drunk looking under the streetlight for the keys he dropped back in a dark parking lot. He knows he's not going to find them - but the light is SO much better there.

"Every week I meet with ... (Below threshold)
Oyster:

"Every week I meet with my counterterrorism team and I'm constantly asking them whether ... what we're doing absolutely necessary," the President went on. "Have we thought it through? Are there other ways of accomplishing it that meet the same objectives?"

And he got an answer from Harding. It wasn't the answer he was looking for. What he's looking for is an answer that won't produce howls of anguish from his leftist supporters; not the one that makes the most sense.

These bloody fascists will ... (Below threshold)

These bloody fascists will "junk" the united States' Constitution, criminally assault and maul a billion innocent Americans and as the consequence likely destroy the world's finest air transportation.

But the fascist basta*ds will not lift a fat pinky to police our nation's sovereign borders, to repel the now 35-millions-strong and increasingly hostilely-colonizing criminal-alien army they have lined up against us, nor to other than incite, encourage and facilitate the Trojan Horse that is "moderate islam' and whose soldiers expect to soon de-horse and rape and/or sexually mutilate and/or to murder us all?

Go figger.

JLawson says "Get on the pl... (Below threshold)

JLawson says "Get on the plane in some third-world country after bribing someone to look the other way, and you're golden."

FRaid not. Ain't so. These days, every time you deplane anywhere in the world, you're re-checked before re-boarding.

Oh yeah, Jimmy H, you're a ... (Below threshold)
max:

Oh yeah, Jimmy H, you're a good little doggie all right. Jay Teas personal good little doggie.

Fetch!

TSA is a good way to waste ... (Below threshold)
John S:

TSA is a good way to waste $40 billion a year and provide grossly overpaid jobs for 70,000 soon to be unionized Smurfs. But it would be so much easier to PROFILE. Simply detain and sodomize everyone who looks like our Muslim president.

Max:Stuff it.... (Below threshold)
James H:

Max:

Stuff it.

max, you sure you wanna inv... (Below threshold)

max, you sure you wanna invite me into your little squabble? I would NOT advise it.

You got a problem with James? BFD. I could care less. Well, that's not entirely true, but I ain't gonna get involved. I got articles to write and a day job to do.

Unless you want me to. Unless you decide that you want to rope me into your dipshit little games.

I would not advise it, maxie. Not in the least.

J.




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