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Embracing My Inner Nazi

OK, so Representative Steve Cohen wants to compare those who oppose ObamaCare to a great propagandist. He didn't meant to call him a Nazi, so I guess we can think of Joseph Goebbels as a David Axelrod who happened to fall in with a bad crowd.

OK, that's redundant. Axelrod's kind of in a bad crowd now. Hell, he qualifies as a "bad crowd" by himself.

Anyway, Cohen is sorry he said it. Not because he realizes he went too far with his "hate speech" and "violent rhetoric," but because a lot of people decided to talk about how he'd called his opponents Nazis instead of the actual substance of his criticism, which was... well... um... oh, yeah: they were lying like Nazis.

Screw this. I'm tired of being called a follower of the National Socialist Workers Party agenda by people far closer to Socialist and self-styled champions of the Workers than I am. So I'm going to unleash my inner Nazi on ObamaCare.

I want to take the monstrosity that is ObamaCare, stuff it in a Volkswagen (or, perhaps, a Mazda), drive it down the interstate freeway to the airport, fly it via jet (perhaps even a stealth bomber) to a Navy base, put it on a submarine, run it out to sea, then stuff it in a missile and launch it into space. The whole thing would be televised live. And I'd include an audio tape warning anyone who found it of just how dangerous it was -- worse than even tobacco.

You know, Representative Cohen is right. Just because you relate someone or something to Nazis, you're not necessarily imparting the full Nazi ideology to them. And it wasn't like Goebbels, Cohen's example, was an especially devout Nazi and Jew-hater and utterly loathsome human being and...

...OK, Cohen's an asshole. And even if any Republicans agree to the "mixed seating" scheme for the State of the Union, Cohen should be utterly shunned.

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Comments (17)

Every Fox News viewe... (Below threshold)
gnossoss papadopoulis:


Every Fox News viewer in the country knows that the DEATH PANEL meme was a fact, not propaganda.

Go Poo:For the int... (Below threshold)
epador:

Go Poo:

For the intellectually limited, just because the committees and powers created in the ACA are blatantly labelled, does not mean they do not have the power to make life and death decisions over the health care of individuals and groups. They do. And they will, as they already do in single-payer systems in countries who these systems were modeled after.

Ya know, I meant to type "a... (Below threshold)
epador:

Ya know, I meant to type "aren't" above, but thinking about it, the labels used are rather blatant in their own way.

Excuse us: End of life coun... (Below threshold)
WildWillie:

Excuse us: End of life counceling when the costs wasted on an older person is wasteful.

The left has made the word nazi and weak as racist. Even the ADL told Cohen he is trivialing the word. The word Nazi leads more to the holocaust then the government itself. ww

"Cohen's an asshole."... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

"Cohen's an asshole."

Short, sweet, succinct.

Grayson's gone. Nature abhors a vacuum. Cohen has evidently volunteered to fill it. Cohen isn't "sorry - sorry", he's 'sorry he got called out.'

Speaking of which, pundits are asking why Barry doesn't call these people out on the left, by name, when they ignore him about heated rhetoric. After all, Barry had no problem calling out the Supreme Court in the last SOTU.

"Nature abhors a vacuum."</... (Below threshold)
jim m:

"Nature abhors a vacuum."

The please explain the cranial space of (fill in dem congressman name here).

jim - it's not "empty-empty... (Below threshold)
GarandFan:

jim - it's not "empty-empty". It's filled with flights of fancy like rainbow colored, free, non-polluting, energy producing unicorns along with a large helping of hypocrisy.

Who needs Nazis -we're kill... (Below threshold)
Don L:

Who needs Nazis -we're killing the innocent by the million, we've scapegoated conservative and attacked God at every chance, we've got our own Berlin crowd in Chicago, and cheer like crazy for the messiah with the teleprompters, our swastika is a rainbow symbol, our uniforms, purple T-shirt or the regular army "Thrive" model. Like Germany, we seek to expand our borders (into Mexico)

Ok. I get it. It's filled... (Below threshold)
jim m:

Ok. I get it. It's filled with BS. ;)

They do. And they will, as ... (Below threshold)
Don L:

They do. And they will, as they already do in single-payer systems in countries who these systems were modeled after.

Like socialist Holland epador? Where one of eleven is involuntarily murdered by government paid doctors? Intellectual limited indeed! Trusting people who aggressively seek to kill innocent life is what rational people might describe as evidence of being intellectually limited.

Screw this. I'm tired of be... (Below threshold)
warchild:

Screw this. I'm tired of being called a follower of the National Socialist Workers Party agenda by people far closer to Socialist and self-styled champions of the Workers than I am. So I'm going to unleash my inner Nazi on ObamaCare.
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Uhh, This will probably get me nowhere, but just a point of fact: what you call yourself is not what you are. Meaning the Nazis were certainly not socialists, certainly not in any way regarding workers' rights. And yes I know it's it in their name. Guess what? The Democratic people's Republic of Korea (otherwise known as N. Korea) is neither Democratic nor much of a "People's Republic."

The Nazis were pro Corporate statists, and uber nationalist, who felt that parasites (the jews) were the reason Germany had fallen on hard times. As far as workers they abolished labor unions and hung labor union leaders from any nearby trees they could find.

You're absolutely right, wa... (Below threshold)

You're absolutely right, warchild:

It will get you nowhere.

OK, that was easy. Too easy. Couldn't resist.

I've often argued that the Nazis weren't really left-wing or right-wing, but took the worst elements of both. That line was a kick back at those who insist that the Nazis were right-wingers. So, yeah, it wasn't exactly fair and balanced, but I wasn't really that interested in being so on that point at that time.

J.

Far too many people use the... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Far too many people use the word 'Nazi' as a rhetorical bomb against their political opponents. It's the big bogeyman word, and folks use it all the time when they want to denigrate someone. Cohen is the latest fool to do so. People cried "Nazi!" with Bush, as with Obama. Not the first time, and more than likely not the last.

The Nazis were the Nazis, and there is good reason not to dilute or warp what that means.

"I'm tired of being called a follower of the National Socialist Workers Party agenda by people far closer to Socialist and self-styled champions of the Workers than I am."

For what it's worth, equating the Nazis with socialism per se is a bit slippery, since they used the term in very different (and often contradictory ways) in the 1920s and 1930s. Hitler, who was a big fan of Italian fascism, moved away from the term, and even expressed regret for ever having used it. This is because Marxists and communists were some of his main political enemies. But then there WERE people under Hitler who still used the term and talked about being a worker's party, etc.

In short, the Nazis used the word "socialism" in pretty contradictory and inconsistent ways over time, thus providing the political right and left of TODAY plenty of opportunities to use the term against their opponents.

Jay Tea:"I've ofte... (Below threshold)
ryan a:

Jay Tea:

"I've often argued that the Nazis weren't really left-wing or right-wing, but took the worst elements of both."

That's a good way of putting it.

Careful, ryan... you're get... (Below threshold)

Careful, ryan... you're getting reasonable.

Bad things happen to reasonable liberals around these parts...

J.

You're absolutely right, wa... (Below threshold)
warchild:

You're absolutely right, warchild:

It will get you nowhere.

OK, that was easy. Too easy. Couldn't resist.

I've often argued that the Nazis weren't really left-wing or right-wing, but took the worst elements of both. That line was a kick back at those who insist that the Nazis were right-wingers. So, yeah, it wasn't exactly fair and balanced, but I wasn't really that interested in being so on that point at that time.
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I know the feeling. I also agree with you on this. The Nazis, if I remember correctly, thought of their way as a third way.

This might be a point of disagreement though (it also might makes us both feel better to be back to normal) but I would argue that countries that have considered themselves communist such as, the Soviet Union and N Korea, also have taken the worst of the right and left ideology or the most extreme versions of it. That is to say they are not societies in which the workers control the means of production, but have instead embraced uber nationalism and militarism in addition to a complete destruction of the free market..

Basically, I'd call it a right wingers pro military nationalism on steroids, mixed with a left wingers want of social programs and regulated markets also on steroids.

I think if we are being fair, we'd have to just say that the left wants a model like Sweden in this country and the right wants, something a little more like a revised new deal USA, where things are handled more in the private sector. Not too different really to an outsider, both mixed economies with a slightly different version of the mix.

Still, Catholics and Lutherans once killed each over, what to an outsider probably seemed like rather trivial differences, so I'm guessing we will see plenty more hyporbole in our lifetimes. Might even engage in ourselves once in a while, when are amped up. best.

DonL, somehow I can't tell ... (Below threshold)
epador:

DonL, somehow I can't tell if you thought you were agreeing with me or telling me off.

At any rate, the Nazi's were one of many movements that practiced naming things what they were not, just as the ACA and other socialist tripe the American Left foists upon us has effects opposite the name might imply.




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