Very well done and of course the left will crank up. Come on woop, Bruce, Steve. ww

Good for Her. The yoda eared fool will pander tonight.

"Who will be seen as a leader... and who will be seen as a panderer?"

No bet - the answer's already known. (Hint for the slow folk: the panderer doesn't live in Alaska.)

Well, we're all just gonna have to wait and see what that old teleprompter has to say, aren't we?

Well done Sarah Palin. You are one courageous lady with a lot of heart!

The question is who is Obama going to send a shout out to prior to talking about the shooting?

"we must reject the idea that every time a law is broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker."

"It's time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions,...."

And there you have it.

I don't think you could find a better example of a person whose love of country shines with such luminosity.

Very fitting that such an exceptional country should produce such an exceptional citizen.

the Left is going nuts (ok, MORE nuts) this morning over her use of the term "blood libel".

And true to form they are saying she is trying to insult Jews by using it.

The Left/media/Dems (same people) view every word from everyone who disagrees with them as a possible weapon to be used against them. Ignore them.

Sarah Palin's statement is wonderful, and splendidly delivered. Pay attention to her!

I'm sure Barry's speech will straddle the issue quite well. The only downside is having to listen to his drivel, given in his pedantic, monotone speech pattern.

"It's time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions,...."

...she said, as she denied accountability for her actions.

Yes, what a true leader, giving a "don't blame me" speech in a time of tragedy. Isn't that just what the country and the affected families need right now? Their loss filled by the warm comfort of a politician reinforcing to them that it wasn't her fault. Very Reaganesque, indeed. She is an inspiration to remind us that irresponsible speech is dangerous to us all... err, well, from anyone but her, at least.

Palin’s used the charged phrase “blood libel” — which refers to the anti-Semitic accusation from the Middle Ages that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make matzo for Passover.

The congresswoman Giffords is Jewish! That's one smart leader you guys got there.

"Their loss filled by the warm comfort of a politician reinforcing to them that it wasn't her fault."

So you KNOW for a FACT that it was?

Oh please share your divine knowledge with we mere mortals.

In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the yoda panders tonight.

“blood libel” can also mean trying to attach a horrific event's occurrence to a particular person or group.

Also known as 'guilt by association'.

Perhaps you can give us a nuanced explanation of how Palin's "targets" where any different from those used by the DNC?

You're right Warchild.

She doesn't hold a candle to President "57 States". Sooooooo intelligent!!!

“blood libel” can also mean trying to attach a horrific event's occurrence to a particular person or group.

Also known as 'guilt by association'.

Perhaps you can give us a nuanced explanation of how Palin's "targets" where any different from those used by the DNC?

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Are you trying to change the subject? I never mentioned palin's target map. I mentioned the term "Blood Libel" which given the original meaning of the phrase was a bit dense for Palin to use don't you think?

You're right Warchild.

She doesn't hold a candle to President "57 States". Sooooooo intelligent!!!

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Is your children learning? Btw, it's one thing to make an off the cuff mistake, it's another thing to do it while speaking on a very recent national tragedy and insulting the victim with your your poor choice of words.

“blood libel” can also mean trying to attach a horrific event's occurrence to a particular person or group.

Also known as 'guilt by association'.
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Oh btw, it is not known as "Guilt by association."

It refers to a false accusation or claim. As in the claim that Jews use Christian babies to make matzo. Poor choice of words.

War infant hates America.

Real or Memorex?

War infant hates America.

Real or Memorex?

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You are not America. I hate you. :)

Our lawn-jockey Lenin will pander, once he breaks free of ESPN.

Blood Libel is more currently referenced for the blood diamond feud and the libelous practices of diamond brokers. Using and exploiting a tragic situation for profit. Just what the left is doing. Reprobates all. Look it up warkid. ww

"It refers to a false accusation or claim. As in the claim that Jews use Christian babies to make matzo. Poor choice of words."

Why? Because of an archaic meaning - which also, AS YOU STATE, means: A FALSE ACCUSATION? Which is EXACTLY what she meant.

Blood Libel is more currently referenced for the blood diamond feud and the libelous practices of diamond brokers. Using and exploiting a tragic situation for profit. Just what the left is doing. Reprobates all. Look it up warkid. ww
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I did. From encyclopedia.com

Blood-libel. The accusation that Jews murder non-Jews to obtain blood for Passover rituals. This accusation was repeated in many places in the Middle Ages and was the cause of anti-Jewish riots and massacres. It was a regular motif in anti-Semitic propaganda until the Second World War.

From Wikipedia.

Blood libel (also blood accusation[1][2]) refers to a false accusation or claim[3][4][5] that religious minorities, almost always Jews[citation needed], murder children to use their blood in certain aspects of their religious rituals and holidays.[1][2][6] Historically, these claims have–alongside those of well poisoning and host desecration–been a major theme in European persecution of Jews.[4]

The libels typically allege that Jews require human blood for the baking of matzos for Passover. The accusations often assert that the blood of Christian children is especially coveted, and historically blood libel claims have often been made to account for otherwise unexplained deaths of children. In some cases, the alleged victim of human sacrifice has become venerated as a martyr, a holy figure around whom a martyr cult might arise

From the guardian:

Blood libel – what does it mean?

Sarah Palin borrows phrase from a notorious passage in the Bible to condemn the Arizona shootings

The blood libel refers specifically to perhaps the most notorious verse in the Bible: Matthew 27:25, which has been used by some Christians to persecute Jews for nearly 2,000 years. That it should be used by an avowedly Christian politician about a Jewish one just takes crassness and insensitivity to a new level.

I couldn't find one referernce to what you said Willie. Have heard the phrase Blood Diamond though.

LOL at the trolls like Warbaby. Saracuda has free rent in your heads. All. Day. Long.
When you can't dispute the facts, you attack the messenger.

Palin's speech was really good, presidential even. That's what real leadership looks like.

Pretty funny, people are already tripping all over themselves trying to define "blood libel." She could not have picked a more perfect phrase, which, faux-gressive morons, doesn't mean anything about feuds in the hills, a call to arms, or threats of blood shed. It means to be slandered, to be falsely accused of evil, of blood shed. That is precisely what the media and some bloggers did to Palin.

One more Little Willie.

from Websters online Dictionary:

Blood Libel: Various religious and other groups have been falsely accused of using human blood in rituals; such accusations are known as blood libel. The most common form of this is blood libel against Jews. Although there is no ritual involving human blood in Jewish law or custom, fabrications of this nature (often involving the murder of children) were widely used during the Middle Ages to justify Antisemitic persecution and some have persisted into the 21st century.

LOL at the trolls like Warbaby. Saracuda has free rent in your heads. All. Day. Long.
When you can't dispute the facts, you attack the messenger.
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Yes, by pointing out what she factually said and then using the factual definition of what she said, along with including the fact that Giffords is Jewish, I apparently can't handle facts.

That's real smart thinking. You are quite the brain aren't you? Especially since your post included not one fact, but just your opinion. Well done.

Sometimes it's hard to remember we're all on the same team. That's why http://mittromneycentral.com/2011/01/12/congressman-pence-introduces-bill-to-defund-planned-parenthood-of-taxpayer-dollars/ was so refreshing and timely. Before the race for 2012 officially starts, we should get as many people to read that wonderful piece as we can. Then, in 2012 we can bring America back!

Pretty funny, people are already tripping all over themselves trying to define "blood libel."
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Yes, I tripped all over myself it was really hard. I just had to go Encyclopedia.com Whew. need a break now.

"When you can't dispute the facts, you attack the messenger."

Oh please enlighten us as to the FACTS that Palin is responsible for the shooting. Which was the the thrust of the original posting.

"Palin’s used the charged phrase “blood libel” — which refers to the anti-Semitic accusation from the Middle Ages that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make matzo for Passover."

This is true warchild. However it is my understanding that the term blood libel can be expanded to any false accusation of a particularly egregious nature of which your historic reference is the basis. Using the spilled blood of others to demonize Palin is another example. What's to debate on that? The fact that this macabre correlation is made by the left and she has the audacity to call them on it? As has been said many times, people of your ilk are dismissive of Palin and treat her with condescension. Yet there always seems to be a need to paint her with the most outragious caricatures. There is not one poll that suggests she has a chance of gaining a public office of any political heft, yet she continues to be treated as a major threat. Are you threatened by her?

So you KNOW for a FACT that it was?

So if I mock you for saying X, then I'm really saying that I KNOW for a FACT the opposite of X? Is that how it works on the right?

When you respond to my comments, please make it relevant to something I actually said, or at least consistent with how humans rationally communicate.

"When you can't dispute the facts, you attack the messenger."

Oh please enlighten us as to the FACTS that Palin is responsible for the shooting. Which was the the thrust of the original posting.

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Never once made the claim.

warbaby is trying to avoid discussing the false accusations.....he'd rather go down the road and talk about rabbits.

Hey warbaby - maybe you can explain your Obamassiah's recent statement as to how we're "digging ourselves out of a hole".

Just how does one 'dig themselves out of a hole'?

"Palin’s used the charged phrase “blood libel” — which refers to the anti-Semitic accusation from the Middle Ages that Jews killed Christian children to use their blood to make matzo for Passover."

This is true warchild. However it is my understanding that the term blood libel can be expanded to any false accusation of a particularly egregious nature of which your historic reference is the basis. Using the spilled blood of others to demonize Palin is another example. What's to debate on that? The fact that this macabre correlation is made by the left and she has the audacity to call them on it? As has been said many times, people of your ilk are dismissive of Palin and treat her with condescension. Yet there always seems to be a need to paint her with the most outragious caricatures. There is not one poll that suggests she has a chance of gaining a public office of any political heft, yet she continues to be treated as a major threat. Are you threatened by her?

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I don't think she is particularly bright nor qualified. I also think the phrase "Blood Libel" was an exceptionally poor choice of words given that Giffords is Jewish.

Also, while it is true she won't ever be president, She does contribute much to the political debate. If she doesn't want people commenting on what she says she simply need refrain from public statements. Michael Moore isn't a political figure likely to be president either. The right has no problem attacking him.

"It's time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions,...."

...she said, as she denied accountability for her actions.

11. Posted by john | January 12, 2011 11:55 AM

Once again......what are your FACTS that she is responsible?

warchild,

Are you sure you got that definition from Merriam Webster's Dictionary?

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blood%20libel

blood libel The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.

warbaby is trying to avoid discussing the false accusations.....he'd rather go down the road and talk about rabbits.

Hey warbaby - maybe you can explain your Obamassiah's recent statement as to how we're "digging ourselves out of a hole".

Just how does one 'dig themselves out of a hole'?

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You are too bright. Why should I discuss it, if I am not making that claim? doesn't make much sense does it little man?

Hey Chip here is the link:

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/Blood?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Blood&sa=Search#906

Chip a lot of stuff on that page. Do a "Crtl F" and type Blood Libel and you will find what I used.

warchild,

I see, so the part of the definition you're stuck on is the part that refers to the jews, not the "false accusations" and "various religious, and other groups" parts?

"Why should I discuss it, if I am not making that claim? doesn't make much sense does it little man?"

You rake Palin over the coals for using an archaic expression - tying in the fact that Giffords is Jewish. Implying (once again) how stupid Palin is.

I merely pointed out the most recent gaff by your Obamassiah. Once again, implying how stupid he is.

Get the connection now?

Once again, repeating myself. You've gone off on a tangent - NOT discussing the original thrust of the article - which was Palin defending herself against the liberal charge that SHE is responsible for the shootings.

I'd have more, but John hasn't gotten back yet with all the FACTS that Palin was responsible for the shooters actions.

warchild,

I see, so the part of the definition you're stuck on is the part that refers to the jews, not the "false accusations" and "various religious, and other groups" parts?

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Encyclopedia.com

Blood-libel. The accusation that Jews murder non-Jews to obtain blood for Passover rituals. This accusation was repeated in many places in the Middle Ages and was the cause of anti-Jewish riots and massacres. It was a regular motif in anti-Semitic propaganda until the Second World War.

Every definition of the origin of the word demonstrates the phrase comes from a claim that Jews kill Christina babies. Given that Giffords is Jewish, I am certainly making the claim that it was a foolish choice of words.

"I am certainly making the claim that it was a foolish choice of words."

TRANSLATION: Because the charges against Palin as made by the left were patently false to begin with. But I don't want to go there.

warchild doesn't even recognize when he's castrated his own arguments.

The most common form of this is blood libel against Jews.

"Most common," meaning "not exclusively."

Thanks, warbaby. Case closed.

J.

"If she doesn't want people commenting on what she says she simply need refrain from public statements."

This is a dodge warchild. There are times Palin impresses me and other times she disappoints me. Always eloquent? No. Correct most of the time? I believe so. First of all, if anyone wishes to avoid comment then you go through life as a mute. There is not one thing she has said in public that justifies using her as the cause of the tragedy that occurred in Arizona. That alone is the wrong in all of this. It is an offensive inference and she defended herself. The words she used are not nearly as offensive as the accusation against her. Geesh. The fact that she uses the term 'blood libel'? Well, you think she is not bright so you obviously feel she could not understand fully this term. Condescending again? So now we are treated to your diversion of a whole seminar on 'blood libel'. As I see it she used it approrpiately. Don't infer that her response is more offensive than the original accusation. By the way, if you can find one person who knows this deranged assassin and who can - first hand - attest that his act was politically motivated by Palin then I would be interested.

So warchild, you believe that the accusation that jews actually murdered non-jew babies? You believe that "claim"?

I believe Sarah used exactly the right words. She, and others on the right, are being "accused" of "drawing blood", when there is no evidence of a direct connection, or evidence that the shooter even listened to or subscribed to conservative media.

"Why should I discuss it, if I am not making that claim? doesn't make much sense does it little man?"

You rake Palin over the coals for using an archaic expression - tying in the fact that Giffords is Jewish. Implying (once again) how stupid Palin is.
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Indeed I did. It was a stupid choice of words.

I merely pointed out the most recent gaff by your Obamassiah. Once again, implying how stupid he is.

Who is my Obamamessiah? I don't seem to defend him with same religious fervor you defend Palin. Are you praying to her?

Get the connection now?

No. You attacked me for not defending an assertion I never made. Why don't you defend yourself against the times you called every black person you ever met the "N-word?" Oh wait I know, You didn't do it, so therefore there it is a waste time for you to defend it. Caught on yet? I'll defend what I say, and what I do, not some imaginary argument you think I made.

Once again, repeating myself. You've gone off on a tangent - NOT discussing the original thrust of the article - which was Palin defending herself against the liberal charge that SHE is responsible for the shootings.

Her defense of herself accused people of a Blood Libel. How is responding to what the Woman ACTUALLY SAID a tangent? Man you need a critical thinking course of some kind.

You'll have to excuse warspawn...

He is still shell shocked from Novembers ass kicking and is hopelessly stuck in the libtardo play-book of blame Palin, or blame BOOOSH!

Have another shot of kool aid clownchild.

So warchild, you believe that the accusation that jews actually murdered non-jew babies? You believe that "claim"?

I believe Sarah used exactly the right words. She, and others on the right, are being "accused" of "drawing blood", when there is no evidence of a direct connection, or evidence that the shooter even listened to or subscribed to conservative media.

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Uhh no. I do not believe that. I believe the definition of a blood libel is the false claim that jews Murdered Christian babies. I believe the word is a poor choice of words after a Jewish woman is shot.

You'll have to excuse warspawn...

He is still shell shocked from Novembers ass kicking and is hopelessly stuck in the libtardo play-book of blame Palin, or blame BOOOSH!

Have another shot of kool aid clownchild.

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Typical of this moron. Straight to personal attacks because he is too stupid to make a logical argument. You're excused little man.

Stupid child. So what? BFD.

warchild, if you're done playing with words, care to address how you eviscerated your own arguments in comment #28, as I noted in comment #47?

J.

"I am certainly making the claim that it was a foolish choice of words."

TRANSLATION: Because the charges against Palin as made by the left were patently false to begin with. But I don't want to go there.

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Translation: I'm Garandfan am a fucking idiot who seems to think when a person shares an ideology that automatically means they must believe every single argument made by every person who shares a similar ideology.

by that logic you are a racist since David Duke is a Republican and a pedophile because Marc Foley likes touching little boys.. Christ you are a dumbass.

Have a nice day warchild.

warchild doesn't even recognize when he's castrated his own arguments.

The most common form of this is blood libel against Jews.

"Most common," meaning "not exclusively."

Thanks, warbaby. Case closed.

J.
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How does that eviscerate the argument? Oh wait it doesn't. Since the argument is the choice of words is foolish and the reason given to support said argument is the most common use of the word is slanderous to jews.

One doesn't need the word to have the exclusive meaning for it to be a poor choice.

For example,

If i find a definition of the N-word that means say stingy does it make it less offensive to blacks.

I'd rethink calling something case closed until you think it through if I were you.

Have a nice day warchild.
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You too!

You would think with the large success Wizbang is becoming it would attract a more intelligent breed of debater then warinfancy?

Guess you cant have everything.

You would think with the large success Wizbang is becoming it would attract a more intelligent breed of debater then warinfancy?

Guess you cant have everything.

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Given the fact that I have won every exchange it doesn't speak highly of the debaters here does it?

Well I have to say, Palin should know the faith of everybody before she speaks. But of course, Warkid knew Giffords was jewish. Can you be more pathetic? Yes you probably can. She used the exact correct phrase to demonstrate what has happened in the wake of this tragedy. The left, unfeeling, uncompassionately used this very sad tragedy of the murder of a nine year old girl and a federal judge and others for cheap political gain. Attempted anyway. Did not succeed. Mainstream america sees how base and devoid of any core beliefs the left is. ww

Well, we're all just gonna have to wait and see what that old teleprompter has to say, aren't we? Maybe Obama can borrow Palin's?

Well I have to say, Palin should know the faith of everybody before she speaks. But of course, Warkid knew Giffords was jewish. Can you be more pathetic? Yes you probably can.
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If I become more pathetic would that make me you wee willy? That's a long way down.

Anyway I'm out of here, spent too much time on this. All the best, even to people like 914.

amazing that Palin's use of a TERM that is used to mean "false and egregious accusation” is instead used by the brainless to refer to the historical context that led to the term…and then claim it is offensive to a particular portion of Americans (in this case, the Jews). The Left…always looking for a way to divide and conquer.

p.s. to the trolls…the word “Decimate” is routinely used to mean “destroyed”…even though its original meaning was to “Reduce by a tenth”. So when someone says they were “decimated” by something, or a team was “decimated” during a game, or a city was “decimated”, or even when historical documents say the Jews were “decimated by the Germans during WWII”…they REALLY mean destroyed (or nearly so)…NOT that they were “reduced by a tenth”.

"Given the fact that I have won every exchange it doesn't speak highly of the debaters here does it?"

Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Courtesy of Alan Derschowitz:

“The term ‘blood libel’ has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse... Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim.”

I think having a prominant Jewish voice as well as a prominant liberal voice saying that 1) the use of the term "Blood Libel" is entirely appropriate in this case and 2) that Sarah Palin is justified in that the accusations are completely false; people like Steve and Warchild should give up their bogus arguments.

First they lost the argument that this was politically motivated now they are losing the argument that says their original accusations were disgusting and dispicable and smack of the kind of tactics that fascists ans genocidal maniacs use.

warputz-

"Given the fact that I have won every exchange it doesn't speak highly of the debaters here does it?"

You're arrogance rivals that of Barry.

The child just got pwned:

" Courtesy of Alan Derschowitz:

“The term ‘blood libel’ has taken on a broad metaphorical meaning in public discourse... Although its historical origins were in theologically based false accusations against the Jews and the Jewish People,its current usage is far broader. I myself have used it to describe false accusations against the State of Israel by the Goldstone Report. There is nothing improper and certainly nothing anti-Semitic in Sarah Palin using the term to characterize what she reasonably believes are false accusations that her words or images may have caused a mentally disturbed individual to kill and maim.” "

That's gotta burn.

914: You misspelled 'your', you fucking idiot.

Jay Tea: 'faggot' has multiple meanings but people should know well enough not to refer to a bundle of twigs with that word in the company of gay people. Similarly, it's in extremely poor taste to use the term 'blood libel' in the context of the attempted assassination of a Jewish politician. warchild's point stands: it was an idiotic choice of words. The ADL agrees.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/12/palin-criticized-for-using-blood-libel/

Sarah Palin is not to blame for this tragedy. However, she is responsible for her response to it, and it is decidedly lacking.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/01/sarah_palins_missed_opportunit.html

Her political career is now finished, though she will likely still be a highly paid political pundit with a few million fans so it could be worse for her.

And Willie, you should produce a single example of someone using the term 'blood libel' to refer to some aspect of the blood diamonds trade--or admit that you're a liar, and not a very good clever one at that.

"Given the fact that I have won every exchange it doesn't speak highly of the debaters here does it?"

Words fail me at the sheer stupidity of this troll. Is the state of Denial one of the 57 states?

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warchild - a legend in his own mind.

Rassmussen has a new survey that shows that only 28% of Americans believe this had anything to do with any political speech. Even half of the dems surveyed didn't think there was any connection.

The trolls here are just that. They are fringe elements that even find themselves in the minority on the left.

You point to Ezra Klein as some sort of authority on politics?

Klein is a far laft hack who got caught tying to conspire to dictate a leftist narrative in the media. Klein wouldn't know the truth if it came up and kicked him in the ass and it has already several times in the past.

Palin's career is not over by a long shot and if anything the far left attack on her has probably elevated her in the minds of independents. I don't think she is ever going to be President but that is not necessarily her aim nor is it necessarily where she will have the most influence on the direction of this country.

"I don't think she is ever going to be President but that is not necessarily her aim nor is it necessarily where she will have the most influence on her own financial well-being."

Fixed that for you.

My, the lefties are really into the ad ad hominem attacks today, aren't they? Sure have their panties all bunched up. Must be because a majority isn't buying the pap they've been trying to sell for the last couple of days.

Won't it be fun to compare Sarah's words against Obama's when he addresses the nation tonight?

Fun, are you kidding? Another great choice of words Rick, what kind of seminary were you at anyways?

I am not worrying about Sarah Palin's exact terminology. Many of her worda, are just as tone deaf. I'm not mistaken- I could be- the shooter was Jewish or half Jewish too, but what I did notice in Palin's speech, was her demeanour, her constant smile, at least, in the beginning what on earth is there to smile about? and talking about America so vibrant with ideas, a light to the rest of the world, who else would say a "bitter -sweet irony" -at a moment like this, aside from Rick, that the American spirit shines brightest..then "maps of swing districts"- that is what she is calling them now.

Not a tinge of regret, Every indidivual in the country is responsible for their actions, as she stresses over and over again. (but not our Sarah) As she ever apologized for anything she has done? I have never heard her. She may have just as easily say "no regrets, just...." you can fill in the blanks.

Steve, Palin didn't cause that piece of shit to try and assassinate a politician, nor to kill or wound any of his other victims.

The point, though, is rather than expressing condolences and leaving it at that (or saying that heated rhetoric is fine but that in the future everyone should be careful to avoid violent imagery because some people are crazy), she positioned herself as a victim.

She's totally fucked and it's her fault. The lamestream media didn't write that speech, nor did they force her to give it.

Find a new hero, teabaggers.

Amazing how some people can see the exact same thing, and come to a different conclusion.

"Many of her worda, are just as tone deaf."

Whata isa worda?

"As she ever apologized for anything she has done?"

Don't be such an Ashole.

"..rather than expressing condolences and leaving it at that.."

Yeah! How dare she defend herself after 4 straight days of being accused of having blood on her hands for something she didn't do! Everyone else should be allowed to blame her and put their spin on the incident, be she should not be allowed to give her point of view!!1

stevie: "Not a tinge of regret, Every indidivual in the country is responsible for their actions, as she stresses over and over again. (but not our Sarah)"

She should appologize for having a website which the shooter NEVER saw? The shooter's insanity goes back well before pretty much anyone heard of Sarah Palin...and he apparently had a grudge against Giffords that goes back years as well. Palin was supposed to apologize for that too?

And as for hyperbolist...well HE should apologize for being a complete and utter moron, but he probably won't. Maybe stevie can talk him into it??

Right. She hasn't positioned herself as a victim. That's my misunderstanding of her use of the word 'blood libel'.

I misunderstood her exuding charisma and leadership to be positioning herself as a victim; and whereas I thought she was doing PR spin/damage control to manage public perception of herself, she was in fact helping America to heal itself.

Wwwwhhhiiirrrr-listen to the sound of liberals spinning. First they try to make political gains out of violence by a schizophrenic. Wait, the guy was a registered independent and his best friend says he didn't follow politics. Next, uh oh, looks like their favorite sheriff is actually more accountable. He knew Laughner was crazy and making death threats.

Well...well...let's pontificate about the best meaning of blood libel.

Wwwwhhhhiiirrrrr!

Oh, and trolls-YAWN!

So you're saying she was not a "victim"?

hyperbolist, you are not allowed to call members and followers of the tea party on this site teapbaggers. That is considered offensive to them.

Palmetto State Armory was recently selling a Joe Wilson "You Lie" AR-15 Lower gun part. They just took it down, but it is still in googles cache.

Everyone here should bookmark this thread. In the future, when you're all butt-hurt and bemoaning the unfair demise of Sarah Palin's political career, you can return to this to re-read your thoughts on the turning point where she went from star spokesmodel of a vocal political movement to full-time pundit and author who publishes exclusively through Regnery.

You read it here first, and you can read it here again whenever you like. That's the beauty of the internet.

Warbaby

The one thing that was common amongst all your definitions was "FALSE ACCUSATIONS" sorta like the ones the left are making against her.

Steve

Did you want Palin to bite her lip and say "I feel your pain" as Clinton would have done?

"Not a tinge of regret, Every indidivual in the country is responsible for their actions, as she stresses over and over again. (but not our Sarah)"

And when has she tried to shed responsibility for what she has done? Not some half accusation such as the left is making up now but anything else come to mind? And while we are at shall we compare what you come up with with "I did not have sex .... Lewinsky"

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Hyper

"she positioned herself as a victim.
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Hell she doesnt need to. She is a victim of the liberal press and the left. How do I know this? Her name has been spoken more since this incident than in the last 6 months.

Palin is the new Bush. No matter what bad happens it is her fault. next thing you know Obama will be blaming higher jobless figures on her.

Once again hyper........

So you're saying she was not a "victim"?

No the shooter, as far as we know, never saw 'her maps of swing districts'-- but the real victim did and commented on it last March how she uncomfortable, or words to that effect she felt. Sarah laughed it off then ann upped the ante with her slogan "Don't reretreat, reload" and March madness column.

But I notice our courageous Sarah had the vapors when Joe McGinnesss, well known liberal-centrist writer, now there is dangerous man, had the cheek to rent a house next to her in the summer. You recall how 'apopoletic' Sarah went then. Joe McGuiness c'mon. Narcisstic bullies are normally cowards when it comes to someone treading near them.

Still haven't answered the question.

Hey if I felt somemone to be uncomfortable for their personal safety I defintiely would apologize and back in March and say Iim sorry. That is what being big, decent and charitable and a real American is all about, The closest she got today was saying this is a "bitter-sweet" moment. Thankfully, she included bitter, but nothing would surprise me about the tact and dignity of this woman. By all means support her.

Oh sorry, I was on a conference call. I'll tell my client to get fucked next time you ask me a question, GF. "Sorry gang but there's this really important blog thread to which I must attend."

Anyway...

Her video was about her being a victim, not about expressing condolences in the wake of a tragedy. So we know what's more important to her. She will never be accused of rising above the fray, as Clinton so artfully did. (The same Clinton who enjoyed stratospheric approval ratings for much of his presidency.)

Anyway, victim or not, fair or otherwise, her political career is finished.

"Her video was about her being a victim, not about expressing condolences in the wake of a tragedy."

I'll take both Steve and hyper's response as a "yes".

As for 'expressing condolences', in case you missed it while on conference call, Palin sent a personal message of condolence to the family a couple of days ago.

Ha! Sharron Angle is defending her. Ol' "Second Amendment remedies" herself. That's exactly the sort of vote of confidence Palin needs to weather the storm: someone who actually recommended that people use firearms to express their political views, and who lost to Harry Reid's corpse.

Stick a fork in her. (That's a metaphor. Don't literally stab her with any sharp objects! She'll cry about it on the internet.)

Also, as for her comment that heinous acts of violence begin and end with the individuals who commit them: it would appear that Sarah Palin just endorsed the construction of a mosque in a Muslim community center at Ground Zero.

"...someone who actually recommended that people use firearms to express their political views...."

Suggestion, drop by Powerline. She made that comment in an interview there. Hinderaker reminds people of the CONTEXT in which she said it.

Didn't we have a rather long discussion some time ago about CONTEXT?

But keep pulling out those rabbits. Matter of fact, I can point you to another blog that runs for pages of images of similar LEFTEST political discourse......which you, as usual, don't recall.

"Also, as for her comment that heinous acts of violence begin and end with the individuals who commit them: it would appear that Sarah Palin just endorsed the construction of a mosque in a Muslim community center at Ground Zero."

Your logic is irrefutable.

Sorry, I 'm having trouble with this keyboard. The only victims are those and the family who w on the Safeways parking lot and the families they left behind. All else we be completing forgotten in a week's time.

Palin far from being a victim, is a very lucky person. She has got everything a person could wish for including pots of money, but odd I have never heard her give a speech focusing on treatment for disabled children with down syndrome. She has never given that speech, she promised. I guess she has been too busy and you recall Angle's comments minimising the needs of autistic children.

100. Posted by Steve Crickmore

Oh look! Another rabbit. And Steve, you forgot to mention the endangered Spotted Owl.

Is it wrong that I don't particularly care what either Sarah Palin or Barack Obama has to say about this? I'm mostly interested in Mr. Loughner going to trial for his actions and in Ms. Giffords recovering from her wounds.

All else, from the condemnatory sheriff to the former vp nominee, is political theater, and rather useless for my purposes.

retired military- i watched the first half of the video only= my bad- that is all I could take, Sure she expressed condolences,- it was written for her-she is just as bad as Obama with a teleprompter- I still can't understand her giving the speech with a big smile- Anyways her role is as a flame thrower, it doesn't suit her being something else.

"political theater"

Unfortunately James, the liberal elite of the MSM thinks otherwise.

I usually don't respond to canadians when that "country" squelches free speech by forbidding satellite users from getting Fox News. They finally do now, but it gives you an indication of the citizens of our attic.

Palin did remarkably well. I remember the left saying "Rove is done. Finished." The list goes on. But the left lives in their pathetic 19% bubble and are unaware of other opinions.

The person whose career is over with is Dupnik. His inaction and favoritism caused the death of six people.

Also, I am always amazed that the left addresses people by their color or ethnicity. I didn't know Giffords was jewish and still don't care. Then one of the lefty loons stated the killer was half jewish. These loons are racist and bigots. ww

Willie, you forget - the liberal 'no labels' crowd always has to 'label' everything.

Um, my logic is sound at #97. If she actually believes that only the person who performs an action is responsible for that action--that we exist outside of a network of causal influences, and that no words or actions of anyone else can be considered partially responsible for what we do--then she has no grounds on which to oppose the construction of the Muslim community center.

She would also have no grounds on which to suggest that the Hutu radio broadcasters who caused the genocide in Darfur ought to accept some culpability. Or that Hitler's speeches had much to do with the Holocaust.

I guess my point is this: she's really stupid.

Garand:

Of all the things I read, This chills me a little bit, just because of the mistake also made. Wanted to get your opinion given your background in law enforcement.

Hey Willie, tell us again how 'blood libel' has to do with the blood diamonds trade, you lying imbecile. It's safe to say that if you're too stupid to use Google, then you aren't the sort of person I could give a flying fuck about.

You're a liar, and an idiot, and yet you still come off as pretentious. Hilarious.

James:

"In the chaos and pressure of the moment, you can shoot the wrong person."

Like TRAINED cops haven't in the past? Just last week a plain clothes officer was shot and killed outside a Brooklyn night club. By other officers.

Slate misses the point, which he himself wrote. "Zamudio was in a nearby drug store when the shooting began, and he was armed. He ran to the scene and helped subdue the killer."

Zamudio ran TOWARDS the gunfire BECAUSE HE WAS ARMED.

The whole thing about gun ownership and training would take up several pages to make a proper comment. Suffice to say, just "buying" and "carrying" because the law allows it, is FELONY STUPID.

"I guess my point is this: she's really stupid."

Which you've believed all along. No matter what she does or says, it will result in the same conclusion.

And what's with the personal attacks? You didn't get enough fiber this morning?

wilwillie. i don't care either i should have googled it- I have now- he is not jewish or half jewish as was rumored. I was attemting to discredit any thought of anti-semiticism on the part of the shooter- we should all take this topic who directly influenced Loughner off the table- Palin called him apolitical. I would hardly say that, he was an anti-government, anti-everything paranoid psycho, leave it that.

Garand:

I know trained police officers also make mistakes. I just felt some horror at the idea the tragedy could have been worse if Zamudio had made the wrong split-second call.

And, what you're sayin' about Felony Stupid makes sense. My biggest reason for not bearing my own arms is that I'm a really, really lousy shot. I've enjoyed going to the shooting range on those occasions I have, but I try to know my limits.

James:
Yes it could have gone south real fast. For whatever reason, Zamudio's gut instinct in holding fire was correct. Sometimes that's all you have to go on - that momentary feeling that 'somethings not right - better wait'.

Steve

Sarah Palin didnt shoot anyone, She didnt tell anyone to shoot anyone. She didnt even tell anyone to use a gun against anyone.

Even if she had she isnt mind controlling anyone. The shooter is the one responsible for the shooting. Not the gun, the bullet, his parents, the sheriff, the person who sold him the gun. THE SHOOTER.

So again, why is the left frothing over Sarah Palin? The same way the frothed over her during the election making up lie after lie after misconception about her.

As I stated. She is the new Bush who was the new Gringrich. The left has to demonize someone and Palin is that person. If she were to drop off the face of the earth today then next week the press and the left would find a new whipping boy.

retired military.. We are frothing over Sarah Palin-god bless her because she says things, most conservative politicians feel but wouldn't dare say, so I will cut her some slack. I see her as not the whipping boy but their fall guy. I would like her to run seriously. At least, we wouldn't have to put up with those anyonymous Republican senators as being the spokespersons for their party.

James H, I am with you. I'd like to see a real investigation and a shot at justice. Nothing will bring the dead back, most everything else is just posturing by politicians.

Lord, but how a Sarah Palin post brings out the hate from the predictable crowd.

Unreal.
After 4 straight days of the most disgusting, bloody false accusations; Sarah finally responds and is quickly accused of 'making herself out to be a victim' by the lefty trolls. I think the Lefties here would rejoice if physical harm came to Sarah.

The blood literally wasn't dry yet and the Lefties started to use it to push their agenda and libel their enemies.

Ghouls. Have they no shame?

Check this out, then put the pissing contest to rest.

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/01/12/exclusive-alan-dershowitz-defends-sarah-palins-use-of-term-blood-libel/

Phew! Kinda stinks in here... Did somebody leave that door to Democratic Underground open again and let all these vermin into the house?

Ma! Fetch me that bottle o' DDT out the barn, would ya?

Ghouls.

Famous mainstream Lefty reporter Jonathan Alter :

" *"Sad to say, if Giffords had died, she would have been mourned and soon the conversation would have moved on. But Giffords lives, thank God, which offers other possibilities. We won't know for weeks or months whether she can function in public. If she can, she will prove a powerful referee of the boundaries of public discourse--more influential, perhaps, than the president himself."*"

To which James Taranto of the WSJ replies "A woman is in the hospital, gravely wounded in a brutal attack, and Alter is happy she is alive because he has an idea of how to put her to use furthering a political agenda. "Thank God" she lived, he says, because he has the rest of her life planned out for her. This is such an obscenity that Newsweek should be delivered in a plain brown wrapper."

Re: Ran56, # 119 -- we all know that our own war child is much smarter than Alan Dershowitz. Maybe war child should get Dershowitz on the phone and straighten him out.

In any event, it's a good diversion. The "blood libel" crap keeps our attention away from Obama's "France is our greatest ally" blunder.

...she says things, most conservative politicians feel but wouldn't dare say

Really. So you're claiming that you know the opinions of "most conservative politicians" without them actually saying anything. How marvelous. Are you psychic?

Right now, I'm holding up a card. Is it the one with the square, the circle, or the three wavy lines?

OregonMuse, I suppose I'm not fair. most aren't as extreme or unfeeling as Palin. I think the grownups such as Hucklebee have had about about enough of her, in recent weeks or haven't you noticed? Some of the GOP officials in Tuscon are quitting now under teaparty intimidation and concern for their family safety.

I don't understand wizbang's fascination with the narcisstic, Palin whose signature is what I would call her irreponsible violent rhetoric , "blood libel" is the lastest bombast after repeating often that the president" hates America", "pals around with terrorists" and so on that goes down well in Limbaugh land. Does she really care about the impact of her words? Evidently not, but when they could be constued as criticism of her they become" blood libel".

I have told Jay, Palin is very vindictive, usually the reflection of someone very egocentric. He doesn't believe me. He will find out, but not everyone will.

I don't think you could find a better example of a person whose love of country shines with such luminosity

But she will always have her followers and that is what makes America exceeptional.

My Sarah has hyperbolist thong twisted up around the dead zone. She will beat Barry like a red headed stepchild you pansy liberal twerp.

Steve,
You do realize that in your last post you really didn't answer OregonMuse.

And you could substitute "Obama" for "Palin" and be very close to the truth, right?

And Obama does "hate America" and "pal around with terrorists" based on Obama's own history! I. e., the truth.

Obama is very vindictive, usually the reflection of someone very egocentric. This is based his Obama's own actions since his election.

And you refer to Palin as this on what grounds?

Why is Palin even in the discussion on Tucson? Oh wait the left accused her being the root of all evil and causing it.

I think the grownups such as Hucklebee have had about about enough of her

Do you have any actual evidence for this, or is this more of your amazing psychic ability?

Some of the GOP officials in Tuscon are quitting now under teaparty intimidation and concern for their family safety.

Again, do you have any actual evidence, or did you hear about it from your dog?

Palin is very vindictive

So it's OK for the haters in the left-wing media to accuse Palin of being directly responsible for a mass murder spree, but for her to defend herself against the ugly smears, why, that's just "vindictive".

Nice double-standard you got going there, Stevie.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting. Rhetoric is only inflammatory if it comes from the right.

Sky Captain, basically two sources, Vanity Fair, based mainly on anonymous sources and another article by a freelance American journalist living in Canada. It is hard to link, with the lap top I'm using- I can make the effort if you really want? but I don't want to say i am obsessed with her. It is much my general deductions, based on experience, and reading about politicians, with similar personalities and ideologies.This trait is not uncommon. I think of Nixon.

Yes I know Obama has been free with his political rhetoric but then he was called a pansy or worse for not being tough enough. No one would accuse Sarah of that, even her detractors. Didn't this blood libel charge, it's so typical, really strike you as way over the top, or her reaction to Joe McGuiness renting next door. Hey Obama had his property next door vacant for over a year and half in Chicago-I was even thinking of trying to buy it well dream on for just over a million,

Most everyone that has worked for Sarah or with her and left her, that feels free to speak , has not a kind word to say about her. Me, me, me,, What more evidence do you need? Sarah is about Sarah..she is not alone in that respect, Edwards was the same. Obama is a slightly aloof, a little too proud perhaps, but he is not pushy and thrusting and careful about the words he chooses and is slow to anger...maybe too slow. They have entirely different personalties. Is it narcisstic like Edwards, or Bill Clinton, or Jack kennedy no not really. Does it feel he can get way with anything I think not. the usual trait of a clinical narcissist

Hey I like Sarah for being fun and spontaneous. But today I think she didn;t set the right tone-it was inconsistent- it was forced and she seemed if she was really wound up, she evinced a lot of hostility, was ready to lash out in fact she did, didn't you see in that way? How many different people as she called a terrorist and soon as someone says some of her words are inflamatory, she goes immediately for the jugular once again that's blood libel. Don't you see the contradition And if you have known people like that surely you know once you get on the bad side of them even if they were your friends .hell hath no fury..

Steve

"I don't understand wizbang's fascination with the narcisstic, Palin whose signature is what I would call her irreponsible violent rhetoric"

What happened to "if they bring a knife we bring a gun", "get in their faces", "the enemy".

BTW Wish I could have gone to the memorial tonight. I mean the Obama team was handing out Together we Thrive T SHirts for attendees.
Nothing like not politicizing this.

Oh and Steve.

Speaking of Nacissism. Obama was slated to speak for 16 min. 35+ minutes in I checked and he was still going.

I have to look up narcissism syndrome again. I don't know why you keep characterising him that way..he has other more glaring faults, the polite expression is economical or with Obama long-winded with the truth, is one that comes quickly to mind.

Steve

". No one would accuse Sarah of that, even her detractors"

No not that. Just everything else from covering up an incestuous relationship between her husband and daughter to burning books.

Most everyone that has worked for Sarah or with her and left her, that feels free to speak , has not a kind word to say about her. Me, me, me,, What more evidence do you need?

And you know for certain that these former workers, of course, are not disgruntled employees with axes to grind, right? Or is this another instance of your amazing psychic powers?

Oh, and I like that sly little innuendo you slipped in there about those that don't "feel free to speak". So in other words, if they're not talking, they obviously are afraid to. It just couldn't possibly be that they're more or less satisfied and so don't feel the need to say bad things about her, as you would like, right?

Your dishonest hackery is really getting tiresome, Stevie.

"..after repeating often that the president .. "pals around with terrorists"...

Obama did pal around with the terrorist Bill Ayers.
And worked with him at the Leftist Annenberg Foundation.
Which supplied the money for the Bill Ayers-inspired school that the killer Laughner attended.

Huh. Obama has more of a connection to the killer than Sarah does.

I'm going to take a leaf from the president's speech and set a new tone.,for at least one night. Most of the speculation on more serious stuff will come out in the primaries. She was rather unfortunte to get stuck with 'the swing states' map..that was probably some flunkey's decision from an outsourcing company. Sarah is the type of woman I have been attracted to and got mixed with in the past charismatic spontaneous, outgoing but she is continually going to put her foot in it and cause no end of problems. All her advisors are very very conservative. She is not for the faint-hearted, Good luck to you! Anything may be possible, if obama can survive Wright and Ayres (who is old reconstructed terrorist-not so relevant and not really close to Obama) things move on. Look at Brazil there new president was a violent marxist, a real terrorist, part of active kidnapping cell, then caught, imprisoned and tortured for months by the miltary and she is now President. Elridge Cleaver has been selling life insurance for years and is very conservative and fits the part as does Jerry Rubin. Strange what money does for people.

Oh, and another reason I know Crickmore is completely full of shit is that I actually am acquainted with someone who used to be one of Sarah Palin's advisors back when she was governor of Alaska, (who moved on to another job before she became a national figure that the left-wing media set out to destroy), and I'm sure you'll all be surprised to find out that Crickmore has absolutely no freaking clue what he's talking about when it comes to who Palin is or what she's about, and that pretty much everything he has said about her on this forum is a product of his own imagination.

As a conservative I have to agree with Oregonmuse. The left has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to Palin and her family. Their motivation right up front is hate so they are deluded.

McGuinnes sat on the balcony of the house he rented that overlooked Palin's property. He just stared at the family giving the young girls the creeps. But to the left, that is fine. What perverts. ww

Levi Johnston, Palin's ex future son-in law
said in a signed court document said that she "has a reputation for being extremely vindictive". Obviously, no one would put much stock in what he says? But still?

Levi? You're quoting Levi Johnston Steve?

Great. Another commenter to skip over.

Levi Johnston, Palin's ex future son-in law said in a signed court document said that she "has a reputation for being extremely vindictive".

Dude, a kid with a grudge against the Palins was stating an unverifiable, subjective OPINION, which is not subject to libel or perjury rules. The fact that it was in a "signed court document" gives it no added weight whatsover.

Good heavens, what a pathetic argument. You must be really desperate.

The left has no idea what they are talking about when it comes to Palin and her family

Can I help if that is the company and 'family' (he was practically family-maybe still is) they keep? How about the e- brother-in-aw from Troopergate. Another ex..It seems to run in the family? This is all so dispiriting, if she isn't vindictive from her background and soap opera circumstances I will eat my hat.