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Eric Fuller Condemns "Hate" With Hate

Once again, Jay beat me to it.

Eric Fuller, one of the victims of the Arizona shootings, was arrested for threats against an audience member during a special taping for ABC. (Read Jay's piece here for the specifics.)

I disagree with Jay on a couple of points.

Fuller may be "lively and energetic" so soon after the shooting, and that usually would be commendable, but, instead of using this good health to threaten someone else, maybe he could show a shred of sympathy and concern for the other victims and their families.  Wasting that energy threatening someone you don't agree with, yelling "You're all whores!" at a bunch of people at a townhall is just disturbing.

Another is the idea that since he was a victim of such a terrible act, he's afforded a bit of leeway at first for his "one free bite at the apple."

This may be reasonable, but, this was not his first tirade since the shooting.

Friday, a day before the ABC taping, Mr. Fuller went on the far-left radical station "Democracy Now," giving an account of what happened through his eyes.  Here, he is explaining what he was thinking the day of the shootings while at the hospital:

(Note:  I tried to embed the video from both Democracy Now! and YouTube, but it won't let me.  Here is the link to the video.  Kevin or Jay:  If you would, feel free to imbed either one.)

"And I didn't know how to calm myself down, so I wrote down the Declaration of Independence, which I memorized some time ago. And that did help to organize my thoughts. And the first thing that I wrote down and what my reaction was to it was: "How many other people? How many other demented people are out there? It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target. Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled--senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even nine-year-old girls."

Un-friggin-believable.

These were his first organized thoughts? Calling people he doesn't know demented, blaming them for his attacker's actions?

Hasn't this guy ever heard of "priorities?"

You'd think he'd be thanking God (or his "lucky stars," or whatever) that he wasn't killed. I'd be thinking of my family, and how closely I came to never seeing them again. Or I'd at least be thinking about my health.

Not once in his interview did he offer any concern for the other victims.

Did this guy, or any of the victims (some who are alot worse off the he) deserve to get shot?  Of course not.  Regardless of his political leanings or any other aspect of his life, I have sympathy for him.  Nothing can justify what happened.

But being a victim does not make you beyond reproach, and if you put yourself out there and offer up such inflammatory opinion, well, all pretense goes out the window, so expect it to be talked about and disagreed with.

According to Tucson radio station KGUN (Yes, KGUN), Fuller is a self described "political circulator":

Fuller, age 63, is a political operative who specializes in gathering petitions for ballot initiatives. Before the program began, he passed out business cards to people sitting around him that read:

"Signatures
"Expediting Initiatives since 2006
"J. Eric Fuller
"Political Circulator.

Passing out "business cards" to people gathered for the purpose of discussing a tragedy?

Wow.

It is obvious this guy is a hyper-partisan leftist.

Mr. Fuller may be a victim, but it doesn't make his own words or actions since any less hateful or bizarre then they are.

I hope he gets help for the obvious mental health issues he has, whether born of this tragedy or not.

He's been given a second chance at life.  Starting it off with his own brand of hate-filled rhetoric is pretty sad.

Try to retain some dignity.


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Comments (28)

The congresswomen voting r... (Below threshold)
hcddbz:

The congresswomen voting record was only 40% with the Dems, she voted against Pelosi for minority leader and is 2nd amendment.

So fuller might have to include her.
Which means he is just using tragedy for personal gain.

Have you noticed that a lot... (Below threshold)
Eric:

Have you noticed that a lot of people on the Left have now decided to paint the entire Right as advocating the term "2nd Amendment Solutions"?

Hello people, this was a single phrase by a single candidate that lost. That doesn't make it the new motto of the Right.

It was a stupid and inappropriate thing to say on her part. It also doesn't mean that it can and should be used to represent the views of everyone on the Right.

Fuller is a leftard Kook on... (Below threshold)
TexBob:

Fuller is a leftard Kook on the "Non Physical" disability dole. It must be his liberalism since it is a mental disorder.

Typical leech loser spouting social justice garbage and was grazed by another kook with a "Non Physical" disability.

I hope he gets the help he needs behind bars.

"I hope he gets help for th... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I hope he gets help for the obvious mental health issues he has...."

No, he's a fucking asshole and should spend some time in the slammer. In reality, he'll "get a pass" and become a "professional victim".

Follow the money.

Wow... another good job by... (Below threshold)
clearmind:

Wow... another good job by the locals to notice someone who is displaying some imbalance. Clearly a candidate for a front-row seat.

I guess we can presume that ABC promoted this as an event for mixing with those promoting a political agenda. For anyone to be promoting themselves as a political advocate should have seemed strange, given the circumstances. But no one ever gave ABC much credit for instinct and we can be certain that Amanpour probably took one of his cards so she could have a contact to help her measure the political climate in Tucson.

By his own admission, he al... (Below threshold)

By his own admission, he also left the scene and drove himself to the hospital because he didn't have any medical training to help the other injured.

See this article at azcentral.com from the Arizona Republic.

Yet the violence... (Below threshold)
irongrampa:

Yet the violence and rhetoric is exclusively the province of the right.

Isn't that just something.

And doesn't it just fit the Narrative.

Wonder what it would be like if we actually had a media who exemplified the definition of journalism?

It should not be all that s... (Below threshold)
epador:

It should not be all that surprising that even at a small gathering like the one at the Safeway that more than one deranged person was present, and it is sadly typical that neither the deranged perpetrator nor the deranged victim weren't fatally wounded. I suspect any readers with law enforcement, court or ER experience can vouch that the deranged victims can be quite a handful and can become as dangerous as the original assailant.

From the cynic's POV, why d... (Below threshold)
L. Frank Baum:

From the cynic's POV, why do I think we might be seeing a follow up story about Mr. Fuller's victimhood caused by self inflicted injuries soon?

Kept his head enough to drive himself to the hospital while the others around him were losing theirs...

This Fuller cat is no Kipling

Crickets...That's ... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Crickets...

That's the sound of the MSM decrying the far left assault on the TEA Party that is now resulting in arrests of their followers for violent threats and actions.

Another rotten Acorn has fa... (Below threshold)
914:

Another rotten Acorn has fallen from the tree.

Speaking as a personal frie... (Below threshold)
John from Tucson:

Speaking as a personal friend of Mr. Fullers I would ask that everyone show some respect. Granted Eric has some very defined views however no one should be made a villain for his views. I will say Eric could have handled things differently but let us not forget he is one of the victims. Those of you who advocate the right to bear arms are asking us who disagree to accept your point of view. Well how about those of us do not believe everyone should have a firearm. Why are we made out to be crazy? And while it is obvious that Palin's website was not the cause of this incident. It certainly wouldn't hurt to tone things down a bit. No matter what side of the issues you are on, I think we can all agree that innocent American citizens do not need to die !
We are all part of the same planet so it would be better to come to a middle ground than throw digs at each other. I certainly recognize your right to bear arms. However, I would be more comfortable if less people had guns. I also recognize that my opinion is my own, as is yours. I will offer this. The right to bear arms was written in a time when this was a very different world. Since our current world is vastly different, perhaps we should revisit the issue so that both you and I can exist in a community that belongs to us both.
I certainly appreciate all of the comments, and I do agree that Eric has handled himself poorly. Additionally I am not an anti-gun person. I personally do not have an interest in guns but I do believe that if you indeed choose to have guns as a part of your life than more power to you.
That being said, I offer you this. Just this morning I went to the local Circle K to get some coffee, and lo and behold, two middle aged men came in to shop. Both men were armed. Why do we need to be packing heat to go get a cup of coffee? And why as a patron of the Circle K am I not entitled to shop without the worry or random customers (who are strangers in my eyes, who is to say they may not snap) carrying firearms. Why did these individuals feel the need to be armed at a Circle K. Was there a threat of some kind?

I am not a political radical, or a left wing extremist, I am just an average citizen who does not understand the need for everyday citizens to carry guns, just because they have a right to.

And also, I have done my best to be respectful in my posts and I ask that you do the same. We are all entitled to our opinion.

Why do you feel it necessar... (Below threshold)
Jose:

Why do you feel it necessary to say you are "not a political radical, or a left wing extremist?"

You sure sound like one.

"I am just an average citiz... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I am just an average citizen who does not understand the need for everyday citizens to carry guns, just because they have a right to."

So you oppose everything "you don't understand"?

"Granted Eric has some very defined views however no one should be made a villain for his views."

Fuller became a "villian" the moment he yelled "Your dead!" I'm not aware that he was arrested for his "views".

"Well how about those of us do not believe everyone should have a firearm. Why are we made out to be crazy?"

Could you point to someone who says you are? A link would help. I think the problem arises when people like you impose your view on everyone else. YOU DON'T BELIEVE - therefore NO ONE should have.

"And why as a patron of the Circle K am I not entitled to shop without the worry or random customers (who are strangers in my eyes, who is to say they may not snap) carrying firearms."

Complain to the Circle K - YOUR Arizona law states that businesses can declare themselves "gun free".

Speaking as a personal f... (Below threshold)
Evil Otto:

Speaking as a personal friend of Mr. Fullers I would ask that everyone show some respect.

Don't ask us.

Ask him.

John,You seem like... (Below threshold)
Shawn :

John,

You seem like a decent enough person, but, you are... confused. (Or at least confusing.)

Respect begets respect.

You say your friend could have handled this differently. In what way? You have already justified his remarks as a by-product of victim-hood.

As his friend, one who feels close enough to him personally to openly defend him, you say he has "very defined views." This implies you've been witness to those views, and probably had conversations with him regarding those views.

Are you going to tell us that, up until this shooting, he has never voiced his opinions about people like Beck, Palin, Angle and Boehner with anything but disdain? He called them "mainstream rebels with vengeance for all." Victim or not, you don't believe it was wrong for him to think, let alone say, slanderous things like that?

Go watch the Democracy Now! video. NOWHERE was "gun control" even mentioned as a topic, by him or anyone else. When it was mentioned at the ABC event, he blew his top.

Do not try and pawn that off as some initial reaction of being a victim.

Quoting you:

"Well how about those of us do not believe everyone should have a firearm. Why are we made out to be crazy? And while it is obvious that Palin's website was not the cause of this incident. It certainly wouldn't hurt to tone things down a bit. No matter what side of the issues you are on, I think we can all agree that innocent American citizens do not need to die !"

If you could hear a dog chasing its tail, it would sound like your above quote.

Firstly, none of what you said has anything to do with what happened. Who is claiming you are "crazy" about your views on firearms (which you flip-flop on later in your post.). While you say Palin has no culpability in this incident, you imply if websites like her's "tone things down a bit," people would "need not die." Pretty convoluted logic, my friend.

I am tired of the notion that "times have changed," so the right to bear arms is outdated. The Second Amendment states that "the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Nowhere does it state that right can not have regulations imposed upon it. We have numerous laws regulating gun ownership and how they can be used. Don't make it sound as if we're a nation of rootin' tootin' yahoos that doesn't give a lick about who can own a gun, or how it can be used. That is fallacious.

As per your "Circle K" scenario, would you have been more comfortable if they were wielding axes? Guns are dangerous in the hands of criminals, as can be any weapon. You say you are not "anti-gun," but, it seems you'd feel better if use and ownership of them were more reflective of your terms.

I own a gun. I've never had to use it, but, if someone were to enter my home, threaten my family, or steal my property, their head would look like the tip of a glowing cigarette when they got carted out on a gurney.

The fact is, you live in a country where owning a gun is legal. NOT unregulated, but legal. There is a distinction.

As per what occurred to your friend Mr. Fuller, victim or not, his reaction is twisted, demented, and wrong. And it is not just due to what happened.

-Shawn

So can we now start blaming... (Below threshold)

So can we now start blaming the left's hateful rhetoric for Fuller's words and actions? I mean, that would only be fair, wouldn't it?

Of course, I'm kidding. Fuller is responsible for Fuller's words and actions. While it would be completely fair to start making the same accusations against the left that they've been making against us for over a week now, conservatives aren't interested in "fair" (which could also be rendered "an eye for an eye"). We will do what is right and not act towards the infantile left the way they been acting towards us.

When I refer to "crazy" I r... (Below threshold)
John from Tucson:

When I refer to "crazy" I refer to some of the postings on many many blogs. I offer my opinion as one viewpoint. In fact many of my other friends have indeed shared their position and I do respect that. I absolutly oppose the notion that the right is responsible at all. Eric was very passionate about his views long before this incident and that is the reason that this has hit so close to home for him. As his friend I did try to spend time with him and encouraged him to collect his thoughts before he spoke. I am feeling very guilty about not doing more to ground him but that is another topic. All I am trying to say is lets have an open discussion so that we can all live together and those of you who cherish your right to have guns can indeed do so, and those of us who do not want guns as part of our everyday lives can co-exist with you. Additionally I am not personally convinced that gun control is that answer, we also need to look at how we can help those who are having mental issues to get help before a tragedy happens. I know a lot of this was not mentioned in the media coverage, but those of us who are actually connected to the events are aware that Eric was very dedicated to these issues, and being a victim brought all of this dangerously close to home for Eric. Let us not forget that there is also some words in the constitution regarding freedom of speech. I don't recall hearing any stories of people being killed by words, but I have heard stories of people being killed by guns.

"I am feeling very guilty"<... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"I am feeling very guilty"

Why? Did he makes threats to do something to someone and you did nothing? You can point out someones fallacious thinking by saying "You're wrong, and here's why." - you can't MAKE them change their minds.

"I don't recall hearing any stories of people being killed by words, but I have heard stories of people being killed by guns."

Cutesy argument. Which came first, the OVENS or Hitler's WORDS?

Fuller should get his own o... (Below threshold)
Roy:

Fuller should get his own op-ed piece in the NY Times. He's on the same page as the rest.

No he did not make threats ... (Below threshold)
John from Tucson:

No he did not make threats to anyone prior to his outburst (that I know of) but those of us who know him could see that he was acting differently than usual. Those of us who new how dedicated he was to his political views were concerned that he may be overwhelmed by the events.

As for the Hilter reference, I concede. You are indeed correct. If anything should come out of all of this , the fact that everyone is having a discussion at all is a positive move forward towards avoiding future incidents that contribute to the disruption of people's lives

RE: "I am just an average c... (Below threshold)
kevino:

RE: "I am just an average citizen who does not understand the need for everyday citizens to carry guns, just because they have a right to."

That argument is over. For decades, we had a system of law in this country where good citizens were allowed to keep guns in their homes but were not allowed to carry them on the street. The result was that the streets became places where bad people could commit acts of violence against others, and good people didn't have the tools to fight back. The law created a society in which criminals and agents of the government routinely went about armed, but everyday citizens could not. This created a target-rich environment for criminals.

Well, we tried that approach, and it just didn't work. It's time to try something different, and it is working. Time and again, citizens carrying firearms have been able to stop crimes, and as the carrying of firearms becomes more common, and affect on stopping violence will improve even more.

It is a good thing for everyday citizens to carry guns because it is a deterrent to crime.

From Jeffry Snyder's timely essay, "A Nation of Cowards" [available on the web and well worth reading]:

The police, however, are not personal bodyguards. Rather, they act as a general deterrent to crime, both by their presence and by apprehending criminals after the fact. ... Insofar as the police deter by their presence, they are very, very good. Criminals take great pains not to commit a crime in front of them. Unfortunately, the corollary is that you can pretty much bet your life (and you are) that they won't be there at the moment you actually need them.

I hope that you never find yourself in a situation where you are a witness to a violent offender committing a crime. If you do, it will probably be a very long time before the police arrive. During that time, you're on your own. In that moment, you may discover the "need for everyday citizens to carry guns".

John -Those of ... (Below threshold)
JLawson:

John -

Those of you who advocate the right to bear arms are asking us who disagree to accept your point of view. Well how about those of us do not believe everyone should have a firearm. Why are we made out to be crazy?

You're perfectly free to believe what you wish. But you don't get to impose your standards on others. Remember Prohibition? Some well-meaning people banned booze in the US by amending the Bill of Rights. They meant well - but the law of unintended consequences took a hell of a bite out of the people in the US and allowed organized crime to flourish.

And just ask yourself - if the law-abiding give up guns, do you seriously believe the criminals will? (You might also take a look at what's happened to the violent crime levels in the UK and Australia with their gun bans. And much as you might want to dream about a world free of firearms, it ain't ever going to happen.)

I think that by getting sho... (Below threshold)

I think that by getting shot he got exactly what he wanted in life. He now has an all access ticket to fame and fortune. Because we reify the victim in this society, this clown will get to ride that victim mentality for the rest of his life.

His only mistake was to act like a lunatic immediately after another lunatic murdered a bunch of people. They were only worried that he was a killer lunatic. Once they determine that he's sane (as sane as lefties get) he'll be doing the talk show/news show circut. Brady Campaign will have him as a board member. His fame is assured.

"Those of us who new how de... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Those of us who new how dedicated he was to his political views were concerned that he may be overwhelmed by the events."

"Overwhelmed". Sorry, there is a point where you cross the line. He crossed it. I'm not interested in the motivation. He's going to have to pay a price. Quite frankly, as mentioned by others, I'm sure he'll be feted and hailed a hero by the left. You know, those same people who "deplore heated rhetoric".

And John, not just the "You... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

And John, not just the "You're Dead!" comment; I mean stuff like this, as on the "Democracy Now!" radio show Friday:

"It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target. Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled—senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even nine-year-old girls."

Or is that just more of that "nuanced" Democratic 'measured and fact filled political discourse'?

Let's cut to the chase here... (Below threshold)
Olsoljer:

Let's cut to the chase here, fuck Eric Fuller - he appears to be another whacko set to go off.

National Review's The corne... (Below threshold)
Mitchell:

National Review's The corner--online--has some info that fuller has changed his name, and is a convicted sex offender. Wd make sense given the man,s unstable nature, and obsession with Dem. Politics.




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