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No Compassion

As more and more details come out about the Tucson shooting, it's becoming clearer that the shooter (whose name I will not mention) had serious mental issues. Indeed, some people have looked at his writings and conduct and speculate that he was schizophrenic, perhaps enhanced by drug and alcohol abuse. He needs treatment, medication, and intense therapy to return to something resembling stability.

I don't care.

I don't care about his mental state at the time of the shooting. I don't care about its origins. I don't care about how it might be treated.

He damn near killed a member of the House of Representatives. He did kill a federal judge and five others -- including a 9-year-old girl born on 9/11/01. He wounded a dozen more, some gravely. Many, many lives will never be the same.

For that, there must be justice. He must face a jury of his peers for his actions. And should he be convicted, the death penalty is applicable and available in this case. Should that not be imposed, then life imprisonment would be appropriate.

Years ago, in the movie "Manhunter," the first Hannibal Lecter movie, an FBI profiler is asked if he empathizes with the serial killer he's hunting. And that exchange has always stuck with me:

Jack Crawford: You feel sorry for him.
Will Graham: As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks.


I'm sorry that the alleged killer had such issues. I wish to hell he'd gotten the help he needed before he acted yesterday. But now it's too late, and he must never be given the slightest opportunity to lash out again.

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Now watch the people that m... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Now watch the people that most adamantly desire him to be rehabilitated, that he not be judged, that he be shown compassion, that he be forgiven , are the the folks who most adamantly fight the legal killing of unborn children.

Congratulations on your eff... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Congratulations on your efficiency, Mr Tea. Less than 24 hours after the murders, you have figuratively tried, convicted, and executed the alleged killer.

Your love of the Constitution, particularly the due process clause, is noted.

I don't feel compassion eit... (Below threshold)
yttik:

I don't feel compassion either, just that awful sense of waste. The whole thing is just so incredibly sad and pointless. I hope that as a tribute to the victims, we can all celebrate life and live a little more in honor of those who can't.

Regardless of his motivatio... (Below threshold)
Matt:

Regardless of his motivations he crossed a line that marks him as irreedemable. He has earned the death penalty. I am glad he wasn't killed on site since he can now be interrogated for information to determine if this was/wasn't a wider conspiracy.

Bruce, I see you skipped o... (Below threshold)
Bryce:

Bruce, I see you skipped over the sections that said
"For that, there must be justice. He must face a jury of his peers for his actions. And should he be convicted..." and
"I'm sorry that the alleged killer had such issues."

No, I saw that window dress... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

No, I saw that window dressing, Mr Bryce. I also saw the part where our hero said this:

"I don't care about his mental state at the time of the shooting."

Well, I can assure you, Mr Tea, and anyone else reading this that the law DOES care. And anyone who quacks as loudly about the Constitution as Mr Tea does should know that.

Bruce, last I heard this is... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Bruce, last I heard this is a political blog and comments, posts, etc. reflect current issues along with the thoughts and emotions. We, conservatives that is, are grown ups, we know when the trial comes into play, evidence rules. I know that. But I still want this murderer of a 9 year old dealt with harshly. You my friend are becoming more of an imbecile with each passing day. Take a few months off. You are looking very petty. ww

Bryce, you have to understa... (Below threshold)

Bryce, you have to understand how Bruce works. If he hasn't got the latest leftist talking points, he whines about my expressing opinions at all.

He doesn't quite get this whole "blog" thing, but he won't let that stop him from trying to contribute...

J.

You do know that there is a... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

You do know that there is a difference between statutory law and the constitution, right Bruce?

FInd me the words "Mental defect" anywhere in the constitution> I will be waiting.

I thought the "latest lefti... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I thought the "latest leftist talking points" were that the Tea Party is responsible. Or Sarah Palin. Or something.

Not that you don't give a damn about whatever the law says about a person who may be legally insane at the time that person commits a crime.

But hey, you're right, it's your blog. I'll quit "whining." It's just that I thought the "whole 'blog' thing" was about you posting articles and your readers commenting on them. My bad.

Yes, Bruce, your bad. I wri... (Below threshold)

Yes, Bruce, your bad. I write whatever the hell I like, usually involving my opinions. Sometimes I lay out the facts and spell out why I came to my opinions, other times I just vent.

Somehow, you seem to think I hold some great role of responsibility, where my every word holds tremendous power, and I should always keep that foremost in mind whenever I put fingers to keyboard. And you excoriate me when I fail to meet this standard you've fantasized up for me.

Sorry, Bruce. I never accepted your definition of my role. Hell, you've never spelled it out; I've had to derive it from your whinings when I "go astray." So I don't have a good way of what would please you.

Not that it would matter. I have my own set of priorities for my blogging, and "meeting Bruce's nebulous expectations" is really, really, really, really, really, really down that list. Hell, I don't think it even is on the list, and I've just scrolled through 47 pages.

J.

It was the "47 pages" thing... (Below threshold)
Upset Old Guy:

It was the "47 pages" thing that got you the up vote and my first smile of the day.

As stated several posts fur... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

As stated several posts further back "The shooter was an evil sick SOB that I hope gets an express lane ride to hell's front doors."

Bruce, get off your projection hobbyhorse, you really look like an imbecile.
Come to think of it, that's pretty normal for you though, never mind.

After John Hinkley was acqu... (Below threshold)
Bob:

After John Hinkley was acquitted on an insanity defense, Congress tightened up the definition. Now to be found not guilty because of insanity, a defendant in a federal criminal prosecution must show, as an affirmative defense, that a serious mental illness or defect prevented him from appreciating the wrongful nature of his act. I have no doubt that the Tucson shooter will receive competent legal representation, which will include consideration of an insanity plea.

Within that context, I am fully in support of Jay Tea's comments.

That was quite a scolding I... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

That was quite a scolding I got in comment # 11, Mr Tea. I am chastened.

Of course you have no obligation to comment responsibly on legal matters. Attempting, after a few hours, to direct blame on brown-skinned Mexicans, or declaring that you don't care what the law says, hang the bastard!, after several more hours have passed, can NOT be characterized as "rabble-rousing."

Again, my bad.

Because, after all, you have NO audience or following. The proprietor of this blog has you on precisely for that reason, right?

Well, Bruce, I have a dedic... (Below threshold)

Well, Bruce, I have a dedicated follower in you... but, luckily, you see through my ploys and games and chicanery whenever I try to pull something.

Yeah, I was wrong on my initial theory on the perpetrator. I was going off preliminary info that later turned out to be wrong, but my theory met the known facts. Or do you want to argue that Mexican drug cartels have NOT used automatic weapons to kill government officials in that general region? Or that Giffords was NOT a supporter of increased border security?

It was a dead heat as to who would first point out my error -- and I think I won it. And unlike Kos, I don't try to bury or delete my mistakes. I own 'em.

So, Bruce, let's cut the bullshit. Just what is your beef with me, and what the hell should I be doing? As I said, I have my own idea about what my role here is, and it's served me pretty well.

You disagree. So cut the petty little games and spell it out.

I promise not to laugh.

Too much.

J.

"I promise not to laugh."</... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"I promise not to laugh."

"Too much."

I promise I'll pick up the slack.
Bruce never fails to entertain with his fact free blithering. I'm certain he'll be right along with more of his tripe.

No beef, Mr Tea. All in fun... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

No beef, Mr Tea. All in fun. I think you're a very clever writer, and believe it or not, I sometimes agree with you. I flatter myself that I sometimes have valid criticisms that you may want to address, but alas, they're usually met with snark and a complaint about hurt feelings.

I have no more beef with you than I do with Rick, or Mr Drummond. You all seem to take things so personally, though, that I guess I really should "tone it down," to borrow a phrase. Please accept my apology for seeming to persecute you. I really do mean it well.

Shorter Bruce: "I got nothi... (Below threshold)

Shorter Bruce: "I got nothing."

You'll piss and moan about how poorly I do my job, but when given a golden opportunity to present just what you think I should be doing, you wuss out. You resort to petty, insincere flattery and transparently false modesty to deflect from being caught out.

You're a parasite, Bruce, you flatters yourself into thinking you're in some kind of symbiotic relationship with us. (No, I'm not using the royal "we;" you roped DJ into this, and in his absence, I feel comfortable speaking for him in this instance.)

We could survive just fine without you, Bruce. Hell, he did fine before you, and do fine in your absence. But could you get by without us?

Wouldn't mind finding out...

J.

OK, Mr Tea. I think you sho... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

OK, Mr Tea. I think you should refrain from rabble-rousing. I think you should avoid leaping to conclusions - people get hurt, sometimes, when opinion leaders do that. I think you should be consistent. If you believe in the Constitution and the rule of law, your writing should reflect that belief. And I think you should accept criticism, even if sarcastically phrased, with more grace.

And that goes for your fellow writers as well.

Not that it's my place to define your job descriptions. But you asked.

I'm sorry you feel my compliments are "insincere flattery." I meant them.

I'm sure Wizbang would do fine without me. And you are correct that I would be saddened if I were no longer able to participate. But you should do what you feel is right. Just know that no personal malice is intended on my part.

Bruce, thanks for your hone... (Below threshold)

Bruce, thanks for your honesty. I especially liked how you called the readers "rabble." It honestly portrays your condescension.

I write what I think, and what I feel. And I make a point of not inciting riot or violence.

Yes, I believe in the Constitution. It's my "Bible." And my "no compassion" piece this morning showed one thing -- that I should not be on that guy's jury.

But guess what? I also get angry, and write about things when I'm angry.

I am no "opinion leader." I'm one guy with opinions. I express 'em. People can take 'em or leave 'em. I speak purely for myself, and anyone who claims I speak for them does so without my consent.

You, as I said, are a parasite. You like to play your little games and snipe at me, with your condescending "Mr. Tea" and scolding me for my failures. And when I get irritated with your mosquito-bites and swat you, you pull the "my goodness! Why so sensitive?" routine.

It's tiresome, Bruce. Don't be surprised when I get tired of it.

J.

"Just know that no personal... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Just know that no personal malice is intended on my part."

Yet the tone of your comments speaks volumes. Essentially saying "I'm an asshole".

Bruce. . YOU, of all people... (Below threshold)
Ryan:

Bruce. . YOU, of all people in the world, are telling SOMEONE ELSE to avoid leaping to conclusions??? Really???

So Jay should conern himsel... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

So Jay should conern himself with what a delusional and mentally deficient reader may do after reading his pieces?
I don't know, it always seems to result in posts like yours Brucey, or a return visit from BryanD or Lee with their latest sock puppet identity. That seems to be predictable, and riskiest, outcome...
(Eclipses included because I know you love them so...)

DAMNED SMART PHONE AUTO SPE... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

DAMNED SMART PHONE AUTO SPELLING CORRECT

"Eclipses," SCSI? Don't tel... (Below threshold)

"Eclipses," SCSI? Don't tell me you're a "Twilight" geek? Please, tell me it's not true!

J.

Ellipsesthe dreaded ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Ellipses
the dreaded bane of Bruce Henry's ability to respond rationally to anything Rick posts.

Bruce"Less than 24... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

"Less than 24 hours after the murders, you have figuratively tried, convicted, and executed the alleged killer."

Sometimes when they arrest folks then those folks really are guilty. As far as Jay Tea's alleged tried, convicted and executing wasnt the left doing that Bush for 8 years? Wasnt there a Bush assasination movie? Wasnt there Bush hung in effigy?

And look at my first post. You fit the bill to a T. Yet unborn children dont have the luxury of a trial or conviction. They are just executed and you dont have a problem with that.

Liberal thy name is hypocrit.


Have I ever expressed any o... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Have I ever expressed any opinion on the matter of abortion, RM? Please tell me what you think my position is on the issue. And why you think so.

No, don't. You have no idea what my position is, whether pro-life, pro-choice, or, like JAY Tea, "squishy."

RM, Bruce has a point there... (Below threshold)

RM, Bruce has a point there. He doesn't routinely express opinions. His main point is to attack others for doing so; he seems to think that expressing opinions is something that shouldn't be done.

Especially on an opinion blog.

J.

Bruce, could have sworn bac... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Bruce, could have sworn back during the Tim Tebow dust up you said abortion wasn't murder. That you at least favored it in rape/incest scenarios.
But the Eagles have decided to show up and play now in the 3rd, so I don't see myself caring enough to look.
Given that RM gas been hanging here a while, possibly as long as me if not longer, he might surprise you about what he's picked up on. He may be wrong, but he may have justifications under the walk, look, talk like a duck theory of species identification :)

Tim who?... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Tim who?

Not quite Jay,He thi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Not quite Jay,
He thinks people shouldn't express opinions he doesn't like on an opinion blog he has no say in. And to feign ignorance or claim he was just kidding when he has his ass handed to him or someone points out his logic is holier than Mecca and swiss cheese combined.

I'll leave off the "Mr's" f... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

I'll leave off the "Mr's" for fear of sounding condescending, but you guys are funny.

When authors post here, I often comment, almost always contrary to the general consensus. I confess I have trouble expressing disagreement without sarcasm, but usually, the authors handle it fine, especially JAY Tea. Not today, though. Today my snark touched a nerve.

Now, why was that, you ask? Was it because I was particularly nasty? Did I call anyone names or imply that they were stupid? Did I question their ancestry or talk trash about their mamas?

Nope. What bothered JAY Tea today was that I called him out, first on his rush to blame brown people for the tragedy in Tucson, then for rushing to judgment about what should happen to the shooter. Not for having, or expressing, his opinion on the blog he calls home. Oh, that's what I was accused of, but what I actually did was disagree with the opinion expressed.

JAY Tea can express whatever opinion he likes, and it has been my privilege, up until now, to express my disagreement if that is the case. Whether that will continue is entirely up to JAY Tea.

And Wuzzy, you may, if you wish, characterize me being taken aback by JAY Tea's overreaction, and then trying to explain myself, as "feigning ignorance or claim[ing] he was just kidding." But that's not what it was. And you may characterize a hissy fit as "handing his ass to him" if you wish, too, but again, that's not what it was.

Again I confess my lack of talent as a writer, and my tendency to push the snark envelope sometimes. Excuuuse me.

No, Bruce, you're not excus... (Below threshold)

No, Bruce, you're not excused. Because you never bring anything of value to the table.

Still harping on my initial response? I stand by it, based on the facts available at the time. When the facts were corrected, I corrected my judgment. And no, it wasn't based on racism -- noting that the Mexican drug cartels have an affinity for automatic weapons and assassinations of government officials who get in their way is simple common sense.

Which is why it apparently escapes you.

You "called me out" for declaring that I had no sympathy for the killer in this case, that I was utterly disinterested in hearing the excuses for his slaughtering six innocents. I stand by that, too.

The reason you tend to touch a nerve, Bruce? Because all you do is whine and snark -- you NEVER bring anything of substance to the discussion. You don't argue why I'm wrong, just piss and moan that I dare express opinions and pass judgment.

Earlier, I called you a parasite. I stand by that, too.

Wanna prove me wrong? Present an alternative to what I said. Tell me why the killer deserves sympathy and compassion. (Note: I am NOT saying "the suspect," but "the killer," without identifying him by name. I speak of the person responsible for the killings. Should whatshisname be convicted, then it will apply to him -- but not until them.)

Until then... I'll keep doing what I've been doing, rather successfully, for six years now. Offering my opinions and observations, and explaining my thoughts and feelings that lead to them.

Even if it annoys you.

J.

Bruce henry"Have I... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce henry

"Have I ever expressed any opinion on the matter of abortion, RM? Please tell me what you think my position is on the issue. And why you think so"

When have you ever known me to shoot from the hip. maybe this is your evil doppelganger Lee Ward.

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/02/02/heres-what-we-do-need-a-lot-more-of-tebows.php

That's it in a nutshell, hln.

There's your problem right there - you don't understand how anyone can have a "mindset" that differs from your own.

You say it's murder; I say it's not. Because your religion, your moral code tells you it's wrong, therefore you want to legislate your religion, your morality into law that I have to obey.

Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion. But, unless I'm mischaracterising your position, you have no problem with forcing rape and incest victims, among others, to carry their pregnancies to term. After all, a "child" conceived by rape or incest would be "murdered" by abortion, too, wouldn't it?

Oh and you seem to have a differing of opinion amongst your own views Bruce

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/02/02/heres-what-we-do-need-a-lot-more-of-tebows.php

Nobody wants more abortions. And "safe, legal, and rare" is the mindset that most Americans have regarding abortion. If you can't understand their mindset, it's not their problem.

But here you say

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/02/10/a-12-year-old-girls-opinion-on-abortion.php

Most Americans support some restrictions on abortion, and don't want abortion used as routine birth control

Oh and Bruce about your claim of innocence and just wanting to have a conversation

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/26/hey-how-about-that/


I had nothing to do but go over to Wizbang and piss those people off."

And umm Bruce

"Nobody wants more abortions. And "safe, legal, and rare" is the mindset that most Americans have regarding abortion"

I think 30+ million abortions over 40 or so years prove you quite wrong on that statement. Hell Saddam didnt even kill 750K babies a year every year. But your leftists politicians did.


"Until then... I'll keep... (Below threshold)
Woop:

"Until then... I'll keep doing what I've been doing, rather successfully, for six years now."

I guess success is relative. Mr Tea's post was up all day and all it's garnered are some well-thought out criticism from Bruce and endless bloviating from Jay and his pack of attack kittens in reply.

If that's a sign of "success" I'm amazed.

Oh and Bruce your priceless... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Oh and Bruce your priceless liberal argument

"You say it's murder; I say it's not. Because your religion, your moral code tells you it's wrong, therefore you want to legislate your religion, your morality into law that I have to obey."

When in fact the left is doing the same on the opposite side of the abortion coin. So your morality is currently law and we are forced to obey. Oh and Bruce before you say noone is being forced to get an abortion I am sure that some teens are being overruled by parents and being forced to get an abortion over their wishes. The sad fact is your morals are currently in force and abortion is leagl and not mine.

We are forced to contribute money to pay for abortions and the leftists even want to take away the right of health care personnel to not do an abortion for moral reasons.

The alternative to what you... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

The alternative to what you said, Jay, is not that the killer "deserves sympathy and compassion." The alternative to what you said is that the killer, should he be found to be legally insane (which is, you'll agree, a possibility) should NOT receive the death penalty or life imprisonment, but instead be removed from society until he's no longer a danger to others. Which could very well be until he's dead, but maybe not.

And I guess I could have just SAID that instead of snarking, but where's the fun in that?

By the way, re your initial response, the "facts available at the time" could have fit any number of possible theories. But your first impulse was to blame them dern Mexicans. Even though many of your readers were already counseling caution.

And, as DJ Drummond said subsequently, those who would use this tragedy for political gain are wrong to do so.

But anyway, I appreciate you not just kicking me off your boards. I promise to try to not be so much of an asshole, at least for a while. And I do apologize for angering you.

Now we have a Dem Congressw... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Now we have a Dem Congresswoman from NJ that is drawing up a gun control law. Maybe someone should tell her that the shooter already VIOLATED NUMEROUS LAWS. The only thing another gun congrol law will do is take guns out of the hands of lawful citizens. Criminals will still have them.

Gee Bruce Henry Which is w... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Gee Bruce Henry Which is which

" I promise to try to not be so much of an asshole, at least for a while. And I do apologize for angering you."


And then his evil alter ego

"I had nothing to do but go over to Wizbang and piss those people off."

Wow, Stalker RM, are you ke... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Wow, Stalker RM, are you keeping an archive on me or something? That's creepy, dude. Excerpts from blog comments one, two, and three years old....

But you did catch me with the Tebow thing. Although my comment wasn't exactly a clarion call for abortion-on-demand, it was "squishily pro-choice," I guess. Busted. If you call saying that abortion isn't necessarily murder being busted.

Perhaps you missed the fact... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Perhaps you missed the fact that the Oliver Willis thread you linked to included Jay Tea making jokes about bringing the site down. And that it was from November 2008, so my promise, that I made a few moments ago, wasn't in effect at the time.

WTF is wrong with you, RM? Breathe.

BruceNothing wrong... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

Nothing wrong with me. Just calling a steaming pile ummm a steaming pile.

No stalker involved. Whats the matter dont like being called out on your bullshit? After all you asked for it and I kindly gave it to you. If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

Bruce,I take your hi... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Bruce,
I take your history into account, not just this one thread, when I talk about you having you ass handed to you and how you react.

While I remembered you took a position on abortion around the Tebow commercial, though not how far you took it, reading RM's "stalking" I find your quote interesting. Weren't you using the opposite argument in support of seatbelts late last year? OK, I don't think you invoked your religion, but you were OK with legislating your morality in that case. Or was that Crickmore... you two run together some days.
I'll let RM use his Google fu to sort that one out :)

Knock yourself out, RM. If ... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Knock yourself out, RM. If it makes you feel like you won a victory to dig up blog comments I made in Feb 2010 and Feb 2009, which only peripherally support your argument (such as it is) that I am a raving babykiller abortion-on-demand fanatic, have at it.

And when I say "only peripherally" I mean "not really at all."

By the way, the Willis thread (from 2008!!) was a bunch of guys talking trash, one of whom was Jay Tea. I'm pretty sure he knew it was all in fun.

Bruce"If you call ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

"If you call saying that abortion isn't necessarily murder being busted."

Hmm seems in the link above the word nescessary wasnt anywhere to be found. Instead we get a lecture about pushing our morals on you.

You try to twist and turn every word Jay Tea writes yet you get caught red handed and suddenly you want to poo poo it away. Nice suprising with the crap you spew with each post.

Bruce"By the way, ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

"By the way, the Willis thread (from 2008!!) was a bunch of guys talking trash, one of whom was Jay Tea. I'm pretty sure he knew it was all in fun"

Hmm Seems you can remember a post's context you made clearly 2-3 years go but cant remember what you said 10 months ago.

Nice job of trying to minimize what you posted Bruce. What was it again (so you can remember it 2-3 years from now)? Oh yeah

"Have I ever expressed any opinion on the matter of abortion, RM?"


That and I don't recall RM ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

That and I don't recall RM saying Bruce was a raving fanatic babykiller.
I guess the rule is: Only Bruce may interpret what other people mean and may exaggerate for effect. And all history begins, and only matters, when he says it does. No wonder some peoples' religious beliefs bother Bruce so much: they indicate that they do not already believe he is omnipotent!

The context from the Willis... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

The context from the Willis thread is clear from reading it tonight. I HAD forgotten the Tebow thread, and that was "only" 10 months ago, so I guess it's not THAT creepy that you remembered it, unless you really are keeping some kind of archive on me. That WOULD be odd.

Oh SCSIYou have to... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Oh SCSI

You have to forgive Bruce his eccentricacies.

I mean he accuses me of calling him a "raving fanatic babykiller".

In a thread about 2 days ago he accused either myself or Jay Tea of having a "bloodlust for all things muslim".

Seems Brucie has a flair for exaggerations in his adjectives. Take the adjective EVER

as in

"Have I ever expressed any opinion on the matter of abortion"


Now Bruce may dispute that ever isn't an adjective in this case but I dont have the flair for exaggerations that Brucie does.

Liberals hate it when you point out facts

Scsi"Only Bruce ma... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Scsi

"Only Bruce may interpret what other people mean and may exaggerate for effect. And all history begins, and only matters, when he says it does. No wonder some peoples' religious beliefs bother Bruce so much: they indicate that they do not already believe he is omnipotent"

That is an excellent description and very fitting for him.

BTW Brucie, Ref post 51. You are doing your typical "Hey dont look there, look over here" that you always do when you find yourself trapped like rat.

Well, see, Wuzzy, a few day... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Well, see, Wuzzy, a few days ago, not 10 months ago, 2 years ago, or 3 years ago, RM spent a few hours talking about my "lust for the blood of unborn babies." Of course, since you don't keep a shrine to RM's unhinged comments on your hard drive, that may have escaped your attention.

Now, nothing I have said, either in the murky past, or recently, could fairly be construed that way, but RM, and you, it seems, choose to see what you wish to see. Fine.

Ever is an adverb.... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

Ever is an adverb.

LOL Brucie you are such a t... (Below threshold)
retired military:

LOL Brucie you are such a tool.

Since the title of this thread is no compassion how about you answer just a few simple questions.

a. If the shooter is found, arrested, tried, convicted and found not insane than what should the punishment be?

I mean after all you feel that in some circumstances at least that it is okay to kill unborn children, how do you feel about people that have killed and or wounded 20+ innocent people?

b. If the shooter is found, arrested, tried, convicted and found insane than what should the punishment be?

Keep him locked up forever? Keep him locked up until he is cured (I havent heard of many mass murderers insane or not that were succesfully rehabilitated) and then release him? execute him then? I mean after all since you feel that it isnt murder to kill unborn babies then you probably fall along the lines of "we cant afford to feed and care for them all" if we didnt kill them. But yet if no death penalty then you obviously feel we can spend $10s of thousands of dollars if not more than million to house someone that may possibly be made sane some day.

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Jay Tea

$10 bet to go to the wizbangblog donation pot that Brucie wont give a straight answer to either question much less both of them.

BTW Brucie", RM sp... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Brucie

", RM spent a few hours talking about my "lust for the blood of unborn babies.""

This comment was made only after you accused myself or Jay Tea of having a bloodlust for all muslims when neither of us had said anything to remotely justify it. In short, I basically pointed out how outlandishly stupid your statement about one of us was by making an outlandish statement about you. You claim to be familiar with the term sarcasm yet you wouldnt recognize it if it slapped you in the face.

On second thought Bruce you... (Below threshold)
retired military:

On second thought Bruce you probably thought that I was hinting at your true feelings instead of being sarcastic.

Truth hurts doesn't it.

RM, if I remember correctly... (Below threshold)
Bruce Henry:

RM, if I remember correctly, that thread was Rick's, not Jay Tea's. And if you, with your mastery of google fu, can't be bothered to link to it, or otherwise find out, I can't either. I'm surprised you can't find it in your archive/creepy shrine.

Your above question B is the same as your above question A, but here's my straight answer: If the killer is found to be legally insane, he should be treated as the law dictates he be treated. I presume that would be something along the lines of what happened with Hinckley or Chapman.

By the way, is this an espousal on your part of the death penalty? I guess, if so, that's ANOTHER area where you feel the Pope is a namby-pamby liberal and should be ignored, right?

BruceIf you actual... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Bruce

If you actually read the question you will find one says

is found insane

and the other says

is found not insane

Although you did answer one question halfway straight so I guess I owe wizbangblog a $10 donation. Jay Tea can look for it later in the day as I have to go to work now (millions of illegal aliens depend on it).

BTW nice of you to preach on the death penalty when you think killing unborn children is not murder.

BTW Bruce, As I recall the... (Below threshold)
retired military:

BTW Bruce, As I recall the church does make allowances for the death penalty in some cases. As far as I know it hasnt taken an official stance on this one.

One more thing prior to wal... (Below threshold)
retired military:

One more thing prior to walking out the door.

You quote church doctrine (or at least try to) Bruce, why dont you start going to mass. May do you some good.

You will also find that the church says love the sinner, hate the sin. In the case above, the shooter has committed numerous sins. What are the sins of the unborn that we are supposed to hate?

How many prisoners are put to death in a year in the US? 200? max

How many unborn children are killed in the US every year? a million?

To get back to the matter a... (Below threshold)
olsoljer:

To get back to the matter at hand. The killer shot and killed people in front of witnesses. That identified killer should get a quick and speedy trial and be put to death asap. I don't give a damn what his mental condition is/was, or if he was socioeconimically deprived. That is one of the things wrong in our system, we are always looking for an excuse - THERE IS NO EXCUSE.

Actually that shooter shoul... (Below threshold)
studakota:

Actually that shooter should have been tackled and held for the looney tune truck anytime during the last month as soon as he opened his mouth and began speaking. I see he never finished high school yet was attending Pima Jr. College. I'll bet he had been granted a govt. guaranteed student loan also. That's the next big bubble to burst, school loans. BTW weren't most of those shot Jewish? What's up with that Mr High Sheriff?

Actually that shooter shoul... (Below threshold)
studakota:

Actually that shooter should have been tackled and held for the looney tune truck anytime during the last month as soon as he opened his mouth and began speaking. I see he never finished high school yet was attending Pima Jr. College. I'll bet he had been granted a govt. guaranteed student loan also. That's the next big bubble to burst, school loans. BTW weren't most of those shot Jewish? What's up with that Mr High Sheriff?

I'll say it again:On... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

I'll say it again:
Only Bruce may interpret what other people mean and may exaggerate for effect. And all history begins, and only matters, when he says it does. No wonder some peoples' religious beliefs bother Bruce so much: they indicate that they do not already believe he is omnipotent!
And also, only Bruce may poke fun at others, others may not poke fun at Bruce.

But it's so easy...

Jay TeaPlease chec... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Jay Tea

Please check your tips email. I need to know how to donate the $10 I lost.




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