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"There's a climate of hate out there, all right..."

Glenn Reynolds at The Wall Street Journal:

There's a climate of hate out there, all right, but it doesn't derive from the innocuous use of political clichés. And former Gov. Palin and the tea party movement are more the targets than the source.

American journalists know how to be exquisitely sensitive when they want to be. As the Washington Examiner's Byron York pointed out on Sunday, after Major Nidal Hasan shot up Fort Hood while shouting "Allahu Akhbar!" the press was full of cautions about not drawing premature conclusions about a connection to Islamist terrorism. "Where," asked Mr. York, "was that caution after the shootings in Arizona?"

Set aside as inconvenient, apparently. There was no waiting for the facts on Saturday. Likewise, last May New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and CBS anchor Katie Couric speculated, without any evidence, that the Times Square bomber might be a tea partier upset with the ObamaCare bill.

So as the usual talking heads begin their "have you no decency?" routine aimed at talk radio and Republican politicians, perhaps we should turn the question around. Where is the decency in blood libel?

To paraphrase Justice Cardozo ("proof of negligence in the air, so to speak, will not do"), there is no such thing as responsibility in the air. Those who try to connect Sarah Palin and other political figures with whom they disagree to the shootings in Arizona use attacks on "rhetoric" and a "climate of hate" to obscure their own dishonesty in trying to imply responsibility where none exists. But the dishonesty remains.

To be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?

Which is it indeed.  Wouldn't it be great to hear progressives answer the question especially before they publish yet another hit piece against Sarah Palin, the Tea Party or whomever else it is they reserve their venom for?

Fat chance.


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or whomever else it is t... (Below threshold)

or whomever else it is they reserve their venom for

I vote for 'The Matrix':

"He told anyone who would listen that the world we see does not exist, that words have no meaning — and that the only way to derive meaning was during sleep."

Or, you're both. <a href="h... (Below threshold)
tomg51:

Or, you're both. Paul Krugman

Glenn has a well-developed ... (Below threshold)

Glenn has a well-developed talent for cutting to the heart of an issue. The fifth paragraph is absolutely priceless.

Well put by GR.... (Below threshold)
epador:

Well put by GR.

"To be clear, if you're ... (Below threshold)
Woop:

"To be clear, if you're using this event to criticize the "rhetoric" of Mrs. Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you're either: (a) asserting a connection between the "rhetoric" and the shooting, which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie; or (b) you're not, in which case you're just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. Which is it?"

Contemptible? Climate of Hate? Pot, kettle, Tea Party.

Showing no sign of tamping down on divisive political rhetoric in the wake of the shooting of 20 people that left six dead in Tuscon Saturday, the Tea Party Nation group e-mailed its members Sunday warning them they would be called upon to fight leftists in the days ahead and defend their movement.

TPN founder Judson Phillips, in an article linked off the e-mail "The shooting of Gabrielle Giffords and the left's attack on the Tea Party movement," described the shooter as "a leftist lunatic" and Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik as a "leftist sheriff" who "was one of the first to start in on the liberal attack." Phillips urged tea party supporters to blame liberals for the attack on centrist Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, who was shot through the head and is now fighting for her life, as a means of defending the tea party movement's recent electoral gains.

"The hard left is going to try and silence the Tea Party movement by blaming us for this," he wrote. Clinton used the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to "blame conservative talk radio, especially Rush Limbaugh" and "The tactic worked then, backing conservatives off and possibly helping to ensure a second Clinton term."

"The left is coming and will hit us hard on this. We need to push back harder with the simple truth. The shooter was a liberal lunatic. Emphasis on both words," he wrote.

The Tea Party Nation is the sponsor of the Tea Party Convention at which former GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin was the keynote speaker in February 2010. "America is ready for another revolution!" Palin told the assembled at the conference, to standing ovations.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/tea-party-group-blames-leftist-for-giffords-shooting/69153/

Yes woop nearly everyone bu... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Yes woop nearly everyone but lefty truthers like yourself blames the leftist shooter for the incident.

Only dishonest assholes like yourself blame others.

In the spirit of toning dow... (Below threshold)

In the spirit of toning down the rhetoric, I will use no targets, crosshairs, etc., but I will simply point my finger at the finger-pointers by asking if Mr. Reynolds could ask Paul Krugman, (who is using this tragedy), why he has done nothing but ratchet up the rhetoric with his last two pathetic accusations/opinions attacking everyone on the right---Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc, while defending Olbermann, Maddow, and his cronies on the left.

January 8th
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/assassination-attempt-in-arizona/

January 9th
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?_r=1&src=ISMR_HP_LO_MST_FB

Both of Mr. Krugman's post are filled with nothing but vitriolic disdain for conservatives, while he echo’s the talking points of the same liberal media he wallows in.

Funny, that it took a commenter from Canada to put Mr. Krugman's hypocrisy in its place:

“From Krugman, a man who positively oozes contempt for his political opponents, calling for civility from the other team is a calculated insult and consciously hypocritical. Violent actions from the left are frequent occurrences. These do not concern Krugman.

Vaguely violent metaphors are common in all parts of the political spectrum.

I think the real malady is despising people who disagree. Those who you despise are not to be reasoned with, and Krugman is certainly not interested in doing so.

Civility is not an area where it is appropriate for the likes of Paul Krugman to lead.”

Timothy Z …….Calgary, Canada

Pot, meet kettle.


Well, at least Krugman's so... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Well, at least Krugman's social theories are consistent with his ecomonic theories.

Another day has changed not... (Below threshold)
914:

Another day has changed nothing. Woop is still a worthless asshole.

Woop and others should revi... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Woop and others should review the linked list of hate and violence from the left. Whatever violence comes from the right is only a tiny fraction of what is listed here.

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

If there is a climate of hate it comes from the left.

I hate what the left has do... (Below threshold)
914:

I hate what the left has done to our Country. From the fraud in the White House to piglosi, to the lowly troll's who frequent this site. There is no redeeming value at all. Everything is take,take take. And blame,blame,blame.

Move to Venezuela you creeps!

someone tell me when krugma... (Below threshold)
warchild:

someone tell me when krugman said something like the following:


1. SARAH PALIN: “Don’t Retreat…RELOAD!”
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2. RUSH LIMBAUGH: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never forget what these people stood for."
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3. SENATOR PHIL GRAMM: "We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
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4. JAMES HANSEN on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him, censure him, assassinate him."
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5. JOHN DERBYSHIRE intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."
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6. ANN COULTER: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too."
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7. ANN COULTER: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
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8. Clear Channel radio host GlENN BECK said he was "thinking about killing Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong?"
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9. SHARON ANGLE: “There are 2nd amendment remedies to take down an out-of-control” congress”
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Free speech, yes -- but words have consequences, as these people have been told repeatedly. It only takes one nut, and there are plenty around.
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Yes words have consequences... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Yes words have consequences. Malkin lists arrest after arrest of violent leftists. Acts of intimidation and assault.

Once again the left complains about the words of the right when the right complains about the physical assaults of the left.

This exist on the left as w... (Below threshold)
warchild:

This exist on the left as well.. I'll admit that. Instead of of writing articles attacking the other side why don't we start condemning this kind of rhetoric?

Instead of of writing ar... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

Instead of of writing articles attacking the other side why don't we start condemning this kind of rhetoric?

Don't tell others to behave in a way you yourself are unwilling to.

BTW, Jim m. Assualt is hard... (Below threshold)
warchild:

BTW, Jim m. Assualt is hardly a left wing phenomen:

BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho Republican Party leader who helped oust the state GOP chairman in 2008 faces charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after an altercation escalated while he photographed a home with a delinquent mortgage.

Challis McAffee, 33, the GOP chairman from the Boise suburb of Garden City and one of 231 voting members of the Idaho Republican Central Committee, was in Ada County jail after being accused of pointing a gun at the homeowner.

McAffee, a backer of libertarian-leaning former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul and an activist in this year's anti-big-government "Tea Party" protests, helped organize Paul backers who aligned at last June's Idaho State Republican Convention in Sandpoint with other foes of then-state GOP Chairman Kirk Sullivan. Sullivan was voted from office in favor of Norm Semanko.

Instead of of writing artic... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Instead of of writing articles attacking the other side why don't we start condemning this kind of rhetoric?

Don't tell others to behave in a way you yourself are unwilling to.
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I'm willing too. If you are.

"I'm willing too. If you ar... (Below threshold)
914:

"I'm willing too. If you are."


Thats nice. Call for a truce or compromise when you are inflaming the rhetoric. I think you have a bright future in the democrat minority.

I'm willing too. If you ... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

I'm willing too. If you are.

Ah, how convenient. Let me translate what you just wrote: "I'm not willing." I hate to tell you this, but overheated rhetoric has always existed, and always will. It's called arguing politics. And when I (or anyone else) uses any argument you consider overheated rhetoric, you will use it as an excuse to continue behaving the same way.

And it's too late to stop anyway. Sorry, child, that ship has sailed. That ship sailed long ago. For me, it sailed when YOUR SIDE started calling George Bush a fascist and implying he wanted to murder Iraqis for oil. It started when YOUR SIDE labeled anyone who dared to oppose Obama a racist. It sailed when YOUR SIDE started calling Tea Party protesters "teabaggers." On and on, over and over, I've seen what you lefties think of your opponents. The tolerance, the open-mindedness your side claims is conveniently forgotten whenever someone dares to question you.

So, if you want the overheated rhetoric to stop, stop it yourself. Don't wait for us to stop, control your own actions. When I see you stopping, I'll believe that's what you want. When I see you ripping into some deranged lefty who calls us racists or teabaggers, I'll believe that's what you want. Prove it through deeds, child, not words. Until then, en garde.

When leftists posted pictur... (Below threshold)

When leftists posted pictures of Sarah Palin or George Bush hung in effigy, or toted around posters depicting McCain and Palin in a vile sexual position, or any of a very huge number of leftist displays of hateful violence, the sound of crickets chirping from their brethren was downright deafening.

I am beyond the limits of patience and tolerance for the hate that has been leveled at conservatives non-stop for years now. I will not be quiet and I will get in their faces. It is way past time for us to stop being nice, polite and well-mannered ... the time is now to push back, as hard as we can.

Has anyone noticed that Pim... (Below threshold)
John S:

Has anyone noticed that Pima County Sheriff Clarence (and asshole Democrat) only started his "controversy" so no one will ask him why it took almost a half-hour for the police to respond to the shooting. He should be removed for incompetence, or investigated to see if he was part of the plot.

Warchild, it (violent talk ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Warchild, it (violent talk and violent action) may exist on both sides of the spectrum, but in the US, it is FAR more prevalent on the left.

Warchild,Screw you... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Warchild,

Screw you. I link to a post that has multiple entries of violent protest and crimes. You exerpt 1 article about 1 person.

I will also note that your item is entirely unrelated to politics and lacks any political motivation. You fail to link to the article and from what I can see is that you do so deliberately because without the context you can make it look wirse than it really was.

You're still lying and spinning.

No there is no truce with lying douche bags like you. Until you admit that you were wrong and stop with the hypocritical BS the rest of us will continue to argue and oppose the stream of crap that issues from you.

<a href=... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:


A senior Republican senator, speaking anonymously in order to freely discuss the tragedy, told POLITICO that the Giffords shooting should be taken as a “cautionary tale” by Republicans.

“There is a need for some reflection here - what is too far now?” said the senator. “What was too far when Oklahoma City happened is accepted now. There’s been a desensitizing. These town halls and cable TV and talk radio, everybody’s trying to outdo each other.
I wonder why he is anonymous?

What's your point, Stevie? ... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

What's your point, Stevie? That we should tone it down because some US senator says so? Even though this lunatic wasn't one of us?

Spare me.

Since you've shown up on this blog you've gleefully engaged in overheated political rhetoric, insults, and general douchebaggery. You've been happy do so... so, if you want to take the nameless senator's advice, feel free.

Oh, sorry, you meant WE should tone it down. You, of course, are under no such obligation.

Gee Steve, Why didn't you ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Gee Steve, Why didn't you quote the following from the same BS article?

“They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on the militia and anti-government people.”

I suppose it didn't fit your BS narrative. Perhaps the cautionary tale is that conservatives should be prepared for the left to falsely blame them for every disaster that ever happens. That would sound about right.

And it's too late to stop a... (Below threshold)
warchild:

And it's too late to stop anyway. Sorry, child, that ship has sailed. That ship sailed long ago. For me, it sailed when YOUR SIDE started calling George Bush a fascist and implying he wanted to murder Iraqis for oil. It started when YOUR SIDE labeled anyone who dared to oppose Obama a racist. It sailed when YOUR SIDE started calling Tea Party protesters "teabaggers." On and on, over and over, I've seen what you lefties think of your opponents. The tolerance, the open-mindedness your side claims is conveniently forgotten whenever someone dares to question you.
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I guess it sailed for me When your side started calling Clinton a Communist.

Thats nice. Call for a truc... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Thats nice. Call for a truce or compromise when you are inflaming the rhetoric. I think you have a bright future in the democrat minority.
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That's is beyond stupid. How is pointing out what Limbaugh and Coulter SAID inflaming the Rhetoric? What's next gonna accuse a blackman of inflaming the rhetoric when he quoes a Klansman using the "N" word?

Btw by your logic Malkin is also inflaming the rhetoric. Please try thinking it's good for you.

Warchild,Screw you... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Warchild,

Screw you. I link to a post that has multiple entries of violent protest and crimes. You exerpt 1 article about 1 person.

I will also note that your item is entirely unrelated to politics and lacks any political motivation. You fail to link to the article and from what I can see is that you do so deliberately because without the context you can make it look wirse than it really was.

You're still lying and spinning.

No there is no truce with lying douche bags like you. Until you admit that you were wrong and stop with the hypocritical BS the rest of us will continue to argue and oppose the stream of crap that issues from you.
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Jim M Screw you and your family. You want multiple instances I'll happily give them.

You have the above.

you have the head stomping by a Rand Paul Staffer,

WALLA WALLA -- A 72-year-old Walla Walla man was arrested after scuffling with a Richland woman who was protesting against Republican senatorial candidate Dino Rossi.

Christie Stordeur, 23, was one of five protesters standing about 40 feet from the entrance of a Republican Party office on South Second Avenue at 10:25 a.m. Friday, reported the Walla Walla Union-Bulletin.

Also standing in the area was Victor R. Phillips, 72, of Walla Walla, who had a camera.

According to a sheriff's report, Phillips said he wanted to get a picture of the protesters, who were wearing bags over their heads and holding a sign that looked like a check.

The deputy said he saw Phillips walk over to Stordeur and lift the bag off her head. Stordeur lifted her arm in defense, and that is when Phillips hit her arm with "force," said the newspaper.

The deputy immediately stepped between the two and arrested Phillips on investigation of assault.

You want more? Both sides do it you moron.

Warchild, it (violent talk ... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Warchild, it (violent talk and violent action) may exist on both sides of the spectrum, but in the US, it is FAR more prevalent on the left.
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Funny, I keep seeing it on the right.

Evil Otto, I'm not really c... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Evil Otto, I'm not really concerned about a small blog and it's frank tone-i rather like most of it,unless it goes too far, even if I hardly agree with many of the arguments.

However, it does seem curious that a Republican senator- if the journalist can be believed? presumably, feels he much watch his ass, from extreme Republicans just for calling for more civility-,He probably doesn't want to be targeted, if I can still use that verb, as a RINO. I don't want to plead too much of a case because it was an anonymous source, after all.

Hey Jim mHere's a ... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Hey Jim m

Here's a fun one. Want more?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMbyDmzs_Q

Because you turn a blind ey... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Because you turn a blind eye to it on your side.
Make a list of right wing violence in the last 10 years, or calls for violence from legitimate right wingers.
I will double, triple or quadruple your total with examples of left wing antics. That assumes you put some work into it. If you do the level of effort you typically show, the list will be in a nearly logarithmic fashion

I guess it sailed for me... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

I guess it sailed for me When your side started calling Clinton a Communist.

Then that's it. Guess the rhetoric will continue.

Jim I never said the Democr... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Jim I never said the Democrats were saints. our political calculists, like Mark Penn are just as bad and Machivellian as yours. Remember some of yours, was it Cheney, wanted to pin 9/11 on Saddam, before the evidence pointed there? It is all disillusioning. Lets wait for the facts to emerge and then afterall, this is only one psychotic delusional individual. It is relief in a way, that most of these assassins are completley nuts, and as you have said before it shouldn't be too hard to spot them, if only, we were looking, before they do so much damage.

Evil Otto, I'm not reall... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

Evil Otto, I'm not really concerned about a small blog and it's frank tone-i rather like most of it,unless it goes too far, even if I hardly agree with many of the arguments.

Then why are you telling us what some nameless senator said? Seriously, what the hell is your point on this thread? Do you even have one?

Oh, and Steve, you've been one of the ones who has "gone too far."

However, it does seem curious that a Republican senator- if the journalist can be believed?

Who.
Cares?

Maybe you do, but I can safely say that there's not one right-winger here who gives a damn what this nameless senator thinks.

presumably, feels he much watch his ass, from extreme Republicans just for calling for more civility-,He probably doesn't want to be targeted, if I can still use that verb, as a RINO. I don't want to plead too much of a case because it was an anonymous source, after all.

Again, what's your point? Are you implying the Democrats don't engage in identical behavior? Welcome to politics, pal. This idiot senator (but I repeat myself) is tying an unrelated incident into a nasty political climate, without so much as a shred of proof of a link. And here you are telling us what he said as if we should care.

Because you turn a blind ey... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Because you turn a blind eye to it on your side.
Make a list of right wing violence in the last 10 years, or calls for violence from legitimate right wingers.
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As it seems do you when right wingers commit violence against left wingers. That or you try to deny it it or call it a liberal plant.


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I will double, triple or quadruple your total with examples of left wing antics. That assumes you put some work into it. If you do the level of effort you typically show, the list will be in a nearly logarithmic fashion
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Yes, Yes, We know you won't accept responsibility for anything that happens on your side.

Here is a fun on btw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pdwTQ4xA8&feature=related

I'm sure we will find out ... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

I'm sure we will find out this guy, who was always screaming bonkers and sometimes about politics merged in so much to the wacky lunatic fringe of Tucson, that this one reason he escaped most everyone's notice as a threat.

I think George Will asnswer... (Below threshold)
jim m:

I think George Will asnswered Warchild and Steve quite well today:

This McCarthyism of the left - devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data - is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral weakness and bad sociology.

It's not just the right that sees the tactics of the left wing as vulgar and opportunistic. It's nearly everyone else.

Here's the link to the full column:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/10/AR2011011003685.html

Warchild, you are not only ... (Below threshold)
SCSIwuzzy:

Warchild, you are not only dishonest but a coward. If you can't debate or discuss in good faith, you have no value but to be batted around or ignored.
You can take the challenge, or back up your assertion that I won't play fair. Otherwise you're just a liar and a tool.

Warchild, you are not only ... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Warchild, you are not only dishonest but a coward. If you can't debate or discuss in good faith, you have no value but to be batted around or ignored.
You can take the challenge, or back up your assertion that I won't play fair. Otherwise you're just a liar and a tool.
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The scary thing about an idiot like you, is that you actually think claiming that the left is 4 times as likely to commit violence while, completing ignoring any and all cases of right wing violence, equals debating in good faith. Your not a tool. You're a power tool.

Warchild,The fact re... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Warchild,
The fact remains that assassination of government officials is predominantly a tactic of the left.

Lincoln - shot by a confederate sympathizer (the Confederate government was almost exclusively democrat)
McKinley - shot by an anarchist
Kennedy - Shot by a communist

One might consider that Charles Guiteau was right wing but every description I can find leads to the conclusion that he was nuts and his reasoning was personal not political (Garfield wouldn't give him a job).

So even giving you that one lefties win 3 to 1. I could thow in the assassination of RFK, who was done in by a Palestinian activist.

As I said assassination is a tactic primarily of the left.

George Will has been a cons... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

George Will has been a conservative columnist for forty years, and to explain away JFK as exclsively the victim a Marxist pattsy like Oswald-obviously he hasn't looked at the facts, what about Ruby a mafiosa from Chicago in the Dallas police garage, or Martin Luther King's asssasination closely either.

the tactics of the left wing as vulgar and opportunistic.

Unless Jay' Tea post goes down the memory hole, many of you were very quick to denounce Gifford, a Blue dog Democrat, that her killer's ideology if he had any, was as a adolescent left winger, before the true facts emerged that he had become captive to extreme yes, right wing thoughts about gramamr, government, brain washing and mind control.

Once, the tea party and GOP get control of the House they are guaranteed to make complete idiots of themselves. Obama will look like Solomon in comparison. It is pity I would have enjoyed watching Palin. Now today, she is suddenly the peace candidate and hates war. Next the opporunistic Palin will be giving up moose hunting from helicopters, and calling the moose an endangered species.

Steve,I'm not real... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Steve,

I'm not really interested in your JFK assassination conspiracy fantasies. Oswald was a communist and a general failure in life. True we don't know his full motivation because he didn't live long enough for us to find out, but we can be sure that 1) he was a leftist and 2) we have no indication that he was mentally ill.

Nor do we have indications of mental illness with Booth or Czolgosz both of whom claim strict political reasons for their actions.

Lincoln - shot by a confede... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Lincoln - shot by a confederate sympathizer (the Confederate government was almost exclusively democrat)
McKinley - shot by an anarchist
Kennedy - Shot by a communist
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Hmm, An anarchist is a leftist? I guess, all those claims from your side that we want too much gubmint to solve everything was, uhh wrong? I mean apparently we are not socialist at all. When Reagan said Government is the problem was he quoting FDR? I'm confused why was he spouting such liberal ideology?

John Wilkes Boothe on the other hand, I mean he was from the deep south, a bastion of radical progressivism. He strongly believed in State's rights over the power of the federal government. He wished the President and the "whole damned government would go to hell" This sounds like liberal rhetoric doesn't it?
I mean the guy would be a complete Democrat today. I'm sure his support affirmative action would make your head explode.

Now Oswald at least could be called a leftist. The other two would be right wingers in their day (albeit radical right wingers just Oswald would be a radical left winger.)

Yes Booth would be a dem to... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Yes Booth would be a dem today. He would have gravitated to the party that filibustered the civil rights act and filibustered the anti-lynching laws and resisted the creation of the civil rights commission. He would have joined the party that defended segregation and passed the Jim Crow laws.

And yes anarchists are left wing by definition. I have never heard anyone say otherwise. I will also note that anarchists and leftists find common cause in many protests including the GOP conventions.

Yes Booth would be a dem to... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Yes Booth would be a dem today. He would have gravitated to the party that filibustered the civil rights act and filibustered the anti-lynching laws and resisted the creation of the civil rights commission. He would have joined the party that defended segregation and passed the Jim Crow laws.

And yes anarchists are left wing by definition. I have never heard anyone say otherwise. I will also note that anarchists and leftists find common cause in many protests including the GOP conventions.
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Booth cared more for the deep South than anything, so he would be a Red state guy. His views are all radical versions of modern day Republican ideology.

As for you never hearing anyone say that anarchists are not leftists, I don't base conclusions on what you haven't heard people say. I imagine their are great many thnigs you haven't heard people say. Which side calls government evil? Who says government is the problem. You have one Libertarian in congress, the closest thing you get to anarchist and he is a Republican.

Since we are on the topic o... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Since we are on the topic of a 'climate of hate' it should be noted that

1) the Pima county sheriff Dupnik back tracked on his remarks of the other night saying that he had no evidence that the shooting was politically motivated.

2) that Loughner had been obsessing about Giffords since 2007 so his targeting her had occurred long before Palin or the Tea Party came on the scene.

3) He had been making death threats to prominent figures in the Tucson area for years and there is a suggestion that because he had a family member working for the county that the police ran interferrence for him and helped him avoid prosecution.

It sounds like Sheriff dumbass is covering his butt since it may turn out that this punk was on the street because of his negligence. Nothing like the Sheriff declaring the motive of the accused so as to taint the investigation and lead it awway from the evidence that his department had helped keep a violent, mentally ill person on the streets.

Let us call a truce wait an... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

Let us call a truce wait and see what facts emerge. Oswald seemed more of an anti-communist after his experiences in the Soviet Union-he was probably an agent even then, but let's forget him.

Fundamentally, it comes down to different philosphies of life, liberal vs conservative, and one crazy individual shouldn't make a difference, either way, apart from to his victims.

Jared Lee Loughner was the real opportunist, and he hurts the gun lobby more than the gun control lobby, though I imagine in the long run nothing will happen unless a pattern is established.

The curious thing is it is dead end to express so much loose talk or try to intimidate "don't retreat, reload" . That is exactly what Sarah is doing now retreating, saying they weren't gun or bomb sites but surveyor's sites..This might end her shtick, showing she doesn't even have the courage to stand by her previous convictions. She doesn't have much choice, since she worked hereself into a corner.

Sarah it's easy (or was)to stake out that tough talk invoking guns, targets, bulls-eyes, etc., because no one else is using it (probably because they knew it could sound bad). But after bragging of her hunting background, it's been revealed on her own reality show that she does not even know much about guns or how to use them.

Now that she has ditched her reload mantra she can go back to "drill, baby drill". People forget easily.

Let us call a truce wait... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Let us call a truce wait and see what facts emerge.

No truce. The facts are already out. He was obsessed with Giffords since 2007. He was mentally deranged and had been making death threats to politicians and radio celebrities in Tucson for years. People expressed concern thathe was going to go on a murder spree and they were right.

There is no truce with anyone trying to make this into a political issue for their own benefit.

The only ones trying to make it political are the left. They jumped on blaming the right with in an hour of the event before we even knew that Loughner had been detained. There was nothing to indicate why he did this and they declared with absolute certainty that it was the right, Sarah Palin and the Tera Party that were to blame and had caused this.

No truce in defending against the base lies of the left. You could stop it if you had any conscience.

Make a list of ri... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:


Make a list of right wing violence in the last 10 years, or calls for violence from legitimate right wingers.


Since you asked, SCSIwuzzy.

On June 26, 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court embraced the National Rifle Association's contention that the Second Amendment provides individuals with the right to take violent action against our government should it become "tyrannical." I wonder if that will be Loughner's defense?

It is quite a long list since June, 2008.

Yes that's quite a list of ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Yes that's quite a list of SCOTUS and other court decisions as well as actual acts of violence.

Are you now asserting that court decisions that go against your ideology are violent or provokative acts?

You're an asshole.

Jim m..temper temper.that i... (Below threshold)
Streve Crickmore:

Jim m..temper temper.that is why no one offers much in th eway of enlightenment on this blog. I found the closest link I could find to answer part of the question, in a few minutes. Sure it was based on the court decisions,-I didn't write it- but it is useful none the less, evn though it is part of of a different agenda, naturally. You don't expect a site to list all the right wing incidents and suggest that there should be more? Most right winger feel they are justified, even left wingers to take political armed action...I recall that Jefefrson revolutionary quote used a lot at antiwar rallies in 60's and early 70's'. It would be interesting and probably more peaceful had we never had a second amendment, with the inclusion of "a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" but we have it.

Oh Steve ... you really did... (Below threshold)

Oh Steve ... you really did NOT want to go there. Seriously. But since you did ...

Denounce, condemn, support or defend the following:

Pointing a gun at Sarah Palin's head

"Abort" Sarah Palin bumper stickers

Palin-hating artwork designating her an “M.I.L.P.” (Mother I’d Like to Punch)

Madonna weighs in

As does Sandra Bernhard (Truly, the face of ugly liberal hate, there)

Why Sarah Palin Incites Near-Violent Rage In Normally Reasonable Women. (I would argue that "Normally Reasonable" description in any context. Liberal feminists are neither)

Democratic Underground: Know your enemy

Some sample images: 1, 2, 3

Enough about Sarah? (That's just skimming the surface ... ) How about some Bush-bashing, for old times' sake?

Assassination fantasies were all the rage ... no pun intended.

Speaking of rage, here's a lovely demonstration by an Obama fan

And another, a charming young lady - a professional photographer, shows off her Photoshop skills after a photo shoot with McCain

F*** the Rich - Bringing arson to the class-warfare arsenal

A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents has told him to shut up

Let's not forget the charming denizens of Ezra Klein's JournoList: “F—ing Nascar retards…”; “Sarah Spitz, producer of the KCRW public radio program ‘Left, Right and Center,’ which is heard on a number of NPR stations across the country, wrote on JournoList that if she witnessed Limbaugh dying of a heart attack, she would ‘laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.’”

Proving that liberal talk radio still has new frontiers of bad taste to explore, syndicated host Mike Malloy has openly called for FOX News Channel host Glenn Beck to commit suicide, something he hopes will occur live and on the air.

Far be it for me to be accused of not giving equal opportunity for liberal thugs, how about some black racism, with a nice steaming side of antisemitism and some misogyny for dessert?

2007 New Black Panther Party block party rap: “bang for freedom,” “put the bang right into a cracker’s face,” and if you’re going to bang, bang for black power… hang a cracker [unintelligible] . . .if you’re going to bang, bang on the white devil. . . . burying him near the river bank with the right shovel. . . . community revolution in progress…. banging for crackers to go to hell, we don’t need em:”

Liberal Terror Attack on 2008 GOP Convention Thwarted

Once upon a time, gay meant "Happy"

The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010
By Michelle Malkin • January 10, 2011 03:19 AM

The Tucson massacre ghouls who are now trying to criminalize conservatism have forced our hand.

They need to be reminded. You need to be reminded.

Confront them. Don’t be cowed into silence.

And don’t let the media whitewash the sins of the hypocritical Left in their naked attempt to suppress the law-abiding, constitutionally-protected, peaceful, vigorous political speech of the Right.

They want to play tu quo que in the middle of a national tragedy? They asked for it. They got it.

***

The progressive climate of hate: A comprehensive illustrated primer in 8 parts:

I. PALIN HATE
II. BUSH HATE
III. MISC. TEA PARTY/GOP/ANTI-TRADITIONAL MARRIAGE HATE
IV. ANTI-CONSERVATIVE FEMALE HATE
V. LEFT-WING MOB HATE — campus, anti-war radicals, ACORN, eco-extremists, & unions
VI. OPEN-BORDERS HATE
VII. ANTI-MILITARY HATE
VIII. HATE: CRIMES — the ever-growing Unhinged Mugshot Collection

***
I. PALIN HATE

Flashback — pointing a fake gun at the head of a Sarah Palin likeness sitting next to a cardboard cutout of her daughter in a museum display:

Getty has since yanked the photo, but as one commenter who saw the photo at Getty’s site before it was yanked noted: “To see that image presented as if it were completely normal and purchasable was shocking.”

Flashback — trendy “ABORT Sarah Palin” stickers:

Flashback — Palin-hating artwork designating her an “M.I.L.P.” (Mother I’d Like to Punch). Hat tip: Edge of Forever:

Flashback — Palin Derangement Syndrome mobsters in Philly: “Let’s stone her, old school”

Flashback — Madonna bashing Sarah Palin and shrieking “I will kick her ass:”

Flashback — Sandra Bernhard bashing Sarah Palin and cursing her head off with hate warping her crazed face:

Flashback — Why Sarah Palin Incites Near-Violent Rage In Normally Reasonable Women.

Flashback — the Democratic Underground indulging in name-calling the MSM ignores:

Reader Monica M. sent me a link to the Democratic Underground’s latest thread for commenters to come up with nicknames and posters to slime GOP Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — and then to “spread [them] all over the ‘net.” There are now nearly 100 filthy, hate-filled responses and counting. Among the “nicer” entries: “Cruella,” “Gidget,” “Governor Jesus Camp,” “VPILF,” “Fertilla the Huntress,” “Iditabroad,” and “KILLER PYSCHO FUNDIE BITCH FROM HELL!!”

…Peer with me further into the liberal sinkhole again and behold P.D.S. in full bloom. Note that this site is raising money for Barack Obama and that an ad for their fundraiser appears at the top of the thread. Is Obama going to accept their cash? Know your enemy:

…The Photoshop entries getting thumbs up from DU commenters:

And the sickest attack of them all — mocking Palin for being a nursing mom:

II. BUSH HATE

Flashback — anti-Bush assassination chic, covered extensively in Unhinged and on this blog:

bushgun.jpg

killbush.jpg

killbush003.jpg

bushbeheaded.jpg

dope.jpg

bushassasslondon.jpg
Death of a President

III. MISC. ANTI-TEA PARTY/GOP/CONSERVATIVE HATE

Flashback — Unhinged Perriello/Obama supporter rips up GOP signs, screams “You f**king House nigger white-black bitch!”

Flashback — deranged left-wing photographer Jill Greenberg sabotaging an Atlantic magazine photo shoot of John McCain and defacing the pictures on her website:

Flashback — “F**k the rich:” Class-war arsonist on the loose

Flashback — Anti-war, anti-Bush loons attack girl in wheelchair

Flashback — Gems from Journolist…“F—ing Nascar retards…”; “Sarah Spitz, producer of the KCRW public radio program ‘Left, Right and Center,’ which is heard on a number of NPR stations across the country, wrote on JournoList that if she witnessed Limbaugh dying of a heart attack, she would ‘laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.’”

Flashback — “I hope Glenn Beck kills himself”

Flashback — The Democrat Rep. Pete Stark Raving Mad archive

Flashback — Malik Zulu Shabazz, “Prepare for war”

Flashback — 2007 New Black Panther Party block party rap: “bang for freedom,” “put the bang right into a cracker’s face,” and if you’re going to bang, bang for black power… hang a cracker [unintelligible] . . .if you’re going to bang, bang on the white devil. . . . burying him near the river bank with the right shovel. . . . community revolution in progress…. banging for crackers to go to hell, we don’t need em:”

Flashback — Remember This? Liberal Terror Attack on 2008 GOP Convention Thwarted

Flashback — The insane rage of the same-sex marriage mob

Before election day, national media hand-wringers forged a wildly popular narrative: The Right was, in the words of New York Times’ columnist Paul Krugman, gripped by “insane rage.” Outbreaks of incivility (some real, but mostly imagined) were proof positive of the extremist takeover of the Republican Party. The cluck-cluckers and tut-tutters shook in fear.

But when the GOP took a beating on Nov. 4, no mass protests ensued. No nationwide boycotts erupted. Conservatives took their lumps and began the peaceful post-defeat process of self-flagellation, self-analysis, and self-autopsy. In fact, there’s only one angry mob gripped by “insane rage” in the wake of campaign 2008: The mob of left-wing, same-sex marriage activists incensed at their defeat in California. Voters there approved a traditional marriage initiative, Proposition 8, by 52-48.

Instead of introspection and self-criticism, however, the sore losers who opposed Prop. 8 have responded with threats, fists, and blacklists.

That’s right. Activists have published an “Anti-Gay Black List” of Prop. 8 donors on the Internet. If the tables had been turned and Prop. 8 proponents created such an enemies’ list, everyone in Hollywood would be screaming “McCarthyism” faster than you can count to eight. A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted the business, intimidated patrons, and brought employees there to tears. In fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Café pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

Scott Eckern, a beleaguered artistic director at the California Musical Theatre, was forced to resign over his $1,000 donation to the Prop. 8 campaign. The director of the Los Angeles Film Festival, Rich Raddon, is next on the chopping block after the anti-Prop. 8 mob discovered that he had also contributed to the Yes on 8 campaign. Calls have been pouring in for his firing.

Over the past two weeks, anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic, and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.” Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religious-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX;” another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

Anti-Prop. 8 radicals chase Christian evangelists out of San Francisco’s Castro district

Anti-Prop. 8 radicals stomp on elderly Prop. 8 supporter’s cross

How about some hetero-hate?
The Playboy hatef*** list

the Top 10 Most Disgusting Attacks on Conservative Women

Montel Williams to GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann:
WILLIAMS (1:30:32): Michele, slit your wrist. Go ahead… or, do us all a better thing [sic]. Move that knife up about two feet. Start right at the collarbone.

The Ladies of the Spew “bitch” and moan
Laura Bush hatred at the SFChronicle
Another day, another hate wish
“The bitch is dead meat.”

Lefties are even more charming when roaming in packs -

Left-wing mob shuts down speech at Columbia University

Left-wing mob shuts down speech at UNC-Chapel Hill

Left-wing mob blocks military shipments in Olympia, WA

Left-wing SEIU/NPA mob descends on D.C. bank exec’s home, harasses son

Animal rights’ terrorists have firebombed researchers’ homes and Molotov cocktail-bombed their cars and been convicted of inciting threats, harassment, and vandalism against employees of a private company engaged in animal research.


Environmental terrorists have set developments on fire.


Self-proclaimed “bank terrorist” Bruce Marks, who I reported on last March, has been threatening bank employees in their homes and harassing their children for years

the ACORN mob chartered a bus — with twice as many outrage-stoking MSM photographers in tow — to menace AIG executives in their homes.

Let's not forget eco-terrorism and the green war on children

Torch-wielding leftists at UC Berkeley attack chancellor’s home

Campus chaos: Social justice mobsters attack police, smash windows over tuition hikes

The left-wing bullies in Robert Reich’s backyard

Big Labor’s legacy of violence

Oh look, the neighbors have come to visit!

August 2010…An open-borders activist smacks a man with a camera covering the Arizona state capitol protest over SB 1070

November 2009

“Luz verde para invadir Arizona.” Translation: “Green light to invade Arizona

Smash the state

Even the military - the soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who have pledged their lives to defend these thugs' right to smear them - are not off-limits -

January 20, 2005. At Seattle Central Community College, Army recruiter Sgt. Jeff Due and his colleague, Sgt. 1st Class Douglas Washington were surrounded by an angry mob of 500 anti-war students. The recruiters’ table was destroyed; their handouts torn apart. The protesters threw water bottles and newspapers at the soldiers, shouted profanities, and wielded their fists. The far Left Students Against War had been agitating to kick the recruiters off campus. The college administration refused to punish the mobsters.

Jan. 31, 2005. A little more than a week after the Seattle ambush, a shockingly fair and rare report from the NYT disclosed that recruiters in Manhattan reported that a door to their office had been beaten in. Anarchist symbols were scrawled in red paint on the building.

Feb. 1, 2005. At a South Toledo, Ohio recruitment center, unhinged protesters hurled manure all over the building.

Mid-Feb. 2005. 20-year-old anti-war goon Brendan Walsh is sentenced to five years in federal prison for hurling a Molotov cocktail through the window of a Vestal, NY military recruitment office in 2003

April 2006. The infamous UC Santa Cruz ambush on military recruiters takes place. The thugs gloated about throwing a rock at the recruiters’ SUV.

And some lovely faces of the left:

Gainsville, Fla., Democrat David P. McCally was charged with battery after he allegedly barged into a local GOP office, assaulted a cardboard cutout of President Bush, and punched a local Republican chairman in September 2004.

In March 2004, Carol Lang, a campus secretary at City College in New York, reportedly assaulted a police officer trying to arrest unruly anti-war protesters. Police arrested Lang and charged her with second-degree assault, disorderly conduct, and obstructing governmental administration.

At the same protest at which Carol Lang was arrested, police arrested students Justin Rodriguez, and Nicholas Bergreen. They charged Rodriguez with resisting arrest and disorderly conduct. They charged Bergreen with assaulting a police officer.

Police arrested Corey Robert Cooke of Ellicott City, Md., in September 2004 and charged him with malicious destruction of property after he allegedly used a power tool to cut down a Bush-Cheney sign.

Howard County, Md., police arrested Peter Lizon, and Stephanie Louise Lizon in October 2004 and charged them with malicious destruction of property. Mr. Lizon allegedly destroyed Bush-Cheney signs with a bayonet. His wife allegedly acted as the lookout.

Enough yet?

How about some of that hateful, violent "rhetoric" and "vitriol"?

Who said it?
“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”Not Sarah Palin


Get out there and “punish our enemies”Not Mitch McConnell


“I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!” Not Rush Limbaugh


“Punch back twice as hard.” Not John Boehner


I want to know “whose ass to kick”Not Sean Hannity


“…I’m itching for a fight.”Yep, him again


OK, Steve ... your turn.

(nods to the fabulous lady that has been collecting these examples - please excuse the plagiarism)

Yes thaat was intemperate.<... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Yes thaat was intemperate.

However, your comment gave the impression that the list was of violent acts from the right and the list is of gun violence and court decisions. And not all the actors are necessarily from the right. Some are from white supremecist groups that are racist and nothing more than that. Racism is not the exclusive domain of the right by any means.

accepted..I suppose there i... (Below threshold)
Steve Crickmore:

accepted..I suppose there is a fairly long list for the left, but as it has been marginalized it is less popular therefore there are less violent incidents, and the Democrats are after all running the governemnt. I have feeling that our shooter went from a being a garden variety liberal high school pothead to someone so extreme, the last year, that the tea party couldn't even have laid a glove on him.




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