... not all fundamentalists are the same yet it's core Christian progressive doctrine to espouse the belief that Islamic extremism is no more or less different than any other religious extremism... that all fundamentalism is dangerous.... and that this is why criticism of Islamism is bigoted and indeed Islamophobic.
I give you the words of Susan, a leftist Christian "desperate preacher", as evidence for the mindset:
The same fundamentalist mindset of the Islamic fundamentalists exists in fundamentalist Christians. Those who hold so tightly and legalistically to their belief system are afraid of anything other than their own beliefs, and attack, whether verbally or violently. Eg. those who bomb abortion clinics, because of their rabid pro-life stance.
Violence has been carried out by fundamentalist Christians against Muslims in this country, and as Deke stated against Sikhs, who the Christians were so ignorant and mis informed, guided by FEAR, and didn't realize the Sikhs are Hindu, not Islamic.
Hate exists across many groups.
There are, thankfully, those who thoughtfully disagree.
Sam Harris is an activist atheist and obviously not someone who I would link arms with from a perspective of faith but he addresses this idiotic notion of fundamentalist equivalence and does so to effect. Listen and learn:
H/T Gates of Vienna.



Comments (7)
And Buddist, Hindu, Mormon,... (Below threshold)1. Posted by tomg51 | December 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Score: -5 (7 votes cast)
And Buddist, Hindu, Mormon, shao-lin, democrat, republican, libertarian, atheist, teachers union members, and SEC conference football fan extremists are all right up there with Hitler
1. Posted by tomg51 | December 27, 2010 11:08 AM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 11:08
2. Posted by jim m | December 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Score: 7 (7 votes cast)
A lone voice crying in the leftist wilderness. Never-the-less, it's encouraging to hear that there is at least one liberal who gets it.
2. Posted by jim m | December 27, 2010 11:50 AM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 11:50
3. Posted by kevino | December 27, 2010 12:33 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
RE: "The same fundamentalist mindset of the Islamic fundamentalists exists in fundamentalist Christians."
Lunacy. I can't think of a single Christian suicide bomber. The closest thing to a Christian terrorist in this century are bombers at abortion clinics (see below).
RE: "Those who hold so tightly and legalistically to their belief system are afraid of anything other than their own beliefs, and attack, whether verbally or violently."
There is no evidence to show that fear is a motivating factor in Christian fundamentalism (or in Islamic fundamentalism, either.) In the case of Islamic fundamentalism, the primary cause appears to be the idea of promoting Islam by outlawing any alternatives.
RE: "Eg. those who bomb abortion clinics, because of their rabid pro-life stance."
Not only are they rare, but the purpose of their attacks are to stop actions by others. They aren't attacking others based on their religious beliefs, unless you believe that "pro-life" is a religion.
3. Posted by kevino | December 27, 2010 12:33 PM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 12:33
4. Posted by hcddbz | December 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Score: 2 (2 votes cast)
The thing that occurred during the 80's and 90's that linked Fundamentalist Christian with abortion clinics were three separate approaches were combined into by the press.
1. Christians decided to take a page out of the left manuscript and did sit in at abortion clinics. So there were sit ins and candle light visuals.
2. You had those who would yell at women and carry signs in front of abortion clinics and yell at people going in. So change the word "baby killer" to scab and it ok.
3. You had the abortion clinic bombers like the weather Underground.
Now unlike when it done on the left and the various forms of protest were separated all of them were combined into Radical Fundamentalist Christian.
with the left the world is always shades of Gray unless it the so called right, then it always simple, they are evil, mean, racist, etc.
4. Posted by hcddbz | December 27, 2010 1:16 PM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 13:16
5. Posted by John H | December 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Score: 1 (1 votes cast)
I wonder how Sam Harris feels about the human rights records of governments that take an official stand of atheism.
5. Posted by John H | December 27, 2010 2:31 PM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 14:31
6. Posted by jim m | December 27, 2010 4:19 PM | Score: 0 (0 votes cast)
"I wonder how Sam Harris feels about the human rights records of governments that take an official stand of atheism."
Like most atheists it is clear from listening to his other speaches that he has not bothered to closely examine his own views. His non-belief has at least as many elements of faith as anyone else's belief.
I doubt that he even thinks twice about the failings of officially atheist governments and like most libs would shrug off any criticism by saying that "This time it will work because we are smarter than they were."
6. Posted by jim m | December 27, 2010 4:19 PM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 16:19
7. Posted by Michael Laprarie | December 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Score: 0 (2 votes cast)
"The only problem[s] with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam."
Ouch.
7. Posted by Michael Laprarie | December 27, 2010 4:23 PM |
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Posted on December 27, 2010 16:23