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Bill to ban crosshair symbols to be introduced in Congress:

Representative Bob Brady of Pennsylvania told The Caucus he plans to introduce a bill that would ban symbols like that now-infamous campaign crosshair map.

"You can't threaten the president with a bullseye or a crosshair," Mr. Brady, a Democrat, said, and his measure would make it a crime to do so to a member of Congress or federal employee, as well.

Asked if he believed the map incited the gunman in Tucson, he replied, "I don't know what's in that nut's head. I would rather be safe than sorry."

He continued, "This is not a wakeup call. This is a major alarm going off. We need to be more civil with each other. We need to tone down this rhetoric."

You know, if we're going to go to extremes like this to combat the problem... I say we go all the way.  How about a bill to outlaw knee jerking.

There'd be one helluva lot of law breakers out there on the left.

H/T Verum Serum.


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Blaming Palin for everythin... (Below threshold)
Maggie Mama:

Blaming Palin for everything.....a role she apparently inherited from Bush.

what will the left do if Pa... (Below threshold)
Jeff:

what will the left do if Palin doesn't run in '12 ?

all their best vitriol will be wasted ...

Maybe Sarah should use a 'd... (Below threshold)

Maybe Sarah should use a 'daisy' map.

The left is milking this tr... (Below threshold)
iwogisdead:

The left is milking this tragedy for as much as they can get out of it. They're showing themselves for the buffoons they really are.

It's a pity that Congressma... (Below threshold)
sarahconnor2:

It's a pity that Congressman Brady is unfamiliar with the First Amendment. Maybe we should ban all speech because it might aggravate a paranoid schizophrenic.

Why not just ban the words ... (Below threshold)
retired military:

Why not just ban the words Gun and Knife? Oh wait then Obama will have to change his speeches.

So will the bill include ba... (Below threshold)

So will the bill include banning bulls-eyes and phrases like "Targeted Republicans" on Democrats' websites? Doubt it.

A bill to ban the use of cr... (Below threshold)
Weegie:

A bill to ban the use of crosshairs is just about the dumbest thing I've heard.

Are the Democrat Congresspeople really this lacking in substance?

One suspects that if Bob Brady were to be shot in the head, it would impact no vital organs.

I can see WalMart getting b... (Below threshold)

I can see WalMart getting behind this big time...they'd love to see their biggest rival have to change their name and logo and try to re-invent themselves ;)

God help Target Stores-They... (Below threshold)
dlsada:

God help Target Stores-They'll be today's Washington Redskins.

God help Target St... (Below threshold)
James H:
God help Target Stores-They'll be today's Washington Redskins

Owned by an incompetent egomaniac and utterly unable to make the playoffs?

Rep. Brady is a typical Con... (Below threshold)
Bob:

Rep. Brady is a typical Congressman: He believes that we have to do something - anything. There is no evidence that the Tucson shooter ever saw the Palin crosshairs website of the Democratic Leadership Counsel bulls-eye map, or that banning this type of political expression would in any way prevent a future shooting.

Last week, Congresswoman Giffords read the First Amendment as part of the reading of the full Constitution on the floor of the House of Representatives. Too bad Mr. Brady was not paying attention to the words Ms. Giffords spoke.

The repubs should grow a pa... (Below threshold)
dlsada:

The repubs should grow a pair and blast these idiots non-stop. Allahu Ahkbar (spelling suspect but I don't give a shit)murder and no one on the left dare blame it on radical Islam although that was crystal clear but a white nut kills fewer people and it's the fault of Sarh Palin and a year-old chart. What about the other districts on that chart-are they next according to this "pretzel logic." Folks, this is war and we better fight to the death. These jackals have been waiting for something like this-they wanted it and they have been armed and ready since 911. They are not just opportunists, they are evil incarnate.

Of course, these things sho... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Of course, these things should not be banned, normallly good sense is enough when to use them, but if Palin is so unrepetant, why has Sarah pulled her cross-hair symbols map now? If she thinks it is in bad taste now, or out of respect for Giffords, surely it was in bad taste in March, when she put it up, and Giffords complained about it, when her office was trashed, shortly afterwards. That was the time to show some respect. We remember Palin's response then was "to reload" and increase scarastically the gun metaphors in her March Madness column.I may be prejudiced, I have never understood the fascination for guns and hunting as a sport, which Palin seems so proud of.

Bob Brady... prominent scio... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Bob Brady... prominent scion of a political family here in PA. And never shy to put his ignorance on display.
At least he didn't go on 60 Minutes and yell at everyone, calling them idiots for not buying the logic that somebody was going to fleece the gamblers, so it might as well be Harrisburg.

What are the chances that t... (Below threshold)
dlsada:

What are the chances that this sociopathic pothead saw that Palin chart? I guess it matters not. Is everyone now assumed to have read every single opinion piece ever composed? Talk about a leap of logic-can you imagine having to articulate this connection under oath in court? After 911, these idiots blamed Bush because he didn't connect the relevant dots that he was forbidden to know about. Now they go completely off the edge-howling without a whiff of proof that every existing dot is not only connected but also causative.

Crickmore-Tell me why the D... (Below threshold)
dlsada:

Crickmore-Tell me why the Daily Kos not only purged their prior "call to violence post," but replaced it with a new article with the same date so as to claim that the prior post never existed. This goes beyond anything Pravda did at the height of the Cold War.

He'll need to add a clause ... (Below threshold)
Roy:

He'll need to add a clause to outlaw sticking one's head up their own ass. Call it the Brady Clause.

What a bunch of grandstandi... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

What a bunch of grandstanding Nimrods. Perfect for their slow-witted sheep.

"I may be prejudiced"... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"I may be prejudiced"

Steve stumbles blindly into the truth.

A lot of really good commen... (Below threshold)
Hank:

A lot of really good comments above.

Reading about this tragedy, the various threads and comments by the loons on the left, it almost seems as if they're bending over backwards to blame everyone BUT the insane idiot that caused this tragedy.

Congratulations Crickmore !... (Below threshold)
914:

Congratulations Crickmore ! On being the only swine among pearls.

jim, yes I don't think I w... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

jim, yes I don't think I would fit into Arizona, others on this blog may. It apparently has become a haven for the radical right and has a heavy gun culture. Check out The Tucson Shooter and Arizona Politics


Nice link Crickmore. I can... (Below threshold)
DaveD:

Nice link Crickmore. I can't figure out what is so substantive in that article. Maybe you could elaborate on what you got from it.

"It apparently has become a... (Below threshold)
Gmac:

"It apparently has become a haven for the radical right and has a heavy gun culture."

If that is the criteria you use to judge where you're going to live then I would suggest moving to a state that restricts those rights severely.

Be forewarned though, they usually have the highest crime and murder rates involving guns, like Chicago, Washington DC, New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta and New Orleans.

You might also note that almost all of those places have Democrats in control of the city and state governments.

Am I inferring something here?
Yes, but I'll let you try to figure it out, if you can.
The FBI crime stats speak for them self.

Steve, If all you read is T... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve, If all you read is TNR then EVERYWHERE is a haven for the radical right apart from cities in the northeast and on the pacific coast.

Having said that, the article itself is little more than bogus spinning, vainly trying to excuse a hopelessly inappropriate partisan attack which tried to use s tragedy that has no connection to the conclusions they are trying to draw.

"We need to be more civil w... (Below threshold)
BluesHarper:

"We need to be more civil with each other. We need to tone down this rhetoric."

Why do I get the feeling that that is a one way street? When the left says this, they mean for conservatives/republicans/tea party supporters to STFU. But it doesn't apply to liberals/progressives/democrats because they are just talking sense - well... in their minds.

"Why do I get the feeling t... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Why do I get the feeling that that is a one way street? "

Because to the left it is. They are incapable of understanding other points of view and do their utmost to silence them. When obama came to power he said he would bring a new tone to DC and his way of doing that was to tell his opponents to shut up because he won. Bipartisan compromise from the dems has been defined as the left getting its way and everyone else compromising.

They have enjoyed 2 years of absolute power and have produced nothing but failed policies to show for it.

Now that they have lost some of that power they demand compromise and civility. Where was the civility when they were ramming legislation down the country's throat?

This event was wished for by democrat operatives and advisers and jumped upon before even a single fact was known about the gunman and the blame was laid at the feet of their political opponents. Now that it is obvious that blame lies with the shooter alone they are spinning that the rhetoric from the right is a problem anyway and that something needs to be done about it before someone does act because of that rhetoric. The left's response to this event start to finish has been callous and disgusting.

DaveD. I'm having trouble p... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

DaveD. I'm having trouble pasting and copying, with this lap top, soIi just sent the whole post. Kevin was reiterating the other day that 'all politics is local'..Sure, being a nut with loaded semiautomatic is like allowing someone with epilectic seizures drive on a busy thorughfare, but it seems this shooting came out of the malestrom of anger of Tucscon politics, as well.

Hey, I understand some of the intensity of anger of the right. If some of our national Democrat politicians took some time away from imagining how they could ingratiate themselves in the revolving door of Wall Street, and actually considered speaking the truth about illegal immigration, instead of leaving it to the recession and in the laps of locals of the border states to deal with, that would help alleviate some of the anger too.

Just who has a worse mental... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Just who has a worse mental disease, the shooter, or the demagogues who try to make political hay out of this crime?

"but it seems this shooting... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"but it seems this shooting came out of the malestrom of anger of Tucscon politics, as well."

Not really. This kid is messed up. Period. Even his anti-immigrant comments are incoherent and unconnected with current politics. Your statement is yet another attempt to make some political points off of an event that is essentially nonpolitical.

Quit trying to stretch this into having any connection with any events of the last 22 years. We would all be better served with a discussion of how to identify unstable people (which actually does not seem to be the case here, everyone knew this kid was a danger) and what to do about them.

The shooter.The dema... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

The shooter.
The demagogues know what reality is and choose t ignore it by choice. I get the increasing feeling that his world was not the one the rest of us would call real.
But who is more evil? The demagogues.

This Malkin throwdown citin... (Below threshold)
Jeff Blogworthy:

This Malkin throwdown citing the prolific examples of leftist hate is not to be missed. Guardians of civility? Please. Opportunistic vultures gorging on the carcasses of the innocent.

The best part of Malkin's p... (Below threshold)
jim m:

The best part of Malkin's post is the bottom where we see mug shot after mug shot of leftists who have been motivated to acts of violence and intimidation and fraud. And the leftist's response is that people on the right say mean things. Please.

Sheesh. The Democratic Lead... (Below threshold)
Clay:

Sheesh. The Democratic Leadership Council used a map very similar to Palin's. In postulating a Heartland Strategy, an article in DLC's Blueprint magazine asserts that "Democrats can't be a national party if they cede all of red America to the GOP. They must compete in the heartland." The author, Will Marshall, then proceeds to discuss 'targeting' winnable states, 'wreaking havoc behind enemy lines', and 'choosing likely targets' before he goes to the map.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

"he author, Will Marshall, ... (Below threshold)
914:

"he author, Will Marshall, then proceeds to discuss 'targeting' winnable states, 'wreaking havoc behind enemy lines', and 'choosing likely targets' before he goes to the map."


SHHHH! Clay. DADT remember?

"The author, Will Marshall,... (Below threshold)
Les Nessman:

"The author, Will Marshall, then proceeds to discuss 'targeting' winnable states, 'wreaking havoc behind enemy lines', and 'choosing likely targets' before he goes to the map."

And what a map it is : Bullseyes on various states headlined "Targeting Strategy", text that says "BEHIND ENEMY LINES" and "ripe targets for Democrats".
Oh my. Where's the MSM outrage over that?

The difference is the Repubs/conservatives/Tea Partiers/libertarians/moderates understand that these terms and images have been used by all sides for ages. Sane people know they are common terms for political campaigns.

But the Lefties are using this as a blood libel against non-Leftists. Disgusting shameful and hypocritical.

WHERE was Brady when Palin ... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

WHERE was Brady when Palin was hung in effigy? WHERE was Brady when Hollywood chose to make a movie about the assassination of the then sitting President?

Brady appears to be pretty SELECTIVE in his "outrage".

Hey Bobby! SHOVE IT!

Well, hypocrisy has always ... (Below threshold)
914:

Well, hypocrisy has always been the dems political crutch. So you cant blame Bobby for trying it.

I am looking forward to dis... (Below threshold)
Rick Caird:

I am looking forward to discovering what portion of the Constitution Congressman Brady feels authorizes his bill.

I also suspect his bill will never be taken up by any committee.

Rick,You're right.... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Rick,

You're right. Brady is just one more empty headed time server in DC. His stunt is nothing more than showboating for his constituency. One more moron who feels the need to stand up and do something to capture his share of the disaster spotlight.

The Left was quick to blame... (Below threshold)
GreyGeek:

The Left was quick to blame Palin for the Az violence because she used "cross-hairs" and the word "targeting" on a political map, on her website, which outlined strategies for defeating Democrat office holders. If she is guilty of anything beyond exercising her free speech rights, it is that she was the second person to use that analogy in a political stratagy. Will Marshall used a map with "bulls-eyes" on it and the symbol in the legend had cross-hairs in the middle of the bulls-eye. What ever the Left thinks Palin is guilty of so is the president of the Progressive Policy Institute.

Will Marshall's strategy ar... (Below threshold)
GreyGeek:

Will Marshall's strategy article is here

It would be interesting to ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

It would be interesting to see how the sale of these tea party T-shirts are going now. I would guess down but with all the new attention, anything is possible in America in 2011.

First time I've seen them.<... (Below threshold)
jim m:

First time I've seen them.

But since THIS WAS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TEA PARTY, I see no reason why they shouldn't sell.

And really Steve, if conservatives are going to be blamed for the violence anyway, maybe we should start provoking it. At least if we came armed to rallys it would prevent SEIU thugs from beating up people like Kenneth Gladney.

I think we ought to investi... (Below threshold)
clearmind:

I think we ought to investigate head lice and bed bugs to learn their influence on the responses of the politicians. If you've had either one, you're susceptible to deranged behavior and uncivil words.

We must attack strange speech at it's core. Cooties and crabs are known to be causes, too. Then marijuana and other stimuli are there, too. Who knows what you'll utter when under these influences.

Then, if you've ever been to a Congressional office, you'd know they're decorated like shrines or temples to the indignity and worthless words, like those inscribed on uncivil toilet walls.

Brady is likely a former janitor who we can count-on to preserve the good words on the walls of any stall. You know, civil words for Civil Walls. Where's my magic marker, honey, I've got something I need to say.




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