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Well, the lame-duck House passed the "DREAM Act" yesterday, which grants amnesty for a certain subset of illegal aliens. Specifically, college-age illegal aliens who came to the US before the age of 16 and have kept themselves mostly clean (only misdemeanor convictions) can apply for a green card and, eventually, citizenship.

There have been millions of pixels murdered in the name of arguing the merits of this bill (short version: I oppose it), but I would like the proponents of this measure to address three simple words I've grown sick of hearing:

Comprehensive immigration reform.

That's the phrase that's been brought up every single time the anti-illegal-alien side has proposed any kind of immigration reform measure. Allowing states and other local officials to enforce immigration laws? Increase border security? Speed up deportation procedures? Crack down on employers hiring illegals? Nope, can't do that. Those measure can only be considered as part of "comprehensive immigration reform."

I didn't like that, but my side repeatedly lost that argument. So, why the hell should this nightmare of an act be excluded from the same test? Why should it not be held off to be a part of a "comprehensive immigration reform" package?

I know the real answer, as I'm sure you do. Because the "comprehensive immigration reform" test only applies to those measures intended to enforce the existing laws and standards. Moves to make things easier for illegals -- those don't count.

But it should be entertaining to see just how the illegal alien proponents spin to answer the question of why the "comprehensive immigration reform" test they've imposed so many times in the past.


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Demo love rewarding everyon... (Below threshold)
mag:

Demo love rewarding everyone, except people who are citizens and work hard, obey the laws, and pay taxes, are responsiable.

The DREAM Act is a farce. ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

The DREAM Act is a farce. Just about anyone in the country illegally can "qualify". And as for the acts of "qualification", just who is going to check on them to insure compliance? The same people currently providing border security? The Democrats?

Let's face it, the government LIED TO US in 1986, they did not "secure the borders". Perhaps it's time to inundate Washington with a reminder of the 1986 statement that THERE WILL BE NO MORE AMNESTY.

It dies in the Senate.... (Below threshold)
Michael:

It dies in the Senate.

This in. According to Fox N... (Below threshold)
Stan:

This in. According to Fox News, Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, has called for a vote to table this monstrosity. According to Fox, the Dems did not have votes to get cloture. Looks like this piece of shit will be a distant memory for a few years.

It seems odd to me that at ... (Below threshold)
John:

It seems odd to me that at a time when we have 9.8% unemployment and have just extended unemployment benefits that we would be discussing increasing the potential work force with illegal im.... oh sorry undocumented workers. I think the last thing we need right now is undocumented workers. This seems to be not in the best interest of the general public, but then most of what comes from our political class seems to fit that overall profile.

Mostly the hard left looks ... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Mostly the hard left looks at our laws as really just guidelines while conservatives obey laws and expect others to do the same. When they don't, the consequences should come forward. It is simply a law and order issue. If our government says a certain group of people do not have to obey Federal law, then why should I? ww

The leftists have realized ... (Below threshold)
914:

The leftists have realized socialism is dead unless they blatantly break the law.

Executions are in order.

The only fallacy in your pr... (Below threshold)

The only fallacy in your presentation is that "comprehensive" and "amnesty" sound identical to Liberal/Progressive ears.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"

I'd love cogent, l... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:


I'd love cogent, logical answers to 2 question,regarding immigration.

1. Just what is hard to understand about the term ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT?

2. Why can we not enforce EXISTING immigration law, and see where that takes us?

It helps, however, to realize that the immigration problem we face is a result--the root cause is Mexico's unwillingness or inability to work on improving the living standards of it's citizenry. Until that is addressed, nothing will change, it will only worsen.

The dishonesty of this act ... (Below threshold)
Bob:

The dishonesty of this act is patent. How can someone prove when and at what age he/she entered this country illegally? Why give citizenship to people to "plan" to go to college or into military service? If this were a legit plan, the rewards would come upon receipt of a 4-year college diploma, an honorable discharge following military service or successful completion of a term of enlistment (for someone who elects to remain in the military). This should be entitled the Prelude to Amnesty Act.

My grandfather left Norway ... (Below threshold)
Paul Hooson:

My grandfather left Norway at the age of 12, never returning home to sail on ships the rest of his life learning to speak English in London, eventually becoming a citizen of this country and a major ship captain. His major ship was captured by the Japanese during WWII while suppling the Allies with weapons for their Pacific Campaign. What's wrong with that immigrant story?

John Kay of Steppenwolf, was born legally blind in Eastern Germany, his mother escaped the Russians to improve his diet enough that her son would at least be able to keep some vision and emigrated to Canada and eventually the U.S. John Kay has a far greater knowledge about this country's heritage of freedom than most native born American's I've ever seen. He's filled with pride every time he visits Washington, D.C. and the Jefferson memorial. His album, MONSTER, is one of most intelligent statements about American freedom ever published.

For the record, some of our very best citizens weren't born in this country. They were immigrants. Let's not lose that perspective.

Paul,Did they both... (Below threshold)
Harmon:

Paul,

Did they both immigrate legally? If so, what's your problem? I didn't see anyone arguing against LEGAL immigration.

It they were not legal immigrants, why not? From your description, it sounds as if they both would have qualified for legal immigration under the laws as they existed at the time.

Or are you saying that all individuals are allowed to flout whatever laws they choose without suffering any adverse consequences?

Illegal aliens are vastly o... (Below threshold)
Drago:

Illegal aliens are vastly over-represented in our prison population:

"In 2004, the year when the data was most recently available, 12.4 percent of California prisoners were illegal immigrants, as compared with an estimated 6.9 percent of the state population. In Arizona, 11.1 percent of the prison population was undocumented, compared with 7 percent of the overall state population. In Texas, the percentage was also slightly higher in the prisons than it was statewide."

Further, as 2008, 11 of 13 emergency rooms in Los Angeles County have been shuttered due to the influx of illegals.

This means 11 fewer emergency rooms for citizens and legal residents and aliens.

But hey, that's all cool and everything because Paul Hoosen's dad came to the US a hundred years ago and some rocker from Steppenwolf loves America.

Dont let actual facts get ... (Below threshold)
914:

Dont let actual facts get in the way of Pauls utopia Drago.

By the way Paul, got any christmas specials in the store? Maybe steppenwolf can perform an unemployment benefit in the parking lot and feed some Obama starved citizens. The legal ones of course.

Operative word in John Kay'... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Operative word in John Kay's story, Paul, is emigrate.
I suspect the same holds true of your grandfather

Which store 914? The onlin... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Which store 914? The online store that sells cheap Chinese electric scooters that even Paul can't operate safely or the non-union grocery store?

Folks, give Hooson a break.... (Below threshold)

Folks, give Hooson a break. The poor guy is incapable of distinguishing between legal and illegal immigrants. To him, they're interchangeable. Which means that the legal ones are idiots, because they go through all the hoops and rigamarole and processes for no real reason. They should find a way to get here regardless, because it's the illegal ones who get to cut to the head of the line.

J.

The only immigrati... (Below threshold)

The only immigration law that should be demanded is to make illegal entrance into the United States a felony, with no excuses and no exceptions. This includes businesses that are twice caught hiring illegal workers, should be subject to a harsh fine, confiscation of business assets and after the second conviction--prison. It's blatantly obvious to me, that for years Washington has deceived the American people of both political parties. There has been no intention of enforcing immigration laws and this is proven without doubt. If illegal immigration had severe consequences, such as the above penalties the only enforcement program needed would be E-Verify mandated for every business owner. The majority of other restriction tools needed to halt the free flow of desperate, destitute people would radically decline; knowing that you would be convicted of a class "A" felony would collapse the ongoing flow.

This would be huge disincentive to economic foreign nationals crossing our borders, or using the excuse of being a tourist, fully aware they are not leaving once their visa runs out. No! There has been no true intention of halting illegal aliens coming here for work, or to commit crimes. Both Democrats and Republicans have remained impassive to the invasion, whether its 13 million or 20 million foreigners who have skirted our laws; of course that's according which side of the Washington chambers you are inclined to believe? Over thirty years of government neglect has brought this nightmare upon us, of incessant crimes against lawful citizens and permanent residents. Americans land owners living in constant fear along the 2000 miles of mostly unprotected border. Both political parties irrationally forget who pays their salaries and pensions while American find their wages sinking and the majority of Social programs of having to share these entitlements with illegal labor and their families.

Around the country, we have activist judges who ignore the US constitution and instead construe the law according to personal political orientation. Even now Arizona is under bombardment from open border radicals, or pro business entities, who do not want this Border States policing laws to be upheld. Then again the IRS is complicit in allowing illegal aliens to squat here, by issuing ITIN numbers, as foreigners cannot possess a real Social Security card. Over the last ten years we have seen an escalation in ID theft, with the courts saying this is not classed as a felony. Another un-exaggerated point is that illegal alien workers are collecting billions of dollars in income tax refunds, for children who don't exist or filing for the same child twice by each parent. For those people who believe that this is an embellishment, one only has to Google key words--illegal alien costs; illegal alien income tax refunds.

The are highly regarded reports on the expenditures of federal, state and county support of foreign nationals, that you as the taxpayer is erroneously paying. Sanctuary States like California under Liberal progressive control in Sacramento is depleting the state of billions of dollars, as they subsidize the millions in just Los Angeles County alone? The schools are in turmoil from overcrowding of children of illegal families, who by mandated law must be educated. In understaffed county hospitals have become places of last resort, for the multitudes of foreign nationals who live below the poverty line, so they are dependent on taxpayers. California has become an incubator for hundreds of thousands of illegal pregnant females, who collect under their new citizens-babies, namely billions of more dollars soaked from you and me.

Their children are a valuable commodity, because our 14th amendment law has been with intent compromised, so that children of illegal aliens are issued food stamps, low income housing and a large profusion of cash payment and other freebies. These illegal women are already aware that once the stand on our soil, that the US taxpayer will support them and all their children. Until we halt the illegal immigration occupation of this country, we a steadily heading for a irrevocable overpopulation. It should be remembered for every legal or illegal immigrant who settles here, brings many more immediate relation group follows. Every year millions come to America who already has a legal or illegal family member, who offers either a safe haven or an affidavit of support; who they sponsor. When an illegal alien is caught along the border, the US agents ask that individual where are they are going.

The majority answer I have a brother, or uncle in Denver, Salt Lake City or other major hub, who has a job for me. This is almost a perpetual loop of the same story over and over again. Alas, there is not enough room to explain what is happening around America ITS AN FINANCIAL catastrophe. ? Why should US citizens have to compete with foreign nationals? Why should legal construction workers or a laborer in any other job, have to compete with Contractors who hire foreign workers? When is this injustice to the American population going to end? Remember that--CHAIN MIGRATION--puts the United States in serious peril, even more so than the original sponsors. Learn much more about the OVERPOPULATION and its risks to the environment, infrastructure and quality of life at NumbersUSA The Dream Act in itself not a menace, although at least a 800.000 students would be eligible if they abide by the law?

The major problem that once legalized over how many years, they could bring in a whole spectrum of family. Chain migration has silently snowballed from the 1986 Immigration bill. Since that law was passed the Congress has quietly passed six amnesties, without any explanation, while at the same time admitting over a million new legal immigrants a year through a lottery of specific working visas. The Dream Act if passed is just another stealth type back door amnesty. Hopefully in our future--the TEA PARTY--will put an end to this serious pretense of each administration supposedly working for the populace. Don't give any Senator or Representative breathing room, and should get a cordial call the Washington Switchboard 202-224-3121 Until the Dream Act is amended--is must not be voted on--as is.

Our Constitution is dead. ... (Below threshold)
Ellie Light:

Our Constitution is dead. Our politicians buried it years ago. We now witness what results when our citizens don't know what our Constitution means.

Wanted to say "hey" to JayT... (Below threshold)
-S-:

Wanted to say "hey" to JayTea!

I'm glad the DREAM mess is, for now, waylaid -- I anticipate that the Left will attempt to resurrect this mess, however, in the future, unfortunately.

Wanted to say, "hey" to JayTea, though, long time, no talk-to.

Best wishes, Merry Christmas!




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